What? Women have more rights in the western world that anywhere else on the fucking planet. Over here and in some parts of the U.S, women are superior to men. Are you a cuck, or did you just say that to goad her along?
>>61004281 I'm the OP posting on laptop now but if you have ever had any experience of talking with people in real life you will realise that in order to convince someone you need to establish common ground and then try to convince them over to your side gradually. The discussion wasn't about how women are treated in western democracies but if I hadn't added that caveat she's change the subject completely to all the injustices women face in westernised countries and that would be the end of the previous argument.
If you go in all guns blazing you'll put them off straight away and they won't listen
these retards would still proclaim that islam dindu nuffin even after they were raped, sodomized, and beheaded. i bet in the afterlife they tell their ghost friends that they should have been more tolerant
Good job op. When talking to people of opposing viewpoints rather than "hurr durr dumb sjw get raped" you engaged in a polite discussion very subtle like. It's sad this isn't standard procedure for /pol users, it would be very beneficial to our cause.
One where women are literally sold off on auctions to sex-slavery and treated as nothing more than property. These levels of cognitive dissonance are astounding.
Do you guys think this was their master plan? >spend decades bitching at men about patriarchy in the west >despite having equal, if not more rights than men >despite having mandatory vagina quotas in workplaces, regardless of competence >despite men seeing them as equals and taking the easy way by not arguing >people start catching on to their bullshit >import actual rape culture into the west >just so they can keep bitching
>>61003984 Tumblr feminists have very strange ideas about rapists. They seem to think of rapists as fratboys who are only doing it so that their buddies will high five them when they brag about it, and if we teach their friends not to high five them, they won't rape anymore. That's why they say things like "teach men not to rape".
It really says more about their own personal motivations than anything else.
I get what you're saying and that obviously applies to people who are 'transracial' or whatever new identity politics bullshit is the flavour of the month but her views aren't those of some fringe minority. This is the actual stance of Swedish and German governments so I don't think refusing to engage in these discussions will make these views just go away
>>61005970 Yeah I know, seen plenty trying to swing the issue around and saying its a gender issue, not a racial/cultural one, or saying that they're tired of "racists bringing this up so they can rant about brown people".
Even though they themselves literally only care when a white person does it.
>>61006440 Bit of a straw man there. You think my saying we ought to engage with these viewpoints in discussion implies I think my discussing them (not to convert, because I enjoy debate and am curious about views I completely disagree with) is causing meaningful change? Obviously not. I'm just rejecting the view that we should ignore these kinds of views.
Just out of interest, what sort of stuff do you consider meaningful?
>>61003837 >I know ours isn't perfect This is exactly what NOT to say.
>Ours is the safest and most equitable which has ever existed in human history, but it's being undermined by foreigners with no conception of, let alone respect for, the values which made our society possible. This is how you need to talk to a leftist.
Make no apologies. Offer no concessions. Take the fight to them. Challenge them to contradict you, and watch them fail. Some of you have no idea how to argue with a leftist; you have to explicitly reject their discussion framework, because if you don't reject their framework, they will win every time.
>>61003837 >assimilation is as easy as a 7 week workshop
These people are delusional.
A ethically visible, 10,000 year old Relgious culture, being let in with vast numbers, who are generationally condemned to their own social,ethnic and economic class/grouping(by choice or own decision) who have a convenient scapegoat(the white majority) to blame for say, when the economy crashes and the welfare check in the mail is less, to blame?
All this on top of a submissive culture who refuses to even acknowledge their own moral superiority and embraces subjectivity, while the people they help are dam proud about the 400 years of slaughter they wrought against Europe before any kind of retaliation? Of which the former feels bad about stopping?
One time I went about the same way with an actual sexuality studies grad student whose life revolves around bitching and moaning what "we" should do about people who follow Islam too literally (and I threw in Christianiry to soften it) and if they're worth educating
He said it's not his job to change people if they've been raised that way, something something white people
Then I asked who he was planning on teaching if not the "other side", like kids, and he said no it'd be college students since he's interested in research
OP stop apologising for your opinions. she sees you as a beta and wont respect you. its a shit test. tell her what the problem is, why shes wrong and make her FEEL like its HER fault women are being raped
>>61006867 He does have sort of a point that more of you should be out organizing massive protests to this.
Regardless I do agree with your viewpoint. Trying to convince more people is a good strategy - you just need to do it subtly and not sperg out, but also not do stuff like apologizing or partially conceding to them. Show statistics and actual stories from these types of countries, be somewhat forceful but don't go full "we should just kill all of them" mode until you know they'd 100% agree.
>>61003957 Point out to her that Islamic conservatism is like fascism with brown skin.
>Imagine we are still at war with Nazi Germany. The cities are devastated and thousands or millions are displaced. The population still supports Nazi/fascist ideals (on ethnic groups, role of women, homosexuals, etc.), but is fleeing their war-torn country and some intend to settle in your country. >Do you accept these refugees and do you think it's okay because it's just their culture?
Invoking godwin's law is not always the best but it makes some issues very clear.
We are on the same page. I suggested this girl might be susceptible to a subtle dose of political reality, but going full MUH REDPILL would be a poor move with predicable if unintended consequences. I was also trying to imply that OP was doing a pretty good job of getting the tone right.
So can you remind me why you even felt the need to start this little disagreement about absolutely nothing again?
>>61008043 >but going full MUH REDPILL would be a poor move with predicable if unintended consequences. I disagree with this statement and am arguing that holding back only hurts people in the long run.
>>61009723 I wish I knew earlier or else I'd be collecting benefits from it and become a full time sperg living outta my moms basement. >>61009737 I already gave up before then so I figured I'd at least try to have fun with it.
>>61006867 I wasn't talking to you, faggot. It's one thing to shitpost on Tinder. It's another thing to think you're making a difference by shitposting on Tinder like the person I replied to implied. So no strawman there, just you being an ignorant retard and eager to get in another argument.
Meaningful things are directing informative videos (with open boarders), aiming for positions of power, organizing rallies, and even volunteering for Trump.
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