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Redpill me on Freemasons /pol/

It seems to have made significant gain for America, but is kept very secret.

Is freemasonry compatible with Christianity?
Are masons linked to a new world order, national treasure style?
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The plaque next to Sam
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>>60998029
Freemasons should be locked away in prison.
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>>60998029

Anything below the eight degree is shit tier. Literally just businessmen having dinners like any other social club.

Anything above eight degree is crazy as shit.
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>>60998526
Why, Belgium?
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>>60998029
You ask if freemasonry is compatible with Christianity, but I'm wondering if it actually replaces religion.
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how the fuck are you retards still unaware of basic shit like freemasonry and there obvious connection to the globalist conspiracy. you fucking idiots are pc as fuck.
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>>60998543
How so?
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>>60998029
Freemasons, to my knowledge, are a faithful bunch. I don't see them as opponents to Christianity at all. In fact, some of my family members are Masons and Christians.

I think there's a lot of mystery surrounding Freemasonry and people out of their ignorance conceive of conspiracy theories about them. As for myself, I think they are just a group of men who share interests and beliefs and unite to express ideas and find ways to implement their ideals into society.
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>>60999571
It takes Judaism and makes that the goal, while allowing for all sorts of abuses, to build the third temple.
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It's basically an old person frat. It's primarily a networking and social club, it's not shady at all. All their "rituals" are available online. They serve as a way to foster camaraderie among members, nothing more.

My dad is a freemason, I guarantee you Freemasons aren't pulling any strings if my dad is involved.
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retard satanic hicks that are tools of the jew
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>>60998029
Short answer is no long answer is also no.
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>>61000700

dude your dad is probably the guy who shot JFK, the dopey/mild mannered thing is all a cover
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>>61000700
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>>60998526
.....why, you fucking autist
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>>61000993
My father is redpilled as fuck. I don't think da Joos want him in their secret society.
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>>61000932
I've been hunting and shooting with him. He definitely didn't make that shot. From the book depository or the grassy knoll. Also he was 7 when JFK got shot.
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Catholic church needs to start infiltrating them again
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>>60998029

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dmdOHJMCbA

hitler names them with juden
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>>61000476
Family member is in the Free Masons. He says they can't even order lunch without arguing for an hour and a half, no fucking way they'd be able to run a country.

It's a networking/club thing that you get to be childishly secret about.
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>>61001666
quit trying to spread your misinformation satan
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>>60998029
Freemasons are a group of people that share similar interests. A group that one needs to actively seek out, and meet certain standards to join. Because its not what you know, but who you know in this world and these people have been a part of leading our country since its beginning, they help each other get elected or further in their careers by using their collective skills.

>but is kept very secret
its not really secret, their mark is everywhere they have been, theyre not trying to hide in the shadows and control by pulling strings

>Is freemasonry compatible with Christianity?
yes, like I said its just a group of people who share similar interests, that meet on a regular basis for dinners, parties and to share ideas. Its not a cult or a religion, in fact most masons are christians

Are masons linked to a new world order, national treasure style?
no, its literally just a place for the elite to meet meet people who think like they do. People who are part of it might team up to accomplish their own goals just like members of "anonymous" team up to hack some one, but its not like the group as a whole its trying to take over the world.
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>>60998029


No until 4-14th degree

That's somewhat a meme and yet it isn't


t. Actual mason
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>>60998029
Girlfriends uncle is a freemason, apparently invited me to join but GF told him I probably wouldn't be interested.
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>>61000476
The Grand Poobah of all Freemasons and all factions, from Islamic Shriner, Grand Orient, Scottish Rite and center stage since WW2 - Masonic Judaism is non other than the Black Pope and General of the Jesuits.

Most of the powering up of the greatest need to know cult ever invented happened during the Jesuits suppression from 1773 to 1814 when much was happenings. The most useful compartmentalized gang of unenlightened idiots ever assembled but its primary purpose is to groom potential players bound to extreme blood oaths, as a bonus the Black Pope can treat them as heretics if he sees fit, this also keeps the Catholic Church and Freemasons distanced to avoid massive cognitive dissonance in both tribes.
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I heard you have to be related or invited by a Freemason to become one

what if my great-grandpa was a freemason? Does it not count because he's dead
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>>61001666
>666
My Mother's side is Freemasonic and my Father's side was (not anymore) Odd Fellows. I am set if I join, but I learned early that these people do not fuck around, when it comes to secrecy and it scared the crap out of me, so I have yet to join. Converting to Judaism might be a better option. I am sure Freemasons would say the opposite and Jews visa-versa. Either way, the 3rd temple will be built.

Chabad (Ultra Orthodox Judaism) wields great power and believe we are living in the Messianic age. Once the Messiah comes, it is too late to convert, however if these are the Messianic times, as Chabad believes, we should all study Judaism, specifically any sects that involve the Kabbalah (Orthodox ones especially). I am thinking of converting guys. How great is their power?
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>>61002230
This is my great great... Uncle. Devil Anse Hatfield, on my Mother's side.

Go to any old cemetery and see the Masonic emblems and how beautiful their tombs are... they are truly magnificent men, who leave something behind.
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>>60998543
Seventh Degree, not Eighth.
That is the "hidden hand" thing if anyone cares at this point I am the only one bumping.
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>>60998029
>Is freemasonry compatible with Christianity?

No, but a Christian is free to be a freemason if he wants.
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>>61004739
Thread won't last long. New mod kills anything not directly related to an election.
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>>60998029
Yes op yes, look at any post saying=
Just a social mens group
Share interests
Have ideals
Fraternity
My dad, grandad, uncle, ......
Etc.
Then take anything else they say with a slice of bullshit or just reverse it.
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>>61004831
>New mod kills anything not directly related to an election.
I have only seen them actively kill multiple threads on the same topic, most recently three trap threads today.

>>61004831
>No, but a Christian is free to be a freemason if he wants.
Not if Catholic, but the Catholics most likely bar membership to become Freemasons, because they fear the inevitable backlash, once one joins and also the loss of hardcore control, akin to a Mafia Don (the Pope) being outdone.

The Masonic Protestants have been working with the Jews, since the Gutenberg press screwed up the Papal plans.

>berg
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>>61001850
>being this blue-pilled
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>>61001861
>t. Actual mason
Good meme. Also, what degree are you?
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>>61001881
>Girlfriends uncle is a freemason, apparently invited me to join but GF told him I probably wouldn't be interested.
Just like the Jews, they want it to be up to you and they want you to be emphatic. Passivity will get you nowhere, with the Freemasons.

Is she a Job's daughter, or Eastern Star? They legit may be testing you.
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>>61002005
>I heard you have to be related or invited by a Freemason to become one
Nope, just Chuck Testa
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>>61001934
>Jesuits suppression from 1773 to 1814 when much was happenings. The most useful compartmentalized gang of unenlightened idiots ever assembled but its primary purpose is to groom potential players bound to extreme blood oaths, as a bonus the Black Pope can treat them as heretics if he sees fit, this also keeps the Catholic Church and Freemasons distanced to avoid massive cognitive dissonance in both tribes.
Winrar
See Judaism in Poland 1750-1800.
See American Revolution 1750-1800.
The Jesuits won at this time.
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>>61003241
You're lying.
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>>61010262
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Freemasonry is the longtime enemy of Holy Mother Church in Europe. If you look deep enough, all "Western" degeneracy since the 18th Century have been pushed by Masons.

The U.S. is the most impressive Masonic achievement. They managed to rest the better part of a continent from the most impressive military in the world, and turned it into their lab and plaything.
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>>61012158
Nope.
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>>61013038
Yes you are.
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>>61012718
>Freemasonry is the longtime enemy of Holy Mother Church in Europe.
Yes.
>If you look deep enough, all "Western" degeneracy since the 18th Century have been pushed by Masons.
Yep.

The U.S. is the most impressive Masonic achievement. They managed to rest the better part of a continent from the most impressive military in the world, and turned it into their lab and plaything.
Yes.

What is the point, of your argument?
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Made by a bunch of jews to destroy the catholic church, obviously
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>>60998029
Illuminated freemasons caused the French Revolution

Free masonry is not compatible with Christianity at all

Which is why (before the Catholic Church lost its balls with Vatican II) you were excommunicated for being a mason

fuck masons
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>>61013038
>>61013038
Nope
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>>61013370
>Made by a bunch of jews to destroy the catholic church, obviously
This.

>>61013375
>Illuminated freemasons caused the French Revolution
Yes.

>Free masonry is not compatible with Christianity at all
Yes

>Which is why (before the Catholic Church lost its balls with Vatican II) you were excommunicated for being a mason
Yes.

fuck masons
No. You would still be living under a monarchy.
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>>61013593
They same to take credit for anything at all that happens in the world. Their occult ideology biases their secretive communities into believing their own bullshit.

A Chinese guy invented the compass and they appropriated his invention into their fraternal orders.

Did he need to be in their hidden international cult to make it? No, but the freemasons will probably say they did it secretly...somehow...mysteriously...
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>>61001284
The perfect cover up
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>>61014054
"seem"
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>>61014054
>A Chinese guy invented the compass and they appropriated his invention into their fraternal orders.
So?
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>>61014262
Fuck you.
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>>61013593
whats wrong with living under a benevolent Catholic monarch

about 1,000x better than living under a jewish controlled corrupt capitalist oligarchy
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>>61014327
>Fuck you.
No

>>61014626
>whats wrong with living under a benevolent Catholic monarch

>about 1,000x better than living under a jewish controlled corrupt capitalist oligarchy
Story tiem!
>be me
>1574
>be peasant
>be sewing apprentice
>sister taken away for heresy
>wife taken away for heresy
>church kills them both
>tfw in 2016 people will be supporting the rape and torture of the two i loved most
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>>61015702
Also, that is basically what happened to Nostradamus, his sister was burned around 1574 and his first wife was burned later.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CepMs4BmidM
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>>61015702
except shit like that didn't happen
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Mason here, only an EA but will answer any questions you guys have. Can't break my oath though of course.
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>>61017529
>except shit like that didn't happen
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Come on, it's obvious that the Masons have done good, through Judaism.
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>>60998029
>Is freemasonry compatible with Christianity?
Yes. It's not a religious organisation, it just requires a religion of the members to ensure they're upright members of society.
>Are masons linked to a new world order, national treasure style?
No.

>>61002005
Common misunderstanding. You can't be invited by anyone, you have to decide to join of your own accord.

>>61013370
Dat persecution complex.
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Can't beleive this wasn't posted yet, just for shits and giggles:
How does one join the Masons, what are the requirements?
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>>61019654
No felonies, on top of that, land was always a big deal, but I believe land ownership is less important these days, than your felony record.
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>>61017532
What happens if you break your oath, will you be murdered?
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>>61000476
The problem with freemasons is that they're liberal as fuck.

They supported the french revolution and the american revolution.

Always trying to destroy anything traditional to put a liberal cuck government in power.

No wonder why the Catholic Church prohibire it
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>>61019654

Be a man of good character, no felonies, etc
Must believe in God
At least 18 years old
vouched for by three other Master Masons in good standing
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>>61020191

Nope, I would just be ashamed of myself. A man is nothing without his word.
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>>60998029
>Is freemasonry compatible with Christianity?
No, christianism means submission to God, it's impossible that a pró freedom of faith are compatível with christianity
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>>61020398
>>61019654
You don't have to believe in God. Their requirement is just that you believe in a "higher power."

Also, Catholics and Orthodox strictly forbid Masonry from those who wish to remain in good standing with the Church
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>>61019968
>>61020398

I see, thank you for replies.
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>>61017532
>EA
>break no oaths
I have the info, but have never entered into the lodge, beyond my Boy Scout fraternities.

As an Entered Apprentice, can you give us the most white bread explanation for why we should join Freemasonry, rather than converting to Judaism? These are my two options, no matter how weird that may sound.
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>>61020684

That's correct, in Illinois we say "higher power"

Also, there are tons of devout Catholic masons here. They just have to be ok with ignoring papal bulls
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>>61021019
>They just have to be ok with ignoring papal bulls
Kek, that means rejecting the Papacy.

To question again, why Freemasonry, over conversion to Judaism?
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>>61021019
On discovery of a catholic being a mason, does the diocese bishop have the authority to excommunicate?
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>>61020766
>>61021347

Judaism is a religion.

Freemasonry is an organized society of men symbolically applying the principles of operative Masonry and architecture to the science and art of character.

Freemason is speculative masonry, not a religion. They two are totally different.
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>>61021545

I'm not sure desu. But the catholic masons I know don't seem worried about it.

Masonry doesn't ask it's members to do anything that would conflict with their religion.
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>>61010535
It's hard to say what they have planned for your country because it is obviously a love hate relationship. On one hand they found refuge by creating the Masonic USA as they were on the run everywhere else and it was the real reason for protesting religious freedumb in the new world. On the other it is mostly the making of Protestant settlers from Germany and England who were the main source of the Reformation in the first place. They wanted to call District of Columbia - designed by a French Freemason - Rome on the Potomac but it would have drawn too much ire in the day. Also, Jesuit Georgetown University indirectly runs the country so I always listen to what their pundits are on about, lately it seems to be flooding the southern states with Catholic Mexicans.

It is quite remarkable the history of the Jesuits, often when people study it in detail they quickly realize this is a beast of epic proportions and wisdom, any attempt to fight it directly doesn't stand a chance. It is really pure genius of the Machiavellian variety.
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I think we had some bigwig from our Moscow's lodge running as an independent president candidate.
Got something laughable for a votes and I never heard about him again.
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>>61020191
"Under the penalty of being a willfully perjured individual, void of all moral worth and totally unfit to be accepted into this, or any other warranted lodge, or society of men who prize honour and virtue over the external advantages of rank and fortune."

>>61020366
>The problem with freemasons is that they're liberal as fuck.

>Bastion of traditionalism, monarchism, meritocracy, and conservatism
>liberal
Must be a translation error from Portugese.

>>61020655
That makes no sense.
Also sounds more like Islam.

>>61021545
I *think* it has to go through the Holy See, according to the current law. Which is why it virtually never happens. Or if it's like you say, that would explain the Bishops who have become Masons, in that they wouldn't excommunicate themselves.
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>>60998029
The Masons are great guys, and they're compatible with any religion; as far as I know, their only spiritual requirement is that you believe in a higher power.
Whether this be YHWH, A divine clockmaker, several thousand animal spirits, the will of man, etc..., it doesn't matter.

>New world order
>implying there's anything wrong with a OWG
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>>61021635
>They two are totally different.
>EP
Get ready to merge. Don't the first two degrees, at least, mention the Temple of Solomon?

Get ready. You need to be ready for the rampant Judaism, if you have yet to face it, which I doubt. I believe at least the second degree employs Judaic imagery and ritual, but I don't want you to say too much.
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>>61022367
The first two modern degrees mention the Temple, yes, and the third is more about it. But it's no more than you see in the Bible (for obvious reasons).
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>>60998029
They are christian
Only members of the 5 founding families (I think 5) maybe join their highest ranks and know their deepest secrets.
They strive to have the second coming, ragnarok, whatever you wish to call it.
They see the Jews for what they are and seek to establish the NWO to save mankind from extinction.
The world's end will be here shortly, with all the fury our ancestors described. God is displeased with what his children have grown to become and punish us accordingly.
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>>61022367

It borrows imagery and elements from many traditions.

It doesn't contain any Jewish dogma though. More about helping the Mason explore his relationship to his own society, holy book, and the obligations he holds to these.
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>>61023140
>But it's no more than you see in the Bible
The Torah
>(for obvious reasons).
Get ready to be a Zealot, but after all my research, I find no better alternative to the Great Work, so play on, play on, yo
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>>61023847
Halt the second coming**
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>>61021545
The Archbishop of the NY provincial - the most powerful provincial in North America - is usually a Jesuit and a high ranking Freemason by default.

Check the next US federal election and the ritual dinner at the Waldorf Historia, so much is hidden in plain sight and esoteric in nature. This guys predecessor Edward Egan was a 32nd degree Mason, Dolans credentials are slightly obscured but that is basically an Irish terrorist sitting between the two presidential candidates of the last election making them look like good compliant obedient alter boys!
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>>61024022
No, the Bible. You know, the Christian one?
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If you guys want to learn more about what Freemasonry is, turn off the youtube conspiracy videos and check out this page:

http://findmoreinmasonry.org/
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>>61023904
>It borrows imagery and elements from many traditions.
This is because the Aristotle and even the Koran have important philosophies.

>It doesn't contain any Jewish dogma though.
Except the rebuild of thr Jewish temple, for a one world Jewish governmsnt.

>More about helping the Mason explore his relationship to his own society, holy book, and the obligations he holds to these.
I agree.
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>>60998029
don't.
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>>61019968
>No felonies
>>61020398
>no felonies
So misdemeanors are okay?
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>>61024665
>Except the rebuild of thr Jewish temple, for a one world Jewish governmsnt.
Where exactly are either of these points in Masonry?

>>61024874
Depends. Things like traffic violations are waved aside, but anything which might be a reflection on your character could take some explaining.
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>>60998029
its just charity
nothing more
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>>61025100
>Things like traffic violations are waved aside, but anything which might be a reflection on your character could take some explaining.
So if I was arrested for possession but I don't do drugs anymore I can just say "imma gud boy I dindu nuffin I got my life 2getha I went 2 school and I lift weights e'ry day"
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>>60998029
Do freemasons hate niggers and gays?
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>>61024874

They interview you about all of these things and your reasons for joining.

Freemasonry is for making good men better. Not for making shitty men good.
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>>61025100
>Where exactly are either of these points in Masonry?
As you may, or may not know, yet, it depends on of you are a "son of Shem." If you are not one, you help to build the temple, whether you know that now, or not.

If you are a son of Shem, you cannot be a Freemason.

If you have not learned about this yet, you have yet to be tested.
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>>61025937

Freemasons are generally very friendly towards everyone. However most lodges are a cross-section of the people in the local area. Some areas tend not to like niggers and gays very much.
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freemasons are in league with the jews and the upper echelons worship the devil, though like the jews your average mason has no idea and thinks their creed to be beneficial
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>>61025446
Maybe. Given the typical members, you might have a hard time. Or maybe not. Hard to say.

>>61025937
Mostly, yes. A couple of jurisdictions outright ban gays (trannies too), and for the most part, negroes are segregated.

>>61026122
>it depends on of you are a "son of Shem."
I'm joined the R.A.M. recently, yes.
>you help to build the temple
What temple would that be, and how?
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>>61026465
>>61026623

Interesting. I live in the deep south, so my area is probably good.

or i guess i can just joint the klan, fuck it
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>>61026623
>it depends on of you are a "son of Shem."
>I'm joined the R.A.M. recently, yes.
Cool, then you know what I mean.

>you help to build the temple
>What temple would that be, and how?
Do, you want to act like you don't know?

>>61026608
Who has done more for science, Jesus, or Satan?
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>>60999670
>Not aware of your bullshit conpiracy
>= pc despite hatting niggers

Kill yourself. Anything that comes out of your mouth from now on will be discarded.
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>>61027909
mankind has actually done the most actually
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>>61027909
>Cool, then you know what I mean.
No, I really don't. I suspect you don't either.
>Do, you want to act like you don't know?
I'm not acting.
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>>61028389
>I suspect you don't either.
Now I know you are a mason. Basically I have studied this for a long time. To be a Master Mason, you must submit to the rights of he who built Solomon's temple.
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>>61002230
How do you convert? Don't you need to have a Jewish mother?

And how do masons relate to the third temple, and what is its significance?
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>>61029374
rites*
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>>61013263
>All western degeneracy is pushed by Masons

Jews mate, have you been paying attention?
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>>61029374
>To be a Master Mason, you must submit to the rights of he who built Solomon's temple
Well that must be new.

>>61029435
>And how do masons relate to the third temple, and what is its significance?
Not at all. Basically, Masonry does mention the unworthiness which led to the destruction of both, and how there probably shouldn't be a third. But even that's only brought up in a couple of side degrees.
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>>61029781
So they would be opposed to the Jews then...

Why the fuck does everyone have there own conspiracy theory!? I've looked it up and once I try to cross reference I get instant contradictions!
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>>61030093
>So they would be opposed to the Jews then...
Not overtly...
>Why the fuck does everyone have there own conspiracy theory!?
Because they can.
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>>61029435
>How do you convert? Don't you need to have a Jewish mother?
So, yes, to be a Jewish, ethnically, you need a Jewish mother. If a gentile man, you can convert, marry a Jew and have a Jewish family. This might be my calling.

>And how do masons relate to the third temple, and what is its significance?
Some Masons may try to attack my response, but they cannot deny the Kabbalah's influence on Masonry. The Kabbalah, whether /pol/ likes it, or not, is the most comprehensive work on science and mysticsm ever created. The purpose of Kabbalah, despite what anyone may say, is the establishment of the third temple, the second one demolished by the Romans in the 70s AD. The Great Work is to establish a world government and to create the Messiah, who can help to rebuild the 3rd temple. There is no higher work, in Freemasonry. That last part may hurt Freemasons, who don't know the truth, but that is the goal.
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>>61030303
>Not overtly...
True. The Anglo-idea has always been to overthrow the Jews, but they fail to realize that the Jews have infiltrated and have no opponents.
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>>61030303
Not overtly aye...

>>61030339
So a gentile can become a Jew? Would you then be able to take up residents in Israel without being shit on/ ethnically cleansed? Not that cleansing white men from the gene pool is a good idea.

Never heard of the Kabbalah in this context. Just Christians mumbling about that kind of shit as a satanic work.

Do they realize that creating the "Messiah" will actually just vie them the anti Christ? Only God can decide the coming of the Messiah, why are these people so obviously satanic? The "creation" of the "messiah" should set of red flags for everyone.
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>>61030814
Where the fuck are you getting this?
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>>61031218
>So a gentile can become a Jew? Would you then be able to take up residents in Israel without being shit on/ ethnically cleansed?
Yes, but only if you convert to Orthodox.

>>61031367
Simply put, Kabbalah infiltrated the Freemasons in the late 1600s, early 1700s and revealed truths thay ciuld not compete, so the whites made a pact to allow their infiltration, but "in the darkness bite them," but the Freemasons lost their foothold and have become entirely subservient.

As for Satanism, this topic is complex, but the Rabbis would tell you that Satan is a tool of G-d, not a rival of G-d. They will deflect any rejections of their faith, even if you can demonstrate that they are the "Synagogue of Satan," the will deflect any references, because the Tanakh confirms that Satan is not equal to G-d.

So, long story short, you can't defeat them.
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>>61032447
>Kabbalah infiltrated the Freemasons in the late 1600s, early 1700s and revealed truths thay ciuld not compete
Whut.
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>>61032447
What the fuck does this have to do with anglos wanting to take over Jews, and why does that mean that they cannot be defeated?

Religion is probably bullshit. We will go on existing for thousands of years, and in that time the Jews can and will be destroyed if they continue down this path.
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>>61032586
>Kabbalah infiltrated the Freemasons in the late 1600s, early 1700s and revealed truths that could not compete with*
With Zhevi, a new Judaism was born, but it had been growing for years.
This created the Enlightenment.
This led to modern medicine and all the things Christians and Muslims proclaim to hate, until their Grandma is in a hospital, using the tools grown by Jewish scientists.
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>>61033021
>if they continue down this path.
Thus far they have only found success on this path.
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>>61033043
Zevi*
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>>61033043
>This led to modern medicine and all the things Christians and Muslims proclaim to hate
What things? Because it was mostly Christianity which caused many scientific advancements.

And that still doesn't address the silliness of "Kabbalah infiltrating Freemasonry."
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>>61033743
>What things? Because it was mostly Christianity which caused many scientific advancements.
The Jews took down the Catholic Church, using Freemasonry as a tool.

>And that still doesn't address the silliness of "Kabbalah infiltrating Freemasonry."
I can grab some links, maybe, but it is all pretty obvious, culminating in the Bavarian Illumunati, calling for a one world government, based on the principles of Kabbalah...
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Ppl like giving an aura of mystery to freemasonry. To an extent it gives people from the outside a target while everyone within just laughs. They are civil servants within their own rights.
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>>61033340
Look, answer the fucking questions. An "I don't know" will suffice, but incoherent bullshit is getting on my nerves.

Yes, they have found success, but every day the conspiracy grows. Evidence piles up, new players enter the game. Countries rise and fall. They have the Orthodox church as their enemy, with Russia behind them, resulting in their failures in Syria. Russia grows, America shrinks. Muzzies are kicking up a storm. Iran becomes stronger. If a war starts, money and media won't help the Jew.

Empires far stronger than that that hold the Jews together have fallen far quicker than a few thousand years.
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The freemasonry tried to destroy the Holy Church from inside it, if you take a look at some leaked documents from the French Revolution, you will see a ton of plans for implosion in the church. The most frightening is that "we should corrupt women, that so the mother wouldn't tell his children how to pray, ergo killing the church overtime"
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>>61034170
>The Jews took down the Catholic Church, using Freemasonry as a tool.
Pretty sure it's still there...
>I can grab some links, maybe, but it is all pretty obvious
You might need to, because no, it isn't obvious when one ha an actual comprehension of these things.
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>>61034632
I'm starting to think >>61034170
Is literally just splooging bullshit he read just now online, or got from some other crazy cunt.
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>>61034239
>Look, answer the fucking questions. An "I don't know" will suffice, but incoherent bullshit is getting on my nerves.
I like your entire post.

>Yes, they have found success, but every day the conspiracy grows. Evidence piles up, new players enter the game.
Abaolutely, it is hidden-hand mafia-tier all day, eeryday.

>Countries rise and fall. They have the Orthodox church as their enemy, with Russia behind them, resulting in their failures in Syria. Russia grows, America shrinks. Muzzies are kicking up a storm. Iran becomes stronger. If a war starts, money and media won't help the Jew.
These are interesting and true, but the opponents of the Freemasons cannot deny that the Jewish ideologies, in Freemasonry, have outlived the Egyptians, Assyrians and Romans.

>Empires far stronger than that that hold the Jews together have fallen far quicker than a few thousand years.
The Jews will claim they go back 6,000 years, eviscerating, or outlining all opponents, until now. The Freemasons who believe they can overtake the Jews are disillusioned, it would seem, but there are Freemasons who plan to destroy Judaism.
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>>61034198
Its just poker, drinking and stuff. Laughing. The mysteries are said to be unbelievable and upon every degree you learn something about the human nature. To an extent it is like following through the devils backbone, within the scottish rite. Now that doesnt mean its satanic it just means that there is no true freedom just the perceived freedoms we have found necessary to believe in, in order to accomplish something. We are guided through life by another source fulfilling something we yet not know of. The samething all mysteries are built of.
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>>61034915
Of course. Doesn't make it any less entertaining.

>>61034979
>but there are Freemasons who plan to destroy Judaism.
Not destroy. Just put in their rightful place.
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>>61034979
Look, it is getting to the point where you are looking like just another crazy dumb mother fucker.

Where do you get your facts from? Is this just an imaginary battle for global supremacy going on in your head?

I can only play with you for so long before I actually expect some substance on your part, considering you seem to fancy yourself as someone with knowledge on these subjects.
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>>61035554
What would the rightful place be, and do you have any kind of reason to think this?
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>>61001850
>just like members of "anonymous" team up to hack some one
my lodge has members of anonymous
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>>61036416
Nice meme.

I'm a member of anonymous too. I DDoS'd this one kid for being mean. I told him "we are legiun, we du no forgit, we du not forgif, expect us" and then payed a site to DDoS him, so I am pretty much a hacker. And I have the Anonymous mask as well.
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>>61036416
Kek

>>61036257
He is a Mason.

>>61035554
Kek

>>61035048
How defeat them?
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>>61036257
Just from the justice and meritocratic aspects of Masonry. They had their chance to do stuff, but were time and time again rebuked for being naughty. Now we have the new and better covenant. They don't need to be outright removed, just put in places which haven't been better served by others.
See [degrees]; Mark Master, Red Cross of Constantine, 17th degree A&AR - Knight of the East and West, 18th degree A&AR - Prince Rose Croix, Holy Royal Arch (and others, which are more tangential, but i can't remember just now).

Mark Master is probably the biggest one in that vein (being a Craft degree). Dealing with the perfidy of the Jews against Christ.
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>>61037251
>How defeat them?
Meant for >>61035554

>>61035048
This, but it grows impossible, not to join.
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So it seems that the catholic church and the orthodox church do not consider themselves to be compatible with freemasonry. But what about protestants do they have any problems with freemasonry in general.
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>>61037453
This is only in Judeo-Christian Freemasonry and I believe only more prevalent in Rosicrucian philosophies.
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>>61037868
No. They are Freemasons most prevalenty in Christianity.
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>>61035048
>Now that doesnt mean its satanic
Only because of the Jewish concept of Satan
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>>61037909
All Masonry is Christian Masonry. But there are degrees restricted to Christians. And the Rosicrucian stuff is kept separate in the Rosicrucian side orders.
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>>61038444
>But there are degrees restricted to Christians. And the Rosicrucian stuff is kept separate in the Rosicrucian side orders.
Trips of truth... I cannot deny this, not just because of the trips, but do you not think it naive to expect to defeat the Jews?
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>>61035048
>Finally get to the first degree

>mfw it's just some shit I learned on /pol/ last year
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>>60998029

From what I've been able to gather.....

They worship Lucifer, and that doesn't mean they worship sin and the devil, what you may very well believe about Lucifer is not what they would say about Lucifer.

They believe him to be a being of purity and enlightenment and using the concept of duality state that he must be the actual "good" guy, where as what a Christian would refer to as "God" must be the bad one deceiving people.

They have a thing for the colour red.

They do not accept women into the group as again duality, men and women are opposites, the female opposite of freemasonry would be the order of the eastern star.

They have a thing for the east "always look to the east" "east facing property" etc

They possess "black cards" Credit cards that will pay for things but never debit the account.

Members cannot be atheists, require some belief in a higher order/divine.

Refer to "God" as G-D, secretly this means grand designer, but if an outside was to ask "why do you remove the o from God" they would say its arrogant too know the name of something so above us or something along those lines. Its not an outright lie but its not exactly total transparency with these types either.

I'm not a mason myself but I have been surrounded by them, I have family that state they are masonic, and have had friends that had stated masonic fathers, that they would get me in etc (for the record I would never make an oath to something I do not fully comprehend so masonry didn't appeal too much too me anyway)

They do seem like generally decent people, very charitable and civil, however their secrecy makes it seem like a cover/mask for those outside the loop and that seems only fair.

Take what I say with a grain of salt of course as I have had too piece a lot of this together through personal experience and evidence that I have found, then again its hard to trust masons being so secretive.

Only they truly know and of them perhaps only a few.
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>>61039173
Kek. It's still beautiful though
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>>60998029
>tfw I live about two miles from that statue
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>>61039225
Good.

>cover/mask
The correct action here is to ask, "so what?" This will help you understand.
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>>61039173
Think about what it's teaching you, though. Same with all subsequent degrees. You can't just take them at face value, as they're meaningless like that.

>>61038928
I never said defeat. Jews themselves don't need to be "defeated." Zionists, however... But that's a different matter.

>>61039225
Oh goodie...
>They worship Lucifer
Only in the Christian degrees. And not by that name.
>They have a thing for the colour red.
Eh, it's more an appreciation for all colours. Red, purple, green, white, blue, etc. They all have meanings and are applied as such.
>They do not accept women into the group as again duality
Actually it's because women are quarrelsome bitches who would mess things up - unofficially. Officially - Women were never stone masons in guilds. Also, OES is just one of the women's/mixed groups.
>They have a thing for the east
True. Would take a while to explain, though.
>They possess "black cards" Credit cards that will pay for things but never debit the account.
I wish. Hell, I wish even Grand Lodge had that, so they'd stop hitting members up for their stupid investments.
>Refer to "God" as G-D
False. That's a Jewish thing. God is used (non-sectarian) a number of times, even in the Craft degrees. But we also have a number of (non-sectarian) names to use based on the degree teaching.
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>>61037453
So the Masons are looking to strip power from the Jews? How do I get in on this shit? For realz, after I'm done educaysiun anything is possible.
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>>61025937
Blacks yes gays no.
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>>61040791
Is a degree a text on a subject or a sub group within Masonry?
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>Zionists
I know what you meant, but how defeat them and how is that not naive?
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My grandfather isn't an exceptionally educated man, and has become very religious in his older age, but he was the highest rank you could be at a local/regional lodge. He still has his little thing he hangs on the door and his rank certificate framed in the house, but he says they're not as good of an organization as they used to be.

I've been thinking of seeing if he'd give me a blessing/recommendation to join a lodge. I was in a fraternity in HS and I figure it could give me some direction as well as a built in networking base for career advancement. I too though, wonder if it conflicts with Christianity. I'm a Christian, and again my grandfather is really religious, but I've never found anything compelling to say they're up to anything evil that wasn't from tinfoil or "EVERYTHING IS EVIL" tier websites from conspiracy kooks and hyper paranoid evangelicals.
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>>61040791
>Eh, it's more an appreciation for all colours. Red, purple, green, white, blue, etc. They all have meanings and are applied as such.
You left off gold.

>They do not accept women into the group as again duality
Actually it's because women are quarrelsome bitches who would mess things up - unofficially. Officially - Women were never stone masons in guilds. Also, OES is just one of the women's/mixed groups.
What other groups, for women, beside Job's Daughters.

>They have a thing for the east
>True. Would take a while to explain, though.
Not really, you are praying for the loss and rebuild of the Third Temple.

>They possess "black cards" Credit cards that will pay for things but never debit the account.
>I wish. Hell, I wish even Grand Lodge had that, so they'd stop hitting members up for their stupid investments.
Kek, no kidding. Other than the card thing, it was a good post. No cards like that.
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>>61040920
I wouldn't even say it's that active. But members are encouraged to be... meritocratic.

>>61041236
All of the above. You have the Craft degrees, which are like the core/base ones. They teach learning about oneself, learning itself, a few required subjects to be useful to the world (trivium+quadrivium), and so on.
Then you have the side degrees, which are like electives. Most are Christian, but it's basically for choosing subjects you like.
Fond of Crusade history? Join the Templars. Occultism? Societas Rosicruciana. Theology? Holy Royal Arch/Rite Eccosais Rectifee. Archeology/history? Red Cross of Constantine. And many more.

>>61041363
I don't have a solution thar.
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>>61041754
In a fraternity in college, not HS. Typo
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>>61042094
Would degree in Physics count as meritocratic?
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>>60998029
http://youtu.be/IZqghCSEj94
Here's an interesting video, where KRS- one speaks on his knowledge of masons.
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>>61040791

Forgive me for not taking your word on face value, being so secretive and all - if I was correct then it would be your duty to discredit and dissuade me from my beliefs would it not?

It seems to me that in order too not be seen as clandestine your order would have to step out of the shadows with total transparency.

That having been said I can see why you would not really care if some people would see you like this as ultimately very few people care about what you guys are up too, and of the few that do most could probably be brought into the fold.

I have an easterly facing home, two of my friends were masonic, one asked which direction is east I pointed it, he made a thing of it, the other was responded "why does HE get an east facing property" as if I received something I didn't deserve.

So if you have the time to explain I would appreciate an explanation as too what this whole east facing thing is all about!

I'm leading to believe its to do with Constantinople/Israel if its too be taken literally, or alternative East = left (the world as a stage being looked down from the north) Left handed path = path of redemption through self improvement for ones vices etc rather than blind faith.

Also what name would the Christian degrees use for Lucifer? Lord of light? Enlightened one?

What is the Masonic stance on Agnostic people?
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>>61042085
>You left off gold.
I said etc.
>What other groups, for women, beside Job's Daughters.
Job's Daughters and Rainbow Girls are for young girls, as are Daughters of the Nile, and something else i forget. But for women there are a few like the Order of Amaranth, White Shrines of Jerusalem, something like Templar Beaucant or whatever, and a couple others you mostly find in the USA.
>Not really, you are praying for the loss and rebuild of the Third Temple.
Well no. Not even a little.

>>61042376
Sure. But remember to apply things you learn (sorry about the irony there).
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>>61041363
To put my two cents in, it seems as simple as reconstructing white nationalism. The solutions to be proposed to initiate such a change in phase in the west are would be causally related to those required to stop Joos.
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>>61042085

I considered not mentioning it, however certain masons I knew used too brag about them.
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>>61042767
I'm pretty sure you have to believe in SOME order to things, even if it's just a Spinozan concept of God
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>>61042821
Apply? Like, get a job or work in a lab? Sounds like a natural progression.
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>>61042767
>Forgive me for not taking your word on face value, being so secretive and all - if I was correct then it would be your duty to discredit and dissuade me from my beliefs would it not?
Fair enough. But you should know it's not really that secretive. People just think it is, which in turn caused some members to (wrongly) think that way.
And I have no interest in dissuading people, just letting them know the truth. You can check these things in primary sources such as ceremonial books.
>It seems to me that in order too not be seen as clandestine your order would have to step out of the shadows with total transparency.
Clandestine is the wrong word choice, but yea, we've certainly tried that, but even then people don't believe it.
>one asked which direction is east I pointed it, he made a thing of it
Probably as a joke, bro.
But aight, next post I shall.
>Also what name would the Christian degrees use for Lucifer?
Christ, mostly. Like the Bible.
>What is the Masonic stance on Agnostic people?
Depends. A lot of places would say no dice, but some would let them in.

>>61043765
Exactly.
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>>61040146

The notion of asking "so what" has really always fucked with me based on the way I think, its semantically not much of a question.

I do ask why, but I get the impression that you mean "what does it really matter?"

Help me out here what are you really asking?
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>>61042767
>what this whole east facing thing is all about!
It's to do with humanity starting in the East (Sumeria), and light (knowledge) originating from there, much as the sun rises in the East.
Christianity was born of Judea, before traveling to the west. Christ in some places is thought to have traveled further East to gain more knowledge, and bring it back to the West.
Basically, a lot of stuff like that. Same with Christian churches all facing the East.
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>>61044261
See
>>61044236
Please continue...
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>>61045012
>and this doesn't directly reflect on the placement of the 3rd temple
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>>61044236

>Christ, mostly. Like the Bible.

My interpretation was that Lucifer fell from grace because he refused to bow to Adam based on not wishing to break the original commandments (namely worship no other....) and that Lucifer would see it all as a test of character to remain faithful and loving even though its not reciprocated. Did I utterly miss the mark in this regard?

As for the joke thing, the second persons reaction was far too sincere and spontaneous, it seemed like an insult to him that I would get one when he doesn't.

And then what of Agnostics such as myself that believe in a higher being but know not of any of its wants desires.

I believe in a higher power the best way to describe it would be "Abraxas" but I believe it arrogant to believe I know its name its wills its wants for me etc.
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>>61044261
>"so what"
It means what makes you human.
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>>61045266

You don't sound like an agnostic
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>>61045012
I heard some guy say that he went to study with monks in the far eastern regions of Arabia. Would you happen to know anything? On my phone atm so not googling.
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>>61045266
>Agnostic
>Believes in a god


Is that not just Deism?
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>>61045266
You sound more Deist, which is to say "God made all of this and then just stepped back and went on indefinite hiatus."
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>>61045023

Well then I'd say that if you was truly good you would fear no evil and see no reason to hide identities.

If you was truly Evil you would acknowledge the gain to be had in presenting yourself as good and charitable and would hide your true natures.

This is the duality argument I suggested earlier right? Lucifer wished to enlighten Adam and Eve, where as the "i am" would try too keep them living in ignorance. leading people to conclude that Lucifer had humanities best interests at heart, though I would challenge that.
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>>61045650
It more means the acknowledgment of a creator without any knowledge of his character or intention. Or at least that's what they taught me in that bullshit Religion class they taught me years ago.
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>>61045907
I fucked up that last sentence, plz forgif
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>>61045650
>>61045575
>>61045444

I may be wrong theirs so much disinfo in the world and everyones so sure of themselves that its hard to know truth from fiction.

I should probably reword it, I believe that I do not know, that is my core belief, their may be a higher order their may not I know not of these thing but if their was such a being as "Abraxas" then I would of course wish to worship and do as it willed of me.
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>>61045860
>though I would challenge that.
Why, when you made a good argument for it?
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>>61046243

>I should probably reword it, I believe that I do not know, that is my core belief, there may be a higher order there may not. I know not of these thing but if there was such a being as "Abraxas" then I would of course wish to worship and do as it willed of me.

Edited due to state schooling (I'm aware I type like a fool)
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There's some weird ass shit in this thread.

Free masory is the study of the Kabbalah. It is as Christian as those pastors who say Jew's are totally okay and get a free pass to heaven even if they don't accept Christ as their savior.

The Christians in their midst are cucks.

Free masonry is an extension, social place, melting pot of jewish ideas and study of the talmud and jewish beliefs. It is why they are so closely linked to israel.
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>>61045263
Why would it?

>>61045266
>My interpretation was that Lucifer fell
Christ is Lucifer, according to the Bible, bro. Lucifer is just a Latin term for Light-bringer/bearer.
>the second persons reaction was far too sincere and spontaneous
Maybe you're just in a good location? I can't be certain of what he meant. But jokes like that are pretty universal. Like all those stupid goat ones...
>And then what of Agnostics such as myself that believe in a higher being but know not of any of its wants desires.
Yea, that's fine. It's the Agnostic thought that you're not sure either way which is where there'd be trouble.

>>61045455
Me personally? No idea in any concrete manner, beyond what I've read. But that is the notion i was referring to.

>>61046563
>Free masory is the study of the Kabbalah
Nah, we have subsets for those who want to, though. Among other things.
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>>61046563
Well done.
It is crazy, I am in too deep. I am so excited I just can't sleep.
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>>61046496

Well I'm not so sure that ignorance isn't blissful and that knowledge was in our best interest.

I feel like the main character from the novel "the ragged trousered philanthropist" set in the early 20th century, they're all dirt poor being exploited endlessly, but in their ignorance they see not of the injustice of it.

All except the main character who can see the injustice, it doesn't really help him in any real way. In fact it really makes things worse for him.
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>>61046889
>Why would it?
Kek

>>61047005
>but in their ignorance they see not of the injustice of it.
See modern education...
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>>61047139

I'm not sure I understand, I was born 1990 and pushed through modern education, it taught me nothing at all of any value.

Just look at the way I type, I was one of the highest scorers in my state school.

The only latin we was taught was "dulce et decorum est pro patria a morii", of course I can't spell it properly, because they were more insistent on having us chant and agree with it.

In history we was taught nonsense such as the treaty of Versailles being fair.

So forgive me but "modern education" doesn't seem to hold any value whatsoever, unless of course you hold the belief that I wasn't given one.
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>>61046889
>Me personally? No idea in any concrete manner, beyond what I've read. But that is the notion i was referring to.
I met an Australian Rosicrucian, same ideals as you.
They are beautiful and all, but can you refer me to some literature that shows how Christianity can be better than Judaism?

Also, why have you not studied the Kabbalah? Lastly what degree and what initiations have you done?
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>>61047798
That was my point. More about the chanting, you would chant huh?
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>>61047949

This stood out as bullshit too me, but they had an entire class of about 30 of us in a room reciting this latin, then they had us recite it in English, "its a sweet and bitter thing to die for ones country," Complete bullshit in my opinion.
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>>61047841
>They are beautiful and all, but can you refer me to some literature that shows how Christianity can be better than Judaism?
Blimey, I have no idea where to start with that. I mean, the Bible comes to mind as an obvious one (Jews have had only failings, despite every advantage, Christianity has been treated harshly and still done well, etc.), but that's pretty darn subjective, ya know?
>Also, why have you not studied the Kabbalah?
I have. I don't mind it, but it's not at the forefront of the things I study. It's in the 1st Grade (Zelator) of the SRIA, so we cover it a bit.
>Lastly what degree and what initiations have you done?
Lots. Basically check off 75% of this chart.
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>>61048153
WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK
Dude, that is spooky. So, this was British public education, huh??
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>>61048153

My point being that if I had accepted the ignorance I was being taught I would of been able to cope better in my position. "I was born to serve those that where born to rule".

Seeing as I can see that my kind is being exploited left and right it brings me nothing but sadness, so this is why I wonder whether living in ignorance would be better for those subjected to absolute power.
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>>61048308
>SRIA
Nice.

>Zelator
Hebrew term with deep meaning.

>75%
I can tell and the contributions you have made to this thread are fantastic.
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>>61048662
>I wonder whether living in ignorance would be better for those subjected to absolute power.
My point is that they are giving you what you want, crazy as it sounds. You are the character in your book and it will only increase...
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>>61048527

The town I came from was built to house those that survived the drafts of ww1 and ww2, our state school were created too make better soldiers.

Public schools aren't free in the UK, they're what you would consider private, you have to pay for entry to a public school.

The teachers would also state that "it doesnt really matter whether you get this or not, when you grow up you'll realise this is all rubbish/nonsense", when asked why we are forced to come they would say "to help you better understand", giving the impression that they teach you half truths so that you can develop your knowledge into full truths like a stepping stone.

By understand I feel they meant stand under in the legal sense.
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>>61048686
SRIA is my favourite. Most Fratres say if it came down to it, they'd readily drop membership in the Craft, but retain it in SRIA.
>Hebrew term with deep meaning.
Pretty much everything in the College has oodles of deep meaning.
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>>61048911

I just want to do right by my creator so that I never have to return to this place.
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>>61048999
>By understand I feel they meant stand under in the legal sense.
What? Also, more about the half-truths.
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>>61049054
Hmmm. Other than our seeming disagreement on Judaism, vs Chrisitanity, we seem good, however, I see the value in Christian-only degrees, like the 18th and I believe 14th in the Craft. The lack of these would cause me to be an unhappy Jew.
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All of you are retarded.
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>>61049074
>I just want to do right by my creator so that I never have to return to this place.
The biggest issue with resigning yourself to these groups is they own you. The implications of this will only make sense to you. The next life will, as told by some, be affected by the decisions you make, in this life.

The value of the debate related to these issues is real. It is what makes me not join and what keeps me obsessed with joining.
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>>61049171

Its a reference to common law, I didn't know this at the time. In common law they use a different language, it sounds like English but it is not, certain things have different meanings.

If a police officer asks, "do you understand" and you agree it gives them permission to use the legal system set by the government and not the lawful system set by god.

You made a verbal covenant by stating you stand under the legal system.

They would ask a question in a way where it seems like they are asking if you comprehend what they're asking.

Its probably bullshit anyway but its all related to common law, divine law (law of god) and legalese.

I'm trying hard to remember much of what I was taught, due to the increasingly digital age I have been able too converse with people from other nations and the like.

I ate the bullshit they taught me and was awarded high marks because it didn't occur too me in my youthful naivety that they were teaching me everything incorrectly so that now I'm an adult I could be considered an idiot by those that were taught what was true.
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I found a card in my 3x Great Grandfather's Wallet, it had some masonic shit on it, and permitted free travel on domestic trains, somehow. He was the town doctor, I'm assuming that is why he was a member.

Also inherited some other secret society regalia of his, really fancy looking shit like a apron with gold on it (see attachment), interesting symbols like skull and crossbones, Noah's ark, a beehive, all seeing eye in gold (eye of providence I guess its called).

If any of you guys know more about this, I'd be interested to hear it. I found some similar aprons, but they weren't quite as fancy.

My understanding is that membership of these clubs are way down, less every year. I wonder what we are missing out on.
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>>61050051
Dude, this is loaded af. I am trying to comprehend, because it is so much information. Are you saying you learned old British laws in your K-12 (British equivalent)? Those laws no longer apply and are outdated?
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>>61050300

Common law still applies in the UK.
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>>61050118
>based apron
Behive is an easy one. It means "for the good of the hive." It is the origin of the "hive mind" meme.
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>>60998029
The fact that they are a secret society implies they are up to no good
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>>61050437
What makes it different than law elsewhere? I hear Michael Savage talk cryptically about this, all the time.
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>>61050118
Looks like an old American one. When i get home, i'll check the arms and let you know.

>>61050542
Good thing Masonry isn't a secret society, then.
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daily reminder that Freemasons are Jesuits
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What degree do I have to be to get in on the orgies?
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>>61050553

Well we have two sets of law, if you're in the know you can use common law too not be subject to the legal side of things.

Its how they maintain the "one set of rules for them and one set of rules for us" class separation.

Common law states that you cannot kill, steal, be reckless to the extent that it could cause others harm and be fraudulent, goes back to the Magna Carta.

The legal system set out by parliament has all sorts of legislations that restrict, more than anything, anyone whose is subjected to them to be able to get ahead.

Its silly but in my experience it has seemed to work, and no - its not taught at the kind of schools I went to for obvious reasons.

Its considered tin foil territory but again in my experience the tone police officers take once you understand them changes and they are able to act in a way that can only really be described as unjust.
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I'm interested in joing the Odd Fellows as they are head quartered out of my home town an I met a couple on my travels in AmeriCorps NCCC. How do I go about this and are they pretty much similar to the Free Masons?
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>>61051046
So "common law" is like saying you are a citizen of the Earth and not subject to British laws and it didn't work out well for you...
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>>61050646
So?

>>61051104
Pretty much.

>>61050825
Royal Arch
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>>61050825
9th in the OTO.

>>61051104
Yea, same deal, just way less ceremonial or education. But they do insurance, which is cool.
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>>61051299

nonono, not like that. That would be more of a Divine law thing that comes from the talmuddic teaching I believe.

Again, I'm not well educated, and in this field I know something's but not everything, it would be better too do your own research into common law and freemen on the land etc.

Of course as a mason, you must be a freeman no? Its a requirement over here to join I believe.
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>>61021983
jesuits are just a bunch of virgins with masters degrees m8
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Any masons that are here and shit

What is the endgame here? why are you all doing this, just for fun?

3rd temple gets built, then what?
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>>61051648

Not a Mason but biblically its ushers in Jhin/Satan/The Antichrist doesn't it?
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Is it true that freemasonry supports religious pluralism, that all faiths worship the same God in different ways? This is clearly against the scripture.
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>>61051648
No endgame. It's just a philosophical and scientific society with desire to educate and better the members, that they might help their nation.
There's no third temple stuff. Unless you count the metaphor of "building a temple within ourselves of the principles we learn, with our VSL as the foundation."
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>>61051776
Yeah I heard about that

But why are they tanking the economy for, the ISIS shit, why? how does all that = 3rd temple being built?
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>>61051904
No. Common misunderstanding. All religions are welcome, but none are discussed. They are all to be kept within ourselves.
That's why we use general and non-sectarian terms in the Craft degrees.
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>>61051403
>9th in the OTO
Cool

>>61050825
It is different degrees in different orders, but generally, once at said degree, the orders can co-mingle.
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>>61051965
So if there's no endgame

Then how come the nation isn't actually getting better? there's debt and all that.

Feel free to correct me, i'm just interested in this, if the conspiracy shit is bogus, then why are things like how they are now?
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The Masons and Shriners are just social clubs for old businessmen. Powerful people used to belong to the Masons, but the true powers that be eft Masonry behind once they were firmly ensconced in the halls of power and no longer needed the Masons to network. The Masons as they exist today are totally harmless and have no real power or influence
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>>60998029
I buzz past this statue every thanksgiving/christmas at 85mph.
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>>61051439
>Of course as a mason, you must be a freeman no? Its a requirement over here to join I believe.
I am not one, but know enough to want to know more. You are also a troll.
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>>61052185
Then who has the real power?
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>>61052169
>It is different degrees in different orders, but generally, once at said degree, the orders can co-mingle
No. Not at all. There are concordant ones with mixed membership, but they're separate.

>>61052170
Dunno. Too few Masons? Even within Masonry.
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>>61052043

I am subject to human error so dodn't take this as gospel.

It seems to me that they are creating the conditions for the tribulations to happen.

I have my own theory as too why.

I feel that they want too create all the prerequisite conditions for the second coming, setting the stage so too speak.

Assuming nothing happens because its been forced I believe it would leave a lot of Christians wondering - "where is the second coming" and abandon their faith. Perhaps accepting the doctrine of Lucifer in its place.

Again, I'm not a prophet its just opinion, I state nothing as if I know it too be true.
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>>61052080
Right I know all are welcome just like anyone can volunteer at the food bank but does freemasonry as an institution support the concept of pluralism?

This quote certainly does
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>>60998029

I wanted to join the freemasons but I was too afraid of them doing gay shit like fucking me or fucking my wife.
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>>61052503
Ah I see, that is sneaky

"they" being whom? Masons correct?

Thank you for that insight, its things like this that make me like /pol/ even more
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>>61021983
>It is quite remarkable the history of the Jesuits, often when people study it in detail they quickly realize this is a beast of epic proportions and wisdom, any attempt to fight it directly doesn't stand a chance. It is really pure genius of the Machiavellian variety.
My main point throughout the thread is that there is no defeating them and that the Tanakh yields all the ground rules for the future they are creating. You will see initiates in this thread who claim they will overcome the Tanakh in the end. Many think this, but I think the power for all of this comes from the Tanakh and will continue to come from the Tanakh.
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>>61052361

I assure you that I am a man not a troll, and have presented everything of my experiences as truthful at least to my own memory.

I'm not trying to fuck with you for fun.

I'm in a similar boat as you, I want too know more about this kind of thing, but I do not wish to join them as in doing so is too pledge loyalty too something that is not the divine/creator/grand designer/Abraxas - I know not its name.
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>>61052362
A wide array of wealthy people who made their money in various ways. Soros, scions of people like Rockefeller and Vanderbilt, the Bush clan, Oil barons, etc. The Wallstreet guys and Ivy League professionals who concentrate in D.C. and New York are their elite servants, and many ascend to the ranks of the truly powerful. The elites are a very loose coalition and part of the reason Trump(who is one of them, albeit a junior member) is rising right now is because they don't have enough cohesion to come up with an effective response beyond throwing money at his opponents and telling their servants in the media to work against him

The Masons were a powerful networking tool for early plutocrats in the 17th-19th centuries when monarchs and aristocrats held all the power. After World War One, the plutocrats were firmly in charge and left the Masons and other obsolete networking tools behind.
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>>61052699

IT IS NOT INSIGHT! - These are merely the opinions of someone who may very well be mad.

They being string pullers, I can't say its the masons, but some stuff I read about Albert Pike rung true with the current situation. That which I read may of been complete nonsense too.
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>>61052793
What do they want to do exactly?

Does it have something to do with this?
>>61052703
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>>61052885
Ah I see, thanks
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>>61001284
I STILL DON'T SEE AN ALIBI.
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>>61052741
Why do you throw weird allusions in many of your posts and talk about Abraxus?

The price of the pledge is only known to initiates, if that isn't crossing a line, I don't know what is...
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>>61052922
I say yes. You can't underwrite thousands of years of work by rabbis, you just can't. The question is how much can you consider doing so, before recognizing this, but some would disagree with my opinion about this.
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>>61052922
They don't have a plan except for very broad goals like "stay in power". They do see the erosion of national borders and white racial identity as good things because nations are obstacles to trade and power consolidation, and white people with a sense of identity and purpose are the only thing capable of threatening them. But even so it's the elite servant class rather than the rulers who are truly driving most of that and they are doing it mostly for banal economic/financial reasons. The rulers help out by funding NGOs, Foundations, etc. to push various causes that they believe will pay dividends in the future
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>>61041754
Masonry does not compete or conflict with Christianity. If anything it'll probably encourage your ties to God because you can't be an atheist and a Mason. Masons also frequently conduct prayers during their various services.
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>>61052426
>concordant
That's what I meant

>not at all
Initiates like to make sweeping gestures. My point is that they are concordant, only at certain degrees, across orders, generally
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i live in the Deep South. Can someone explain to me why there are so many niggers that are Mason's here? I thought it was a white mans club. Some of these nigs here are almost crack head level.
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>>61053107

I'm not an initiate, therefore I am not crossing any lines.

I use Abraxas as a "lack of a better term" kind of thing to help you comprehend what I am trying to say, I've often stated that it would be arrogant of me too act like I know the name of... it..... but "Abraxas" best defines what I am trying to talk about.

As for allusions I thought I was being as clear as I can be but I do acknowledge that due to my poor education its very hard for me to convey exactly what I mean.

I've also stated that I may be utterly wrong about everything too and never made claim to have any definitive knowledge.
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>>61052503
>>61052699
>>61052885
>>61052982
The 3 World War Pike letter probably will come true, whether it was a forgery, or not.

The third temple is bringing the tribulations. It comes to faith, but my problem is the best people in the world seem to have had more faith in themselves, than a G-d who never speaks with them, or cares for them.

There is another inaccessible (it would seem) element, but it is most likely not out of the New Testament, or Koran, but in the full body of the Tanakh maybe, I would say.
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>>61052653
As an institution? No. Also, Kentucky was one of those states who bounces between admitting all, and admitting only Christians. Georgia and Tennessee are the same way.

>>61052676
Not something you have to worry about. Hell, the latter is grounds for expulsion.

>>61053452
Well yea, but being concordant, they're not really much of a thing. Like, the men have to be Masons to join them, but women don't have to have any former connexion for most (some require to be married to an MM).
I read your thing like they both join at X starting point, then meet up at Y. My apologies.
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>>61053334
So just control....

seems boring, thought they had some kind of grand scheme to summon some shit from the 3rd temple

What would they gain from an econ collapse? and why are they trying so hard to "stay in power" when they can just lift a pinky and everything goes in line these days
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>>61005901
>Yes op yes, look at any post saying=
>Just a social mens group
>Share interests
>Have ideals
>Fraternity
>My dad, grandad, uncle, ......
>Etc.
>Then take anything else they say with a slice of bullshit or just reverse it.

this
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>>60998029
They are a secular brotherhood which has so long been a victim of harassment and vile accusations by staunch Christians who practice excommunication. Since membership secrecy was so necessary to avoid being ousted as a "devil worshiper", the rumors and accusations persist to this day, often even encouraged (because the controversy is so intriguing to the sort of people who would be ideal candidates for membership) by members themselves. They actually get a kick out of the wild shit people accuse them of doing, and will go so far as "acting out" the 2spooky4u bullshit just to keep the spaghetti flying.

Or maybe I'm just a Freemason myself and I'm telling you complete lies because even though you know better, all the normie retards only recently being introduced to the basics of this conspiracy will be more likely to dismiss you and we can keep serving the Dark Lord without interference.
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>>60998029
>"The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it.

-President John F. Kennedy
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>>61053107

What is the price of the pledge anyway?
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>>60998029
Is there some kind of significance to the phrase "true gentleman and scholar" in Freemason society? Once had a customer come into my work with a Freemason patch who called me a true gentleman and scholar but I never knew if it had any sort of certain meaning
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>>61054197
It was a compliment.
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>>61054087
Again, it's a good thing Masonry isn't a secret society.

>>61054197
Naw, just one of those sayings. I usually hear it from my (Non-Masonic) friends.
>One of them grabs a round
>"You're a gentleman and a scholar, Dave."
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>>61053662
>Not something you have to worry about. Hell, the latter is grounds for expulsion.
They might fuck you, but not your wife. I have even heard daughters are off limits. I am not sure the ground rules there.
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>>61054290
again..
>We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it.
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>>61053711
>Or maybe I'm just a Freemason myself
U sound like 1
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>>61052170
>Then how come the nation isn't actually getting better? there's debt and all that.
>if the conspiracy shit is bogus, then why are things like how they are now?

What the other guy said. You can simply say that there's not enough Masons. Numbers are not very high in the U.S. and the vast majority of people in power aren't. Instead of people like Benjamin Franklin or George Washington, the iconic examples of Masons, we get... Obama and a very corrupt federal government.

>>61002005
"To be one, ask one." Meaning, if you want to join, you have to ask them about it and get a petition form for membership, not have them ask you out of the blue. It is considered taboo for a Mason to ask you to join since it's all about you seeking to better yourself on your own free will.
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>>61054087
>-President John F. Kennedy
Yeah and how did that work out for him?
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>>61054444
Basically. I mean, because historically gays were never admitted, there just haven't been any rulings made up about that. But yea, part of the obligation says essentially, "Yo dawg, I ain't messing wid no bruthas wife, daughter, mother, niece, or any other female famtbh."

>>61054445
Yup. Good thing it doesn't apply to Freemasonry. People keep bringing it up, though.
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>>61054119
There's the rub.
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>>61053673
They gain nothing from economic collapse per se, though they know how to exploit economic collapse to make a bunch of big moves that they wouldnt normally be able to get away with.

They also aren't as powerful as you think. They all strongly support mass immigration to Europe and America for example, but heir control over that narrative is slipping and it looks like their agenda on that front may even be defeated entirely if Europe keeps up current trends. Trump is single handedly shattering lots of the rules they set up about what can and can't be openly talked about. They are powerful, but their power is financial in nature and that runs up against certain limitations, especially when the environment changes, similar to how the power of the old aristocrats was potent in some circumstances but was useless in an industrialized society
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>>60998029
Started as the first labor union.
Transitioned into a worldwide political organization representing the interests of the upper-middle and low-end-upper class.
Turned into the Pen 15 Club.
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>>61054657

Quite well I'd say!

He stuck to his principles and paid the price for them, but he kept his humanity as opposed to succumbing to fear.
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>>61054570
I assure you I'm not.

But the fact that I'm making you raise questions about what you actually believe as to whether there is any truth in what I'm saying is an indicator of where my alliances lie.
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>>61054691

Not sure I follow, Eternal Damnation?

Glad I never joined!
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>>61054661
Every single word applies directly to freemasonry.
>(you) nuh-uh
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>>61054971
How? It's not secretive, and virtually nothing is concealed, and even that which is, is still widely known.
The only thing people think is still hidden happens to be the boogeyman they've made up in their head.
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>>61055037
>The only thing people think is still hidden happens to be the boogeyman they've made up in their head.
As you probably know, they have a hard time connecting the dots.
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>>61053023
We are from Texas...

Oh my god...
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>>61039418

what is it?
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>In this world, there are two kinds of people -- those who Get It and those who Don't. If the meaning of this is not immediately obvious to you, count yourself as one of the latter.
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>>61055521
It was before the post I replied to, basically a rundown.
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>>61055584

Seems to be forgetting those that that think they get it and yet do not.

Unless of course its referencing wealth....
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>>61054954
Nobody on the outside knows, but my biggest fear is it is to he utterly owned, by the organization. The tradeoff is pretty grand, but the fear is that it would be to join with evil and specifically for me, that the unseen realities of the world would only become visible, when it was too late, trapping me, in my body, for the rest of my life in an altered reality that I may have been better without, yes.
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I am a normal dude and a mason and I have met othe level with t hree reigning monarchs.
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>>61055037
Florida Mason here. Just wanted to stop in to say "Hi" to any brothers out there.

>>61055857
That's some spooky stuff, anon.
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>>61055140
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>>61015702
>>sister taken away for heresy
>>wife taken away for heresy
>>church kills them both

Did you know that the Protestants executed just as many people for heresy as the Catholics?

Or that the main area of executions was in the Rhineland where both faiths were in a fience competition for power and influence?
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>>61056100
Howdy bro. Love your state's programs, even if the latest run of GMs have been... iffy.

>>61055950
I can think of two, but who's the third?
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>>61055804
>Seems to be forgetting those that that think they get it and yet do not.
No. It's not, actually. You just don't Get it.
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>>61054608
>What the other guy said. You can simply say that there's not enough Masons.
Or, you could say that with the given knowledge inherent being corrupt is too enticing.
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>>61056137
>Did you know that the Protestants executed just as many people for heresy as the Catholics?
Nope.

>Or that the main area of executions was in the Rhineland where both faiths were in a fience competition for power and influence?
That is not about heresy.
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>>61056492
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>>61056524
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>>61056185
>I can think of two, but who's the third?
Who are the first two? Can you at least say the two?
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>>61056291

Or perhaps I do and its you that does not?

It seems very obvious too me, many just don't have the capacity too see it then there's those that do, but there's also a lot of people that think the can see it and that quote becomes obvious too them but they are just as blind.

What is the opposite of love?
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>>61056615
>>61056555
>>61056524
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>>60998029
Freemasons built the USA and Brazil. They designed both countries from the very beggining of their independences to the present day. Source: Grand Orient of Brazil speaksman, on a visit i had.

Not even 5 years ago the Pope said that masonic association still isn't compatible with christian doctrines, so ever freemason is auto-excommunicated.

Yes and no.
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Well I'm not sure if this is true or not but my cousin is a mason and he said they are the direct descendants (as far as organization, not bloodline obviously) of the Crusaders.
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>>61056613
>What is the opposite of love?
Ignorance
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>>61056613
I think you're interpreting too much additional information into this "getting it" thing.

Fuck it.

I don't get it either.
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>>61056884

Are you even trying?

The opposite of ignorance would be Knowledge or enlightenment....

But again what is the opposite of love.
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>>61056700
>Yes and no.
What?

Otherwise, I agree with your post and this: Although they make up around half of one percent of Brazil's population, the Jewish community is very active in several aspects of Brazilian society. According Professor Anita Novinsky, a specialist on the Jews at the University of Sao Paulo, "Brazil was made by the Jews."

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vjw/Brazil.html
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>>61056749
>Well I'm not sure if this is true or not but my cousin is a mason and he said they are the direct descendants (as far as organization, not bloodline obviously) of the Crusaders.
Not wrong.
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>>61057040
Unlove
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Bamp
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>>61056589
I shan't if the other guy doesn't want the information volunteered. But think north, and east.
And a couple of "kings" in South East Asia.
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>>61056772
This one was cool, but you are derailing us.

>>61057095
Three Kings of the East, but no one knows what they are.

>>61057040
Just tell us.
>>61057091
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>>61057047
at least 75% of the people living in the northeast follow jewish traditions without even knowing ;)

that candle you grandma told you to lit? yeah little goyim, you're a cultural colonie.
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>>61028209
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>>61057253
The Jews all came from Portugal and founded Brazil on the slave trade and sugar cane.
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>>61057040
Indifference
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>>61057091

Double plus good brother.....

>>61057238

Very well.

The trap I laid was obvious, most would say hate, but hate and love and one and the same.

Too me it seems indifference is the opposite of love and hate.
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>>61057375
Oh come on, this has to be it.

>>61057375
>Indifference
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Satan wants you to believe that the world is an illusion.

He wants you to submit to metaphor.

Love is simple and suffering and eternal and personal.

I'm not sure why anyone wouldn't want to live out their life carried in the arms of their mother to their Father who loves them.

I guess it's a wager.

If I'm not God but I believe that I am, I am damned.

If I am, and I don't, then it doesn't matter, I am.

No wisdom exists above belief in He who created me.

Retro vade satana.


>This thread is now a sacred heart thread.
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>>61057423
So, love and hate are the same and indifference is evil. I can attest pain is definitely the same as love.
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>>61056749
>look up video of Freemason being interviewed
>"When did Freemasonry begin?"
>"What WE need to know about Freemasonry began in 1777 that was when MODERN Freemasonry was created,"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA32LoUDUH8
Hmm, I'll believe it.
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>>61057523
Did I get it correct?
>>61057523
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>>61057628
He's wrong, though... 1717 was when the first Grand Lodge formed to somewhat standardise the system. But it wasn't until 1813 that modern Freemasonry was formed out of the union.
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>>61057628
>modern
Yes, this is the Kabbalists infiltration, but it began earlier in the 18th century.
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>>61057750
Shit, that was a misspell on my part.
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>>61057495
>They will tell you that there is a secret society attempting to get you to lock yourself in the chains of spiritual bondage and establish a New World Order with One World Religion.

>And then they'll tell you that the way to avoid falling victim to their trap is to do exactly the same thing that they claim the secret society is encouraging you to do.
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>>61057750
>1813
>War of 1812
>June 18, 1812 – February 18, 1815
>pure coincidence
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>>61057923
>reverse psychology is too creyzy guise!
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>>61057923
This is a solid argument, tbqhfam.

RIP thread. Best Mason thread I have ever been in.
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>>61057690

Well no, the other poster did.

The point being however Luciferians seem too believe that lucifer = loving and caring which may be true but they seem to forget the bit about hate.

"God" in the biblical sense would therefore be uncaring.

That having been said I still worship that being because it knows what is best and should not be questioned but followed, it does get kinda tricky when that being tells you to do things that contradict it and I kinda sympathise with Lucifer in that regard. Seemed to me that he was damned if he did or damned if he didn't.

The reality therefore is quite horrifying.

What if the creator of all life as we know it is sadistic and likes to watch things suffer?

Then again - what the fuck do I know.
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>>61058281
I think you are steeped in Christian mysticism. The Kabbalah is more cut and dry. Satan is not real and is not equal to G-d, but a tool of G-d.
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>>61037868
A good number of English and German kings have been Freemasons, in addition to a large number of US presidents.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Freemasons_%28A%E2%80%93D%29
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Freemasons_%28E%E2%80%93Z%29
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>>61057831
Naw, I gotcha. He was still kinda wrong.

>>61057996
Kinda. It just culminated from the Dukes negotiations after a sixty(?) year rivalry.
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>>61058532
Duke of York?
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>>61058606
Duke of Kent and Strathearn and the Duke of Sussex. The latter was the first GM of the UGLE.
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>>61057923

>Chains of spiritual bondage.
>New world order.

Misplaced is your faith in the dark side. Nice spin though.

Want to debate theology? Or are you just going to stick to riddles in the dark, because you fear the light of the righteous?
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You seem to be a bit bothered by how much "light" I just shed on the subject.
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>>61058433

I wasn't so much referring to "satan" but Lucifer the fallen angel that wished to remain loyal to... "its" commandments rather than follow its new orders believing it too be a trap as they were contradictory.

Lucifer loved "it" and "it" made him fall from grace, when asked why he didn't bow to Adam Lucifer replied that this is all a test for him, believing that loving that which does not love you back to be the ultimate form of worship.

Or so I've read.

This is after all just one book with possibly zero truths too it.

But I cannot say for sure one way or the other and any man or woman that believes they can may very well be trying too deceive you.

Either way, I am loyal only to that at the top.

We could be living in the matrix to love my creator would be too love the machine that created it.

That was why I mentioned Abraxas so much earlier, although I know not if that is the name the definition of Abraxas best describes what I mean by "it".
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New thread?
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>>61058761
Thank ya.

>>61058800
He is making a strong point. It is held in many orders.

>>61058865
Yes.

>>61058940
Cool, I need a source.
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>>61058865

Catholic Church
>All men have dignity.
>One, Holy, Apostolic
>Communion
>All human beings are Children of God.
>Christ dies for the sins of all men in order that they might have eternal life.
>Man is created, fallen, fallible.

Mystery
>Engineered warfare
>Eugenics
>Tyranny
>Sex Magick
>Blood magick
>Many sects, many secrets
>Murder
>Reality is illusion
>Man is God (bad wager, if you ask me, m8)


>>61059028

You think maybe his point seems strongest to you because you have already accepted that you are right?
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>>61059255
You both make points, I am not a fan of Catholicism.
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