Millions of dollars were spent just so they could find out that there's water on an icy body floating in space. It's not that surprising to me, is it to you? Thought so. And look at those little dots, that's the big discovery they made.
How much money SHOULD be spent in space exploration? Do we spend too much already? By "we" I mean society, or per country, or the EU's space program, whatever you want it to be..
Well million dollars is still a million dollars that could be spent elsewhere
Also the entire Rosetta mission was 1.4 billion euros, which is over 1.5 billion USD
Philae itself cost 220 million Euros. The lander? Just a waste of money as it accomplished nothing, connection was hardly made and now it's lost for good. If that much money was spent on a balloon and a lander sent to Antarctica only to get lost, people would be pissed.
>hours of a day wasted sharpening a rock
>when are we going to put an end to subsidizing these stupid projects
Same argument thousands of years ago. Same reason why space exploration technology is worth it in the long run. Just because you might not see the exponential returns within your lifetime doesn't mean it isn't a good investment.
Also, I think every country should spend MORE. By now we should have already a full defense system against asteroids. I guess we're waiting for something really fucked to happen.
Maybe not, can you explain how this benefits humanity?
Well considering comets have these huge icy tails I never questioned, "is there water in space?" I'm pretty certain one of the most common theories about Earth is that our water came from comets after all.
Invested in space exploration is incredibly important in future-proofing out economy. MORE should be spent on space exploration and scientific programs in general. Not only can these programs create jobs and get those millions of goverment money back into the hands of the citizens, but innovation that can come from these programs will do that same.
I thought space agencies have discovered mineral bearing asteroids that are carrying about sixty times the value of the world's GDP in them. I think any form of space exploration and development is valuable if it leads to insights that can improve living here on earth.
i say we cut benes on worthless neets, then we figure out how to get our asses to space with the extra money
Imagine you're sitting in a village a few thousand years ago, everyone is working hard hunting and stuff, but don't have stone tools. You see this guy sitting on his ass not doing anything, just chipping away at this rock making it sharper.
One guy says hey stop wasting time faggot help us wrassle bush pigs. Another guy says hey wait that looks neat let's see what he manages.
Which would you rather choose?
But I didn't say that either. :(
I guess it'd depend on the division of labor there. On it's own this guy's just a harmless guy sharpening a rock. From their point of view he should be doing his job and helping his own community out
Right. You can have legitimate arguments about the scale of R&D. You just have to caution against those hardliners on either side. There's people who want 0% R&D and people who want 100% R&D and they're both wrong.
Yeah I'm just interested in different perspectives on the subject and I'm not at 0 or 100, I'm not sure where I'm at but I'm not extreme on any of those sides.
Reality becomes more and more like a scifi movie when you take the perspective of the universe being the true "world" and the Earth just being another planet in it. When your whole world is the Earth I can see why you could be extremely against space exploration, so that's not my point of view
Yes sir excuse me sir please sir.
Do you guys want to have a general space thread instead? I'm cool with that..
To look at it from a different perspective I guess I can see why knowing more and more details about this comet with the surviving spacecraft is worth it, as knowing more about small bodies in space can further dispell the myths about them and bring us closer to understanding the formation of planets in our solar system and what they could've possibly contributed to it..
But from an economic standpoint, there's like a huge clash isn't it?
The International Space Station cost over 150 Billion dollars. If you're worried about the cost of the space program, stop sending fragile bags of meat up there. Robots in some ways aren't as flexible and adaptable as humans and in other ways they're much more robust. But one thing they are is much MUCH less expensive. We could achieve much more with them than we can by sending ugly bags of mostly water into orbit to study what happens to ugly bags of mostly water in orbit.
There's good uses for all those things beyond just defense, fortunately I can defend all of those things without having to bring "because muh wars" into the equation!
Send 3D printers and materials into space. The ISS could really just be a huge machine instead of the vehicle that it is. I'm confident it'll happen one of these days, and probably when we start sending people to the moon.
This is why manned missions aren't that big of a focus these days and a lot of work is on sending probes out into space. It's just more efficient to do so.
I am an astrophysicist who analysed some of the data from Philae, and you're right, all these missions are a complete money sink. You'll get shabbos goy like >>60998715 who go "Muh blue-sky research! You don't KNOW it'll be useless information", and this technically true but extremely disingenuous line of argument is what we rely on to pay our salaries.
The deuterium ratios in cometary migrating bodies is indicative of formation beyond the circumstellar snow line? Whoop-de-fucking-woo. All this does is prove that one old guy with a beard's theory of solar system formation is slightly more likely to be right than another old guy with a beard's theory of solar system formation, and so the first old guy with a beard and his research group gets invited to nicer international conferences in Hawaii so he can dick-wave in front of a room full of other old guys with beards. That's the only thing that this knowledge achieves. We all know full well that it will never be useful to anyone ever... except to send us on paid dick-waving vacations to Hawaii.
Scientists are... moderately smart people. We know how to run scams. I work 5-hour days, occasionally shit out 10 pages of technical jargon with a meme title and call it a peer-reviewed paper, and the rest of the time at work I browse Normiebook or plan my next "conference" holiday. All at the taxpayer's expense.
Sorry to dispel any illusions, but we're all complete grifters.
We should literraly he spending ever dime we can so we as a species can get off this prision rock and colonize the stars. Our ancestors are counting on us. Imagine a future where we can litteraly just say " lol fuck shit soins and goat fuckers ill just move to another planet "
It would be glorious
See, THIS would be a good use of money. Work on closed-system life support for colonization missions. As grusome as it sounds, "The most efficient way to drink your own piss" is what helps you colonize other planets.
But for every scientific grant about things that are actually useful, there are twenty like the Philae lander, which are just the incestuous products of scientists telling governments to pay scientists for nonsense makework.