Why do libertarians hate Donald Trump so much? I have a few hardcore

>>60996144
bump

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Voting Rand in the primary and Gary Johnson in the general election. Basically exactly what I did in 2012 if you swapped Rand with his dad.

Since nobody I'm voting for is gonna win, I'd like to see Trump win since he isn't a socialist and will buttblast half the country.

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>>60996144
Why do Libertarians think Rand Paul is anything but an establishment cuckservative? Probably the same way they thought Ron Paul was a libertarian, not a Republican establishment sheepdog like Bernie is for the democrats. That explains why your friend likes Bernie too, he's just politically illiterate and can't tell how they manipulate voters with fake branding.

>why does a libertarian hate an authoritarian

well shit, i dunno

>>60996144
Because libertarianism was infested with leftism long ago, especially the libertarian party (what a suprise that political libertarianism would turn leftwards!).

>>60997280
> Trump is authoritarian
> leftstream media fascist meme
Prove he's an authoritarian, a racist, etc. We have a few months, take your time.

>>60997443
He wants to monitor the internet? You realize this place would probably get shut down as soon as Trump rose to power?

Donald Trump is an authoritarian. Not only the things he has said and his proposals, but his personality.

Because he's not a libertarian.

>>60997189
Basically my exact feelings on the matter as well.

There's really no way of knowing someone is good until they actually get into office and either do good or bad thing.

Although if Trump gets in and actually passes a big tax cut to the main bracket, he'll have earned my vote. If he put in a big 40% tax cut, I and everyone I know would get a raise, and all of our costs of living would drop. It's not nearly as solid as rands tax plan(our tax code really does belong in the fucking garbage) but it's a solid step in the right direction.

>>60996144

Libertarians are republicans in denial, they still think their perfect leftist utopia can work.

>>60997666
>>60997189
>all these "libertarians" focusing on the tax aspect and ignoring the militarism or liberty aspect

>>60997189

>nobody I'm voting for is going to win

>I hope Trump wins

Then just vote for Trump, you goof. Politics is all about choosing the lesser of two evils.

Anything else is a wasted vote in the trash.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAT_BuJAI70

>>60997761
Cutting government spending to a minimum is not a leftist ideology

>>60997189
fag

>>60996144
I used to be a rand supporter. Even donated some money. However, I realized Trump is the only viable first step to getting people on board with Rand's more cerebral ideas. Same reason Ron could never get elected. Trump is like a gateway. Would go into detail about why I think this, but who really cares.

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>>60996144

I'm a libertarian and I support Trump because nationalism, and fuck political correctness.

The rest is secondary at this point.

>>60997893
This logic is profoundly flawed and I think it's actually counter-productive to the democratic process.

The more people believe "X candidate is unelectable" the more true it becomes. People will often just not vote for a candidate because they think they'll never win.

At what point does the number of people who said "I'll pick someone who will actually win" equal a victory for candidate X if all of them went for their original choice?

Shit honestly pisses me off.

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>>60996144
>Why do libertarians hate Donald Trump so much?

Because Trump exposed Rand as a flavor-of-the-month candidate

>>60997594
>>60997559
bullshit

>>60996144
The only libertarians left are leftist SJW faggots

>>60997443
He always talks about monitoring people, retard. Doesn't say anything about NSA, wants to block the Internet for a portion of the world and wants to monitor the Internet a lot more.

>>60996144
He wants to invade countries, continue the drug war, shut the internet off, and basically deport Americans.

>>60998430
Libertarianism is older than Trump or the modern dems.

The Dems were originally a libertarian party and are the oldest party in the US.

>>60997559
This site isn't crawling with Muslim filth, you're confused with reddit

>>60998553
Deny reality all you want Trumpcuck.

>>60998777
I'm a libertarian, and you're an embarrassment if that's what you think.

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>>60998726
>This entire post

>>60998880
>I'm a libertarian

Nah

>>60998905
You have an argument or you just want to post memes?

>>60998777
Nice rebuttal cocknose. Why dont you state some actual facts about why you dont like trump? Oh, the only facts you are are from NBC? Fuck off SJW faggot. Libertarians are so fucking retarded, they just wanna fit in with a group. Your utopia will never work stupid fuck

>>60997866
There are different kinds of freedoms anon, and right now economic freedom is the one we have the least of.

>>60998707
>deport Americans
Brown Americans anon..

This is literally all that matters

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>>60999083
>treating the US as a defense alliance of 50 sovereign states is literally impossible

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>>60999020
Ok then.

Just because a party is pro-free trade compared to the republicans/whigs doesn't mean that it's "libertarian"

They were only pro-free trade because they resided in the south which was a non-industrial economy, the north used nation-wide tariffs to fuel greater northern industrialization.

The Democrats were a puritanical, pro-slavery, pro-free trade, proto-socialist party.

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>>60996144
I don't hate Trump.
But I do not at all want his power tripping ass in the big seat, because I'm not a fucking idiot.

That is all.

>>60996144
Good point. Trump should say he wants to audit the Fed.

Libertarians are just right wing liberals.

>>60999135
Yeah and you're not a libertarian if you don't take the two other main tenets of the ideology seriously.

>>60999381
Accurate in my case.

>>60999241
That made no fucking sense to what I said. Do you need help understanding social ques?

>>60996144

Because Donald Trump is an authoritarian.

Donald Trump has talked about shutting down the internet and said people are foolish for wanting to uphold freedom of speech.

If "Making America Great Again" means losing our freedoms I don't want to be here.

>>60996144
Because they are no longer libertarians, like liberals are no longer liberals. If it makes you feel any better, I'm an anarchist and I like Donald Trump.

I don't hate Bernie either, but if he gets elected I'm gonna laugh at you guys for years as your country crumbles into dust.

>>60996144
>he doesn't do his job like rand
Probably because rand is a politician and trump is a businessman.

>>60999504
Can you not think of any statements by Donald Trump that would tell someone that he doesn't respect civil liberties?

>>60999575
I'm with you buddy

>>60999575
>actually thinking this

60999999 GET

He's polling second with 18% in the Iowa straw poll amongst both Dem and Republican voters.

http://kimt.com/2016/01/14/iowa-straw-poll-results-released/

>>60996144
Because Left Libertarians took over the libertarian movement post 2012.

>>60999290
He did.

>>60999416
>Yeah and you're not a libertarian if you don't take the two other main tenets of the ideology seriously.

That's why the senate is a better place for Rand to be right now. He'll be a really loud voice against him if he steps out of line.

>>60999381
elaborate on what this means

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>>60997443

>WAR, DOMESTIC SURVEIlLANCE, POLICE STATE

Trump is literally Obama

>>60999999

>>61000030
The libs must be culled.

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>>60998079
I care

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It's because Donald Trump is hardcore fascist statist. He wants to bolster the communistic military industrial complex, spy on everyone, tax and spend, increase the scale and scope of government and government authority, regulate, and generally micromanage whatever he can get his grubby Jew Yorker hands on.

That being said, he's K-selective and is a lot less fascist and authoritarian than most other candidates. He's cleaned out all the faux-libertarians of the Tea Party movement from under Rand Paul's base.

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>>60999788
>Iowa straw poll
>relevant

Most candidates don't even attend anymore because it's such a meme. President Michelle Bachmann is a perfect example.

>>60997761
sorry man, Donald Trump is way left of libertarians

>>61000009
I for example, am a libertarian who is also a leftist. I think social democracy would work very well in Massachusetts and we would be better off as a defense alliance of 50 states than a monolithic government always in gridlock.

>>60997280
Trump isn't more authoritarian than hillary or sanders.

>>61000190
This is what needs to happen when an organization is rittled with problem people. His stance on internal spying is not good. He's not perfect. But I do trust him when he says it will stop being used for the wrong reasons.

>>60997217
If you think Rand is a cuckservative, then that would make Trump, Rubio, Cruz, Jeb, all extreme ultra left super socialist liberals.

>>60996144
Because Trump is pretty much a fascist, which is the exact opposite of libertarianism. If you doubt this just look at his comments regarding the NSA, executive authority, the Internet, foreign relations, etc. They've all got fascist leanings.

>>61000403

what does that have to do with what was stated

libertarians don't like them either..

>>60996144

Libertarians, for some reason, absolutely refuse to think about how they should go about pursing their goals. They start with the full package and then shrug when the only thing they can get passed is open borders which sends in millions of big government loving Mexicans.

>>61000552
Yup

>>60997866
The tax aspect naturally fixes most of the militarism and liberty. As with Trump, he says he wants a strong standing military, not a military that gets involved in other people's shit -- this is cheaper. Likewise, surveillance (aka watch literally everyone and everything) won't be as pervasive without the tax dollars to fund it.

If Trump focuses on balancing the budget while also doing a tax cut, we'll see immense liberty improvement.

Cultural Marxism is as big a problem as the fed. Until we weed out cultural Marxism, we have no shot at ever getting the people behind getting rid of the fed. Cultural Marxism needs to end, and if it touches on martial law to get there, I'll take the necessary step in supporting that.

Once the youth live the country again, then we can begin to rebuild it on its foundation. And know how to keep it that way. Trump is a purging.

A necessary purging.

And until that happens, libertarianism will only be a dream.

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>>61000473
>He's different
>He won't get addicted to unlimited power in 8 years
>It'll be fine for future presidents too

>>61000683
>not a military that gets involved in other people's shit

That's not fucking true. He said he would destroy ISIS including their families

>>61000616
>libertarians pushing open borders
WELL MEME'D

>>61000880
One could say that about any candidate you've ever supported.

I believe Trump wants to be thought of as George Washington. He's doing this for legacy, and his values. Just look at his non drug addicts kids to know his values are real. That is unheard of in super rich families.

>>61000886
Don't forget Iran. Trump and Israel would love to start another war there. It would probably be easy for him to justify it too with the current climate between Iran and Saudi Arabia.

>>60999742
Absense of evidence is not evidence of absense

>>61001181
that would be a brutal war too.

>>61001209
No really, I assume that you as a Trumpcuck have kept up with the things he has said and proposed, now why can't you understand why I would say that he doesn't respect civil liberties?

>>60998417
The democratic process has some very deep, underlying flaws already. You're just making those flaws even worse by wasting your vote.

Fact is, when it comes to the main election, vote for the candidate you want to see win out of the two, not the candidate you support (if they're two different people)

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>>60996144
>Why do libertarians hate Donald Trump so much?

He says mean things about illegals. Apparently you're not allowed to enforce the law because someday the law might be enforced on YOU.

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>>61001077
Yeah, but at least Rand says he'll make such actions absolutely illegal. Made it very clear when he told Christie to get a warrant you fat fuck.

>>60996144

I'm libertarian and Donal Trump is plain stupid, he have concerns in the right direction, but he's just too ignorant and stupid to guess how he's doing things and what he's actually gonna do

migration policies for example, his plan with muslims is no one in, that's retarded, that way they're excluding arabs who don't believe or migh believe like a christian protestant, with those criteria they're banning people that might be even more civilized and pro freedoms than the average americunt

>>60999575

I don't know if your a shill or just retarded. He wanted to shut down or subvert ISIS's internets. Not our intertubes.

>>61001473
Right, but your premise was how power corrupts. Focus.

>>61001523
>I'm libertarian and Donal Trump is plain stupid
Either you don't know what the word stupid means in English, or you're incredibly stupid.

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>>61001555
He was very clear in saying he didn't care about the first amendment during the last debate. He literally claimed criminals don't deserve privacy ergo nobody does.

>>61001447
That's not true. It's because he says nothing of substance and is clearly just pandering to the lowest common denominator of the Republican voters. "The Bible is my favorite book guys ;^)"

>>61001379
It's like you completely misunderstood what I said.

I just think libertarians should embrace Trump as he's a means to purging cultural marxism -- the main hurdle to libertarianism ever being implemented here.

>>61001523
Donald Trump has an IQ of over 150. He is the opposite of stupid. You're wrong about his migration policies. Go read the actual press release.

>>61001693
If the power is taken away to begin with, how can it corrupt?

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>>61001765
OK so you're admitting to being a shill and not retarded. Thanks for clearing that up.

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>>61001802
>as he's a means to purging cultural marxism
Yeah. They guys who runs the Miss Universe pageant which puts pussy on a pedestal and celebrates plastic slutty chicks is going to "purge cultural marxism".

BTW, I have this bridge in Brooklyn... It's for sale. Wanna buy it?

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>>61002044
>different ID
>not shilling anything

>>61001802
Honestly why do you guys think will somehow end political correctness? You know that electing Daddy donnie won't make people you don't like go away right?

>>61002013
>not actually being able to do it with congressional support
>start compromising
>changing the way you want to go about it
>corruption

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>>61002174
Meh. Your still a shill.

>>61001523

Spain, didn't your ancestors spend 400+ years trying to remove the kebab? Didn't they succeed?

Why are you such a cuck all the sudden?

>>61002093
Yeah actually. You don't seem to understand what cultural marxism is.

Am I dealing with high schoolers in this thread? Jesus...

>>61002093

Don't forget to take your autism pills young man.

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>randlets

>muh amnesty
>muh free trade
>muh flat tax

you people are retarded

not shocking considering you'll stay home or throw away your vote just cause shorty didn't win

>>61002299
8 years of redpilling can work wonders.

>>61000802

first people need to realize what cultural marxism actually is though

right now its the same thing the feminists pull with whoever doesn't agree with my view

>>61000886
He's made three statements regarding interventionism:

1. He doesn't believe we should interfere with the Russians and that we should let them fight isis

2. Isis is a clear a present danger that must be utterly destroyed

3. Its not our job to protect the world, if they want our protection, we should get something out of it.

I don't think he falls on the normal isolasionist-interventionist paradigm

His thinking seems more 19th century in that its National interest first, fuck the world

ITT: Authoritarian slime trying to shove Trump's domestic policy down our throats.

>>61001181
That's not true, he's never stated that he wants war with Iran.

The only thing he has said is that he thinks the nuclear deal was a lousy one and wont stop them from getting nuclear weapons

However he has said that he believes nuclear weapons to be the most dangerous threat to the united states, so who knows what he would do to stop them from gaining nuclear weapons

ITT: angry randlets who will soon be more irrelevant than they already are

>>61000190

Doing away with political correctness is enough, removing kebab is enough.

I agree with Trump's stance on most things, I also like that he's proven he doesn't need to dirty his hands with special interest groups.

He's a smart fella who seems like he really wants to fix America from a pragmatst point of view. His history is pretty spotless and has no criminal activity, he was also in my grandfathers graduating class at NYMA.

If there was dirt on him, the left would be all over it. But there isn't any dirt, so all they can do is try to blow everything he says out of proportion.

>>61002517
>You don't seem to understand what cultural marxism is.
I know for a fact that parading plastic sluts in a multicultural shit-fest of fake glamour is EXACTLY part of cultural marxism.

But don't let facts stop you from sucking Trump's elderly cock.

>>61000030

>implying anyone can dial back the policed state

At least Trump doesn't lie about it. He wants to crack down on mudslimes and personally I think that's a good use of surveillance.

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>>60996144
Much like Paul they haven't given up on the US Republic yet.
Rand is still my first choice, but I've switched to Trump because Paul gets laughed out of the building by both sides of politics just for having the audacity to still believe in The Constitution.
When every politician has deemed The Constitution as a hindrance to their agenda, and the American people themselves seem out to destroy it in one way or another, you might as well pick the guy who might just outright seize power and start a dynasty rather than watching everything you love slowly die.

The difference between a Paul supporter and a Trump supporter is that Paul supporters haven't fallen yet.

>>61003170

Trump is on your side, you just don't like that he wears a suit and not camoflage.

>>61003170
Women should go back to depending on their beauty, personality, and warmth. Not business competition with their husbands.

You are wrong.

>>61003027
I know he hasn't said he would, but considering his seemingly limited grasp of foreign affairs and the fact that most of his supporters are the kind of people who think a war with Iran is a good idea It seems inevitable if he were elected.

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>>61001784
>It's because he says nothing of substance

"Let's not let in a bunch of 'Syrians' in by the thousands when our own FBI admits we can't even hope to run background checks on them all" seems pretty substantial. Maybe common sense is overrated these days.
"Let's deport illegal immigrants who commit violent crime and take up jobs from American citizens" sounds pretty standard too.
"Let's implement tariffs to ensure that American companies can't just outsource thousands of jobs because 3rd worlders will work for free" is a pretty good idea.

In fact, a lot of his ideas worked out rather well under Eisenhower. The tariffs, deportation (Ike deported 6+ million illegals, the damn nazi fascist!), even our public highway system. Though I guess that last point won't win any favors with you, considering it was done with American taxdollars.

If it makes you feel better, it won't be the US that pays for the wall :^)

>and is clearly just pandering to the lowest common denominator of the Republican voters.
>"The Bible is my favorite book guys ;^)"

Ok you got me there. I'll never deny that Trump isn't a manipulative, pandering fuck.

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>>61003397
>Trump is on your side
Trump is an egomaniacal self-serving power hungry conniver who knows how to milk a crowd of fucking morons with one-liners and juvenile personal attacks. He IS the establishment and proudly admits to lobbying and rigging the government in his favor for personal gain.

But yeah. Keep thinking he actually gives a shit about you. Better yet, ask him for a free weekend in his finest hotel to prove it!

>ITT stubborn nitpicking faggots

Would you rather 8 years under hillary?

We got ~15 yeras until the islamoliberal state becomes populace so we need to come to consensus about our survival strategy now.

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>>61002323
>I don't have an argument
>Better call him a shill
low IQ detected

>>61003162
He's had a very shady past with mafia dealings. He is very smart but he's got the type of personality that easily gets addicted to power and goes overboard with draconian policies. I think he'll undo a ton of damage that the past 8 presidents have inflicted, but I think he'll still play fast and loose with the constitution and tax and spend shit. He definitely has motive to continue propping up the housing bubble too.

All that being said, if Rand loses, he's the obvious least worst viable choice for most libertarians. That's really sad though, because he's an authoritarian statist that scarcely even pays lipservice to liberty.

>>61003742
>is the establishment
>establishment hates him and likely a brokered convention

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>>61003742
>le angry manlet meme

haha i like it.

Too bad Rand sold out to the establishment and the kikes years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bOeYFUphWo

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>>61003511
>plastic sluts are beautiful
Keep proving me right, you dumbass. /new/ would be eating you alive. Apparently /pol/ wouldn't know cultural marxism if it slapped you and demanded you call it "xir".

>>61003742
If Hillary came out an admitted taking money for favors and wanted to do away with that, I might even consider her.

You seem to miss Trump's point completely. Good business requires that. He is a good business man. He wants to make it so good business IS NOT THAT anymore. He sees what it's doing to the country. How hard is this to understand?

>>61003742

The government is full of sharks.

If you're a politician, you're in it for power.

Trump admits he's in it for power but also outlined his strategy for ousting the other sharks.

If he wanted to, he'd run as a liberal and play the PC game, but it wouldn't be nearly as fun nor as genuine.

Trump's entire life is a success. Look at his children, all 6 of them are successful and well adjusted. Most people can't even have 2 kids without fucking up one.

Now he has 7 grandchildren and believes the best thing he can do for them is to protect the world for the future. The time to dilly dally and vote for weak-willed manlets is past. We need a strong leader to make America his business and pull us out of the 3rd world fire.

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>>61003948
>establishment hates him and likely a brokered convention
...They love him. He brings in HUGE ratings, keeps the general public in stupid-mode, and he'll sell out for a billion dollars.
He's the establishment dream candidate.

You actually believe the puppet show the media is putting on? How fucking naive are you?

>>61003963
I don't support Rand, you fucking moron.

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>>61003823
>He's had a very shady past with mafia dealings

>retarded randlets actually believe this

You know he has passed the casino licensing for decades, right?

You can't pass that shit if you even have the slightest tie to any criminal or criminal enterprise

Hefner failed to pass for witnessing a bribe in his early 30s

Hilton failed for being close friends with someone who was married to a mafia person

You are retarded and very wrong

>>61004021
Look, you're just not an intelligent person. Let the adults handle this. You'll reap the benefits as well.

Because Libertarians are cucks who want to see the border overrun and watch our children remain unemployed and our women raped.

>>61004201
>You seem to miss Trump's point completely. Good business requires that. He is a good business man.

And you seem to think that being a sneaky conniving self-serving snake oil salesman is a good thing.
Then you'll turn around and complain about how America is going into the shitter. It's because fucking idiots like you have the right to vote. Universal suffrage was a horrible mistake.

>>61004284
>thinks the GOP establishment loves Trump.

Look, I can't argue with an idiot. Have to know when to call it quits.

>>61004378
>Let the adults handle this.
Adults, mature people, don't vote for someone because he talks shit. Niggers and other assorted dumbasses fall for banter. Intelligent people look at facts and records and data and make calculated decisions.

>>60997189
I would do this if I am sure Trump will win. If I am unsure I'll vote for him

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>>61004284
>I don't support Rand, you fucking moron.

>posts lolbertarian flags all thread
>posts the same anti-trump memes every randlet regurgitates
>surprised when people mistake him for supporting the one libertarian candidate

well sorry friendo

>>61004201

please fucking tell us how he's doing that

>>61004810
Pls stop newport guy

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>>61004575
>thinks the GOP establishment loves Trump.
Why wouldn't they? He's one of them. You think they hate him because they feign outrage? Can;'t you spot fake outrage when you see it?

/n/ and /new/ would have never fallen for this obvious hoodwinking. We really have been flooded with normalfags and redditors.

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>>60996144

Because all libertarians care about is weed and Muh Fed.

They're so butt-blasted over Donald Trump it's hilarious. Just go to a place like Ron Paul Forums and read any random thread that even mentions Donald Trump. It triggers them and they sperg out like the autists they are.

>>60998079
I partly agree, Trump seems to have more affect on PC culture which is a current road block

>>61004668

>talk shit

>banter

It's called not being a coward.

Trump has literally "named the jew" on several occasions. Thankfully he doesn't need to answer to any Islamoliberals so it doesn't effect him that much.

That being said, Trump sticking his neck out for everyone here. He didn't have to risk himself but he did.

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>>61004930

Oh, and a lot of them would vote for Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump merely out of spite.

Fuck them. They have no intention of Making America Great Again.

>>61004898
?

i don't get the meme, sorry :^(

don't smoke newports, not a nigger

>>60996144

>country is about to get steam rolled by 8 years of socialism or criminal Clinton rule.

>durr I think I'll waste my vote on a 3rd party candidate with no lead who won't win

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAT_BuJAI70

Seriously, don't be spiteful. Trump is our ticket to getting our collective foot in the door.

>>61004857
He's not omnipotent. But the first step in solving a problem is exposing it and acknowledging it. For this alone, he is light years beyond all other candidates. He may not be able to solve it.

I anticipate a course of action though. He's far from through. I can think of a few ways.

>>61005056
>They have no intention of Making America Great Again.

Neither does Trump.
Unless you can show us some evidence to the contrary.
Tell us, has Trump fired all the illegals working for him? Has he reported those illegals to ICE for deportation?
Does he employ Muslims?
What is his opinion of Israel?

>>61005033
No. It's called talking shit because dumbasses like you eat it up. Dumb people don't understand concepts like economics and foreign relations. They understand "my opponent is a stupid fuck" and clap like genuine retards every time Trump makes some low-brow ad hom attack.

>I'd BOMB THE SHIT out of them!
Yeah, okay bud. And the tax costs and complete pointlessness of that completely passes over your head, doesn't it?

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>>61004904
>the gop establishment loves Trump
>which is why they've been fighting him tooth and nail at every turn
>which is why they've considered every possible method to avoid giving him the nom

...ok

>everyone who disagrees with me is a normie from reddit

now thats just embarrassing

>>61005424

i said tell us how he's doing that

>>61005651
>people who like him are stupid
>he shouldn't call people stupid

This coming from the kid who thinks the GOP establishment loves him.

Don't you have some homework to do?

>>60996144
>I have a few hardcore Rand Paul fans that talk so much shit about donald and how he is stupid and racist
>Jew Paul fans
There's your reason mate

>>60997559
/thread

>>61005782
I can't do that because he has not laid out a plan on that particular issue yet.

Are you suggesting that this means he won't? On what do you base that?

He has named it as a major problem I will be very dissapointed if he does not attempt anything. But it's far to early in all this to assume disappointment.

>>61006205
He was talking about ISIS communication venues. You /threaded a non issue. And enough people can see past your bullshit to make you irrelevant. Thank God.

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>>61005777
>which is why they've been fighting him tooth and nail at every turn
They haven't been fighting him tooth and nail you stupid bastard. They have been PRETENDING to fight him tooth and nail so dumbasses like you buy the gag and carry on as the puppetmasters want.

The GOP establishment has enough power and pull(AIPAC in their corner for example) that if they actually wanted Trump to not be the #1 guy, he would not be the #1 guy.
They would have falsified some kind of evidence to destroy his character, like saying he had underage girls prostituting in his hotels or some shit like that.

No one becomes the #1 frontrunner unless the people in power want him there. That's how this fucking game works. These guys killed a US president in a televised parade in open daylight in one of the most populous cities in the US. They don't let someone against their interests take the lead.

If they wanted Trump gone, a tragic undiscovered heart condition would be a simple solution to the problem.

>>60997559
OH SHIT THEY'RE ARE GOING TO SEE MY ANIME PLAYLIST.

>>60996144
Being Libertarian, I don't exactly like Trump's more authoritarian way of solving problems, however I will say one thing. We need a bit of show of force to remind the world that America is not to be fucked with and will not be taken advantage of. Just this once for a while.

After Trump though, I'm hoping he fractures the Republican party or forces them to stop being cucks. A fracture could help the Libertarian party gain more popular support in theory. I do like Rand and think he could unfuck things, but Trump is not our enemy in practice, only theory and I think he'll do fine.

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>>61005651

>Neither does Trump

Except he does. Let's compare and contrast his positions with Libercucks.

Illegal Immigration:
>Trump: Wants to deport every illegal immigrant and build the Wall.
>Libertarians: Either call for open borders or are too afraid of Muh Police State to take the necessary measures. Some even possess the wackier notion that third-worlders will cease wanting to leave the third-world just because we killed the welfare system. Oh, and forcefully deporting illegals is a violating of Muh NAP.

Islam:
>Trump: Wants a temporary shutdown of Muslim immigration to the United States until the threats in the Middle East are properly put down. He would also properly place surveillance on Mosques suspected of radicalizing individuals.
>Libertarians: Believe that America should cuck herself to Islam because of Muh NAP and essentially believe that Islam has done nothing wrong.

Libertarians are just too weak to build anything great.

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>>61006541

Go away, defeatist shill. Your kind isn't welcomed here.

>>61006541
>PRETENDING to fight him tooth and nail
How's that tin foil fitting?

No, you've totally convinced me. You're so right! I didn't see it before now!

>>61006722
>strawman everywhere

You got nice dubs tho. Too bad they were wasted on this post desu.

>>61006261

is that it

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>>61006854

Except they're merely simplifications of positions that many libertarians hold. Their paranoia of anything resembling authority causes them to incapable of building anything great.

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>>61006541
>this whole post

holy shit m8, seek psychiatric help immediately

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>>61006722
>his positions
What he SAYS and what he's DONE are two different fucking things you stupid shit.

What has he DONE to the illegals employed by his companies? What has he done with the Muslims working for his companies?

What he says means absolutely fuck-all. Words are just words. Only actions matter, and so far his actions do not align with his words. But you wouldn't know that. You're a fucking dumbass who actually believe he gets a choice in who becomes the POTUS.

>>61006870
Yes. How can I tell you how he is going to do it when he hasn't laid out his plan yet?

Lol is this your argument?

>>61006999
>Except they're merely simplifications of positions
Reductio ad absurdum is laughable.
>Their paranoia of anything resembling authority causes them to incapable of
Strawman and reductio ad absurdum.

I used to really like Rand, I still do, but its very difficult when his entire base has been exposing themselves as unintelligent over emotional faggots unable to think two steps ahead.

>>61007123
>>61006851
>>61006844
Trump's actions prove me right though.

You're in denial or functionally retarded.
I'm betting none of you own land or a business, and would be forbidden from voting back when the US only allowed proven capable white anglo men that charge.

There was a good reason they didn't let every tom/dick/harry vote back then.

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>>61006722
>>61006844
>>61006999

>Those two doubles and that one single trips.

Eat shit, Libercucks. America will be great again. Trump will reign and force you selfish shekel-worshippers to contribute to the Community.

Heil.

>>60998343
Same, family. Also pretty racist. I think libertarianism could only work in a homogeneous (white) society

>>61007457
>Trump will reign and force you selfish shekel-worshippers to contribute to the Community.
Communism? I mean, that's what you seem to be espousing here.

>>61007443
There was a good reason they didn't let everyone vote back then? Sound kind of anti libertarian. One might even say...trump like.

There was good reason?

Yes. Yes their was. And libertarianism disagrees. Lol, jesus kid.

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>>61007443
>There was a good reason they didn't let every tom/dick/harry vote back then

You mean in the 45 years property voting rights lasted?

>>61007247

you claimed he was going to do something with no indication as such

both of you have nothing

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>>61007142

>What he SAYS and what he's DONE are two different fucking things you stupid shit.

No shit, you autist. I'm willing to wait and see what we get when he comes to power since we have nothing really to lose.

>>61007433

I'm still right about their positions. Read any libertarian message board and you'll see exactly what I'm saying.

>>61007581

>Le Community=Communism meme.

Stop being such an antisocial faggot, you defeatist.

Libertarian leaning Trump supporter here.

Trump may not be the most liberty friendly candidate. However, social justice is the biggest threat to liberty and in order for the Constitution to survive, social justice must die. Electing Trump would be the best way to show that social justice has no power, so therefore Trump is the best candidate for libertarians.

Still butthurt over him losing. Jealous Trump is actually succeeding.

t. Ron Paul Libertarian

>>61007763
Libertarian =/= pro-democracy

In fact, with a few exceptions, we generally denounce democracy because it leads to oligarchy.
Banning a person from voting does not infringe on his property rights, or right to life.
It just makes sure retards can't ruin a good thing.

Hoppe for example supports the idea of absolute monarchies.

>>61007911
>Read any libertarian message board
If I want to read about a fucking candidate I will read his government plan.

>>60996144
libertarians love trump

>>61008296

I'm talking about what libertarians in general believe; not a specific candidate.

>>61008022

seconding this.

we must prioritize threats in the present and long term.

>>61008481
I don't care about libertarians. You can't fucking vote a group of people like them for president.

>>61007910
He has said he would. If he never has a plan, then you will be correct. Your speculation that he never will is useless. He has been announcing plans slowly. That is the trend that has evidence.

>>61007911
Again, I ask you.
What has Donald Trump done to the illegal immigrants he employs? Has he fired them and reported them to ICE?

If he hasn't even done that much, what in the blue hell makes you think he's gonna do a god damn thing to mexcriment when he's POTUS?

Also, what makes you think he'll be allowed to do anything to mexicans as president? He'll need the backing of congress and SCOTUS to do anything, and they don't seem amicable to playing ball with Trump, if the media circus is to be taken at face value.

You do realize the office of POTUS is not some all-powerful position, right?

>>61008593

you are the only one speculating, i'm going by the hard data we've got

>>61008865
Trump has stated he will end it.
I give him the benefit of the doubt on this and await the plan. You simply don't trust him. That's fine. But not a logical reason for one that does.

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>>61008625

>Le Separation of Powers

Kek. Congress will be run by the GOP and Trump would have such a huge mandate that they would be committing career suicide by not going along with him.

As for the Supreme Court, Trump will be able to stack the court in his favor once a few die/retire, and a whole lot of them are getting old.

>You do realize the office of POTUS is not some all-powerful position

Except it's powers have been greatly expanding for decades.

And it's futile to talk about how he currently ran his company in regards to illegal immigrants. He used them for labor because it was cheaper. But as President, his priorities change, because him failing as President destroys his entire brand.

>>61008865
If we are to just disbelieve a candidate, and that is your default, what good would an announced plan be?

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>>61008625
>claims Trump is establishment
>says GOP establishment members wont support him

it can't be both

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>>60997189
I'm in the same boat, but I'm not going to vote for Trump. what is scary about Trump is that he has no regard for jurisprudence, rule of law, or the constitution. He's the same kind of meme candidate that Obama was and we've already seen where that kind of leadership got us. If Rand doesn't win, (he won't) then Gary Johnson has my vote.

>>61001447
Most of us don't actually care about illegals being deported as long as there is so much cucked entitlements in America.

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>>61009059
>Kek. Congress will be run by the GOP and Trump would have such a huge mandate that they would be committing career suicide by not going along with him.

That's not how politics work. POTUS takes orders from AIPAC and the banking cartel.

>And it's futile to talk about how he currently ran his company in regards to illegal immigrants. He used them for labor because it was cheaper. But as President, his priorities change, because him failing as President destroys his entire brand.
You literally just said that despite the FACT that his actions prove he is not at all in the slightest against illegal immigration, he's suddenly going to become Hitler 2.0 and Make America Great Again™.

Holy fuck you really are a god damn moron.
If Trump said he was a super saiyan, you'd believe him even without seeing him power up.

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>>61009461
>gary johnson

You're in luck! you can submit your vote early at any public park

>>61009372
.missing the "if the media circus is to be believed" part in my post

You're sharp as a fucking tack, Poindexter.

>>61009649

> POTUS takes orders from AIPAC and the banking cartel

Back to /x/, defeatist.

He wants to ban ISIS recruiting sites and nothing more you idiots.

>>60997594
>His personality

He isn't a wet noodle you mean. Leave it to libercuckians to vote for a mild mannered cuck

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>>61009649
>That's not how politics work. POTUS takes orders from AIPAC and the banking cartel.

dear god

only even skimming through these autistic ramblings at this point, this is still comedy gold

>>61010346
Low energy. Low brain power. Bad genetics.

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>>61009867
It's not debatable that the largest lobbying group in DC is AIPAC and that they control US politics.
/n/ knew this. /new/ knew this. /pol/ used to know this.

This place is infested with JIDF.

I'm a libertarian. Donald Trump is far from the perfect candidate, but he is miles ahead anyone else. Whenever someone brings up A Sanders economic plan, I want to smash my head through a fucking wall.

May the god emperor bring peace.

>>61010754

No. You're just a defeatist.

In fact, if anyone is JIDF, it's you; attempting to instill a defeatist and loser mindset into people.

>>61010884
This

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>>61011045
>No. You're just a defeatist.
How am I a defeatist?
Because I don't believe a man who currently has illegal immigrants under his payroll and refuses to fire them and report them for deportation because he cares more about his own personal profit over the laws of the US will actually do a god damn thing to make america great again?

Yeah. Fucking hell I'm stupid for looking at a man's actions and using that as a way to gauge his true character.
I should just believe what he says because he has lots of money and charisma!

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>>61011532
>ecause I don't believe a man who currently has illegal immigrants under his payroll

Libertarian, and for Trump only because Hillary is evil incarnate, and Sanders is going to kill the economy as he seizes power from citizens. Everyone votes with their wallet, so Make America Great and Shit.

>>61011838

we don't need proof according to

>>61009053
>>61009232

>>61011967

I'm behind this.

Trump is the only one who's plans, short of making SJWs look like total losers, isn't going to ruin everything.

>>61011838
It's like google isn't a thing.
http://www.businessinsider.com/undocumented-immigrants-donald-trump-hotel-report-2015-7

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>2016
>not supporting unemployment insurance, medical coverage regardless of income, environmental protections, public lands, public spending on infrastructure, a strong national defense, and national parks
>being a lolbertarian in 2016

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>>61012250
>which he didn't know about
>court finds him innocent of any wrongdoing
>workers no longer in his employee

read things before posting my retarded libertarian friend

>>61012105
>thinks because Trump hasn't released all his proposals, one should expect no others shall come.

Not a warrior of logic, are ya?

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>>61012398
>which he didn't know about
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

>>61012550

>trump will do this
>no evidence of such
>just trust me

yes yes, continue to put blind faith into your not-politician politician

>>61012724
>believe my guy not your guy
Give up already. Lol you're awful at this.

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>>61012673
>multi-billionaire with hundreds of businesses monitors every project down to employment records
riiiiiiiiiiiight

>workers not employed anymore

Your original statement was already a lie

Why would your word or opinion be worth shit exactly?

>>61012362
get out commie