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If humans are meant to eat meat then why are the top causes of death predominantly caused by consumption of animal products in developed countries?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju7-n7wygP0 [Embed]

Vegans: 2, Carnists: 0

>plants have feelings too
>circle of life though
>bacon
>what would we do with all the animals?
>protein
>God says it's okay
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I just don't care.
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>>60992473
Animals aren't humans
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>>60992694
>only humans can suffer
you wot m8?
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Go choke on a sunflower seed Ahmed.

I'm not about to start feeding my cat carrots whilst I suck on an onion.
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>>60992826
Who is telling you to do that?
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>>60992473

>vegan cries about mammals
>ignores the extremely healthy and prevalent fish diets pretty much universal to humanity

zzz
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>>60993543
>ignores the contaminants present in fish
There's a good reason pregnant and nursing women are not supposed to consume seafood.
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>>60993543
Enjoy your heavy metals residue and isotopes.
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>>60992473
Omnivores: 48471548292

Because humans are Omnivores, faggot
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>>60992473
Human are meant to eat meat because we are omnivores with teeth specifically for eating both meat and vegtables.

>People with brains: 1
>Vegan: 0
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>>60993840
>>60993949

>Implying that water contamination and eating fish are somehow the same thing, as if for tens of thousands of years prior to industrialization it wasn't serving human needs

"b-b-but there's mercury!" Yeah you got me anons. Vegan is king because of a century of metal poisoning. Whoo!
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>>60993162

That is exactly the type of thing vegetarians do. You're wasting your time posting this tripe.
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domestic pigs and cattle
>domesticated for the purpose of breeding for food

dog
>wolf domesticated for labour, defensive purposes and hunting

Slitting throat of an animal is not a humane killing because animal suffers from it.
That's why in Poland we outlawed ritual slaughter practiced by kikes and goatfuckers.
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>>60993949
Entirely down to human pollution of the oceans and doesn't reflect natural healthy consumption of fish in pre-industrial times and doesn't bear true in freshwater-exclusive fish (ie ones that don't migrate upstream from the ocean)
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>>60994242
Don't forget freshwater fish which aren't exposed to the heavy metals that accumulate in the oceans
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I had a dream that someone was breeding mass quantities of amblyomma americanum and releasing them in public places. Sure would be awful if someone did that in real life.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amblyomma_americanum#Meat_allergy
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>>60993949

>implying isotopes didn't give Spiderman and Hulk their powers

I eat tuna pretty much every day and am shredded bruh. Great source of protein and I think the radiation helps my lifts.
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It is harsh, yes. Cruel? Yes. But this is what happens when the human population is too high and their high demands for meat. Could it be better? Absolutely. But this is the quickest and least costly way of delivering it from the slaughter houses into your home.

If a majority of the population went vegan this could be drastically reduces but we don't live in such a world. So this is how it must be.
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>>60992473
It is a source of protein and nutrition, the animals body is sustinance
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>>60992473
>>60993276
>>60993430
These are perhaps the worst strawman comics I have ever seen.
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What is not broken shall not be repaired
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>>60994787
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>>60994931
>butchery is some kind of maniacal orgy of violence
ebin
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>>60994658
I heard if you eat enough of it you'll shoot gamma rays out of your anus.
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>confusing culinary practices with the principles of eating meat

Wow OP is bad. You do know that a lot of weird recipes are just the result of people not wanting to just eat the same stew every day, right?

Imagine someone made a comic talking about all the environmental damage associated with veganism from top to bottom, and how stupid that would be. If you don't want to eat meat it's your life, but if you try and stop omnivores from eating it well...

...humans are meat. ;)
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>>60994931
i like these pls post moar.
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people should stop being whiny bitches and go vegan
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>>60994242
>>60994380
Bitch calm your little gyno tits you little cunts. Yeah it was healty to eat fish now it's not anymore, where the fuck did I said I was sucking cucumber. Focus you adhd faggots, focus. Such lust for replies.
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>>60995233
>stop being whiny bitches
>go vegan
incompatible.
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>>60995233
>Civilization allows you to live to be 100 by eating a plentiful supply of food
>As a result, people die because of things like heart disease and cancer
>instead of having a life expectancy of 30 and dying of any number of diseases or predators or freezing to death in nature

Yuppies.
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>>60995078
Leftists are mentally ill and sociopaths.
They project their own insecurities on to others.

They hate guns because they don't trust them selves with them, ergo they are incapable of trusting others.
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>>60992473
>that comic
So in other words all Vegans are psychopaths incapable of understanding emotion?
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>>60995595
Unless they are endowed with authority from the state.
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>>60995182
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>>60993430

Thank you for posting this comic and making me realize fruit are just plantlife afterbirth.
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>>60992473
I fixed your image OP
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>>60995537
the longest living people eat vegan or almost vegan (blue zones)
but it's not only about number of years but also quality of life. modern medicine is good at keeping wrecks alive but preventing strokes, heart attacks etc is better
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I've seen old people and how they live. I'd rather eat delicious red meat a few times a week and die in my 60s or early 70s than subsist on tree bark and sand until I'm senile at 80 and dead at 90.

You only live once so you may as well live.
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>>60996127
I enjoy my current diet as a vegan more than I enjoyed my diet as a carnist. Tastes change. You can even consciously change them.
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>>60992473

It's not illegal to kill your dog, it's only illegal only to make it suffer.
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>>60996224
>I like food
>Why don't you like my food ?
Also they kill the anime whitout making it suffer

/thread
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>>60996338
Animal*
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>>60995547
where's the strawman?
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>>60996224
But you can also consciously not change them, and that seems a lot better
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I AM SILLY
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>>60996224
Good for you. Personally, I think a vegan diet tastes like shit and bacon tastes awesome. Fortunately, we both get to eat what we want.
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>>60996338
do you really believe that? even extreme suffering is very, very common. and it's never without any.
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>>60996552
literally this
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>>60996224
I rather doubt that, given that you feel compelled to whine about it on an imageboard on 4chan. Not even /ck/ or some place where people might actually be stupid enough to believe you, but on /pol/, a place totally immune to your bullshit.
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>>60996739
Even is they kill the animal with suffering


why i should care ? is tradition and a lot of dishes contain meat and i am not going to give up tradition for feelings
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Such shit makes me wonder

Did they too had vegans in 300 AD?
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>>60996739
I'm okay with that.
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>>60996739
i heard the more the animal suffers the better it tastes
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>>60994349
All this projection
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>>60996781
there are at least as many vegans than elsewhere, probably more.
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>>60994658
Enkoy your blood toxicosis
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>>60992473
>If humans are meant to eat meat then why are the top causes of death predominantly caused by consumption of animal products in developed countries?
Check the correlation between death and water consumption faggot

also
>youtube as a proof
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>>60996975
Yeah, the difference is I can't fucking identify them when they post because they don't WHINE about it constantly. That's only faggots who seek validation.
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>>60996867
>muh tradition
>>60996893
not what a non lowlife would say
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>>60992473
Most people here want to die. I dont think your argument will hit home like it does against reactionary normies.
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>>60994931
>>60993430
>>60993276
>>60995998

Literally "I AM SILLY"
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>>60997127
>Flag
discarded
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>>60994787
They're all based on real counterpoints that vegans face

>tfw i am 6'1" pushing 190 pounds.
>tfw i am still regarded as underweight by my unhealthy peers.

Meat is degeneracy
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>>60992473
I think being a vegan is cool and I want to do it. What are your dietary staples and how can I eat them on a shoestring budget?
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>>60992473
Trick question, people are not meant to eat pork.
>carnists
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>>60996899
>straya in for the kill
VEGANS BTFO
VEGANS ON SUICIDE WATCH
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>>60992473
>not killing the animal yourself
>not charring their hair
>not gutting them and salting them up
>not staking them like your great grandpa would a T*rk
0/10 fuck that shit
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>>60996406
It's not arbitrary. They eat wild animals and animals domesticated for meat, while working animals aren't eaten (dogs, cats, etc.)
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Dogs were there for us when we wuz cavemans n sheit
I think dogs have earned a right to be a protected species.
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>Vegans can't understand the difference between eating a pet dog and an animal bred for consumption
>Vegans can't understand that violence isn't the goal when eating meat
This is the slippery slope from telling people that niggers are human
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>>60997245
>you are not part of the shitposting trio of canada, australia, and romania

Go away bergermeister. Dont you have cholesterol to injest?
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>>60997190
>this is what delusional, malnourished vegans really believe
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Tell me, what are poo in the loo statistics for death by malnourishment?

This meme that "EATING THINGS THAT PREVENT YOU FROM STARVING KILLS YOU" needs to stop.
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>>60995934
I love you.
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>>60996406
>carnivorous animals that only eat certain animals are confused that animals are carnivorous but only eat certain animals
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>>60997427
Nice try mehmet.
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>>60996406

>implying cats and dogs won't eat the shit out of any meat you give them and think you're a rad pack leader for it
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>>60992473
>If humans are meant to eat meat then why are the top causes of death predominantly caused by consumption of animal products in developed countries?


thats wrong though. most problems are caused by excess grains and high glycemic carbs. fats and real meats are healthy as fuck.

dairy is fucking poison and processed meats are no good. even excess fruit is shit for you. vegetables are mostly ok in any amount.
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We should eat meat because it's good for our bodies and they'd do the same if they were stronger. Replace every animal with a lion, do you think they'd be all ''Aw, they have feelings. leave em alone.''

No. It's nature.
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>>60997127
>not what a non lowlife would say

Now you see, here I am being polite and accepting of you pursuing your lifestyle choice even though I disagree with you and you have to start throwing out the insults. This is why people don't like vegans; you're all so intolerant and judgmental.
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>>60997491
Cats and dogs are carnivores. Why are you trying so hard?
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>>60996406
Cats and dogs are both carnivorous. Cats will eat their owners when they die.
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>>60997305
it's a slav thing, koline
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>>60992473
>Implying humans were even meant to live 80 years
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>>60997190
>Canacuck
YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS SHIT UP
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>>60992473

There is no getting around the fact that this


>plants have feelings too

isn't what anyone ever says with arguing with a vegan. What they're saying is, plants are living things, too. You're not against the killing of living things, you're against the killing of warm-blooded mammals because you find it a whole lot easier to get offended by slaughter of a cow or pig than by a fish or amphibian or insect.

If we advocate for eliminating the needless taking of all living things' lives, then that's an argument that makes sense. Unfortunately, it leaves us with very little options as far as what we can and cannot eat.

I personally can't stomach slaughterhouse footage or anything relating to animal abuse, it makes me sick to my stomach and fills me with rage.

I also eat meat.

There is no contradiction like these retarded comics assert. I enjoy the taste of meat and I also do not enjoy seeing animals abused. You can raise animals to be slaughtered in good, humane conditions.

We've done it for centuries.
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>>60997162
come on
>>60997560
nice try
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>>60997688
You trash your pure heritage and denied your culture

why i am even taking the bait ?
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>>60997420
>70 cents on the dolllar
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>>60997571
Nigga do you see what animals are confused in the comic?
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I can't hit my macros as efficiently on a plant based diet.

Sorry if that upsets you
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>>60992809
>animal suffering matters
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>>60997602
we should do X because once upon a time people did Y? unconventional thinking...
maybe we should base decisions on how it really is not what maybe, theoretically could be
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>>60997602
>I personally can't stomach slaughterhouse footage or anything relating to animal abuse, it makes me sick to my stomach and fills me with rage.
>I also eat meat.

As a meat lover and chef, can I tell you that you are the worst kind of faggot and deserve to be gassed?

>not slaughtering a beast with your grandfather on your tenth birthday so he can explain where meat comes from

Literally kill yourself.
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>>60997595
>this much projection.

Im sure its hard being overweight. Enjoy your heart disease
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>>60997995
We shouln'd do X because upon a time people did Y ?

what is not broken shall not be repair
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>>60997995
So how is it really? What reason do I have to not eat meat, decreasing my quality of life significantly?
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>>60997602
>I personally can't stomach slaughterhouse footage or anything relating to animal abuse, it makes me sick to my stomach and fills me with rage.

>I also eat meat.

Hello America.
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>>60997221
Ahmed plz
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>>60997602
exactly. if you're against causing harm to living organisms, then you should abstain from eating roots and leaves, and arguably could only eat some fruits...
>>60992473
if the only reason you're taking offense to an omnivore diet is because you're a self righteous prick who can't see you're base your morals on anthropomorphism, there ain't much we can do to help you.
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>>60992473
>current year
>Citing the lipid hypothesis as justification for your diet.
You probably need to go suck some dicks, your protein intake looks low.
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plants are living though
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>>60997830
i don't. which is one of the reasons i don't kill animals like a primitive. Aryan values should be honored. don't kill except enemies or in life threatening situations.
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>>60996032
Spain has been at the top of the life expectancy chart (2 or 3) and we eat a shitload of cured meat( chorizo, black pudding etc) And less than 5% of the population is vegetarian.

Yeah fuck off with your veggy propaganda, eating green won't make you live longer.
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>>60996391
edge
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>>60997984
apparently it does since people get all uppity when someone decides to fuck said animals
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>>60997589
Most of people here will never experience their first chicken slaughter.
For any non-slavs here, first one is the most amusing one because you have no idea what you're doing and the headless chicken runs around the yard, splattering blood all over the place. Mine made bloody modern art piece when it hit the fence.
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>MEAT EATERS SHOW HYPOCRISY WITH DOGS AND OTHER ANIMALS
>ALL LIFE IS SACRADE!!!!!!
>the vegan says as they squash a bug
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>>60992473
Everybody dies. Everybody suffers. Animals are somehow special and must be spared because muh feelings.
Animal rights activists are pathetic cucks.
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>>60998321
Don't come with your animal lives matter Abdul
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>>60997190
>>tfw i am 6'1" pushing 190 pounds.
LMAO2PLAET....
If you're not talking about your bench press you are malnourished and/or delusional.

Animals may well suffer, but they are animals and we hold no moral obligations to them, not even empathy.

On the other hand, i would admit that if you are not prepared to slaughter and gut your own meat and have never done it, you have no moral right to eat meat.

Pic related: A vegan in the wild.
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>>60992473
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju7-n7wygP0
i'm having veal for dinner. you just spoiled my appetite.
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>be vegan
>eat lots of soy

Say hello to your increased estrogen levels.
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>>60998321
>implying deer or boar aren't worse than the eternal [enter international rival]

fuck those two
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>>60997688
>nice try

No idea what you're trying to say here. If you want to be vegan, that's fine with me and I'm not going to judge you for it, I'm just not going to eat your food.

Personally, I enjoy eating meat. I feel no guilt about eating an animal that was raised solely to become food. I grew up on a farm and have killed animals for slaughter.

It's okay if you want to pretend that you hold some moral high ground based on your diet. I don't mind.
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>>60998321
>aryan values

you fags would claim that taking dicks up your ass is aryan just to justify your yuppie hipster shit.

life consumes life to perpetuate itself, be it animal or vegetal. if you can't deal with that, you're just a pussy.
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>>60992473
If you splice genes or whatever so that apples will totally suffice for healthy development of humans and taste awesome, than sure.
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>>60998056
Or at least gone fishing and cleaned your catch...

Never had to handle anything bigger than small game birds, myself.
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>>60992473
>canine teeth
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>secular humanist vegans
>hurr you eat pig but not dog, that's arbitrary!

Your entire morality is just arbitrary bullshit.
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>>60998454
maybe it really is a White people thing, who knows
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Kek,none in my village slits the throat of animals
we use a goddamn wooden maul and hit them right on the temple full force!
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>>60997995

I'm not an expert on this field, but why can't we just wait until they die of old age and then take half and use it for human consumption and let the other half rot into the ground to create the fertilizer for new plants, vegetables, and so on?

Cows can't possibly live that goddamn long.

>>60998056

>As a meat lover and chef, can I tell you that you are the worst kind of faggot and deserve to be gassed?

This is how most people are, I am just simply being honest about it. Most people like and eat meat and also don't like seeing animals abused.

For example, if someone did psychotically tear apart the goat you were going to eat that night with a knife like illustrated in those comics, you'd lose your appetite and wouldn't eat it.

Out of sight, out of mind.

Now, if the thing was slaughtered quickly and without suffering, we'd still eat the meat, just like we've done for centuries.

>>60998170

>Hello America.

Again, most people are exactly like me: Like meat, don't like seeing animal abuse. I'm just being honest about it.

>>60998230

>and arguably could only eat some fruits...

And this type of diet would probably cause all sorts of health complications.
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>>60992473
>Eat much fat
>Much more meat than necessary
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>>60998545
>hahaha suffering animals
>you're so impolite see that's why i have to hate you
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>>60998350
>Spain has been at the top of the life expectancy chart (2 or 3) and we eat a shitload of cured meat( chorizo, black pudding etc) And less than 5% of the population is vegetarian.

It's not only the diet, also the habit of resting after sleeping.
Northern Europeans just can't grasp the concept behind siesta.
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>>60998575

But they already do taste awesome.
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>>60998638
They don't
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>>60998387
>Most of people here will never experience their first chicken slaughter.

Those headless bastards can run, can't they? I haven't thought of that in years, thanks for the laugh.
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>>60998580
Yeah, for me it was about gaining some form of reverence for the fact you are actually taking a life to sustain yourself and honoring the sacrifice of the animal.
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>>60992473
Greentexting carnist arguments aren't going to make them wrong. You are unable to refute them.

If the majority of people were vegans then the population of livestock would significantly decrease. They meet the demand.
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>literally I'm right, you are wrong : the comic

Are these people delusional?
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>>60998770
>resting after sleeping.
resting after EATING
FUCK
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>>60998746
>Again, most people are exactly like me: Like meat, don't like seeing animal abuse.

Hows it feel being the lowest common denominator?
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>>60998770
But if meat is so bad then why do we live more than the countries that don't eat as much meat?
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>>60998546

it's not necessary so it shouldn't be done
no esoteric indian wisdom circle of life bullshit please
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>>60998704
But what do you do after you hit them with a mallet? You slit the throat and let them bleed out.
>>60998782
I was shocked desu. The trick is to tie them upside down from a tree. At least that's what I do with turkeys.
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so why is killing animals bad and killing plants isn't? is it just because a plant doesn't scream and squirts blood?
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>>60998746
>Cows can't possibly live that goddamn long.
They generally live 15-25 years but even though we kill them young, it still takes an insane amount of land to raise them and the crops to feed them. In fact, that is the leading cause of environmental destruction. What you are suggesting would be taking an already unsustainable practice and making it even less sustainable.
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>>60992473
Yeah I mean we all know that Vegans live forever

don't eat meat and you'll live to 150!! wewww
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>>60998956
it's not necessary only if you kill yourself right now. i said animal and vegetal.
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>>60998774
>But they already do taste awesome.
Good for you. They're also already really healthy.
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>>60998976
Yes. If you're not grossed out, it's okay.
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>>60992473
>vegans
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>>60998924

How's it feel being the same as everyone else? Perfectly normal. Also, your insults don't make any sense. I never said all meat comes from these types of slaughterhouses and eating meat doesn't directly contribute to them. There are plenty of ways to obtain meat without buying from known corporations who keep animals in those conditions.
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>>60998661
i am starting to think these are by non-vegans trying to make them look bad

vegans ARE fucking delusional, but still, these comics
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>>60999051
>gorillas are omnivores
>pandas are omnivores
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>>60994355
>Slitting throat of an animal is not a humane killing because animal suffers from it.
Jesus Christ i think German faggotry is rubbing off...

>animal
>HUMANe treatment
pick one. If you go and t reat animals like humans it shows how much of a human you onsider yourself to be. You don't have to torture them for no reason but you also don't have to treat them humanely.
For example, it is perfectly acceptable to kick a small dog or cat out of your yard for shitting on it, while it would be completely unacceptable if it were your neighbour's kid.
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>>60999051
this /thread

hopefully vegans rip out their teeth to continue arguing against us.
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>>60998971
of course we slit the throat and let it hang after
the killing process is still just wacking them on the head whit a mallet
they're legs just collapse ,its real funny
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>>60999051
but pandas and gorillas both occasionally eat meat
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>>60999051
Some Gorillas are omnivores and pandas are actually carnivores that can only digest bamboo because of a special bacteria in their gut.
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>>60999051
We aren't related to Gorillas and Pandas though

We're what, 4% genetic difference from Chimpanzees?
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>>60999293
>its real funny

are all serbs psychopaths who enjoy seeing living beings suffer?
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>>60999216
that almost exclusively eat plants just like humans
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>>60992473
These comics are so full of falacies. At first I was worried about the people behind these, now I'm just laughing at this bunch of sophists
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Dogs and cats are the only animals kept as pets that matter and they are both carnivores. We are carnivores and we hang out with carnivores
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>>60998976
>>60998976
>>60998976
>>60998976
>>60998976

can a fucking veg fag answer to THIS? i swear to christ you deluded mongs avoid this question all the time.
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>>60998746
>also don't like seeing animals abused

Animal abuse is a terrible thing. Also, stress from the slaughtering process degrades meat quality.

There are entire journals more or less devoted to methods of reducing stress/suffering as it is in the economic interests of the meat industry.

http://www.journals.elsevier.com/meat-science/

>For example, if someone did psychotically tear apart the goat you were going to eat that night with a knife like illustrated in those comics, you'd lose your appetite and wouldn't eat it.

Depends how hungry I was. I would think of it as needless cruelty and that does provoke a moral reaction to me.

>Out of sight, out of mind.
Exactly, you want to do a thing and don't want to take responsibility for what that entails.

This was the whole thrust of my post.

I have vegan friends I respect far more than I do you. At least they into personal responsibility and the outcomes of their choices.

>Again, most people are exactly like me
Maybe in the US, but then again, most people are fucking retarded.
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>>60996032
>but it's not only about number of years but also quality of life.
Indeed
Your life is going to be much higher quality if you eat some meat along the way, giving you energy, and a sex drive
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>>60999051

Panda were former omnivores that switched to eating plants exclusively due to evolutionary pressures.

Their digestive systems are so inefficient at possessing a purely vegetarian diet that they would likely already be extinct without human intervention.

A great metaphor for vegans.
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>>60999472
>>60998976

THEY DONT HAVE CUTE FACES AND DONT SCREAM SO ITS NOT BAD
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PREKO VODE DO SLOBODE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jgN6IZl6Dc
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>>60998947
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>>60992473
Just because I like some animals doesn't mean I have to like all animals and treat them the same.
I can pet a dog and smash a mosquito. Nothing weird here.

As usual, leftists have abstract reasoning. All animals have to be some abstract unique concept of animal.
This is how they use logic, by abstracting details when it helps their idea and agenda.
Too bad you can abstract any details and have a lot of different reasoning, it doesn't mean that make so much sense.
I guess this is somewhat a byproduct of our era of pure science and mathematics. People got the abstract tools but didn't understand what to do with them.

Those cartoons were fucking funny though, thanks op.
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>>60999362
>doesnt know how to do research
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/03/100305-first-proof-gorillas-eat-monkeys-mammals-feces-dna/
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>>60999540

former carnivores*

'switched to eating bamboo exlusively', to be more exact
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>>60999293
Mass-produced pigs get a pneumatic rod into their brain, instead of a mallet. Same process goes afterwards. The rod can fail sometimes, leading to slaughter of pigs that are still conscious.
>>60999433
It's not suffering if it's unconscious. That's why you smack it with a mallet, to make sure it doesn't suffer.
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>>60998387
>de bloody modern art piece when it hit the fence.


real men slaughter rooster for first kill
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>>60999711
this is now a GET thread

fuck you vegans
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>>60999525

>Exactly, you want to do a thing and don't want to take responsibility for what that entails.

You totally ignored the fact that I NEVER SAID that the ONLY way to obtain meat was by buying it from some evil corporation who keeps animals in those conditions. I was pointing out that YES PEOPLE LIKE MEAT and NO PEOPLE DONT LIKE ANIMAL ABUSE and these two things are not mutually exclusive.

If that were the ONLY WAY, then yes, I would not eat meat.

But it isn't, I can just go a little south and get it where all the country assholes get it: from the woods with their rifles or from their farms that they own.
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>>60999526
meat eaters also don't need to supplement estrogen
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>>60998769

You're baiting the hell out of this thread but it's fun so I'll keep biting. Chickens don't suffer when you chop their heads off, the brain dies pretty quickly. What's funny is that the headless body will run like hell while spraying blood out of the neck. It's really something to see.

And I don't hate you. I simply think your narrow-minded, self-centered, and judgmental. And that's fine. You go on being vegan. Hell, continue to be smug about it, that's cool too.
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>>60992473
>homo sapiens is an animal
>animals can eat animals
>????
>profit(?)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmK0bZl4ILM

>relevant
>lelcanadia
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>>60992473
Better to live one day as a lion than a hundred years as sheep.
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>>60992473
What if I own a farm?
Cows need milked to live, why let that go to waste?
I can't afford to have every chicken that comes from every egg. so again, why let that go to waste?
And the pigs? They taste good.
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>>60995159
this is objectively true tho
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>>60998375
Perfectly legal, mate.
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>>60999732
not only are they in pain from having their throat slit, but they are also in pain from receiving a blow to the head

good job serbs, you're on the level of chinks who cook their dog alive
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>>60999115
Like hows it feel that they had all their top scientists in labcoats doing research and checked all the stats twice over and found that the best way to market meat... to you... was to hide all notion of it being a dead animal by wrapping it in colorful packaging with little cartoon farms and happy smiley sun print all over it and write words like 'organic' and 'sustainably farmed' 'freerange' to try and lessen the blow to your humongous ego if your brain slips up for one second at the dinner table and you realize that what it is you're eating had to die somehow, though it didn't want to, it wanted to go on living but you killed it... but you did a good thing because these aren't battery hens.
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>>60992473
I personally enjoy meat, and I think it's a great novel and nutritional substance. I've been buying veggie dogs and tofu burgers lately, though. I wish everyone could just eat plants and live, but it's not that simple. We crave a lot of Umami flavor, and a lot of it comes from meat.
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>>60995170
Actually keeping animals has a greater environmental footprint than full scale veganism would. And please don't get me wrong, my favourite food is bacon. It's just a fact.
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PLANT MAN KNOWS THAT THE PLANTS WILL GROW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQiSgWGAc24
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>>60999051
>B12
>Creatine
>D3
>Carnosine
>DHA

Your body needs these things, it's why we're omnivorous, because there is things in plants we need too.

Gorillas actually do eat meat in the wild, and Pandas subsist on a plant that makes them ill and are a retard animal.
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>>60998851
>Are these people delusional?

Protein deficiency
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>>60998976
>>60998976

>vegcucks still avoiding the question
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>>61000165
oh boogers
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>>61000000
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>>61000213
rerol
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>>60999802
but i was arguing against vegans.
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>>60999996
kek
are you implying you guys dont do klanje?
are you this much of a pansy?
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>>61000249
FUCK
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>>60999998

>Like hows it feel

Again, perfectly normal.

>though it didn't want to, it wanted to go on living

Plants are living things, too as has been pointed out numerous times in this thread.

Again, for me personally, it's about if the animal was dead before it even knew what was happening. If that's the case, fine, eat the goddamn meat, I don't give a shit.

If you're buying it from some fucked up corporation who abuses them before slaughter, stop doing that shit.

How's it feel knowing an animal died? Horrible. How's it know it didn't go to waste because it fed me? Perfectly normal.

How's it feel for you taking the lives of all those plants?
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>>61000024

Sure, but don't act like we wouldn't just have people a few decades later demonizing vegans and pushing for literal mass human death in order to stop hurting vegetables. We already have those people. We don't need to legitimize them by undermining the realities of constant struggle even more than we have.
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>ITT: People who don't realize that plants are living creatures too
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>>60999526
>sex drive
I'm vegan and have a much higher sex drive than most people. Furthermore, vegan men are in high demand in the activist community. Plenty of vegan women who just want to fuck a guy who cares about animal rights.
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>>60999998
>though it didn't want to, it wanted to go on living but you killed it...
only humans are capable of desire

all this "animals just want to live in peace and not be eaten" shit is becoming boring

animals don't want anything they just kinda live until they die
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>>60999818
Shit son, all meat here is grass fed and free range (with some grain finished), except for pork which can't really into too much sunlight, especially this close to muh ozone hole.

We also have strong animal cruelty and suffering laws surrounding slaughtering.

CAFOs a shit, factory farming a shit, but neither of these relate to slaughter stress.

And if more people in your country were honest about where their meat came from, you would probably have similar laws.

I would also say hunting provokes vastly more suffering in an animal than all but the most barbaric forms of conventional livestock slaughter.

>captive bolt to stun the animal
>let it slowly bleed out to schumpter
vs
>Chasing a wounded deer until it collapses from blood loss or exhaustion

Still not against hunting either.
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>>60999735
>killing a rooster
>being an agent of the matriarchy
>>/out/
>>60999996
Nah, Stipe, they die from blood loss before they regain consciousness. They might not even feel the mallet, for all we know.
You can stop projecting your memories from Krajina now, we know you slaughtered those old people like a champ.
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>ctrl+click
>see [Embed] [Embed]
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>>61000072
>implying most vegetables don't provide more than enough protein per calorie
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>>60997190
pics or fake
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>>60996899
Aussie with the dubs of truth.
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>>61000345
>Plants are living things too!
This is the most retarded argument people could possibly reach for, but keep posting it, I get a kick out of it

>If you're buying it from some fucked up corporation who abuses them before slaughter, stop doing that shit.
...Which is what 99% of people do because it's the cheapest option.

>How's it know it didn't go to waste because it fed me?
Do you think it cares?
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>>61000085
Because it's a fucking stupid question. You want to know the reason? It's because animals have central processing and an evolutionary need to "suffer" in order to survive. Plants do not have either of those 2 things.
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>>60998976
>friendly reminder that vegans are skipping this question on purpose
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what now?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGLABm7jJ-Y
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>>61000470

>cares about squealing stuck pigs
>has any chance of making her squeal like a stuck pig

some LOTR level fantasy shit in the vegan community
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>>61000518
All this "third worlders get a say in ethical issues" shit is becoming boring
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>>61000549
PANTERI
VI STE NASA SRPSKA GARDA
PANTERI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6WbqXHfHdg
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>>61000470
>Furthermore, I'm in high demand among absolute faggots.
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>>61000338
its called kolinje, and we do have it

we just don't dance around the corpse laughing as we hack it to pieces with sharpened stones like cavemen

my point was that no matter what you say to rationalize it, when you kill an animal you are taking a life and we should be respectful of that and not forget it
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>>61000674
what the fuck does that even mean.
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>>61000663
>F-F-Facts are stupid...
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>>61000692
see >>61000674

Only the extremely stupid or trolls try to argue that plants can feel pain. Even if you could demonstrate evidence of plant suffering, vegans require less plants to be harvested to sustain themselves than carnists. Livestock require far more plants than we do.
Try using your brain before spouting off these brainwashed idiotic questions.
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>>61000470
>Plenty of vegan women who just want to fuck a guy who cares about animal rights.
Really? You have to give up meat to get laid by some trendy lesbian dreadlocked thespian?

Topcuck.
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>Furthermore, vegan men are in high demand in the activist community
>activist community

Yeah, vegan "men" are welcome to sex up the activist community as much as they want. The rest of us call that "bottom feeding"
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>>61000761
>when you kill an animal you are taking a life and we should be respectful of that and not forget it
odjebi fredi
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>he cares what animals that were literally bred for human consumption think and feel
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what makes a cow suffer more than a mango being ripped off from it's life source? that's like ripping testicles off a man and eating it, except the testicles are alive, too. fucking vegan murderers. end plant murder.
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>>61000815
It means you need to learn more about what suffering actually is before you ask dumb questions and draw comparisons between the treatment of beings which can suffer to beings which cannot suffer.
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>>60992473
>your average vegan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xzXOzYhRTM
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>>61000816
The fact that what, plants are alive?
Why don't you google sentience? Stay in school amerikucks.
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>gains goblin
>vegan food pyramid has supplements
>animal products are used in way more than just food
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>>61000837
You can view it through whatever filter helps you sleep better. Go ahead and keep the obese women. I'm perfectly happy with vegan women.
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>>61000549
touche serbia, hows the kebab going removing much?
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>>61000716
>new zealand
>calling other people "thrid worlders"

pic related is a group of average newzealanders
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>>61000904
this tbqh pharmacía
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>>60992473

>tobacco
>animal product
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Veg fags single handedly prevent intelligent plant life from evolving due to their rapid, unsatiable consumption of inoccent plant-beings
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>>61000663

>This is the most retarded argument people could possibly reach for, but keep posting it, I get a kick out of it

They are. You're not against the taking of life FOR YOUR OWN SELFISH NEED TO EAT FOOD TO SURVIVE, you're against the needless suffering of animals. I'm against that, too.

>...Which is what 99% of people do because it's the cheapest option.

And you think they deserve to be gassed and you're morally superior to them. Bravo.

>Do you think it cares?

I think it has the brain the size of a goddamn walnut and doesn't care about anything except eating and fucking.

Again, just be honest and say that you have ZERO PROBLEM with the taking of life because you do it every time you eat a plant.
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>>61000470
I dated a 9/10 chick years ago. I still have no idea what she found attractive in me.
Anyway, she was so annoying with her vegan bullshit that I had to dump her. Sex was amazing, but listening to that crap all day just wasn't worth it.
>>61001034
We just let the kebab pass into Europe these days. They bombed us for removing, soon they'll beg us to remove once more.
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>>61000829
>Really? You have to give up meat to get laid
Nope, it merely increases my options. I still have sex with non-vegans as well, although I'll admit I don't make any effort to meet non-vegan women anymore.
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>>61000576
>implying those are complete proteins and composition of your macros dictate your health
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>>61000663
>...Which is what 99% of people do because it's the cheapest option.

>torturing animals instead of killing them quickly and efficiently is somehow the cheapest option
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>>61001213
>And you think they deserve to be gassed and you're morally superior to them. Bravo.
Nice projecting. I just want people to be more aware of what they're eating.

>ZERO PROBLEM with the taking of life because you do it every time you eat a plant.
Thats... true? Never disputed that. Plants are alive, animals are alive, but conflating the two is the hallmark of the uneducated or averse.
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>>60992473
That comic doesn't make any sense. It's not even illegal to kill your own animals, let alone eat them.

Only thing relating to eating dogs that's illegal is selling the meat, it's still perfectly fine to raise dogs/cats for personal consumption in the US.
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>>61001377
>implying you can't easily obtain all 9 essential amino acids in a plant based diet.
Why the fuck are people still trying to use the protein argument? It's literally the dumbest argument after the "plants feel pain too" bit.
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>>61001012
>obese

Good for you, vegan women need love too. Personally, I like women with a little more muscle.
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>>61000825
>>61000918

so the vegan dream is a world full of synthetic food where nobody suffers?

that's literally the exact opposite of how life struggles and stives to stay alive.

suffering is also a very fucking human concept. you're still extinguishing lives, even if they do or do not suffer the way you do.

also, it's not eating meat per se that's fucking the ecosystem. it's eating meat 3 times a day like a burgerlard in a capitalistic society.
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>>60996406
The cat in your cartoon probably just killed a bird and a rabbit for fun. Didn't even fuckin' eat 'em
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>>61001431
>torturing animals instead of killing them quickly and efficiently is somehow the cheapest option
The blood is a valuable resource so they designed the captive bolt gun to stun the animal, but leave them alive so their heart will continue to pump. This is desirable because it allows them to bleed the animal faster when they hang it upside down and slit it's throat.
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>>61001457

>but conflating the two is the hallmark of the uneducated or averse

I was trying to get you to admit you do not give a fiddler's fuck about the taking of life to suit your needs, you only care about the suffering of animals for no reason. I'm against that, too.

You also literally said I was the worst kind of faggot who needs to be gassed not that long ago. Unless that was a different Kiwi, there aren't that many of you here.
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>>60992473
>top causes of death
Like cardiovascular disease, smoking, and traffic accidents? Even if you argue the first one is direct result of consuming animal products, eating margerine gets you there quicker than pork fat.
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>>61000958
>you're only allowed to kill what doesn't have big googly eyes on it
Is it alright to eat human corpses? They don't think.

How about babies with extreme birth defects?
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>>61001533
Implying any woman could ever get gains without eating hella meat
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>>61001533
Nothing about being vegan makes it harder to build muscle. I'm as muscular as I want to be and I find that vegan women are more likely to exercise (at least in this area)
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AJDE TRAKTORASI BRMBRMBRMBRMBRMBRM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUbCp2WgkYw
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>>61001213
>And you think they deserve to be gassed and you're morally superior to them

That was me. And yes, in this instance I do.

They blunder through life seeking short term benefit without having the first inkling of what they are doing, perpetuating suffering for base reasons of minor savings.

Also, you do realize that I support humane meat eating and the minimization of suffering right?
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>>61001689
>implying bodybuilders don't just supplement powders to meet their protein needs.
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>>61001504

Because it's really easy to get your essential amino acids on a diet that includes meat. Vegans, on the other hand, have to pay much closer attention to what they eat on a daily basis. The vegan diet is ridiculously high maintenance.
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>>61000958
>veg fags would eat a brain dead patient on their death bed because they arent "alive" enough
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>veganism
I could maybe see the logic of vegetarians, from a moral perspective. But being vegan makes no fucking sense.

What's wrong with eating unfertilized chicken eggs? After the chicken lays it, that's it, it'll just rot. Why let it go to waste instead of eating it?
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>>60992473
I dunno, maybe it is because your precious "developed" countries forgot that good nutrition is taught at home, and not in schools?

I dont really care about vegetarians, they are mostly alright, but vegans are just unreasonable.

And seriously, I could care less if you just want to eat plants, just don´t try to force your stupid ass beliefs on me. I have as much right to eat meat as you do to not eat it.
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>>61001638
but bleeding an animal is pretty much the fastest and least painful way to kill it aside from shooting them in the brainstem
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>>60994536
>non-primate
Time for some longpork!
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>>60999998
SO CLOSE FAGGOT!
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>>61001354
I have personally turned 4 ex gf vegetarians onto the path of righteous flesh consumption.

I have fucked a couple of vegan chicks too, but desu they got boring really fast. And they had no cardio to keep up with me.

wouldnotfuckanothervegan/10

You can have those options bro. No one is begrudging you that. We just find it a little funny you would skite about it.
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>>61001879
>Vegans, on the other hand, have to pay much closer attention to what they eat on a daily basis. The vegan diet is ridiculously high maintenance.
This is false though. You've obviously never even tried. All you have to do is eat a wide variety of things and don't eat only fruit, pasta, oreos, and cereal. It's not fucking rocket science. You are far more likely to end up with a chronic health condition from a standard diet than you are on a vegan diet.
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>>61002055

>they are mostly alright

Spit that blue-pill, you monkey. Vegans are responsible for famine in the world.
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>>61001771
BACI BOMBU

GONI BANDU

PREKO IZVORA
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>>61002150
That's because vegetariains are fucking dipshits who only pretend to care about animals. Vegans are the only one's who get it and even then, most of them are just as brainwashed as the average carnist and have no deep understanding of their own beliefs.
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>>61002252
>Spit that blue-pill, you monkey. Vegans are responsible for famine in the world.
Vegans are, I meant vegetarians. At least they agree to let us raise cows and chickens for milk and eggs.
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>>61001431
Have you never watched any of these animal abuse films being posted? Too scared to click the links?
I'll break it down for you.

The cheapest option for farming eggs is to pack hens into literally the smallest cage possible, with a feeding tube / water tube, in a gigantic dark warehouse full of 10,000 other hens in small cages.

The cheapest option for killing chickens, right, is to have all the hens locked upside down into a belt which takes them around the factory and eventually reaches a sawblade which they whizz over, cutting them at the neck, usually not all the way, mangling them from the neck up and leaving them to die by bleeding out.

The cheapest way to raise pigs is to lock the mother into a space where she can't even move with her teats exposed so the piglets can feed.

The cheapest 'humane' way to kill large mammals is to electrify them multiple times before bashing them to death.

It's not just about how they're killed, it's about how they're treated when they're alive.
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>>61001863
I was never big on the protein powder thing so I ate more eggs and meat. But then I was never a juicer so I didn't need that much extra.

Ate meat, lifted, ran. These days I'm old and have a fucked up knee so I replaced the running with a good single malt scotch whiskey.
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>>61002340
>NO TRUE VEGAN
Get wrekt faggot. If you have the be the vanguard of a vanguard of a vanguard, you do not have a political movement of any worth whatsoever.
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>>61002040
I can't decide which of the two is more retarded

most vegetarians I know don't eat meat, but they eat fish because, apparently, its not evolved enough gain their sympathy
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>>61001654
That was a different kiwi. There are actually quite a lot of kiwi shiteposters m8
>only care about the suffering of animals for no reason
>no reason
I can't think of any valid reason for the suffering of animals.
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>>61002416
Why should we care about the treatment of animals that are bred for the express purpose of later being killed?
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>>60992473
>correlation with eating meat and diseases
>99% of people living in Modern society eat meat
>Vegans tend to be obsessive over health
>make bullshit study in developed country
>whoah our health obsessed sample who is practicing 26 fad diets at the same time, never smoke and drink and do Cross-fit everyday is somehow more healthy than the average!

CORRELATION=/=CAUSATION
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_welfare_in_Nazi_Germany
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>>61002150
>I have personally turned 4 ex gf vegetarians onto the path of righteous flesh consumption.

Had a vegetarian gf that finally gave in to the gateway meat: bacon. That was all it took.

Capcha: Select all images of steak
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>>61002416
the reason we don't eat dogs and cats are because they're predators, and they're famously horrible meat.
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>>61002610
I swear to fucking god Hone if you blow our deep cover as Strayans I will find you and eat you in front of your family.
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>>61002603
eating fish sounds more like a religious thing
the bible doesn't count fish as meat
and we dont eat anything animal related except fish on a Slava
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I'll probably transition to synthetic meat after 5-10 years and they work out all the cancerous parts. I don't see any reason to avoid lab grown chicken breasts and whatnot, then let the real animals go.

Not that there aren't already bush pigs and pheasants and stuff but I wouldn't expect a vegan to know much about natural wildlife.
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>>61002416
>It's not just about how they're killed, it's about how they're treated when they're alive

This, I even eat meat myself but I'm not denying that the life for the animals in the industrial food production facilities is really terrible. How they die isn't really even that important, facing a brutal death is pretty common in nature. What happens before death is what's important, having to face couple of hours or days of pain before dying isn't that bad if you had a good life before it.
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>>61002180
>oreos

Tell me again how healthy the vegan diet it.
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>I am going to destroy entire ecosystems to have millions of farms, destroying millions of animals, and I will have them killed when the time of harvest comes, since the progress accidentally kills quite a few of 'em.

>All of this, so I can fee superior and free of animal murder
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>>61002943
After so many years of domestication, I'm not sure chickens would even survive well in the wild.
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>>61002807
I have a friend who has been vegetarian since 4 years old and still is.

His wife isn't, and he also has a smoker at home and really knows his shit.

Like he has taught me a thing or two about smoking meats.
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>>61002673
>bred for the express purpose of later being killed?
Do you think that makes it ok, or changes anything for the animals locked away?
>Nah it's ok you were born for this torturous life anyway
I don't see how anyone could think like that, I think it would make you not a whole person.

>>61002810
>eat dogs and cats are because they're predators, and they're famously horrible meat.
Tell that to Asia.
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>i don't want animals to suffer
>i eat plants instead
>they're alive but don't suffer
>r-right guys?
>also if i eat animals they actually eat more plants than me
>s-so that would be that i make the world suffer more!
>so much suffering!
>MUH SUFFERING

would you eat an animal that's already dead for natural causes? why don't you?

why don't you drink milk or eat cheese, excluding the shitty industrial process reasons?

how do you cope with the fact that everything you do would be considered an evolutionary dead end by life standards?

how do you cope with the fact that your hipster choice is just a fruit of the comfort of the same capitalistic society you try to boycott?

why do you force vegan shit on your pets and kids?
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>>61002814
Two sides of the same coin mate :^)
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>>61003032
They do in Hawaii but there aren't that many predators on the islands.
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>>61003112
>tell that to the savages
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>>61002416
why the fuck would I care about chickens?

chickens are practically moving plants as far as their ability to perceive the world around them goes

and most of what you're talking about is only true for giant companies who get huge subsidies from the state for producing enough burgers for fag amerilards
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>>61003032
Chickens escape and go feral all the time. They survive just fine.

Just saying.
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>>61003364
>why the fuck would I care
Nobody expects you to care about anything but day to day survival, third worlder. Please be quiet while the adults talk.

>giant companies who get huge subsidies from the state for producing enough burgers for fag amerilards
.........................Which is what 99% of people buy because it's the cheapest option.
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>>61003112
Which Animals do we keep locked away in cages?
>pigs
>chickens
That's it. And there are always free range alternatives here.

How does facing starvation, predators and parasites imply more suffering than calmly living in a paddock with medical attention, enough to drink and enough to eat while being surrounded entirely by your own kind?

All this shit about suffering is getting boring.

Life is suffering.
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>>61002929
well, yea. historically fish wasn't considered meat, but I'd imagine someone who has so many ethical principles on what they do and don't eat, would base them on something more science-related
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Here's the story of a vegan that was very sickly and misteriously felt well after eating meat.

http://www.curezone.org/forums/am.asp?i=1728051

What a dramatic turn of events.

We truly don't need meat.
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>>61003032

I was thinking that to. That all these animals would just die off. That being said, we've been surprised from time to time historically by what a few runaway farm animals can achieve in a habitat that isn't adjusted to them. We might release farm chickens into the wild to make some other species extinct. LOL
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>>61003112
Animals are beneath us anyway, whatever attachment people form to their pets is one of property, same as a person would care for their car.
If an animal is created specifically to later be killed and eaten, why should we care at all about the quality of its life? Animals aren't even sapient, they aren't intrinsically worth as much as even the lowest of humans, though they may be worth more monetarily.
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>>61003364
>why the fuck would I care about chickens?
Because it make you a trendy contrarian who can feel good and morally superior while shouting bullshit and bolster you self confidence in that way and inflate you ego.
And nobody can call you out because you just to say "it's not for me it's for the animals".
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>>61003570
>.........................Which is what 99% of people buy because it's the cheapest option.
because they get subsidies from the state allowing them to maintain low prices and an inefficient system
I don't expect you to wrap your little tattooed head around the idea that that if you want to fight something you should fight it at the source, but I encourage you to try
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>>61003364
Dude,theres no reason to even talk to him
>muh third worlder
>thats not a argument
ofcrouse a sheep shagger is going to be vegan to appease his wife :^)
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>>61002610

I meant suffering for the sake of suffering. There are plenty of wild animals out there suffering from the elements and hunger. Why are they suffering? Because they're wild fucking animals.

I meant suffering for no reason in a place in which there is no reason to suffer, like any modern farm today.
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>>61003814
>Here's the story of a vegan that was very sickly and misteriously felt well after eating meat.
>Translation: Here is biased fabricated anecdotal "evidence" from an nonacademic source

INTO THE TRASH IT GOES
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>>61002123
>>61000000
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You are now aware that raw vegan WILL change your shit brown eyes to hazel
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>>61003814
Here is the story of man who died of complications arising from alcohol withdrawals.

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2016/01/13/indiana-woman-reaches-settlement-sons-jail-death/78743188/

What a dramatic turn of events.

We truly all need to be drunk all the time.

[spoiler] though we know your unemployed ass already is [spoiler/]
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>>61003600
>GOSH BUT WE ONLY DO IT TO THESE TWO SPECIES FUCK
We'd do it to all of them if it was feasible.
>there are always free range alternatives here.
Which the average person never buys because they want the cheapest meat possible

>How does facing starvation, predators and parasites imply more suffering than calmly living in a paddock with medical attention, enough to drink and enough to eat while being surrounded entirely by your own kind?
That's the exception, not the rule.


>>61003850
>1. they are beneath us, 2. pets are property
>Truisms are fun

>>61003911
Even without subsidies it would still be the cheapest method of farming.
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>>61004054
then don't eat industrially processed meat.

i'm not even gonna bother asking you about eating an animal that was grass fed and bred like a fucking king, but what about its milk, dairy products or eggs?

i swear to god you guys keep getting more and more abstract with this suffering shit

is it true that you don't eat honey either?
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>>61004241
Can't you just fucking eat the sheep?
Did you get attached to it since Ahmed showed the secrets of sheep and goat fucking?
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>>60992473
>top causes of death predominantly caused by consumption of animal products in developed countries?
Over-consumption
Packed full of hormones, pharmaceuticals, preservatives

It's not the meat, it's the amount eaten and what's in it.
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>>61004434
>falling in love with your fuck puppets

This is why you guys elect people like Hollande, Jon Pierre. You gotta control that pussy son, and never give it power over you.

Clearly this is easier with sheep, but the same principle applies to women.
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>>60997575

This is actually a myth. Dogs will sometimes attack and kill their owners. It happens because of abuse or mistreatment. Same for cats. Same for anyone.
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>>61004423

Me and the Kiwis were arguing the "eating meat is wrong because it's wrong to take life to suit your selfish human needs" meme which then makes the vegans wrong, too since they're taking the life of living plants to suit their selfish human need to eat food.

You're the one getting abstract with the non-living milk and honey and eggs and shit.
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>>61004054
Well sure, we can exclude suffering we can't (currently) do much about.

>>61004423
>milk, dairy products or eggs
Cattle farmed for milk / dairy products are also farmed for meat, as are battery hens farmed for eggs.
>Wonderland industries where our cows have fantastic quality lives, are given hugs every day, and die by natural means!
Besides being economically unfeasible there are still so many questions to ask that you might as well just rule out eggs and dairy from your diet and be 100% sure you're not contributing to suffering that you're unaware of.
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>>61004375
>Even without subsidies it would still be the cheapest method of farming.

if there were no subsidies than the companies producing mass amounts of shit meat would have to engage in market competition with the free range meat.
you said yourself that most people recognize that free range grown meat is better than the industrial shit in every way, so if the difference in prices wasn't so insanely high, its not unreasonable to assume that most reasonable people would pay a slightly higher price to eat healthy
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>>61004939
>Besides being economically unfeasible there are still so many questions to ask that you might as well just rule out eggs and dairy from your diet and be 100% sure you're not contributing to suffering that you're unaware of.

Or you can eat eggs and dairy in moderation and not obsess about whether the chickens and cows are leading fully realized lives.
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>>61004423
Dairy cows are repeatedly impregnated without their consent. Their male children are typically discarded or slaughtered for veal. Dairy cows themselves are typically killed at around the age of 4 when their milk production begins to significantly decrease. They normally live until 15-25.
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>>61004713
Jean Pierre*
>Implying the Fire isn't rising in France
Next election we're going full reich because of the terrorism.
Prepare the shish kebab pikes.
Also how many proxies do you have?
You're changing ID like not tomorrow, Dynamic IP?
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>>61004866
>You're the one getting abstract with the non-living milk and honey and eggs and shit.

wat

>>61004939
all you speak of is against industrialization, not against eating animal products.

you really think it's easier to convince the average joe that it's better not to eat animal products at all instead of educating him on sustainability?
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>>61005174
again, industrialization
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>>61005255
>you really think it's easier to convince the average joe that it's better not to eat animal products at all instead of educating him on sustainability?
Animal agriculture is not sustainable no matter how it is done. It always takes more food to feed the animals than the amount of food you get out of them.
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>>61004375
>We'd do it to all of them if it was feasible.
Ummm, except every resource consent for indoor farming of beef or lamb has been struck down in the RMA consultation process...

>Which the average person never buys because they want the cheapest meat possible
Where do you even live bro? South AK somewhere? They wouldn't have it in the stores if no one bought it.

>That's the exception, not the rule.
Whut? A feral life implies far more suffering than a sedentary one, unless the farmer is an out and out psycho breaking tails for fun.

We have a relatively high degree of animal protection laws relative to nearly any other country. The meat tends to be safer than that raised in CAFOs or other factory farming practices.

I am starting to think you haven't ever left the big smoke m9.

>convincing Muslims captive bolt stunning was halal
>best day of my life
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>>61005120
Assuming they wouldn't offset a lack of subsidies in the production process somehow, and they had to compete with free range, they still win out war of attrition style. It's much cheaper to pack 10,000 chickes into a single barn than it is to have them spread out over fields in the sun.
>most reasonable people would pay a slightly higher price to eat healthy
True, but how many people are reasonable, really? And how many people can afford to if there's a cheaper option?
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>not having a balanced, mostly alkaline diet of both meat and vegetables
plebs
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>>61005309
even without industrialization (which is still very relevant, since that's the vast majority of the animal products consumed are come from factory factory farms) what are they going to do with the male children? They're not useful for milk. They're not the right breed for beef. They could raise it for beef, but they'd have to cut off it's horns and/or confine it. Neither of those are ethical.
Furthermore, even if you had a bunch of small farms where livestock are raised in ideal (but still unethical) conditions, that would require more land and more resources overall. You would be taking an already unsustainable practice and making it even less sustainable. Animal agriculture is the top environmental threat already by a large margin.
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why does every vegan thread inevitably result in a debate about the economic feasibility of the meat industry

I thought veganism is about ethics
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>>61004438
Dude, stop being such a fucking pussy!

I killed pigs before, they scream like hell, did not stop me from eating the delicious barbecue I mad out of it.

Chickens too, I just rip their fucking heads off with my machete, They are delicious.

People who actually get put off just because they seen an animal get put down for us to eat are fucking weak cunts that have no place in this world.
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>>61005255
>all you speak of is against industrialization, not against eating animal products.
I'm not necessarily against eating animal products. I'm against animal suffering.

>you really think it's easier to convince the average joe that it's better not to eat animal products at all instead of educating him on sustainability?
Why not both? I'm not saying people should go out and picket MEAT IS MURDER at supermarkets, I want to promote awareness of how meat is farmed, etcetera. Most people have had an intense amount of mental gymnastics programmed into them through society and don't consider the source of what they're eating at all.
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