This whole Oscars shit has really brought to light (for me, at least) just how much more politically divided America is than it was even as little as three or four years ago.
More and more people I know (and in general) have shifted from being moderate, or moderate left/right, to either extreme left or extreme right. People are way more vocal about politics and social issues. The last few years I've watched countless relationships between family, friends, and other loved ones deteriorate because of political differences.
How the hell did we get so divided? Obama and the Recession alone couldn't have caused it all. Will the left and right grow or will people slip back toward moderate views?
Another thing: I think the presidential candidates we're seeing really reflect this, too. For the longest time people always voted for someone more on the moderate side (Clinton, Bush, Gore, Kerry, Obama, Romney etc) and people were initially expecting the same with this next election with Jeb and Clinton (say what you will, both of these people are very invested in preserving the status quo)
But no, as the months go by, more and more people are flocking to support the reactionary right (Trump) or the radical left (Sanders) and leaving the more moderate candidates behind.
Well you did a pretty good job of inferring it.
I'm willing to assume you're either moderate left or full left, considering that you're still unwilling to state your political stance anonymously on /pol/.
Ok bud. He's honestly the most moderate candidate if you take in all of his political views, he's just playing up his right-wing views to get the Republican nod (hence why everyone is saying "Oh he only has like 3 stances...") He's got plenty of views on all the issues but a lot of them aren't 100% conservative. Hence why he has this left-leaning moderate voting for him (that, and Hilary is the god damned She Demon)
The western world is having a common Versailles experience right now and the people are wandering off to the fringes.
>What does this say about where we're headed?
hopefully to a long and entertaining series of civil wars and proxy wars between the remaining powers that we can shitpost about from the comfort of our homes
>Obama couldn't have caused it all
Oh but he did.
Someone like Reagan regardless of his economic policies would have held america together and not enabled all these soros funded PC groups from gaining any traction in dividing the country.
>mfw still Moderate/Centrist Left with no intention of moving because fuck hyperbolic emotional bullshit
I wish Dan Carlin would run for president or something.
>Obama and the Recession alone couldn't have caused it all
King nigger has been constantly poking his nose into racial relations. On the wrong side more frequently than not. Obama's sons are not a good crowd.
It just shows how comfortable our lives have come to be... Petty shit like this shouldn't even be a debatable issue.
Of course living as a white in a predominantly white society it's easy for me to say this, I feel like a lot of American left and minorities are, subconsciously or not, just coming up with things to feel threatened about now that nothing dangerous actually threatens them any more.
We need a fucking war.
no burger, finally war is brought to your doorsteps. you are going to have a nasty hangover from all that multiculturalism and we will get to shitpost and profit off your misery this time
Didn't that Hispanic guy win one this time around? It was on the Spanish news they were talking about how Hispanics took the oscars by a storm because apparently more than one won an Oscar. I don't know though the whole thing is a kike occult ritual.
>How the hell did we get so divided?
Internet spreads false, emotionally satisifying information to anyone dumb enough to be trolled and meme'd into whatever. People create their own hug boxes with it. Project their politics onto everyone else and expect them to be "the other side" so they have someone to fight against and get validation and attention and feel important.
The latter is really what it's all about, the politics are just the means to the ends of humans desperate for attention and to fit-in, as always.
>Of course living as a white in a predominantly white society it's easy for me to say this, I feel like a lot of American left and minorities are, subconsciously or not, just coming up with things to feel threatened about now that nothing dangerous actually threatens them any more.
Bingo. You should hear all the well-to-do white ladies in places like San Fran and Berkeley making up shit to be traumatized by. They have never had a seriously rough day in their lives but they are CONSTANTLY in therapy and whining about shit to each other.
>open up google news
>see this on the front page
election season, dumbass
happens every 7 years or so, with a giant reformation about every 70 years or ten cycles. this also follows the economy and is probably a function of it. every 7 years or so there is a recession with a big one (a giant deleveraging) every 70 years.
I still consider myself a centrist, or in the grey area. But that's only if you had to classify me. I am non-partisan, I knew a long time ago that the left-wing right-wing labels are just for divisions and to neatly organize what faggot gets Mr. Goldsteins funds.
You want an answer? This is your answer. And it was from glorious Nippon in 2001.
Yes. Tumultuous times call for drastic measures. I think during peaceful times people mostly think about their day-to-day activities. When things start to get fucked, though, people start looking for answers, and they typically find the answers that appeal to the personal biases that they hold.
Imagine a topographic map, with a lot of little peaks all over it. These peaks can represent the most radical, exclusionary of every type of belief. Louis Farrakhan is sitting on one with his "Yacub created the White devil race" beliefs, the KKK are on another one, the over-zealous communists are on another, the Nazi nationalists are on another, the Christians that want a strictly Christian nation and are willing to crusade for it are on another, and so on. Most people dwell between these peaks, or hold milder beliefs of them all, but are mostly concerned with their daily activities and the comforts our current civilization brings them.
"In peace and prosperity states and individuals have better sentiments, because they do not find themselves suddenly confronted with imperious necessities; but war takes away the easy supply of daily wants and so proves a rough master that brings most men's characters to a level with their fortunes"
When shit hits the fan, what will happen is what I call the "spooling up of radicalization". People will no longer be bound to society through their jobs or their financial obligations. They will only resent the fact that the system is gone and they will look for reasons why. They will align themselves to whichever group represents their interests, or whatever rhetoric rings true. The moderates and other voices of reason will be drowned out, and I imagine most moderates will pick one group or another, if not simply to survive, then to support whichever group is most likely to realize their own vision of what the future of this country should look like.
>How the hell did we get so divided? Obama and the Recession alone couldn't have caused it all.
The first black president fucking up everything. Instead of bringing the country together he divided it and even fueled racial tensions to unknown levels. With unbelievable
statements that where completely uncalled for be it in American local politics
>calling the police racist
>lying about known facts
>literally backstab judges by calling their decisions a scandal and unconstitutional
>lable every single legal gun owner as a mass killer and psycho while not even slightly addressing illegale weapons
>policies that stir up tensions
>calls looting and destruction of US city centers a great peaceful protest
>that rainbow flag illumination of the white house
Look at that shit, it's just calling for a extrem polarisation in the views as suddenly you can't stand any longer in the center, you either go full SJW or full conservative.
I'm pretty in between culturally liberal and conservative, probably lean a little toward the liberal side.
I'm a libertarian and I want my state to adopt social democracy. I really don't have to pick a side because I agree with both on a ton of issues.
There's really no chance of me pissing someone off by explaining my political views.
Mass uptake of social media.
Most people are sheep that need something to follow. Remove the church and they find something else. Basically they find their 'preacher' on social media and cling to their ideas i.e. feminism.
What the hell even is this hashtag? Do people really think the academy looked at the films and went "No no, this is no good. We can't have no niggers get them nominations!"?
Obviously they looked at performance and only took performance into consideration, and hey all of the actors who outdid the others this time around all happened to be white, which about 63% of America is by the way.
to the liberal media, hispanics are white people.
>I'm a libertarian and I want my state to adopt social democracy
>There's really no chance of me pissing someone off by explaining my political views.
I don't get mad at retarded people, so I guess you are right.
Obama, basically. He had the chance to really help this nation, but instead he fucked us all over.
The radicalization and division is nothing new and has happened before - smartphones got nothing to do with it.
It happened already during the 1920's in Germany. The result of this are known.
The causes are the evaporation of the middle class. And also middle class family. Either you are becoming part of the 1% of you will drown in masses. People have been sold out by the elites and the people know it.
You are either a radical left when you realize that capital is responsible for the plight of us all or a nazi when you realize who the capital is.
That's the keyword, gotta spread alt-right propaganda there now.
Remember guys, we're strong and we're affecting thousands of people who have no affiliation with /pol/ whatsoever. Join us and redpill curious normies.
It's all the fault of the elites and their grasp on the liberal kike media, blasting libcuck diarrhea now worldwide thanks to social media. These old jews want to see their utopia before they kick the bucket.
We're not more divided. It's the evolution of media in the past few decades years has given the fringes a louder and louder voice.
40 years ago, conspiracy theorists harassed people on the streets with leaflets - today, online communities give the thousands of nutjobs a massive echo chamber to chill in.
40 years ago, people spouting about transgender and transracial and what-have-you would have been dismissed as loonies - today they have millions of people online to tell them how strong and brave they are.
40 years ago, political extremists like the far left or the tea party would have been called commies or nutters and ignored. Today they're louder than the silent majority in both parties.
>How the hell did we get so divided?
Because of Liberals. Liberalism is so extreme that it's pretty much the philosophy of a force of domestic insurgents. Terrorists, really. The critical difference is that these terrorists destroy cities with Niggers, not bombs.
Joss makes some entertaining shit, but god is he an insufferable faggot. I'm actually glad his shows all tanked since they couldn't be tainted by his modern views.
Well you've done zero explaining as to why. Just "Youre all too fucking stupid to see what actually caused the problem"
Obama AND his administration have caused racial tension we haven't seen in 50 years. Also our media is attacking everything that isn't progressive or liberal.
I haven't claimed to know all the reasons, I'm just saying it's way more complicated than all of Obama's fault. Not only is the media not directly under his control, you're also completely writing off the cause of organic cultural change rather than some directed social engineering task designed and approved by the president.
>No one, and I mean NO ONE, not even the feminists they are trying to impress, respect these sniveling weasels.
Liberals never learn. The cucked Liberals support women, and women hate them for it. The racial Liberals support Blacks, and Blacks hate them for it.
It goes on and on. Liberals are the dumbest people on Earth.
I think the Internet has something to do with the intensifying polarity. Echo chambers and all that. Also though recessions tend to beget conservative outlooks, but the Left is still going full-bore as far as they can. American universities are populated by people who are living essentially outside of economic reality(at least for the time being), which creates an even bigger divide. Not to mention actual professors living in a bubble, that's always been true.
There are different cultural regions of the US you know. Our male liberals are not obsessed with women's rights in politics or any racial identity bullshit. In my experience black ghetto liberals are the dumbest, but the group just above them is blue collar, uneducated white men.
The divisiveness has progressed far too much already for things to go back to normal or for people to "slip back towards moderate views". Something big is going to happen after this next election. I'd say it'll happen sooner if Trump is elected and will be delayed if Sanders is elected, but will likely still occur while he's president or shortly thereafter.
We're at a crossroads right now, and everyone who's paying attention can feel it. Bernie Sanders represents the progressive vision of what future America will look like, while Trump represents a return to traditional America. The divide between these two ideologies is massive and I see no way in which the gap can be bridged through normal politics.
its simple. The left kept winning and winning thus setting higher and higher goals. The right was left in the dust and got more and more alienated for each left win victory.
this whole "wrong side of history" crap is also a result of this.
Conservatives are getting fed up with the liberal hypocrisy. Fox's Megyn Kelly called out the DNCs chairman for saying Republicans only picked that SC Governor because she is a woman. But the DNC are pushing Shillary because she is a woman.
The fire rises.
Problems that oppressed people care about
>militarization of the police force
>being unfairly targeted by the police or feds
"Problems" that "oppressed" people care about
>representation in oscar nominations
>so so bored of reading these stories
White people are so lame tBh fAm sMh islamaphobic tBh refugees welcome fAm white people be like problematic triggering BuzzFeed's 14 Facts That'll Blow Your Mind grrr men are despicable shitlords sMh racist bigot white people tBh dude republicans lmao sanders 2016 tBh fAm come on it's 2015 real nigga hours white people WhatsApp selfie Instragram Vines twerking Justin Bieber Facebook Twitter Twitch Reddit iPhone transgender mansplaining eww nopesies autistic virgin thot ratchet BAE triggering die CIS scum did I mention white people are lame? White people white people white people
That's how most social media seems to me.
At least the conservative echochamber discusses actual issues like Islamic terrorism, unnecessary and unconstitutional gun control, and the destruction of Western culture.
Progressives bitch and moan about made up problems like "trigger warnings", "proper pronouns", "Islamophobia", and the threat of white terrorists.
>mfw TR's idea of being a Progressive has been co-opted from one for responsible reform and watchdog'ing moneyed interests to one of "MUH FEELINGS" bullshit
The "destruction of Western culture" is absolutely a tumblr tier bullshit complaint that dominates this board and is nothing but a feelings argument.
I think it's pretty fucking obvious that both sides do this.
Social dogmas are pushed by the government in the education systems.
Every election preceeding is accompanied by political interest and development.
With the social media attentionwhore era you have to be extreme to have anyone look up, especially women who are in all of the bubblewrap generation (even the older women).
God women voting was a horrible idea fmlfam
>Mobile gaming sucks
Emulators man... It's why I have an xperia play.
Though I'm actually running out of JRPG's I give a shit about, and platformers... Not sure what else to play...
same has happened here. Most people were suspicious of all politicians, but last election was pretty much Trump vs Sanders in terms of segregation. I personally blame facebook and internet anonymity: less people are inclined to conflict when openly debating each other
>How the hell did we get so divided?
See the incredible story of how one heroic man changed the world.
Can we get that tag going?
maybe we can demand more white people in the NBA....
On second thought, it'd probably backfire horrendously. Still probably be pretty funny.
That's not an argument, that's you being a typical /pol/smoker and picking a generic and meaningless image on the internet to represent your argument that you don't actually have.
>leo's face when he finally gets and Oscar and is considered racist for it
anonymous message boards are the only place this shit doesn't happen, because you actually have to defend your position instead of playing identity politics and circlejerk games.
Pointing fingers and blaming is the argument of a fucking 5 year old. An argument siblings use on each other. Don't tell me our argument is worthless because you can't formulate a decent rebuttal. You're limp wristed faggot rebuttal is "Youre just wrong because I said so" Each a nigger dick.
Incredible argument really.
Lol maybe you should work on the ability to argue above a high school level rather than referencing me to a meme image made on 4chan you brainless failure.
I'm in a weird position, I think Conservatives are crazy, but I identify as a slight leftist but hate anyone who has more leftist opinions then meon issues now that haven't been solved ie gay marriage
My argument is you can't refute what we're saying other than "Well fucking liberals and conservatives just say the same thing" Pointing fingers like a 5 year old.
Character assassination and ad hominem attacks don't work on the internet.
This is true - libs and SJWs congregated on tumblr, which allowed them to create all of this bs rhetoric and these weird ideas of political correctness, then when their ideas were ready, started spamming them all over social media until they eventually became mainstream culture.
We need to do the same, just with our own ideas.
Point out where I moved the goalposts.
Once again, substituting a parroted dismissal rather than an argument because you don't even have one.
I was originally responding to the guy who said liberals neglect rationality or freak out at anyone who doesn't think like them and conservatives don't. I pointed out that it's bullshit and conservatives do it too. This thread alone has plenty of evidence.
This world age is tumbling towards a final world war. Only this time it wont be about politics, it'll be about religion.
It wont be rest of the world against islam either.
Islam is 666, atheists are 666, jews are 666, pagans are 666, anyone but devout christians are 666, servants of Satan.
On the other side of the fence, devout christians. But not pacifist christians. Crusaders of Light and Justice who fight for freedom and justice, for freedom of speech, economic freedom, freedom from a total surveillance police state, freedom from islamization and jewification, freedom from degeneracy.
These are the battle lines that are drawn for the upcoming World War. Most people, especially christians, dont realize that. Misery and persecution and the wicked atrocities of the 666ers will force them into defending themself from the false messiah of the jews and his islamic and amerigoy minions.
How can such a small and completely outnumbered/outgunned group overcome against such odds? Only with divine assistance and massive divine intervention on the battlefield.
Well you're arguing with me now, keeping moving the goalposts there friend. "I wasn't arguing your point, but an earlier point that has nothing to do with you"
You must be taking a first year debate or sociology class. This thread is full of people willing to argue their case rationally, but you just pick low hanging fruit. Then backtrack when someone wants a legitimate answer.
It is a weird opposite for me
I have been far left for the longest (think leftist libertarian all the way to anarcist when I was a dumbass teen) but lately I have been drifting closer to the center on most issues lately.
I think it is just that the crazy of both parts has become more vocal and thanks to everyone using the internet, even normals that don't really give a shit about politics are exposed to it. They don't really think about it but to them it sounds as valid as anything else, and it has all these likes and retweets, so that means it right to them.
It happens on both sides.
When millions of immigrants from third world countries, with no traditions of liberal democracy, free market capitalism, or self-reliance start flooding Western countries, then that is a direct threat to the existence of Western culture. When these same immigrants come from cultures that explicitly teach and promote the opposite of these things, that is a direct assault on Western culture.
It was difficult enough for Southern and Eastern Europeans to integrate into American society in the early 1900's, and these were people who shared similar cultures as us and were given no choice -- either integrate or leave.
Immigrants now come from drastically different cultures and hold values that are antithetical to what it means to be American. Not only that, but the Regressive Left is actively encouraging them to maintain their cultures and values. Anyone who talks out against this is labeled a racist, a bigot, and Islamophobe, or some other progressive buzzword.
I think that after several years of being far right I've come to the conclusion that the farther right I go, the more similar to totalitarian views I hold. This goes the same for the left. For every bit of progress the left makes, a sort of social Newton's Third Law kicks in and the right also kicks their game up a notch.
As a result I stopped being so right or so left and started approaching a more centrist point of view and it seems to have helped me much more than simply "picking a side because it's what said side says to do."
One party or side mandated view can't be applied to everything.
>Watching the Oscars earnestly.
I pity you.
Anyone else think that the Black Lives Matter thing is racist towards white?
Do white lives not matter? Plenty of white people get murdered by crooked cops.
If blacks are racist by nature and only care about civil rights for blacks, why should whitey give a fuck about them?
> the cause of organic cultural change rather than some directed social engineering task designed and approved by the president.
obama is a liberal. liberals are the ones that get angry about no blacks in the oscars.
is that hard for you to understand?
>it's complicated man it's the systematic system of the organic change of the systemic system marx systematic systemry
ist that right?
IT'S NOT FAIR. ALL THE BEST SCIENTISTS ARE WHITE PEOPLE. WE NEED MORE DIVERSITY. WHY ALL THE BEST ARTISTS WHITE? WTF #DABESTPEOPLESOWHITE
this is what happens when kids stop playing sports, they don't learn how to lose
Yes, it's basically all out war now.
On the left side we have:
And on the right side we have
Straight, normal people
Pick your team or be puashed aside.
Funny thing is that the industry is almost exclusively Democrats, but racism sells and people somehow believe that the left isn't capable of racism, even if it's their bullshit perceived. racism.
People are realizing BLM is a hate movement. Its really only pandering to brainwashed millennials and middle aged failures who haven't done anything with their lives thanks to how safe and stable our country is.
black lives matter is a rhetorical trap. if you don't chant black lives matter you are a racist de facto. Therefor it is racist by implying everyone else is racist. It's the easiest trick in the book to claim everyone around you is a racist.
it's also stupid and should be laughed at. it's also funded by liberal billionaires.
Lol man your original argument for it being entirely Obama's fault was
>well Bush made democrats mad, with Obama everyone's mad
>everything must be Obama's fault lol
You're a brainless dumbass dude, I told you this conversation wasn't going anywhere and I was right.
When's the last time a conservative got locked in a warehouse prison and his skull cracked by tear gas for peaceful protesting?
>obama is a liberal. liberals are the ones that get angry about no blacks in the oscars.
>is that hard for you to understand?
What part about that is Obama's doing? That's an organic cultural change and if it is engineered in part, it is not directly Obama's fault.
>American universities are populated by people who are living essentially outside of economic reality(at least for the time being), which creates an even bigger divide. Not to mention actual professors living in a bubble, that's always been true.
This. The American university system will collapse under the weight of rising tuition to fuel the profligate spending of the chancellors. Bernie's plan would tie the taxpayer into the mess.
Because the president spoke on it. He also spoke about many race dividing topics and always erred on the side of anti-white because he's a fucking nigger.
It is orchestrated. The division between races heightening in the past 10 years is intentional. It destabilizes the nation.
Once again, no reason or ability to create a rebuttal. Just
>Youre a dumbass dude
No way to prove that Bush, while very unpopular didn't have the race issues of Obama. Can you? It couldn't possibly be Obama twitter or making press conferences of supporting the left or siding with minorities before the facts are out.
Not >>60995532 but you describe yourself with polar opposite political philosophies. You either want government to be heavily involved in people's lives or you want government out of people's lives completely.
There never really was any middle ground between people who want to preserve civilization and people who want to tear it down.
What's evaporating is the illusion that a middle ground can be found.
White men will lose. In the future you will be serving black cock on a daily basis.
>How the hell did we get so divided?
It's the growth of Social Media.
We're now directly exposed to each other's opinions without the filters of mass media.
It turns out we don;t much like each other.
White vs Black. Left vs. Right. Diversity vs Homogenity. Poor vs Rich. Atheism vs. Christianity. West vs. East. Gender vs. Social Construct. Patriarchy vs. 3rd Feminism. NATO vs. ISIS. Nationalism vs. Internationalism. Racial Superiority vs. Syrian Refugees. Liberty vs. Security. Capitalism vs. Socialism. Economy vs. Environment. Unity vs. Revolution.
Welcome to 2016.
So ignorant don't you know that all black crime stats are the result of poverty and systematic racism. take the white devil and his laws out of the equation and it will no longer be illegal to rob a liquor store, therefore diminishing the crime stats.
It was way before.
Not only local US politics but also the total fail in US foreign policy and the way the POTUS addressed it.
>leaving iraq, the country went to shit within the POTUS calling the US military out, he blamed the iraqis for it and in the same sentence his generals and the US military. Against all advice of anyone with a brain.
>all his stances during the arabic spring. First he backed Mubarak, than he made some vague statements about blabla might be not so a cool guy probably, ignored his military advisors, blamed the US intelligence on not warning him about the muslim brothers before he enabled the coup.
>The whole mess in Libya, backing and arming a unknown group everyone warned him about suddenly it goes to shit, he blames military advisors and intelligence.
>That complete mismanagement of the occupy movement turning his stance and policy on a daily base calling them traitors to american heroes on a daily base
>Getting cucked by iran, israel, syria, saudi arabia since the took over the office like a complete retard and yet calling it "good deals and we know what we're doing."
>Liberals complain about no one being picked for certain things based on their merit
>claim people just get selected for these types of things because of their skin color
>the people good enough to win an oscar this year are white
>YO DAS RACIS THEM OSCARZ BE NEEDIN MO' BLACK FOLK
What is really awesome is that the next president is going to be white again, so it's all over and the SJW'S and BLM are going to go bezerk but if Trump wins, they will be beaten up in the streets and it will be just the best.