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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/10/us/politics/for-republicans-mounting-fears-of-lasting-split.html
>The Republican Party is facing a historic split over its fundamental principles and identity, as its once powerful establishment grapples with an eruption of class tensions, ethnic resentments and mistrust among working-class conservatives who are demanding a presidential nominee who represents their interests. Rank-and-file conservatives, after decades of deferring to party elites, are trying to stage what is effectively a people’s coup by selecting a standard-bearer who is not the preferred candidate of wealthy donors and elected officials.

>And many of those traditional power brokers, in turn, are deeply uncomfortable and even hostile to Mr. Trump and Mr. Cruz: Between them, the leading candidates do not have the backing of a single senator or governor. “I haven’t seen this large of a division in my career,” said Senator John McCain, the Arizona Republican first elected to Congress in 1982. “You probably have to go back to Ford versus Reagan in 1976. But that was only two people.”

>The divide was evident at a recent Greenville, S.C., gathering of bankers and lawyers, reliable Republicans who shared tea and pastries and their growing anxieties about where their party is going. In a meeting room near the wooded shore of Furman Lake, the group of mostly older white men expressed concern that their party was fracturing over free trade, immigration and Wall Street. And they worried that their candidates — mainstream conservatives like Jeb Bush — were losing.

>“The Republican Party has never done anything for the working man like me, even though we’ve voted Republican for years,” said Leo Martin, a 62-year-old machinist from Newport, N.H., who attended Mr. Trump’s Claremont rally. “This election is the first in my life where we can change what it means to be a Republican.”
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Yeah, appealing to voter interests works, who would have thought?
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>You probably have to go back to Ford versus Reagan in 1976

TRUMP IS THE NEW REAGAN
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>>60966338
>Patrick J. Buchanan, a Nixon and Reagan adviser who ran for the Republican nomination in 1992 and 1996 by stressing the economic and cultural concerns of working-class Americans, said these voters were roiling the party because they had “suffered long enough.”

>Mr. Buchanan cited years of job losses and wage stagnation that he blamed on free-trade deals and cheap labor from illegal immigrants, as well as hardships from foreign wars that have hit families whose children enlisted in hopes of better lives. “The chickens have come home to roost,” Mr. Buchanan said. “Putting the party back together again will be very hard after this nomination race. I think the party is going to shift against trade and interventionism, and become more nationalist and tribal and more about protecting the border.”

>The splits would be difficult to heal no matter the nominee. If an establishment candidate wins the nomination, the highly energized voters backing Mr. Trump and Mr. Cruz may revolt; about 2/3rds of Trump supporters would vote for him as a third-party candidate, according to a Suffolk University/USA Today poll last month. If Mr. Cruz is nominated, he will have to win over party leaders while not appearing to be selling out to his anti-establishment supporters. A Fox News poll released on Friday found that 66% of Cruz supporters in Iowa felt “betrayed” by politicians in their party.

>“If Trump or Cruz wins the White House, then my side of the party has to re-evaluate who we are, what we stand for, and I’d be willing to do that,” Mr. Graham said. “But if Trump or Cruz loses the presidency, would their supporters re-evaluate their views on immigration and other issues that would grow the party? If they do that, we can come back together.

>If they don’t, the party probably splits in a permanent way.”

>>60966446
>>60966473
How does it feel /pol/ to be living through a schism in American Politics not seen in generations?
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>>60966338
Sweet justice.
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>>60966338
>The Republican Party has never done anything for the working man like me, even though we’ve voted Republican for years
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>emotionally pander to white majority for decades
>cynically pivot away as demographics change
>pivot too early
>whites still majority
>whites jump to the pro white candidate

Muh chaos candidate with no experience
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>>60966473
I'd actually argue that Trump's ability to take the party machine head on with his populist message and sheer force of personality even if means threatening a third-party run makes him the new Teddy Roosevelt, or maybe Andrew Jackson.
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>>60966338
>Democracy is actually working
SHUT IT DOWN
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>>60966541
>would their supporters re-evaluate their views on immigration and other issues that would grow the party? If they do that, we can come back together.

>The voter base has to mold to OUR idea of what's best for the country

This is why they will have to go. I'm not terribly a Republican, but we definitely see who's a cuckservative and who's not this cycle and will surely clean house whatever the result of the election.

Fuck em both, let's split from 2 to 4.
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>>60966446
This is the funniest thing about it.

>establishment rages about "populists", because they dare to suggest doing something for the voters rather than small interest groups
>surprised when their influence starts to wane

I mean, what the fuck did they think would happen? You can stay in power for quite a while if you only disadvantage the majority a bit by giving them a smaller share than they'd deserve, but you cannot stay in power if you actually work against them.
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>>60966338
The Democrats are going to undergo a similar split in a few more cycles when the SJW wing alienates centrists.
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>>60966541
Poor Pat, made the fatal mistake of being too right too early.
He was the hero we needed but didn't deserve.
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>>60966338
You mean to say the Tea Party has won, cuckservatives have lost.

We knew it was only a matter of time, but lame media shills imagined they held the power to crush a movement by simple proclamation.

Next we'll see their shock and dismay when occupy progressives give Bernie the nom over Hillary.
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The gop is such a fucking joke. They really can't wrap their heads around why blue collar workers dont like their jobs being shipped overseas. Regardless if trump wins in the end, I hope the gop is utterly destroyed so something, ANYTHING, can replace it.
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>>60967695
the democrats already did years ago when they decided to become corporate-friendly "third way" types. where do you think all those working class republicans came from?
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>>60967709
Buchanan and Trump were both Reform party back in 2000 right? Trump didn't like him very much though
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>>60967603
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/charles-koch-2016-presidential-race-217499
>In an interview with the Financial Times, the billionaire businessman and philanthropist, said he’ll eventually support a candidate who he agrees with on some things, but that it’s hard to get excited. He said a list presented to all the candidates about the Kochs' political arm's priorities “doesn’t seem to faze them much. You’d think we could have more influence.”

>You’d think we could have more influence.”

The guy who was going to bankroll Scott Walker, the first major candidate to drop out is literally complaining that his money isn't buying him more puppet candidates.

>>60967695
I hope so. Then we can have a healthy political system that will make it possible for a Nativist/America First party based on national socialism to come to prominence.

Duverger's Law be darned.
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>>60966541
Cruz is anti-establishment?
Thats news to me. But then I dont really pay attention to the guy either
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>>60968107
>philanthropist
How is that guy anywhere close to being a philanthropist?
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>>60968133
I think he's the next hardest on immigration as well as being tea party without being a betrayer like Gang of 8 Rubio.
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>>60968133
99% of current GOP office holders hate him. Just do a google search of "Cruz" & "Hate" and you'll find reams of articles about it.
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>>60966338
Amazing what a candidate can do when they decide to protize the people who back them up instead of pandering to the wealthy and moderate.
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Why the big deal about it being from the republican side. You're seeing the same shit with Democrats due to Hilary vs. Sanders.

People are sick of candidates who are bought out. They were sick of it in 2012 for the Republican side and after 4 more years of being shit on and everything getting worse they're sick of it on both sides.

The part that sucks is with how the electoral college is set up anything besides a 2 party race fucks up any sort of non-establishment candidate.
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You mean the voice of the people actually means something now? Holy shit!
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>>60966338

Hmmm the democratic party is getting ready to split too.

White socialists VS BLACK POWAH
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>>60968029
Yes, but the establishment will increasingly lose control of its base just like the republicans. 'Bernie' candidates will be the norm. Look at the next election after Hillary.
>Newsome
>Deblasio
>Debbie Wasserman Jewtz
>Malloy
>Elizabeth Warren
>that former mayer of LA

Hillary is the last establishment dem. She's a cameleon, not a true progressive. Just wait. It will get worse, normies aren't going to like it, and SJW are going to rip the candidates to shreds making sure they are pure with the cause.
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>>60968352
All we have are votes. The establishment has the money, the tools, the connections, the inside agents, etc. They can still steal this from us.

Cruz and his idiotic phony supporters are splitting the anti-establishment vote, making it easier for the establishment to steal it from us. I will never forgive these scumbags if that happens.
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>>60968349
>Why the big deal about it being from the republican side.

Trump is making a big fuss about it
Bernie is just going to get cucked and apologise like he did with BLM

One of these makes for a good story
The other doesn't
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>>60968349
Probably because Shillary and Sanders stand for more of the same shit, just to different degrees, while Trump stands for doing a 180° on a lot of topics.
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Whole American political establishment collapses.
Everything surrenders to Trumpism.
In a few decades there will be splits, the Trumpists vs the Trumpeters.
One wants to dig a ditch, the other higher walls.
Only a mote will save them and unite the people once more.
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>tfw you are starting to witness the beginning of everything coming apart at the seams

What a time to be alive.
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>>60968349
Because it's good for Republicans, but bad for Democrats. The split in the Democrats will cause the loss of support for some of their base because the split is between the people and the extremely loud progressive minority that screams on twitter.

The split in the Republicans be largely between the people and politicians.
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>trump or cruz
cruz isn't natural born
trump wins
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>>60966338

He is the Emperor we all need.

Liberals hate him all over the world, liberal media smears him and lies about him 24/7, Republicans try to Jew him, even the fucking Jews hate him now, Saudi Arabia Princes hates him, Britain gets triggered and hates him, and Germany now wants to ban him too.

I wonder why.

Because he is something America has not seen in a long time. A true lover of America.
A lover and defender of Western Civilization.

Because finally a patriot, somebody independent of the corruption, dares to speak up for his country. And its CITIZENS. Even the liberal morons who have been brainwashed into thinking destroying yourself is a good idea.


>Best Trump video/message. Thats his heart and soul right there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmWOOrwDUug


I love you Trump.
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>>60967709
Watching him on the McLaughlin Group over the course of Trumps rise this cycle has been one of the most enjoyable parts of the election season.
You can watch passed episodes here:
https://www.youtube.com/user/mclaughlingroup/videos

I can't imagine the level of personal satisfaction he must feel veracious living through Trump's campaign. I also wonder what Ross Perot thinks about this election.
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>GOP getting assblasted by what voters actually want
>Rich donations butthurt that their money isn't buying them votes
>populace tired of the bullshit

that's what you get
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>>60968349
>Why the big deal about it being from the republican side. You're seeing the same shit with Democrats due to Hilary vs. Sanders.
>People are sick of candidates who are bought out.

What would be really interesting is a Trump like character going third party after the party establishment kicks him out in favour of their chosen one. I say Trump like because I think he can't convince many Dems to switch.

But if you could get that perfect mixed candidate that draws disenfranchised voters from right and left you'd get an explosive mix for the US.

You've spent years cementing a two party system in a country where the founding fathers warned of "factions" early on.

You weren't meant to have it this way. It shouldn't be an inevitability you just get to vote right or left boot to trod on you.
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>>60968598
Make it a movie
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>>60968079
Only because they were competing. Look at the presidential race now, he's attacked people only if they attacked him first or if they threatened his high polling numbers. After the primaries are over, he will be all smiles with most Republican candidates other than the cuckservatives.
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>>60968393
>Warren
>not establishment

Better check her vote on the audit the fed bill again famm....
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>>60967492
>implying the cucks aren't the morons who just vote against the brown people while the rich white corporate bosses destroy their lives
I mean really, the establishment cucked the base. Why does the base think the establishment are cucks? Not racist enough for them? lol
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>>60969101
Ideologically speaking. She's a fucking Harvard professor. She is hard left.
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>>60969101
SJW don't give a shit about the fed. You're misunderstanding their perogatives. They have cognitive dissonance about international banks and merchants. They never connect ALL of the dots and instead choose to see things individually. Their only good quality is that they all secretly or openly hate Israel.
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GOP B T F O

KEKSERVATIVES ON SUICIDE WATCH
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>>60969187
>She's a fucking Harvard professor. She is hard left.
you don't really know how things actually are, do you?
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They should merge with the Democrats and call themselves ZOG.
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PAT BUCHANAN STUMPS FOR TRUMP

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"Trump has raised the very issues I raised in the early 90s," Buchanan said. "I said these trade deals are going to terrible, we're going to lose manufacturing jobs, factories abroad, the real wages of Americans are not going to rise, people are coming across the border it has got to be stopped. What we've got now, 25 years later, is the proof that what we predicted has come to pass. So Donald Trump and others can point out, look, here is what happened."

"If I were running this year in Trump's shoes, I would go into Pennsylvania, and Ohio, and Michigan, and I would say: You want to know why your factories left this country? Because of Bill Clinton with NAFTA and GATT, and the WTO. All those jobs and factories are in China now, some are in Mexico."

"But they're the ones that did it, they're responsible."

***

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/01/10/pat_buchanan_trump_has_cross-party_appeal_because_what_i_warned_about_in_the_90s_has_come_to_pass.html
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>>60969506
buchanan is projecting hardcore. he thinks because trump is xenophobic he's another "paleoconservative", which is just bullshit.
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>>60967301
Pretty much.
The plebes are choosing someone we don't like.
Can't have that.
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>>60969443
Stop trying to create 1:1 parity with republican and democrat leaders. Yes, both establishments are essentially status quo, and they exploit key blocs to secure majorities. However, the hatd left in the democrat party will not let it's candidates get away with posturing in the future. If you're not honestly antiwhite, antimale, pro mass immigration, etc. you will be vilified, just like what is happening with the republicans right now.

The difference between the parties is the true believers are going to push away moderate voters from the demo because it isn't a populist message like Trumpism.
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The hate Trump especially because he won't take their money. He's basically ruining their favorite hobby.
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>>60969187
She has also been in the democratic establishment for 2 decades

She was an assistant to obama, worked with harry reid on numerous deals, and uses her position as leader of the senate ethics comity to overlook anything potentially damaging to the party

she is the definition of an establishment politician
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>>60969808
>If you're not honestly antiwhite, antimale, pro mass immigration, etc. you will be vilified, just like what is happening with the republicans right now.
um, stop trying to create a 1:1 parity with dem and gop voters?

A lot of dems just follow along with the left flank because of muh guilt and aren't really bought in.

And I was referring more to you implying that all harvard professors are hard left.

Warren is certainly a leftist, but she's pretty traditional in focusing on changing existing laws that favor the wealthy to favor the lower classes. I don't really consider that "hard", but it's subjective.
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>>60968832
>>60968832

This with the force of a thousand suns. Trump is something that has not been seen on the world political stage in a long time, a true Patriot.

He bleeds red white and blue, you can tell when he speaks about America and her people, he loves his country. He's not one of these milquetoast globalists or career politicians.

I envy you burgers, you get the chance to elect this man into office. You have the chance to enact true change in your political landscape.
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>>60969848
She is also a leftist. Why is it so hard to understand that leftists ARE the dem establishment now (Debbie), and will be more so in the future. The dem base is taking over their party and it will push out moderates. The divide is happening differently with republicans that have been better at keeping true ideologues out of the PARTY leadership.
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>>60970128

>politicians
>patriots

No. That is not how America works.
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>>60966338

Wir sind das volk.
Wir sind ein volk.

The GOP traitors must go.
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>>60970015
That's my point. A lot of normal, nonideological, dem voters are going to be WTFing come the next presidential cycle assuming progressive trajectories continue.
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>>60970152
oh i must have misunderstood your original post

I though you were saying Warren was NOT an establishment politician

my bad
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There's a group of establishment GOP sitting in the locker room of a country club smoking cigars right now saying "I think Yeb still has a chance, we just need to attack Trump then they'll switch to Yeb guarantee it."
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>>60966473
Fingers crossed.
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>>60968259
http://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2015/06/26/the-koch-brothers-gifts-to-society

Because leftists have lied to you, surprise.
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>>60970302
They pay top dollar for the best "advisers", how could they be wrong?
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GLORIOUS
TRUMP
MASTERRACE
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>>60966541
>if Trump or Cruz loses the presidency, would their supporters re-evaluate their views on immigration
Not a gucking chance in hell
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>the-koch-brothers-
>gifts-to-society
The only gifts they want to give are open borders and much lower wages. Wake up!
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>>60970240
Well it's an odd situation with the dems. Many of their elected officials are establishmemt, but the hard left has been able to dominate the party leadership posts, and state party office apparatus. This is why the dem fields is so small, more top down selection control and pressure from party goons on who can and can't run without reprisals.

Republicans have a totally corporate establishmemt party apparatus that is at war wit is ideological base. The dems will become at war with their NON ideological general election voters.
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>>60970302
>people say Trump can't beat hillary
>meanwhile a few months ago Jeb was going to be the nominee

I just want to hear him hand out more verbal spankings.
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>>60970630

So basically they plan on rigging this shit like in 2000. Got it.
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>>60967188
I'd actually say Andrew Jackson more so. Immigration and federal power increased pretty sharply during Teddies term in office. Still based but I think Andrew Jackson is a better comparison.
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Buchanan is based as fuck. His "Suicide of a superpower" is one of my fav lib wrecking books
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Cicero rightly pointed out that it wasn't Pompei and caeser coming apart that destroyed the republic but their coming together, beforehand.

When the center is see as corrupt and stagnant class of career politicians then extremes are inevitable.
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>>60971258

This.
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>>60971084
This. Trump is definitely the modern Jacksonian candidate. Understanding the Jacksonian tradition is key to understanding Trump's popularity.

https://archive.is/se05y

It's my dream that Trump reshapes the GOP and replace this tired, ineffective "conservatism" with a return to a long lost Jacksonianism.
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>>60969374
Bernie voted for Audit the Fed though.
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>>60971028
Yep
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>>60970226
Good thing trump isn't a politician then.
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>>60971360
>>60971258
We've gotten to the point that the average voter wouldn't even understand these references. Hell, the average politician wouldn't understand either--which is why they always tout our military budget as proof that we're strong.
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>>60966338
International jew is panicking right now
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>>60966473
Have you ever heard of reagonomics, Reagan was the puppet formthe internatiojal Jew and his policies are part of the reason theres a huge gulf between rich and poor
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>>60971495
He's a Communist, er I mean "socialist" (what communists who want to distance themselves from camps and pass slaughter call themselves), not a SJW. Frankly, we'd be better off with an unapologetic Communist Party, than a party that stops short at the useful idiot phase. At least Communists are for order and stability once they rule.
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>>60968878
>https://www.youtube.com/user/mclaughlingroup/videos
Holy fuck, rad as fuck. Thank you for showing me these niggers.
I'm so glad that "old style" news commentary still exists.
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>>60966989
to assume that securing the country's border is somehow a whites only issue is extremely racist.
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>>60971420
Good read -- thanks.
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>>60966541
Not only are we living through this, we also get to howl with laughter at the Democrats, whose populist movement is eating total shit and who have basically nominated a faceless globalist corporate shill.

We are here now, at the turning of the tides. Right Wing Nationalism has, in one election cycle, broken the corporate yoke. We've done what the liberals have been claiming to want to do for decades.
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So in other news Trump is trying to sway many black voters. He's probably the first Republican in forever you're actually seeing trying to do that.

Between his meetings with a group of black ministers, the black ladies at the rally supporting the wall, and now this:

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/gop-primaries/265842-trump-targets-obama-on-iran-economy

And it's hilarious because all Trump would have to do is bring up how nothing changed for the positive for african americans in the last 8 years and now there is more young children being shot by police. He could try and make it sound like Obama set our nation back 20+ years for african american relations.
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This is why there should be 4 political parties in the USA. It makes so much sense.

extreme Rightwing - cruz, rand, w bush, fundementalist christians, abolish IRS, against muslims, anti-lgbt, anti-abortion, deny climate change, almost no taxes, no welfare, jingoism, unions are illegal etc

rightwing - Romney, mccain, agree with scientists, some welfare, low corporate taxes, some free trade, some rights for women, pro establishment, lots of war, work to hurt unions at every chance

leftwing - obamacare, lots wars in the middleeast, some welfare, slightly higher taxes, obama, clintons, 'champagne socialists' overall anti-union

real leftwing - social democracy, sanders, unions are given lots of power, socialized medicine, affordable education, high taxes, limited immigration, jobs not outsourced,


Get your shit together america, two parties can't hold all these ideas
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>>60972750

>all of politics can be broken down to sliding scale
>Canadian poster

Yeah sounds about right.
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>>60966541
>How does it feel /pol/ to be living through a schism in American Politics not seen in generations?
It's also one people have wanted for generations.

The Republican party of today is not the same one that existed even decades ago. It's Diet Democrats. So the current GOP appeals to maybe 3% of voters while neglecting the base that begrudgingly votes for them just because they're not the DNC.

Well whoopsie, now a candidate has come who is going to appeal to 47% of the population by default, and will get upwards of 20% of the vote from the other camp just because he has balls and will support the working class. Suddenly both the GOP and DNC have no cards to play other than meme buzzwords, which are wholly ineffective at this particular moment in culture. Mainstream media, Marxist academia, shilling, and Black Lives Matter saw to that.

Trump is appearing during a perfect storm of a left-wing cultural genocide and Republican cuckoldry. He rejects both, and so he's getting both bases.
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>>60966541
>But if Trump or Cruz loses the presidency, would their supporters re-evaluate their views on immigration and other issues that would grow the party? If they do that, we can come back together.

Fucking retard. These aren't just some intellectual issues that people are against philosophically. Does he really not even realize what he is doing affects people?
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>>60966338

of course the biggest irony is cruz is a sociopath and trump is a manchild, and neither of them will do jack shit for "the working man".

so would you prefer diarrhea, or soupy shit? you choose!
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>>60972884
yeah group ideas. then a person will agree with perhaps 75% of a candidate. right now america has candidates that have to have so many different positions they are so far from appealing to anyone. Someone might be against the IRS and hate unions, but think it's retarded to deny climate change and believe in young earth theory. they have nothing to vote for or support. I think amreica actually wnats it that way tho. they don't want the population to really support any politicians


perhaps that is why so few people in america vote?
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>>60969843
>trump literally tells republican jews he isn't interested in their money and can't be bought
>boo'd for it.

Lefties still try to meme magic that he's the candidate of the juice.
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>>60966541
>Mr. Graham

God can this diseased faggot just shut the fuck up. This old queen is finished politically.
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As a lifelong conservative:

REPUBLICAN PARTY NEEDS TO DIE

Fuck Lindsay Graham, that faggot, and fuck John Mccain, Romney, Dole, and all the other RINOs who have kept the lid on popular white working class sentiment for decades.
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>>60966541
Feels good, man.

I hate both establishments, I'm greatly enjoying this.

I hope it changes the political landscape for a long time
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>>60972938
Its why they so horribly underestimated Trump. They thought this was just a matter of preferences, like deciding between two movies when you go to the cinema.
They are not affected by this, for them it is a game.
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>>60973154
He wasn't boo'd for it. The audience laughed about it.
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>>60966338

>“The Republican Party has never done anything for the working man like me, even though we’ve voted Republican for years,”

holy shit, i thought this kind of thinking only existed in tumblr-tier cartoons
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>>60966338
I am ready,to,be divorced from the Republican establishment. We out number them. The Republican so called establishment will suffer the fate of the Whigs, when the party finally splits.

I have so much rage, bile, and venom toward the Republican establishment that I can barely contain it.
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>>60971258
Cicero also warned about the power of the Jews. Explicitly.
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>>60972938
It's a sickness that has fatally infected the GOP. The notion that the American people are no longer fit to police their own peoplehood. Insanity. There are few things more unamerican than this; few things that fly more directly in the face of our history as a people -- forget about a republic, since this sentiment was part of our peoplehood since the colonial days. We have every right to police the boundaries of our own peoplehood, and calibrate and re-calibrate our immigration, naturalization, and assimilation policies how we see fit, according to the concerns and expectations of the time. It's always been this way. It was always, always this way. Until the Democrat coup of 1965. The Republicans that have bought into the left's revisionism of this aspect of American culture are nothing but compromised by the left.
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>>60972750
I appreciate your sentiment Trudeau but the number of party platforms isn't the problem, it's the fact that the parties themselves have grown fat and with career politicans that don't answer to the voice of the American PEOPLE they were elected to serve. You could have plenty of parties like Sweden or Britan and still have the shitshow we see now, coalitions of the corrupt political elite forming to blockade real change.

>>60973338
Same
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>>60973377
the GOP likes immigration more. it was a rightwing globalize/capitalist/neoliberal logic to have as much immigration and as little borders as possible.

whether it was to outsource labour, or to bring in labourers from outside.

Who do you think hires all the workers and benefits from them? It isn't white working class people. That's why they brought in the asians to make the railroads, the italians to build new york, the mexican to farm and cook and clean

The right made it 'racist' to be against immigration to trick the left into supporting it.
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As a Finn I really don't know what the fuck is going on in the US but I have a gut feeling that Dolan Trump winning the elections would not only be good for US, but also for Europe. I'm not sure whether Trump is truly right-wing, but he does have some pretty good ideas that I would honestly would love to see take place here as well.
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>>60973701

100% this. They paid lip service to immigration for so long until the last election they decided to drop it entirely. Now they are appalled that some would dare to suggest controlling immigration even though it was their "platform" 4 years ago.
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>>60972750
That doesn't work
Eventually two parties would agree to disagree on one candidate to boost their numbers and it would become a two party system again
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>>60973620
the point is they cannot 'answer to the voice of the American PEOPLE' b/c the people are too diverse for one candidate and the world is too complicated for your political system.
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>>60972750
>a left right sliding scale to understand political ideology.
>no libertarians or trump party
>A FUCKING LEAF
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>>60972750

May I ask why you are posting an O'keefe here, of all places?

Didn't even read post was just curious
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>>60966541
>I think the party is going to shift against trade and interventionism, and become more nationalist and tribal and more about protecting the border.”

We can only hope
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>>60973701
Left or right aside, even when we experienced prior immigration waves, the American people still always retained the cultural imperative to turn the faucet handle when they felt overwhelmed, or boxed out by the new arrivals. Hence the string of naturalization laws aimed at curbing immigrant strength in the early 19th century, the outright immigration restrictions beginning with the Chinese Exclusion Act, up through the immigration quotas of the early 20th century, up through the almost complete moratorium on immigration post-ww2, until the coup of 1965.

We've always had agents of immigration-for-cheap-labor in this country. But simultaneously, the people themselves were able to exert their own pressure and collectively grab the handbrake when they felt it was time.

This has been taken from us. We no longer are able to exert control over the scope of our own peoplehood. Until Trump came along.
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>>60968295
Cruz is harder on immigration than Trump. Trump wants the illegals to be deported and have them come back legally ("the big beautiful gate"), Cruz wants them to be banned from re-entry.
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>>60968295
Cuz was paert of Gang of 8 though. He wants moe H1Bs to replace american workers in tech and energy.
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>>60972110
Pretty sure instilling fear of all Mexicans and Muslims is pretty racist
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>>60974052
It's shit, much like his post
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>>60966816

this is how conservacucks actually think
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>>60966338
>>60966541
The saddest part is that 99.9% of the youth in your country don't even have the slightest clue what's happening, probably even 50%+ of the ameritards on /pol/ don't. They're just going around ''HURRDURR TRUMP RAYCISTSS!'' ''YASSSS BABY OLD WHITE GOP BREAKING APART AHAHAH FEEL THE BERN/GO SHILLARY!'', ''MAN WHEN IS THE NEW IPHONE COMING OUT?''

You're lost unless Trump comes into office and fucking turns this shit around
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>>60966338
>mainstream conservatives like Jeb Bush

Top fucking kek

Maybe to clueless faggots in the Jew York Slimes
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>>60974369
Well then you are a stupid person, because neither Mexico or Islam are a race.
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>>60974052
is it one? i thought it was just a gentle water colour, to make sure jimmies stay cool and calm.

>>60974091
i think more than ever now society is a 'juggernaut' like Giddens points out, that is completely out of anyone's control for the most part. Sometimes when a system is implimented at one time, it lives on and continues in unintentional ways in the future
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>>60974401

>effeminate underage faggot who unironically uses the term "redpill" thinks he is smarter than everyone else

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

/pol/ in a nutshell
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>>60974369
>Muslims
>race
How ignorant of you, you bigot ;')
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>>60974209

But that's in part because your average computer science graduate doesn't know how to program worth shit. I've gotten offers from American companies as have many other Finns working in software development, you just don't have the properly educated manpower to fill those jobs.
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>>60973154
He wasn't boo'd.

Trump was the only person to leave that event with his dignity and applause.
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>>60966338
>biggest supporter of Israel

Good riddance

I'm surprised it wasn't split after the disasters of 2008 and 2012 or even the Tea Party
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>>60974490
Okay anti-white.
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>>60966338

Being on the right should be a dynamic thing.

The interests of those against the damages of the left shift and become more complicated as time goes on.

We secure ourselves by taking preemptive measures.
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>>60974200
Isn't that Rubio's thing? Here's Cruz's policy on H-1B
>Suspend the issuance of all H-1B visas for 180 days to complete a comprehensive investigation and audit of pervasive allegations of abuse of the program: Initiate an immediate 180-day investigation and audit of the H-1B visa program and enact fundamental reforms of this program to ensure that it protects American workers. In recent months, more and more reports have become public of companies replacing American workers with cheaper foreign workers, contrary to the stated intent of the H-1B visa program. This will stop, and the H1-B program will be suspended until we can be certain that the program is no longer being abused.
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>>60974571

>TRUMP'S NOT RACIST
>plays the race card

make up your mind kiddo
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>>60974700
What are you talking about? :D
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>>60974665
whoops, meant for
>>60974209
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>>60969687
what?

>Muslims say they want to kill american
>you let them in
>they kill Americans
>trump: maybe we should stop letting them in

>HOLY FUCK WHAT AN IRRATIONAL XENOPHOBE, HE HATES THEM FOR NO LOGICAL REASON

this is pretty simple stuff man
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>>60974449

Yes, it's one of O'keefe's later works when she was losing her eyesight.

Sorry for the momentary artfag autism. Carry on.
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>"The divide was evident at a recent Greenville, S.C., gathering of bankers and lawyers"
>"bankers and lawyers"
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>>60967872
This, let the cuckservatives join the democrats, I dont care if we "lose support" in the short term.
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>>60974502
This is true. Most CS degrees (all undergrad programs here are basically the same) the classes on theory are too far removed to programming and the programming classes spend too much time teaching how to learn languages instead of applying theory.
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>>60974665
He only adopted that policy after Trump outflanked him on the issue.

Cruz is a snake. His ties to the CFR and architects of the proposed North American Union are enough for me to keep me away from that man.

A North American Union is revolution-worthy stuff. It's insane that so-called "conservatives" are supporting this man.
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>>60974814
is that a catpeter?
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>>60974814
she should have only done those later works imo. she inspired soooo many amateur women to paint 'pretty flowers' ugh
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>>60968362
The few soft-socialist non SJW, Jim Webb types should form a center left party with the RINO cuckservatives, then sanders has his pinko degenerate party and the right has is cleansed of the liar faggot RINOs.
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>>60966541
>“But if Trump or Cruz loses the presidency, would their supporters re-evaluate their views on immigration and other issues that would grow the party? If they do that, we can come back together.
>literally saying "agree with what a bunch of rich old assholes want you to do because it makes us money"
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>>60974845
The funny part is these politicians think their base will follow them if they leave. They haven't appealed to the Republican base in a long time, the only reason they get elected is because they're riding off the name that used to hold ideas Republican voters wanted.
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>>60974946
I thought Cruz's whole thing in the senate was being a renegade who pissed off all the republicans,kinda like Rand? I guess he's not linked to Goldman-Sachs for nothing though so it does seem like there's a loyalty conflict.
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>>60975256
I liked Cruz but I trust Rand more, would love a Trump-Paul ticket
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>>60974969

Jim Webb types and RINO types are completely apart. RINO/degeneracy is going to be the combination and soft-socialists will be in the 'middle'.
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>>60975182
what do republican voters really want the most?

I do not understand it. Anything they seem to say they want one of their heroes like Regan or Bush probably did the opposite.

It is one of the political parties on earth that I cannot understand
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Good.
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>>60975496
I agree theres a difference but trying to lump in with the closest. RINOs typically are still strong of defense issues, as is Webb, but otherwise its all wish washy.
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>>60975256
Cruz is a very shrewd politician, nothing more. He saw the winds of change early on and he acted.

You have to remember about Cruz, he's a life-long government bureaucrat that over the course of his career developed deep ties to the neoconservative establishment. He was a Bush Administration official. Before that he was a Bush presidential campaign lawyer. His wife is a sitting member of the Council on Foreign Relations, the most notorious of the neocon think tanks, where she headed up a group that advocates for a North American Union, a concept that is anathema to American conservatives (and the American unionist left, for that matter, too). She's an executive at Goldman Sachs, part of the Wall Street wing of the political establishment. Cruz used Goldman Sachs money to get elected to the Senate in the first place.

Cruz is a talented politician. He saw his party swinging hard right and he jumped all over it, positioning himself as a champion of those causes, but his history and his connections belie any authenticity.
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>>60968349
THIS. that's why it needs to be trump vs Sanders. either way, America wins
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>>60968919
>I say Trump like because I think he can't convince many Dems to switch.
>I think he can't convince many Dems to switch.

>"Nearly 20 percent of likely Democratic voters say they'd cross sides and vote for Trump"
"the crossover Democrats contend they are '100 percent sure' of switching"
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2016-01-08/new-poll-shows-donald-trump-is-a-real-threat-to-hillary-clinton
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>>60966338
>worried that their candidates — mainstream conservatives like Jeb Bush — were losing

They actually think he has a chance?
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>>60975677
>either way
No.

Just no.
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>>60968607
Feels good man
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I hope we see the death of the 2 party system
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>>60968878
holy shit i didnt even know the old mclaughlin guy was still alive. he's been that old for at least 20 years now
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Good. How long did they think pandering to corporations and the most outspoken Christians was going to last. If the establishment gets killed off now, and some key concessions are made to placate the undecided-but-tend-leftist enough to keep them from voting (legalize weed would probably do it), the country might not go full SJW as the boomers keep shrinking.
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>>60974520
I think the Jews have had such an easy time with all the other cuck faggots in office that Trump presents an actual challenge.
If you don't have a challenge, you get bored.
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>>60966338
There will be no split, the current "power brokers" will just see their support wither away. Nobody supports this ridiculous neo-con open borders fantasy, the only support they've got is pragmatists thinking it's the only way to beat the Dems and people who want to use them for their own ends. If you remove the Roves and the Romneys from the party leadership you'll find that nobody will follow those fucks in a party split.
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>>60972110

Its literally not
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>>60975537
That's because the party has been suberted. Most people do not care about how big the government is or free trade. They want to keep their rights and feel like the government not is well functioning and has intentions for Americans over others so likely less cosmo and more isolationist.

Also no one likes Reagan for his policies. Everyone likes Reagan, even my mom who thinks single payer healthcare is smart, but because he felt like a leader to people.
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>>60971084
>>60971420
No coincidence that Jackson is my favorite president.
REMOVE FEATHER.
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>>60976553
Sorry for the shitty reply. Cellphones are trash
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>>60966541
>>“If Trump or Cruz wins the White House, then my side of the party has to re-evaluate who we are, what we stand for, and I’d be willing to do that,” Mr. Graham said. “But if Trump or Cruz loses the presidency, would their supporters re-evaluate their views on immigration and other issues that would grow the party? If they do that, we can come back together.

Jesus Christ, they really do not understand why people oppose uncontrolled immigration, do they? It has such a massive, almost exclusively negative impact on society that pretty much everything else becomes secondary.
This is not something you just "rethink", even if you offered me something totally unrealistic like a 10% tax cut in exchange I'd still tell you to fuck off.
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>>60975619

Webb supporter here. Have actually worked on his campaign a little.

Economically, Webb isn't even a soft socialist. He believes in economic fairness, but this means protecting the economic interests of regular Americans. This means opposing trade deals that will screw people like you and me but he's not out to get corporations like Bernie. Webb's plan has been to actually lower corporate taxes to bring a lot of them back into the US and encourage manufacturing companies to come back to the USA as well. Bernie just wants to tax everyone's shit and Webb knows that is not a smart move.

The only thing that makes Webb a Democrat is that he does not oppose gay marriage and does not think that the mainline GOP cares at all about regular citizens - which we're seeing with the GOP trying to shame their voters into not voting for Trump and to do what their dear leaders want. He's a genuine populist with real plans while Bernie just chants "FREE SHIT" and Trump chants "MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN" (although I'll be voting for Trump if Webb doesn't pick up steam). Webb also realized that the Democrats don't care too much since they're picking Shillary, of all fucking people, and it's an open secret that the DNC has already picked their lady. Bernie is basically running for the VP spot at this point and we all know he's too much of a coward to run independent.

Other than that, Webb's pretty bro-tier.
>pro gun
>only candidate with foreign policy that isn't retarded
>knows that China is the big threat to the USA
>has a spine
>is anti-white privilege
>thinks the Democrats have abandoned white voters
>killed gooks in Vietnam

what more could /pol/ want?
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>>60975677
I'm not America "wins" with either option...but it'll certainly be more interesting than any alternative. Something might actually change, although I'm still unsure as to what.
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>>60966541
THIS DRIVES ME UP THE FUCKING WALL. TRUMP 2016
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>>60972328
bernie is breaking the corporate yolk m8
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>>60976978
/pol/ would support him if he had a chance of winning
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>>60976978
I think Webb should be Donald's VP pick. They may not agree on everything, but it would be a mutually beneficial arrangement. Because, let's face it, Webb is not going to win as an independent. That's dreaming. If Webb was Trump's VP then at least he could exert some manner of influence of Trump's foreign policy.
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>>60969843
When everyone sticks their cell phones in the air, it looks like they're Sieg Heiling
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>>60967695
I'm a former Democrat. That point in time has come and ran away for me. I'm voting for Trump because I can see the toxicity of the new Democratic Party. Frankly I'd rather see a gay (im bisexual myself) turned away because of religion, for example, than people blowing themselves up in the fucking streets and suggesting shit like genital mutilation and utter abuse of all women is equal to not baking a motherfucking cake!

As Trump says, it's insanity... and I'm sane. I know when I'm on the wrong team.
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>>60974209
>>60974502
Look up the IGM Chicago polls of leading economists for the free trade and skilled immigration ones. Literally 0% of economists say that these negatively impact American workers.
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>>60978854
>negatively impact American workers

K

http://cis.org/all-employment-growth-since-2000-went-to-immigrants

http://www.economicvoice.com/bank-of-england-research-finally-accepts-immigration-causes-lower-wages/
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>>60977837
Webb for SecDef
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>>60976978
Great running mate for Trump

Is he competent?
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>And many of those traditional power brokers, in turn, are deeply uncomfortable and even hostile to Mr. Trump and Mr. Cruz

Subtle positioning by the establishment calling Cruz an outsider when he a full blown insider.

I see through your lies MSM.
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>>60979347
tfw you realize Trump is one of those traditional power brokers
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>>60979053
CIS is not a legitimate source, and the Bank of England study, if you bothered to read the one they released in December, supports Card's study. You clearly have never taken a macroeconomics course.
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>>60974882
Nope, it's all fucking Java tutorials on how to make shitware these days. Know the difference between an interface and an abstract class? Here's your masters! We need more theory, more math, more focus on formal correctness instead of testing, and we need to stop teaching with a language designed to be simple enough for curry niggers to take your jobs. If you call yourself a programmer and can't write a Scheme meta-circular evaluator in C and things equality as complex, you are a fucking liar. CS is not for trade schools.

And also a course on how to use VCS would be nice too.
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If you think about it, Trump doesn't have any private donors influencing him.

But wait, he does have one....him! He owns the Trump organization. Don't you think that might be a conflicting interest? I'll bet that his company does abnormally well while he's president
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>>60979584
>John Smith and Paul Brown both work for $15/hour
>Hose-A Martinez and Hose-B Garcia are willing to work for $10/hour
>This will not hurt American workers
Kill yourself, kike shill.
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>>60968878
>"Shut your whores mouths when I say yield."
W-whoa, Mr Mchlauglin. Calm down. You're on camera.
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>>60968349
Trump shits on the establishment and will probably win, Bernie constantly sucks Hillary's clit and tries to cover up her corruption and will probably lose. There's a huge difference.
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>>60977694
Webb is a classic example of a cyclical paradox. Your statement sums it up nicely. People only support things that have a chance of winning, but that's a catch 22 isn't it? You only have a chance of winning if you have supporters, otherwise you're just a loon with some signage and pamphlets that no one reads. How do you get supporters though? People love to bet on a winner, so the best way to get supporters is having a good chance of winning. How do you get a good chance of winning? Why, with supporters of course!

The humor of the issue makes it no less tragic. A shame, since I'd prefer Webb to Clinton and most of the GOP candidates.
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>>60979799
>skilled workers work for $15/hour
I said skilled you fucking illiterate
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>>60980104
Hillary has a whole walk-in wardrobe of skeletons and Bernie can't be bothered to bring one up. He'even grabs a shovel and offers to bury some for her.
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>>60980236
I was using simple numbers to illustrate the general effect, in the hope that your very simple mind might understand that. In that, I made a mistake.
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>>60979586
You're not wrong. A big part of it is that CS professors and professors in general are so far up their own asses. They're often too lazy to teach well and jump at the chance to simplify the course. If they didn't do that, enrollment would be much lower and they would get less money.

Once you get into intermediate algorithms, they should honestly just have the math department teach instead
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>>60966338
DEMOCRATS = pretend to help people steal their money and make them dependent on the government while stealing their rights.
REPUBLICANS = rob the poor to feed the rich while claiming to care and want a better life for all.
Both parties are insance and not a single politician in our nation deserves to lead it. They are all rich bastards looking to manipulate the masses for personal gain. Only a soldier can unite and properly represent America. Only a soldier volunteers his life to protect and defend the constitution and the people of his nation.
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>>60978854
Economists think all borders should be eliminated. They worship at the altar of GDP. If they thought exterminating all life on the planet would somehow increase GDP, they'd be all for it. They don't give the slightest shit about American workers, they just want to see GDP bumped up. They're basically single minded sociopaths. GDP is the basic building block of the universe to them and as a consequence, they worship it like it is their God. Try not sounding like such a retarded cock gobbler when you're fondling the balls of your economist heroes. They are the globalist scum ruining everything.
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>>60979584
Look, we found the kike.
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>>60971927
That dog is happy as fuck.
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>>60980397
>insance
Fucking Auto correct should be insane. Its like 4chan is trying to censor me some days.
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>>60966338
>gathering of bankers and lawyers, reliable Republicans who shared tea and pastries


fucking cunts
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>>60966338
>Ted Cruz has not governor or senator endorsements

Someone has not done their research. Most tea party candidates are supportive of each other.
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>been a Paul supporter ever since he announced presidency
>starting to like Trump after hating him ever since he announced he was running.

No. Meme magic must not work. Trump doesn't have the experience of governing a lot of people. He'll never be president.
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>>60979584
You've clearly never lived in the real world.
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>>60980397

Yep. But 90% of America isn't prepared to admit how badly it fucked itself over.

It will get much worse before it gets better.
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>>60971084
Trump idea mix I think, he would expand federal power surely but he's a popular America first unlike teddy.
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>>60968029
yea, we saw that big shift of blue dogs low key turning to moderate republicans
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>>60979799
Jose and Jose both work for $13/hr, but agree to pay their own taxes, licenses, and insurance (which they never do); thus cutting your labor costs by 2/3 rather than 1/3.
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>they're trying to imply Cruz isn't a neocon astroturf
>when his wife was literally promoted to a high-ranking position at Goldman Sachs when he became an elected, seated senator
>and he "accidentally" failed to report donations to his campaign from Goldman-Sachs

cruz is a rat-faced little canadian fink who is 100% in the pocket of the bankers. implying he can't be bought is fucking hilarious
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>>60966816
What have they done?

Fighting against gays and defunding government and giving rich people tax cuts doesn't put food on poor white peoples tables.
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>>60967872
>tfw it could really happen

>Select all images with trains.
Unstoppable.
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>>60981108
I'm armed and waiting I will be just fine until the rest are ready to admit whats happening. Then I will unleash hell on the enemies hiding like cowards inside my nation.
>against all enemies foreign and domestic
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>>60966338
Republican politicians were bought by the Chamber of Commerce and thought playing up religion would keep people voting for them.

Unfortunately, this worked for a while.
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>>60981388
cruz is the most disingenuous looking and sounding person i've ever seen. no idea how anyone can believe him or take him seriously.
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>>60981571

For once, I'd love a Republican to actually uphold their "Job Creation" promise. Just giving people reasonable work is enough, desu. But apparently, "Job Creators don't have to create Jobs." It's ridiculous how little responsibility the party of "responsibility" practices.

>>60981699

The fucked up part is that the Religious Right actually destroyed Christianity in America. When I am in my 40s, America will be as Secular as Europe.
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>>60980397
BUT who do you think that Average Soldier who statically will be a lower middle class white man wants to vote for this go around.....ill give you hint he cant be stumped.
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>>60981705
This is the problem with Cruz. Even people who identify with his politics find him offputting. He stands absolutely zero chance at persuading people who aren't even sold on his politics yet. Cruz supporters are God damn deluded if they think he could win a general election. They remind me of Palin supporters who didn't realize how bad she looked to everyone outside their bubble.
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>>60966989
>importing third world welfare leeches is a positive valid democracy strategy
>posts smug anime face
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>>60972750
Two words: Electoral College

There is no viable way to have more than two parties competing for president, because of the 51%-or-fuck-you rules of how we elect presidents. This reduces the effectiveness of a third party in anything else.

Nice try, dude weed lmao.
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>>60973335
they have no alternative
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>>60974197
Cruz is a shill who will say anything to get votes. In reality he is a hard core conservative who used anti obongo sentiment to rise to power.
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>>60974502
Wrong. It is a cost cutting procedure.
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>>60981937
He shouldn't be voting for anyone he should be running for office. We need leaders not more businessmen. Businessmen do what is in their nature and that's make themselves money. A soldier will do what is in his nature and that is protect the nation. I don't believe trump will do anything he says except make rich people richer like every politician does. He talks a good game but in the end hes a money grubber like all rich men.
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So what's stopping me from writing an article about how the political elites, establishment, and millionaires picked their candidates. Forced them on the public, and they still lost?

Trump and Cruz represent street justice. A taste of their own medicine they've been peddling the public for years.

How's it taste you conservative cucks?
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GOP and Bush family simply aren't ready to let go of that Saudi cock yet.

So they choose to fight Trump on the behalf of their muslim masters.
Jeb and Chris Christie in particular.
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>>60966541
>“If Trump or Cruz wins the White House, then my side of the party has to re-evaluate who we are, what we stand for, and I’d be willing to do that,” Mr. Graham said. “But if Trump or Cruz loses the presidency, would their supporters re-evaluate their views on immigration and other issues that would grow the party? If they do that, we can come back together.

who gives a shit what graham says? He never registered above 1%, and I doubt that 1% came from hispanics.
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>>60981571

Fighting the gays was the most pointless thing the conservatives actually did because they fired off all their bullets, hit nothing, and are now all out of ammo when a real threat like SJWs and Muslims is here.

All it did was divide white people more.
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>>60979347
Cruz's wife was literally a higher up at Goldman Sachs.
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>>60982463
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>>60982281

This. /pol/ lives in its Naziboo universe where Jews are the only threat. There are several different factions who game the lobbying of the GOP -- Muslims, Jews, corporations, churches etc. -- and Trump is a threat to several of them.
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>>60982256
SO continue to be cucked m8 got it lol your logic goes NO WHERE.

NO SOLDIER IS PROTECTING OUR NATION IN A SINLGE WAR WE ARE IN AS WE SPEAK

your point would be more coherent if you said he also should not volunteer for a military fighting other nations wars at the will at those so called corrupt politicians
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>>60982256
90% of modern soilders are the equivalent of key word "pussy" mercenaries who happen to be well financed.

No patriotism, no honour. Straw manning them as leaders when only the best are, is the same as straw manning businessmen as intelligent, competent enterprisers.

~a soilder who actually cares
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>>60981937
As an infantryman in the us army I can say without pause that in my platoon (28) guys all but 3 are definite trump voters. Of the three, two are apathetic to all politics. And the tried is a super blue pulled nignog. Who thinks trump is le evil rasis
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>>60982463
It kept Bush in power, which was all the conservatives cared about back then.
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>>60982624

So what exactly did it achieve by calling various white children unnatural or degenerate so their parents would obviously reject conservatism and run off to SJW liberalism?

How did dividing the white voting bloc so that race became a non-issue and sexuality became a massive one help nationalism in any way at all?
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>>60982714
Your an idiot and will reap what you sow. This whole process is a sham run by the rich to fool people into thinking they have a choice. The military has done more in their lives than you will in yours but you will see that for yourself in time. Enjoy getting poorer while every politician gets richer.

“I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.” -Woodrow Wilson
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>>60966541
It's not though. What will actually change if Trump gets elected?

You'll still have a senate and congress full of shills. Presidents aren't dictators in the US, they're figureheads.

I'm still waiting for /pol/ to actually elucidate on how Trump will tangibly change anything. The money is still all in the same hands now as it will be if and when he becomes President; and thus the media, big business, all of the real levers of power will all still be in the same hands.

/pol/ acting as if Trump will be able to actually do anything tangible is laughable. He's false opposition that is skillfully composed to make the people think "something different is finally here."

Which is the same shit that happens every few years...

Do you honestly believe your life will change at all with Trump... get real. The Germans' lives did change tangibly with Hitler and the Nazis, they were first class citizens in their country, and everyone else was a guest at best.

Trump isn't going to suddenly cater to your "white interests."

I can't believe this fucking delusion is being fostered here. It's insane.
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>>60982901
The truth hurts deal with it.
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>>60982256
As a soldier I can say flat out neither I nor any of my battles give a fuck like that. Yes we love our country but on that down low type way like flag waving patriotism is for boots and civilians.
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>>60982954

You sound like a fucking nigger.
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>>60966338
Oh look, the Jew York Times using divide and conquer. The sake could be said about the Democrats between Hillary and Bernie, I wonder if they will ever do an article about that though :^)
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>nytimes reporting that the Republicans are fracturing

Except the part where the Democrats are bleeding working class voters to Trump
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>>60982946
The fact you faggots BLAMED OBAMA for everything he did like it was his choice the inverse is true for trump m8 don't hide form the narrative you all made now. As lax as Obama made the laws trump can do the same in reverse m8 and no one will be bale to say shit with the precedent Obama has set.
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>>60982946
>le delusion

The only delusional one here is you

Deportation is the law
The president can keep muslims out under the law
The president can issue as many executive orders as he likes

If a Republican congress goes against a Republican president then 2018 will see dozens of Republicans primaried out of their seats by nationalists

It is over for the shills, either they get on board the Trump train or they starve

>false opposition

DUDE JUST WAIT FOR HITLER LOL

Fuck off
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The thing about Cruz is, overall he is far more right wing which is why I like him. But he's not as electable as trump and he isn't as extreme in any particular issue as trump is in a few of his views.

I would vote for Cruz If trump wasn't involved, but if trump wins that opens the door to the far right, the authoritarian right.

I just might live to finally see American Fascism.
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>>60979716
If trump makes America great again people will have more to spend at Trump casinos. I don't have a problem with that
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>>60982946
It would change a lot in people's perceptions, think about how much attention a president gets, it's the power to red pill your nation.
The unconstitutional cult of islam wants your country's death, it would be nice if you for once had a president who mobilised the people against them, cut throught the political correctness.

Other countries such as Germany have been cucked to look up to America, when you save yourself, you also save those cucks.
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>>60972328
It's pretty funny how the revolution is coming from the right, not the left. The left is such a shitty coalition of minorities, gays, and liberals, they can't agree on anything.

>>60974091
50 years ago, Western civilization was reaching its peak. Now it's in decline.
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Good.

>American Nationalist Party when?

ANP has a ring to it
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>>60982680
Zionist Jews are the primary threat because Zionist neocons prevented Buchanan and the paleocons from achieving their goal of removing taco and fried rice from premises back in 1980 to shift demographics back to 1950

We can't go back to 1950 because the Jews adopted a policy of "wars for Israel, Israel for the Jews and America for everyone" in 1980. They must be thrown out.
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Just a bunch of whiny little bitch cuckservatives. Make no mistake, they will still endorse Trump or Cruz when they get the nomination
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>>60983383
>>60983293
>>60983171

Trump is seeking the presidency for his personal shallow baby boomer vanity, NOT because he wants to restore European dominance to the western lands.

That is all there is to it. Full stop.
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>>60983587
It's worth a try. Give him the chance to red pill your nation, and there will be others after him who will follow his recipe.
It will spell the doom of the current Saudi cock suckers in GOP, but a new GOP will be born from it.
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>>60983587
Sure thing, Yeb.
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>>60982233

So importing people across the pond to do the same job for exact same or higher salary is cost-cutting? The company I work for has a massive problem in the US end because they can't find the people to do the jobs, which leads them to hire people elsewhere. Obviously there are good programmers in the US, but your average CS graduate simply doesn't receive the skills for the basic entry-level jobs and it has to do with the quality of education.
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>>60981911
>The fucked up part is that the Religious Right actually destroyed Christianity in America. When I am in my 40s, America will be as Secular as Europe.

WHY IS EVERYONE ON /pol/ SO FUCKING RETARD

CHRISTIANITY WAS DYING OUT ALREADY BECAUSE IT WAS THE SAME KIND OF APATHETIC BULLSHIT AS IT IS IN EUROPE, THE RELIGIOUS RIGHT SAVED CHRISTIANITY

AND NO, YOU'RE RETARDED. THE RELIGIOUS RIGHT WILL SEXTUPLE THEIR NUMBERS BETWEEN NOW AND 2100 THROUGH BIRTHS ALONE- THAT'S 180 MILLION MOSTLY PROTESTANT NORTHERN EUROPEAN WHITE PEOPLE
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>>60983587
Nice opinion m8.
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>>60983827
televangelist scum like cruz are not saving Christianity, they are corrupting it further.
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>>60981571
Increasing gibs for monorities and blaming whitz folk for everything does help either.
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>>60978854
Economists are idealists that think open borders would be great for GDP. They ignore that having a country to belong to makes the common man infinitely richer than doubling GDP. They ignore ethnic conflict and strife. They ignore the value of competing countries.

Most importantly, they ignore that open borders primarily benefits the rich. Lower wages lead to lower prices, sure, but almost all the value of lower wages goes to the shareholders (the rich). People who only have their own labor get screwed.

Economists bow to the throne of GDP, with simplistic models that assume all humans are interchangeable cogs.
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>>60981996

One word: Fusionism
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>>60968919
I don't really want what's swinging between the boots
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>>60984475

A man can dream....
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>>60970766
This is all smoke and mirrors really. In the Republican party, you have a clear establishment- made up of big spenders, more regulations, they are corporatists, and for open borders. They have nearly dominated the party since Reagan left office. The Democrats area different story. You dont hear the term "Democrat establishement often. That's not because there isnt one, its because there arent any real opponents to them. And all Democrats are leftist, so stop splitting hairs. They might talk differently, but in the end they are all statists. You will not find a single Democrat who wants to cut spending, lower regulation, secure borders, and stop amnesty.
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>>60982946

It's a start. Actually following laws that already exist, appointing department heads based on their competence rather than political favors, and bringing the country together are the immediate gains. You're also underestimating how many people will back Trump for political gain if he gets a big win.
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>>60972750
This is retarded. You just put W bush in the same group as Trump and Cruz. Not even going to get into the rest of that mess you wrote.

And stop trying to differentiate between the far left, left, and Republican establishment. They are all big government and open borders.
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>>60966338
The split has been ongoing for eight years, with roots going back far longer than that (BRIGADE!). Nice of the establishment to take notice. It only took a complete revolt for them to do so.
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>>60974209
Wrong. I support Trump, but Cruz introduced a poison pill to defeat the bill. Get your facts straight.
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>>60975537
Well, part of it is relative, Reagan was better then most Republicans. As for Bush, he is not really looked up to by conservatives. By their nature, true conservatives should dislike all politicians in general.
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>>60975677
>Sanders becomes president
>America "winning"
It's beat down time
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HOW MANY HOURS TILL THE GOP?
help a german patriot out
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>>60976978
One big problem. He is pro amnesty.
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>>60985027
s-sauce?
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>>60968832
What speech is that video from? Doesn't sound like an interview and doesn't sound like a rally.. Nearly teared up a little bit though holy hell
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>>60974209
>>60974946
>Cuz was paert of Gang of 8 though.
No. He sank the Gang of 8's legislation.
>He wants moe H1Bs to replace american workers in tech and energy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLiM1awLylc
>He only adopted that policy after Trump outflanked him on the issue.
Trump didn't have those positions at all before the race, has implied very much the opposite even after getting in. Trump is good on immigration only because he conspicuously tried to appropriate Cruz's stances. I don't even mind that; two front runners battling in out as to how common sensical immigration ought be handled by the "new Republican" approach is a good thing. But holding one to account for a minor alteration in his position but not the other for a larger one is majorly disingenuous.

And, really, this guy
>BwZrqiBj
>>60968438
>>60974946
>>60975675
>>60977837
>nutty conspiracies regarding Cruz, wants Democrat Webb on the ticket
But at least I'm beginning to understand where all this is coming from.
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>>60966338
GOP has become a corrupt, bloated abomination. Alienating its base and always bowing to the left. It was only a matter of time before something like this happened. Change is in the air fellow burgers.
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>>60966541
God, Graham sounds like such a conniving kike here.
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>>60982946
>Implying we're not in a post-constitutional era
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>>60988060
Don't have it. Sorry. Try to get the real thing.
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>>60989816
I'm on /pol/
What makes you think I'm capable of getting the real thing?
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>>60968133
He's not. His wife is a high-up in goldman sachs.
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>>60985027
>In the Republican party, you have a clear establishment- made up of big spenders, more regulations, they are corporatists, and for open borders. They have nearly dominated the party since Reagan left office
The true tragedy of Reagan's Alzheimer's. He wasn't around to cut people off at the knees if ever they spoke establishment nonsense in his name. And so a generation went by (Buchanan & Perot's candidacy not withstanding) before voters woke up to the fact that the party was wholly taken over by the weaker end of the compromised 1980 ticket.
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>>60966541

Comparing Trump to the Buchanan run is a legitimate one- but Trump's definitely got more charisma and a much less tolerant-of-the-status-quo voter base in the Republican party.

I've said before that this year is where the GOP has to either double down on the popular choice or splinter the party in denying the nomination to a non-establishment candidate.

And given that now that Cruz has started hitting Trump, followed by embarrassing shit on Cruz (undisclosed loans for his campaign) leaking out in return...Trump is not only running a populist campaign, he's running a tight one in the traditional sense of the word.

They expected a novelty candidate. What they got with Trump was a shark in a business suit swimming around in the tank, getting blood in the water and triggering a feeding frenzy in the rank and file.
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>>60967872

The Republicans pulling the Tea Party in for short-term gains has turned into a potential fragmentation event for the GOP.

It's been decades since there's been a shift in the two-party system, if not over a century really. This would clear some of the stagnation.
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>>60966541
>re-evaluate their views on immigration and other issues that would grow the party

NEVER...... DIE IN A CAR FIRE YOU CLOSET FAGGOT
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>>60981571
Tax breaks that all they've done. They stopped Democrats from taxing white people and redistributing the wealth to minorities. This does not make up for what the Republicans did with mass immigration and free trade.
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>>60990902
>let more law breaking illegals in, goy
>it'll increase the republicanparty, goy
>quit being racist, goy
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>>60988173

>Speech

Its from his Crippled America book i think.
Audio version when he reads it.
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>>60992161
Trump read the introduction to Crippled America audio book. That's what the speech is.
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>>60979584
>CIS is not a legitimate source
>Ms. Zeigler earned a B.S. in Applied Mathematics and Criminal Justice from Shippensburg University, and a Master’s in Justice, Law, and Crime Policy from George Mason University
>Dr. Camarota received a master’s degree in political science from the University of Pennsylvania and later earned a doctorate degree from the University of Virginia in public policy analysis.
>Dr. Camarota has testified before Congress more than any other non-government expert on the economic and fiscal impact of immigration. In addition, he was the lead researcher on a contract with the Census Bureau examining the quality of immigrant data in the American Community Survey.
>Dr. Camarota’s research has been featured on the front pages of The New York Times, The Washington Post, and USA Today as well as numerous other media outlets. His academic articles have been published for journals, including the Public Interest and Social Science Quarterly. He has also written general interest pieces for such publications as the Chicago Tribune and National Review. His analysis and commentary are frequently heard on radio and television news programs including CNN, MSNBC, Fox News Channel, NBC Nightly News, and ABC World News Tonight, CBS Evening News, National Public Radio, and NewsHour on PBS.

OK, dude. You're not a moron or fucking kike at all.
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>>60970778
Trump already beat Hillary so badly she might lose to a socialist Jew
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>>60994130
By "not a legitimate source" he means a group which originally set out to study immigration and then became redpilled on the issue.
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>>60976978
I would vote for Jim Webb even if he was running as an independent if I was American. I hope /webb/ threads make a comeback once he's formally announced his run and the general election has started.
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>>60994440
That's generally what happens, and why a particular issue is often not studied. Look at Harvard University professor Robert Putnam's "E Pluribus Unum". He sets to study the social impact of diversity and discovers he's the first one to ever actually analyze the issue, then discovers it's a net less for society, that diversity is a liability.
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>>60970226
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>>60974197
lies
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>>60969155
>implying the cucks aren't the morons who just vote against the brown people while the rich white corporate bosses destroy their lives
The brown people imported by rich white/jewish corporate bosses to depress wages, you mean?
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