>The Republican Party is facing a historic split over its fundamental principles and identity, as its once powerful establishment grapples with an eruption of class tensions, ethnic resentments and mistrust among working-class conservatives who are demanding a presidential nominee who represents their interests. Rank-and-file conservatives, after decades of deferring to party elites, are trying to stage what is effectively a people’s coup by selecting a standard-bearer who is not the preferred candidate of wealthy donors and elected officials.
>And many of those traditional power brokers, in turn, are deeply uncomfortable and even hostile to Mr. Trump and Mr. Cruz: Between them, the leading candidates do not have the backing of a single senator or governor. “I haven’t seen this large of a division in my career,” said Senator John McCain, the Arizona Republican first elected to Congress in 1982. “You probably have to go back to Ford versus Reagan in 1976. But that was only two people.”
>The divide was evident at a recent Greenville, S.C., gathering of bankers and lawyers, reliable Republicans who shared tea and pastries and their growing anxieties about where their party is going. In a meeting room near the wooded shore of Furman Lake, the group of mostly older white men expressed concern that their party was fracturing over free trade, immigration and Wall Street. And they worried that their candidates — mainstream conservatives like Jeb Bush — were losing.
>“The Republican Party has never done anything for the working man like me, even though we’ve voted Republican for years,” said Leo Martin, a 62-year-old machinist from Newport, N.H., who attended Mr. Trump’s Claremont rally. “This election is the first in my life where we can change what it means to be a Republican.”
>Patrick J. Buchanan, a Nixon and Reagan adviser who ran for the Republican nomination in 1992 and 1996 by stressing the economic and cultural concerns of working-class Americans, said these voters were roiling the party because they had “suffered long enough.”
>Mr. Buchanan cited years of job losses and wage stagnation that he blamed on free-trade deals and cheap labor from illegal immigrants, as well as hardships from foreign wars that have hit families whose children enlisted in hopes of better lives. “The chickens have come home to roost,” Mr. Buchanan said. “Putting the party back together again will be very hard after this nomination race. I think the party is going to shift against trade and interventionism, and become more nationalist and tribal and more about protecting the border.”
>The splits would be difficult to heal no matter the nominee. If an establishment candidate wins the nomination, the highly energized voters backing Mr. Trump and Mr. Cruz may revolt; about 2/3rds of Trump supporters would vote for him as a third-party candidate, according to a Suffolk University/USA Today poll last month. If Mr. Cruz is nominated, he will have to win over party leaders while not appearing to be selling out to his anti-establishment supporters. A Fox News poll released on Friday found that 66% of Cruz supporters in Iowa felt “betrayed” by politicians in their party.
>“If Trump or Cruz wins the White House, then my side of the party has to re-evaluate who we are, what we stand for, and I’d be willing to do that,” Mr. Graham said. “But if Trump or Cruz loses the presidency, would their supporters re-evaluate their views on immigration and other issues that would grow the party? If they do that, we can come back together.
>If they don’t, the party probably splits in a permanent way.”
How does it feel /pol/ to be living through a schism in American Politics not seen in generations?
>emotionally pander to white majority for decades
>cynically pivot away as demographics change
>pivot too early
>whites still majority
>whites jump to the pro white candidate
Muh chaos candidate with no experience
I'd actually argue that Trump's ability to take the party machine head on with his populist message and sheer force of personality even if means threatening a third-party run makes him the new Teddy Roosevelt, or maybe Andrew Jackson.
>would their supporters re-evaluate their views on immigration and other issues that would grow the party? If they do that, we can come back together.
>The voter base has to mold to OUR idea of what's best for the country
This is why they will have to go. I'm not terribly a Republican, but we definitely see who's a cuckservative and who's not this cycle and will surely clean house whatever the result of the election.
Fuck em both, let's split from 2 to 4.
This is the funniest thing about it.
>establishment rages about "populists", because they dare to suggest doing something for the voters rather than small interest groups
>surprised when their influence starts to wane
I mean, what the fuck did they think would happen? You can stay in power for quite a while if you only disadvantage the majority a bit by giving them a smaller share than they'd deserve, but you cannot stay in power if you actually work against them.
You mean to say the Tea Party has won, cuckservatives have lost.
We knew it was only a matter of time, but lame media shills imagined they held the power to crush a movement by simple proclamation.
Next we'll see their shock and dismay when occupy progressives give Bernie the nom over Hillary.
The gop is such a fucking joke. They really can't wrap their heads around why blue collar workers dont like their jobs being shipped overseas. Regardless if trump wins in the end, I hope the gop is utterly destroyed so something, ANYTHING, can replace it.
>In an interview with the Financial Times, the billionaire businessman and philanthropist, said he’ll eventually support a candidate who he agrees with on some things, but that it’s hard to get excited. He said a list presented to all the candidates about the Kochs' political arm's priorities “doesn’t seem to faze them much. You’d think we could have more influence.”
>You’d think we could have more influence.”
The guy who was going to bankroll Scott Walker, the first major candidate to drop out is literally complaining that his money isn't buying him more puppet candidates.
I hope so. Then we can have a healthy political system that will make it possible for a Nativist/America First party based on national socialism to come to prominence.
Duverger's Law be darned.
Amazing what a candidate can do when they decide to protize the people who back them up instead of pandering to the wealthy and moderate.
Why the big deal about it being from the republican side. You're seeing the same shit with Democrats due to Hilary vs. Sanders.
People are sick of candidates who are bought out. They were sick of it in 2012 for the Republican side and after 4 more years of being shit on and everything getting worse they're sick of it on both sides.
The part that sucks is with how the electoral college is set up anything besides a 2 party race fucks up any sort of non-establishment candidate.
Yes, but the establishment will increasingly lose control of its base just like the republicans. 'Bernie' candidates will be the norm. Look at the next election after Hillary.
>Debbie Wasserman Jewtz
>that former mayer of LA
Hillary is the last establishment dem. She's a cameleon, not a true progressive. Just wait. It will get worse, normies aren't going to like it, and SJW are going to rip the candidates to shreds making sure they are pure with the cause.
All we have are votes. The establishment has the money, the tools, the connections, the inside agents, etc. They can still steal this from us.
Cruz and his idiotic phony supporters are splitting the anti-establishment vote, making it easier for the establishment to steal it from us. I will never forgive these scumbags if that happens.
>Why the big deal about it being from the republican side.
Trump is making a big fuss about it
Bernie is just going to get cucked and apologise like he did with BLM
One of these makes for a good story
The other doesn't
Whole American political establishment collapses.
Everything surrenders to Trumpism.
In a few decades there will be splits, the Trumpists vs the Trumpeters.
One wants to dig a ditch, the other higher walls.
Only a mote will save them and unite the people once more.
>tfw you are starting to witness the beginning of everything coming apart at the seams
What a time to be alive.
Because it's good for Republicans, but bad for Democrats. The split in the Democrats will cause the loss of support for some of their base because the split is between the people and the extremely loud progressive minority that screams on twitter.
The split in the Republicans be largely between the people and politicians.
He is the Emperor we all need.
Liberals hate him all over the world, liberal media smears him and lies about him 24/7, Republicans try to Jew him, even the fucking Jews hate him now, Saudi Arabia Princes hates him, Britain gets triggered and hates him, and Germany now wants to ban him too.
I wonder why.
Because he is something America has not seen in a long time. A true lover of America.
A lover and defender of Western Civilization.
Because finally a patriot, somebody independent of the corruption, dares to speak up for his country. And its CITIZENS. Even the liberal morons who have been brainwashed into thinking destroying yourself is a good idea.
>Best Trump video/message. Thats his heart and soul right there.
I love you Trump.
Watching him on the McLaughlin Group over the course of Trumps rise this cycle has been one of the most enjoyable parts of the election season.
You can watch passed episodes here:
I can't imagine the level of personal satisfaction he must feel veracious living through Trump's campaign. I also wonder what Ross Perot thinks about this election.
>GOP getting assblasted by what voters actually want
>Rich donations butthurt that their money isn't buying them votes
>populace tired of the bullshit
that's what you get
>Why the big deal about it being from the republican side. You're seeing the same shit with Democrats due to Hilary vs. Sanders.
>People are sick of candidates who are bought out.
What would be really interesting is a Trump like character going third party after the party establishment kicks him out in favour of their chosen one. I say Trump like because I think he can't convince many Dems to switch.
But if you could get that perfect mixed candidate that draws disenfranchised voters from right and left you'd get an explosive mix for the US.
You've spent years cementing a two party system in a country where the founding fathers warned of "factions" early on.
You weren't meant to have it this way. It shouldn't be an inevitability you just get to vote right or left boot to trod on you.
Only because they were competing. Look at the presidential race now, he's attacked people only if they attacked him first or if they threatened his high polling numbers. After the primaries are over, he will be all smiles with most Republican candidates other than the cuckservatives.
Better check her vote on the audit the fed bill again famm....
>implying the cucks aren't the morons who just vote against the brown people while the rich white corporate bosses destroy their lives
I mean really, the establishment cucked the base. Why does the base think the establishment are cucks? Not racist enough for them? lol
SJW don't give a shit about the fed. You're misunderstanding their perogatives. They have cognitive dissonance about international banks and merchants. They never connect ALL of the dots and instead choose to see things individually. Their only good quality is that they all secretly or openly hate Israel.
PAT BUCHANAN STUMPS FOR TRUMP
"Trump has raised the very issues I raised in the early 90s," Buchanan said. "I said these trade deals are going to terrible, we're going to lose manufacturing jobs, factories abroad, the real wages of Americans are not going to rise, people are coming across the border it has got to be stopped. What we've got now, 25 years later, is the proof that what we predicted has come to pass. So Donald Trump and others can point out, look, here is what happened."
"If I were running this year in Trump's shoes, I would go into Pennsylvania, and Ohio, and Michigan, and I would say: You want to know why your factories left this country? Because of Bill Clinton with NAFTA and GATT, and the WTO. All those jobs and factories are in China now, some are in Mexico."
"But they're the ones that did it, they're responsible."
Stop trying to create 1:1 parity with republican and democrat leaders. Yes, both establishments are essentially status quo, and they exploit key blocs to secure majorities. However, the hatd left in the democrat party will not let it's candidates get away with posturing in the future. If you're not honestly antiwhite, antimale, pro mass immigration, etc. you will be vilified, just like what is happening with the republicans right now.
The difference between the parties is the true believers are going to push away moderate voters from the demo because it isn't a populist message like Trumpism.
The hate Trump especially because he won't take their money. He's basically ruining their favorite hobby.
She has also been in the democratic establishment for 2 decades
She was an assistant to obama, worked with harry reid on numerous deals, and uses her position as leader of the senate ethics comity to overlook anything potentially damaging to the party
she is the definition of an establishment politician
>If you're not honestly antiwhite, antimale, pro mass immigration, etc. you will be vilified, just like what is happening with the republicans right now.
um, stop trying to create a 1:1 parity with dem and gop voters?
A lot of dems just follow along with the left flank because of muh guilt and aren't really bought in.
And I was referring more to you implying that all harvard professors are hard left.
Warren is certainly a leftist, but she's pretty traditional in focusing on changing existing laws that favor the wealthy to favor the lower classes. I don't really consider that "hard", but it's subjective.
This with the force of a thousand suns. Trump is something that has not been seen on the world political stage in a long time, a true Patriot.
He bleeds red white and blue, you can tell when he speaks about America and her people, he loves his country. He's not one of these milquetoast globalists or career politicians.
I envy you burgers, you get the chance to elect this man into office. You have the chance to enact true change in your political landscape.
She is also a leftist. Why is it so hard to understand that leftists ARE the dem establishment now (Debbie), and will be more so in the future. The dem base is taking over their party and it will push out moderates. The divide is happening differently with republicans that have been better at keeping true ideologues out of the PARTY leadership.
No. That is not how America works.
There's a group of establishment GOP sitting in the locker room of a country club smoking cigars right now saying "I think Yeb still has a chance, we just need to attack Trump then they'll switch to Yeb guarantee it."
Well it's an odd situation with the dems. Many of their elected officials are establishmemt, but the hard left has been able to dominate the party leadership posts, and state party office apparatus. This is why the dem fields is so small, more top down selection control and pressure from party goons on who can and can't run without reprisals.
Republicans have a totally corporate establishmemt party apparatus that is at war wit is ideological base. The dems will become at war with their NON ideological general election voters.
>people say Trump can't beat hillary
>meanwhile a few months ago Jeb was going to be the nominee
I just want to hear him hand out more verbal spankings.
I'd actually say Andrew Jackson more so. Immigration and federal power increased pretty sharply during Teddies term in office. Still based but I think Andrew Jackson is a better comparison.
Buchanan is based as fuck. His "Suicide of a superpower" is one of my fav lib wrecking books
Cicero rightly pointed out that it wasn't Pompei and caeser coming apart that destroyed the republic but their coming together, beforehand.
When the center is see as corrupt and stagnant class of career politicians then extremes are inevitable.
This. Trump is definitely the modern Jacksonian candidate. Understanding the Jacksonian tradition is key to understanding Trump's popularity.
It's my dream that Trump reshapes the GOP and replace this tired, ineffective "conservatism" with a return to a long lost Jacksonianism.
We've gotten to the point that the average voter wouldn't even understand these references. Hell, the average politician wouldn't understand either--which is why they always tout our military budget as proof that we're strong.
He's a Communist, er I mean "socialist" (what communists who want to distance themselves from camps and pass slaughter call themselves), not a SJW. Frankly, we'd be better off with an unapologetic Communist Party, than a party that stops short at the useful idiot phase. At least Communists are for order and stability once they rule.
Holy fuck, rad as fuck. Thank you for showing me these niggers.
I'm so glad that "old style" news commentary still exists.
Not only are we living through this, we also get to howl with laughter at the Democrats, whose populist movement is eating total shit and who have basically nominated a faceless globalist corporate shill.
We are here now, at the turning of the tides. Right Wing Nationalism has, in one election cycle, broken the corporate yoke. We've done what the liberals have been claiming to want to do for decades.
So in other news Trump is trying to sway many black voters. He's probably the first Republican in forever you're actually seeing trying to do that.
Between his meetings with a group of black ministers, the black ladies at the rally supporting the wall, and now this:
And it's hilarious because all Trump would have to do is bring up how nothing changed for the positive for african americans in the last 8 years and now there is more young children being shot by police. He could try and make it sound like Obama set our nation back 20+ years for african american relations.
This is why there should be 4 political parties in the USA. It makes so much sense.
extreme Rightwing - cruz, rand, w bush, fundementalist christians, abolish IRS, against muslims, anti-lgbt, anti-abortion, deny climate change, almost no taxes, no welfare, jingoism, unions are illegal etc
rightwing - Romney, mccain, agree with scientists, some welfare, low corporate taxes, some free trade, some rights for women, pro establishment, lots of war, work to hurt unions at every chance
leftwing - obamacare, lots wars in the middleeast, some welfare, slightly higher taxes, obama, clintons, 'champagne socialists' overall anti-union
real leftwing - social democracy, sanders, unions are given lots of power, socialized medicine, affordable education, high taxes, limited immigration, jobs not outsourced,
Get your shit together america, two parties can't hold all these ideas
>all of politics can be broken down to sliding scale
Yeah sounds about right.
>How does it feel /pol/ to be living through a schism in American Politics not seen in generations?
It's also one people have wanted for generations.
The Republican party of today is not the same one that existed even decades ago. It's Diet Democrats. So the current GOP appeals to maybe 3% of voters while neglecting the base that begrudgingly votes for them just because they're not the DNC.
Well whoopsie, now a candidate has come who is going to appeal to 47% of the population by default, and will get upwards of 20% of the vote from the other camp just because he has balls and will support the working class. Suddenly both the GOP and DNC have no cards to play other than meme buzzwords, which are wholly ineffective at this particular moment in culture. Mainstream media, Marxist academia, shilling, and Black Lives Matter saw to that.
Trump is appearing during a perfect storm of a left-wing cultural genocide and Republican cuckoldry. He rejects both, and so he's getting both bases.
>But if Trump or Cruz loses the presidency, would their supporters re-evaluate their views on immigration and other issues that would grow the party? If they do that, we can come back together.
Fucking retard. These aren't just some intellectual issues that people are against philosophically. Does he really not even realize what he is doing affects people?
of course the biggest irony is cruz is a sociopath and trump is a manchild, and neither of them will do jack shit for "the working man".
so would you prefer diarrhea, or soupy shit? you choose!
yeah group ideas. then a person will agree with perhaps 75% of a candidate. right now america has candidates that have to have so many different positions they are so far from appealing to anyone. Someone might be against the IRS and hate unions, but think it's retarded to deny climate change and believe in young earth theory. they have nothing to vote for or support. I think amreica actually wnats it that way tho. they don't want the population to really support any politicians
perhaps that is why so few people in america vote?
>trump literally tells republican jews he isn't interested in their money and can't be bought
>boo'd for it.
Lefties still try to meme magic that he's the candidate of the juice.
As a lifelong conservative:
REPUBLICAN PARTY NEEDS TO DIE
Fuck Lindsay Graham, that faggot, and fuck John Mccain, Romney, Dole, and all the other RINOs who have kept the lid on popular white working class sentiment for decades.
Its why they so horribly underestimated Trump. They thought this was just a matter of preferences, like deciding between two movies when you go to the cinema.
They are not affected by this, for them it is a game.
>“The Republican Party has never done anything for the working man like me, even though we’ve voted Republican for years,”
holy shit, i thought this kind of thinking only existed in tumblr-tier cartoons
I am ready,to,be divorced from the Republican establishment. We out number them. The Republican so called establishment will suffer the fate of the Whigs, when the party finally splits.
I have so much rage, bile, and venom toward the Republican establishment that I can barely contain it.
It's a sickness that has fatally infected the GOP. The notion that the American people are no longer fit to police their own peoplehood. Insanity. There are few things more unamerican than this; few things that fly more directly in the face of our history as a people -- forget about a republic, since this sentiment was part of our peoplehood since the colonial days. We have every right to police the boundaries of our own peoplehood, and calibrate and re-calibrate our immigration, naturalization, and assimilation policies how we see fit, according to the concerns and expectations of the time. It's always been this way. It was always, always this way. Until the Democrat coup of 1965. The Republicans that have bought into the left's revisionism of this aspect of American culture are nothing but compromised by the left.
I appreciate your sentiment Trudeau but the number of party platforms isn't the problem, it's the fact that the parties themselves have grown fat and with career politicans that don't answer to the voice of the American PEOPLE they were elected to serve. You could have plenty of parties like Sweden or Britan and still have the shitshow we see now, coalitions of the corrupt political elite forming to blockade real change.
the GOP likes immigration more. it was a rightwing globalize/capitalist/neoliberal logic to have as much immigration and as little borders as possible.
whether it was to outsource labour, or to bring in labourers from outside.
Who do you think hires all the workers and benefits from them? It isn't white working class people. That's why they brought in the asians to make the railroads, the italians to build new york, the mexican to farm and cook and clean
The right made it 'racist' to be against immigration to trick the left into supporting it.
As a Finn I really don't know what the fuck is going on in the US but I have a gut feeling that Dolan Trump winning the elections would not only be good for US, but also for Europe. I'm not sure whether Trump is truly right-wing, but he does have some pretty good ideas that I would honestly would love to see take place here as well.
100% this. They paid lip service to immigration for so long until the last election they decided to drop it entirely. Now they are appalled that some would dare to suggest controlling immigration even though it was their "platform" 4 years ago.
the point is they cannot 'answer to the voice of the American PEOPLE' b/c the people are too diverse for one candidate and the world is too complicated for your political system.
>a left right sliding scale to understand political ideology.
>no libertarians or trump party
>A FUCKING LEAF
Left or right aside, even when we experienced prior immigration waves, the American people still always retained the cultural imperative to turn the faucet handle when they felt overwhelmed, or boxed out by the new arrivals. Hence the string of naturalization laws aimed at curbing immigrant strength in the early 19th century, the outright immigration restrictions beginning with the Chinese Exclusion Act, up through the immigration quotas of the early 20th century, up through the almost complete moratorium on immigration post-ww2, until the coup of 1965.
We've always had agents of immigration-for-cheap-labor in this country. But simultaneously, the people themselves were able to exert their own pressure and collectively grab the handbrake when they felt it was time.
This has been taken from us. We no longer are able to exert control over the scope of our own peoplehood. Until Trump came along.
Cruz is harder on immigration than Trump. Trump wants the illegals to be deported and have them come back legally ("the big beautiful gate"), Cruz wants them to be banned from re-entry.
The saddest part is that 99.9% of the youth in your country don't even have the slightest clue what's happening, probably even 50%+ of the ameritards on /pol/ don't. They're just going around ''HURRDURR TRUMP RAYCISTSS!'' ''YASSSS BABY OLD WHITE GOP BREAKING APART AHAHAH FEEL THE BERN/GO SHILLARY!'', ''MAN WHEN IS THE NEW IPHONE COMING OUT?''
You're lost unless Trump comes into office and fucking turns this shit around
is it one? i thought it was just a gentle water colour, to make sure jimmies stay cool and calm.
i think more than ever now society is a 'juggernaut' like Giddens points out, that is completely out of anyone's control for the most part. Sometimes when a system is implimented at one time, it lives on and continues in unintentional ways in the future
>effeminate underage faggot who unironically uses the term "redpill" thinks he is smarter than everyone else
/pol/ in a nutshell
But that's in part because your average computer science graduate doesn't know how to program worth shit. I've gotten offers from American companies as have many other Finns working in software development, you just don't have the properly educated manpower to fill those jobs.
Being on the right should be a dynamic thing.
The interests of those against the damages of the left shift and become more complicated as time goes on.
We secure ourselves by taking preemptive measures.
Isn't that Rubio's thing? Here's Cruz's policy on H-1B
>Suspend the issuance of all H-1B visas for 180 days to complete a comprehensive investigation and audit of pervasive allegations of abuse of the program: Initiate an immediate 180-day investigation and audit of the H-1B visa program and enact fundamental reforms of this program to ensure that it protects American workers. In recent months, more and more reports have become public of companies replacing American workers with cheaper foreign workers, contrary to the stated intent of the H-1B visa program. This will stop, and the H1-B program will be suspended until we can be certain that the program is no longer being abused.
>Muslims say they want to kill american
>you let them in
>they kill Americans
>trump: maybe we should stop letting them in
>HOLY FUCK WHAT AN IRRATIONAL XENOPHOBE, HE HATES THEM FOR NO LOGICAL REASON
this is pretty simple stuff man
Yes, it's one of O'keefe's later works when she was losing her eyesight.
Sorry for the momentary artfag autism. Carry on.
>"The divide was evident at a recent Greenville, S.C., gathering of bankers and lawyers"
>"bankers and lawyers"
This is true. Most CS degrees (all undergrad programs here are basically the same) the classes on theory are too far removed to programming and the programming classes spend too much time teaching how to learn languages instead of applying theory.
He only adopted that policy after Trump outflanked him on the issue.
Cruz is a snake. His ties to the CFR and architects of the proposed North American Union are enough for me to keep me away from that man.
A North American Union is revolution-worthy stuff. It's insane that so-called "conservatives" are supporting this man.
The few soft-socialist non SJW, Jim Webb types should form a center left party with the RINO cuckservatives, then sanders has his pinko degenerate party and the right has is cleansed of the liar faggot RINOs.
>“But if Trump or Cruz loses the presidency, would their supporters re-evaluate their views on immigration and other issues that would grow the party? If they do that, we can come back together.
>literally saying "agree with what a bunch of rich old assholes want you to do because it makes us money"
The funny part is these politicians think their base will follow them if they leave. They haven't appealed to the Republican base in a long time, the only reason they get elected is because they're riding off the name that used to hold ideas Republican voters wanted.
I thought Cruz's whole thing in the senate was being a renegade who pissed off all the republicans,kinda like Rand? I guess he's not linked to Goldman-Sachs for nothing though so it does seem like there's a loyalty conflict.
what do republican voters really want the most?
I do not understand it. Anything they seem to say they want one of their heroes like Regan or Bush probably did the opposite.
It is one of the political parties on earth that I cannot understand
Cruz is a very shrewd politician, nothing more. He saw the winds of change early on and he acted.
You have to remember about Cruz, he's a life-long government bureaucrat that over the course of his career developed deep ties to the neoconservative establishment. He was a Bush Administration official. Before that he was a Bush presidential campaign lawyer. His wife is a sitting member of the Council on Foreign Relations, the most notorious of the neocon think tanks, where she headed up a group that advocates for a North American Union, a concept that is anathema to American conservatives (and the American unionist left, for that matter, too). She's an executive at Goldman Sachs, part of the Wall Street wing of the political establishment. Cruz used Goldman Sachs money to get elected to the Senate in the first place.
Cruz is a talented politician. He saw his party swinging hard right and he jumped all over it, positioning himself as a champion of those causes, but his history and his connections belie any authenticity.
>I say Trump like because I think he can't convince many Dems to switch.
>I think he can't convince many Dems to switch.
>"Nearly 20 percent of likely Democratic voters say they'd cross sides and vote for Trump"
"the crossover Democrats contend they are '100 percent sure' of switching"
Good. How long did they think pandering to corporations and the most outspoken Christians was going to last. If the establishment gets killed off now, and some key concessions are made to placate the undecided-but-tend-leftist enough to keep them from voting (legalize weed would probably do it), the country might not go full SJW as the boomers keep shrinking.
There will be no split, the current "power brokers" will just see their support wither away. Nobody supports this ridiculous neo-con open borders fantasy, the only support they've got is pragmatists thinking it's the only way to beat the Dems and people who want to use them for their own ends. If you remove the Roves and the Romneys from the party leadership you'll find that nobody will follow those fucks in a party split.
That's because the party has been suberted. Most people do not care about how big the government is or free trade. They want to keep their rights and feel like the government not is well functioning and has intentions for Americans over others so likely less cosmo and more isolationist.
Also no one likes Reagan for his policies. Everyone likes Reagan, even my mom who thinks single payer healthcare is smart, but because he felt like a leader to people.
>>“If Trump or Cruz wins the White House, then my side of the party has to re-evaluate who we are, what we stand for, and I’d be willing to do that,” Mr. Graham said. “But if Trump or Cruz loses the presidency, would their supporters re-evaluate their views on immigration and other issues that would grow the party? If they do that, we can come back together.
Jesus Christ, they really do not understand why people oppose uncontrolled immigration, do they? It has such a massive, almost exclusively negative impact on society that pretty much everything else becomes secondary.
This is not something you just "rethink", even if you offered me something totally unrealistic like a 10% tax cut in exchange I'd still tell you to fuck off.
Webb supporter here. Have actually worked on his campaign a little.
Economically, Webb isn't even a soft socialist. He believes in economic fairness, but this means protecting the economic interests of regular Americans. This means opposing trade deals that will screw people like you and me but he's not out to get corporations like Bernie. Webb's plan has been to actually lower corporate taxes to bring a lot of them back into the US and encourage manufacturing companies to come back to the USA as well. Bernie just wants to tax everyone's shit and Webb knows that is not a smart move.
The only thing that makes Webb a Democrat is that he does not oppose gay marriage and does not think that the mainline GOP cares at all about regular citizens - which we're seeing with the GOP trying to shame their voters into not voting for Trump and to do what their dear leaders want. He's a genuine populist with real plans while Bernie just chants "FREE SHIT" and Trump chants "MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN" (although I'll be voting for Trump if Webb doesn't pick up steam). Webb also realized that the Democrats don't care too much since they're picking Shillary, of all fucking people, and it's an open secret that the DNC has already picked their lady. Bernie is basically running for the VP spot at this point and we all know he's too much of a coward to run independent.
Other than that, Webb's pretty bro-tier.
>only candidate with foreign policy that isn't retarded
>knows that China is the big threat to the USA
>has a spine
>is anti-white privilege
>thinks the Democrats have abandoned white voters
>killed gooks in Vietnam
what more could /pol/ want?
I think Webb should be Donald's VP pick. They may not agree on everything, but it would be a mutually beneficial arrangement. Because, let's face it, Webb is not going to win as an independent. That's dreaming. If Webb was Trump's VP then at least he could exert some manner of influence of Trump's foreign policy.
I'm a former Democrat. That point in time has come and ran away for me. I'm voting for Trump because I can see the toxicity of the new Democratic Party. Frankly I'd rather see a gay (im bisexual myself) turned away because of religion, for example, than people blowing themselves up in the fucking streets and suggesting shit like genital mutilation and utter abuse of all women is equal to not baking a motherfucking cake!
As Trump says, it's insanity... and I'm sane. I know when I'm on the wrong team.
Look up the IGM Chicago polls of leading economists for the free trade and skilled immigration ones. Literally 0% of economists say that these negatively impact American workers.
>negatively impact American workers
>And many of those traditional power brokers, in turn, are deeply uncomfortable and even hostile to Mr. Trump and Mr. Cruz
Subtle positioning by the establishment calling Cruz an outsider when he a full blown insider.
I see through your lies MSM.
CIS is not a legitimate source, and the Bank of England study, if you bothered to read the one they released in December, supports Card's study. You clearly have never taken a macroeconomics course.
Nope, it's all fucking Java tutorials on how to make shitware these days. Know the difference between an interface and an abstract class? Here's your masters! We need more theory, more math, more focus on formal correctness instead of testing, and we need to stop teaching with a language designed to be simple enough for curry niggers to take your jobs. If you call yourself a programmer and can't write a Scheme meta-circular evaluator in C and things equality as complex, you are a fucking liar. CS is not for trade schools.
And also a course on how to use VCS would be nice too.
If you think about it, Trump doesn't have any private donors influencing him.
But wait, he does have one....him! He owns the Trump organization. Don't you think that might be a conflicting interest? I'll bet that his company does abnormally well while he's president
>John Smith and Paul Brown both work for $15/hour
>Hose-A Martinez and Hose-B Garcia are willing to work for $10/hour
>This will not hurt American workers
Kill yourself, kike shill.
Trump shits on the establishment and will probably win, Bernie constantly sucks Hillary's clit and tries to cover up her corruption and will probably lose. There's a huge difference.
Webb is a classic example of a cyclical paradox. Your statement sums it up nicely. People only support things that have a chance of winning, but that's a catch 22 isn't it? You only have a chance of winning if you have supporters, otherwise you're just a loon with some signage and pamphlets that no one reads. How do you get supporters though? People love to bet on a winner, so the best way to get supporters is having a good chance of winning. How do you get a good chance of winning? Why, with supporters of course!
The humor of the issue makes it no less tragic. A shame, since I'd prefer Webb to Clinton and most of the GOP candidates.
You're not wrong. A big part of it is that CS professors and professors in general are so far up their own asses. They're often too lazy to teach well and jump at the chance to simplify the course. If they didn't do that, enrollment would be much lower and they would get less money.
Once you get into intermediate algorithms, they should honestly just have the math department teach instead
DEMOCRATS = pretend to help people steal their money and make them dependent on the government while stealing their rights.
REPUBLICANS = rob the poor to feed the rich while claiming to care and want a better life for all.
Both parties are insance and not a single politician in our nation deserves to lead it. They are all rich bastards looking to manipulate the masses for personal gain. Only a soldier can unite and properly represent America. Only a soldier volunteers his life to protect and defend the constitution and the people of his nation.
Economists think all borders should be eliminated. They worship at the altar of GDP. If they thought exterminating all life on the planet would somehow increase GDP, they'd be all for it. They don't give the slightest shit about American workers, they just want to see GDP bumped up. They're basically single minded sociopaths. GDP is the basic building block of the universe to them and as a consequence, they worship it like it is their God. Try not sounding like such a retarded cock gobbler when you're fondling the balls of your economist heroes. They are the globalist scum ruining everything.
>gathering of bankers and lawyers, reliable Republicans who shared tea and pastries
>been a Paul supporter ever since he announced presidency
>starting to like Trump after hating him ever since he announced he was running.
No. Meme magic must not work. Trump doesn't have the experience of governing a lot of people. He'll never be president.
>they're trying to imply Cruz isn't a neocon astroturf
>when his wife was literally promoted to a high-ranking position at Goldman Sachs when he became an elected, seated senator
>and he "accidentally" failed to report donations to his campaign from Goldman-Sachs
cruz is a rat-faced little canadian fink who is 100% in the pocket of the bankers. implying he can't be bought is fucking hilarious
>tfw it could really happen
>Select all images with trains.
I'm armed and waiting I will be just fine until the rest are ready to admit whats happening. Then I will unleash hell on the enemies hiding like cowards inside my nation.
>against all enemies foreign and domestic
For once, I'd love a Republican to actually uphold their "Job Creation" promise. Just giving people reasonable work is enough, desu. But apparently, "Job Creators don't have to create Jobs." It's ridiculous how little responsibility the party of "responsibility" practices.
The fucked up part is that the Religious Right actually destroyed Christianity in America. When I am in my 40s, America will be as Secular as Europe.
This is the problem with Cruz. Even people who identify with his politics find him offputting. He stands absolutely zero chance at persuading people who aren't even sold on his politics yet. Cruz supporters are God damn deluded if they think he could win a general election. They remind me of Palin supporters who didn't realize how bad she looked to everyone outside their bubble.
Two words: Electoral College
There is no viable way to have more than two parties competing for president, because of the 51%-or-fuck-you rules of how we elect presidents. This reduces the effectiveness of a third party in anything else.
Nice try, dude weed lmao.
He shouldn't be voting for anyone he should be running for office. We need leaders not more businessmen. Businessmen do what is in their nature and that's make themselves money. A soldier will do what is in his nature and that is protect the nation. I don't believe trump will do anything he says except make rich people richer like every politician does. He talks a good game but in the end hes a money grubber like all rich men.
So what's stopping me from writing an article about how the political elites, establishment, and millionaires picked their candidates. Forced them on the public, and they still lost?
Trump and Cruz represent street justice. A taste of their own medicine they've been peddling the public for years.
How's it taste you conservative cucks?
>“If Trump or Cruz wins the White House, then my side of the party has to re-evaluate who we are, what we stand for, and I’d be willing to do that,” Mr. Graham said. “But if Trump or Cruz loses the presidency, would their supporters re-evaluate their views on immigration and other issues that would grow the party? If they do that, we can come back together.
who gives a shit what graham says? He never registered above 1%, and I doubt that 1% came from hispanics.
Fighting the gays was the most pointless thing the conservatives actually did because they fired off all their bullets, hit nothing, and are now all out of ammo when a real threat like SJWs and Muslims is here.
All it did was divide white people more.
This. /pol/ lives in its Naziboo universe where Jews are the only threat. There are several different factions who game the lobbying of the GOP -- Muslims, Jews, corporations, churches etc. -- and Trump is a threat to several of them.
SO continue to be cucked m8 got it lol your logic goes NO WHERE.
NO SOLDIER IS PROTECTING OUR NATION IN A SINLGE WAR WE ARE IN AS WE SPEAK
your point would be more coherent if you said he also should not volunteer for a military fighting other nations wars at the will at those so called corrupt politicians
90% of modern soilders are the equivalent of key word "pussy" mercenaries who happen to be well financed.
No patriotism, no honour. Straw manning them as leaders when only the best are, is the same as straw manning businessmen as intelligent, competent enterprisers.
~a soilder who actually cares
As an infantryman in the us army I can say without pause that in my platoon (28) guys all but 3 are definite trump voters. Of the three, two are apathetic to all politics. And the tried is a super blue pulled nignog. Who thinks trump is le evil rasis
So what exactly did it achieve by calling various white children unnatural or degenerate so their parents would obviously reject conservatism and run off to SJW liberalism?
How did dividing the white voting bloc so that race became a non-issue and sexuality became a massive one help nationalism in any way at all?
Your an idiot and will reap what you sow. This whole process is a sham run by the rich to fool people into thinking they have a choice. The military has done more in their lives than you will in yours but you will see that for yourself in time. Enjoy getting poorer while every politician gets richer.
“I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.” -Woodrow Wilson
It's not though. What will actually change if Trump gets elected?
You'll still have a senate and congress full of shills. Presidents aren't dictators in the US, they're figureheads.
I'm still waiting for /pol/ to actually elucidate on how Trump will tangibly change anything. The money is still all in the same hands now as it will be if and when he becomes President; and thus the media, big business, all of the real levers of power will all still be in the same hands.
/pol/ acting as if Trump will be able to actually do anything tangible is laughable. He's false opposition that is skillfully composed to make the people think "something different is finally here."
Which is the same shit that happens every few years...
Do you honestly believe your life will change at all with Trump... get real. The Germans' lives did change tangibly with Hitler and the Nazis, they were first class citizens in their country, and everyone else was a guest at best.
Trump isn't going to suddenly cater to your "white interests."
I can't believe this fucking delusion is being fostered here. It's insane.
As a soldier I can say flat out neither I nor any of my battles give a fuck like that. Yes we love our country but on that down low type way like flag waving patriotism is for boots and civilians.
Oh look, the Jew York Times using divide and conquer. The sake could be said about the Democrats between Hillary and Bernie, I wonder if they will ever do an article about that though :^)
The fact you faggots BLAMED OBAMA for everything he did like it was his choice the inverse is true for trump m8 don't hide form the narrative you all made now. As lax as Obama made the laws trump can do the same in reverse m8 and no one will be bale to say shit with the precedent Obama has set.
The only delusional one here is you
Deportation is the law
The president can keep muslims out under the law
The president can issue as many executive orders as he likes
If a Republican congress goes against a Republican president then 2018 will see dozens of Republicans primaried out of their seats by nationalists
It is over for the shills, either they get on board the Trump train or they starve
DUDE JUST WAIT FOR HITLER LOL
The thing about Cruz is, overall he is far more right wing which is why I like him. But he's not as electable as trump and he isn't as extreme in any particular issue as trump is in a few of his views.
I would vote for Cruz If trump wasn't involved, but if trump wins that opens the door to the far right, the authoritarian right.
I just might live to finally see American Fascism.
It would change a lot in people's perceptions, think about how much attention a president gets, it's the power to red pill your nation.
The unconstitutional cult of islam wants your country's death, it would be nice if you for once had a president who mobilised the people against them, cut throught the political correctness.
Other countries such as Germany have been cucked to look up to America, when you save yourself, you also save those cucks.
It's pretty funny how the revolution is coming from the right, not the left. The left is such a shitty coalition of minorities, gays, and liberals, they can't agree on anything.
50 years ago, Western civilization was reaching its peak. Now it's in decline.
Zionist Jews are the primary threat because Zionist neocons prevented Buchanan and the paleocons from achieving their goal of removing taco and fried rice from premises back in 1980 to shift demographics back to 1950
We can't go back to 1950 because the Jews adopted a policy of "wars for Israel, Israel for the Jews and America for everyone" in 1980. They must be thrown out.
Trump is seeking the presidency for his personal shallow baby boomer vanity, NOT because he wants to restore European dominance to the western lands.
That is all there is to it. Full stop.
It's worth a try. Give him the chance to red pill your nation, and there will be others after him who will follow his recipe.
It will spell the doom of the current Saudi cock suckers in GOP, but a new GOP will be born from it.
So importing people across the pond to do the same job for exact same or higher salary is cost-cutting? The company I work for has a massive problem in the US end because they can't find the people to do the jobs, which leads them to hire people elsewhere. Obviously there are good programmers in the US, but your average CS graduate simply doesn't receive the skills for the basic entry-level jobs and it has to do with the quality of education.
>The fucked up part is that the Religious Right actually destroyed Christianity in America. When I am in my 40s, America will be as Secular as Europe.
WHY IS EVERYONE ON /pol/ SO FUCKING RETARD
CHRISTIANITY WAS DYING OUT ALREADY BECAUSE IT WAS THE SAME KIND OF APATHETIC BULLSHIT AS IT IS IN EUROPE, THE RELIGIOUS RIGHT SAVED CHRISTIANITY
AND NO, YOU'RE RETARDED. THE RELIGIOUS RIGHT WILL SEXTUPLE THEIR NUMBERS BETWEEN NOW AND 2100 THROUGH BIRTHS ALONE- THAT'S 180 MILLION MOSTLY PROTESTANT NORTHERN EUROPEAN WHITE PEOPLE
Economists are idealists that think open borders would be great for GDP. They ignore that having a country to belong to makes the common man infinitely richer than doubling GDP. They ignore ethnic conflict and strife. They ignore the value of competing countries.
Most importantly, they ignore that open borders primarily benefits the rich. Lower wages lead to lower prices, sure, but almost all the value of lower wages goes to the shareholders (the rich). People who only have their own labor get screwed.
Economists bow to the throne of GDP, with simplistic models that assume all humans are interchangeable cogs.
This is all smoke and mirrors really. In the Republican party, you have a clear establishment- made up of big spenders, more regulations, they are corporatists, and for open borders. They have nearly dominated the party since Reagan left office. The Democrats area different story. You dont hear the term "Democrat establishement often. That's not because there isnt one, its because there arent any real opponents to them. And all Democrats are leftist, so stop splitting hairs. They might talk differently, but in the end they are all statists. You will not find a single Democrat who wants to cut spending, lower regulation, secure borders, and stop amnesty.
It's a start. Actually following laws that already exist, appointing department heads based on their competence rather than political favors, and bringing the country together are the immediate gains. You're also underestimating how many people will back Trump for political gain if he gets a big win.
This is retarded. You just put W bush in the same group as Trump and Cruz. Not even going to get into the rest of that mess you wrote.
And stop trying to differentiate between the far left, left, and Republican establishment. They are all big government and open borders.
The split has been ongoing for eight years, with roots going back far longer than that (BRIGADE!). Nice of the establishment to take notice. It only took a complete revolt for them to do so.
Well, part of it is relative, Reagan was better then most Republicans. As for Bush, he is not really looked up to by conservatives. By their nature, true conservatives should dislike all politicians in general.
>Cuz was paert of Gang of 8 though.
No. He sank the Gang of 8's legislation.
>He wants moe H1Bs to replace american workers in tech and energy.
>He only adopted that policy after Trump outflanked him on the issue.
Trump didn't have those positions at all before the race, has implied very much the opposite even after getting in. Trump is good on immigration only because he conspicuously tried to appropriate Cruz's stances. I don't even mind that; two front runners battling in out as to how common sensical immigration ought be handled by the "new Republican" approach is a good thing. But holding one to account for a minor alteration in his position but not the other for a larger one is majorly disingenuous.
And, really, this guy
>nutty conspiracies regarding Cruz, wants Democrat Webb on the ticket
But at least I'm beginning to understand where all this is coming from.
GOP has become a corrupt, bloated abomination. Alienating its base and always bowing to the left. It was only a matter of time before something like this happened. Change is in the air fellow burgers.
>Implying we're not in a post-constitutional era
He's not. His wife is a high-up in goldman sachs.
>In the Republican party, you have a clear establishment- made up of big spenders, more regulations, they are corporatists, and for open borders. They have nearly dominated the party since Reagan left office
The true tragedy of Reagan's Alzheimer's. He wasn't around to cut people off at the knees if ever they spoke establishment nonsense in his name. And so a generation went by (Buchanan & Perot's candidacy not withstanding) before voters woke up to the fact that the party was wholly taken over by the weaker end of the compromised 1980 ticket.
Comparing Trump to the Buchanan run is a legitimate one- but Trump's definitely got more charisma and a much less tolerant-of-the-status-quo voter base in the Republican party.
I've said before that this year is where the GOP has to either double down on the popular choice or splinter the party in denying the nomination to a non-establishment candidate.
And given that now that Cruz has started hitting Trump, followed by embarrassing shit on Cruz (undisclosed loans for his campaign) leaking out in return...Trump is not only running a populist campaign, he's running a tight one in the traditional sense of the word.
They expected a novelty candidate. What they got with Trump was a shark in a business suit swimming around in the tank, getting blood in the water and triggering a feeding frenzy in the rank and file.
The Republicans pulling the Tea Party in for short-term gains has turned into a potential fragmentation event for the GOP.
It's been decades since there's been a shift in the two-party system, if not over a century really. This would clear some of the stagnation.
Tax breaks that all they've done. They stopped Democrats from taxing white people and redistributing the wealth to minorities. This does not make up for what the Republicans did with mass immigration and free trade.
>let more law breaking illegals in, goy
>it'll increase the republicanparty, goy
>quit being racist, goy
>CIS is not a legitimate source
>Ms. Zeigler earned a B.S. in Applied Mathematics and Criminal Justice from Shippensburg University, and a Master’s in Justice, Law, and Crime Policy from George Mason University
>Dr. Camarota received a master’s degree in political science from the University of Pennsylvania and later earned a doctorate degree from the University of Virginia in public policy analysis.
>Dr. Camarota has testified before Congress more than any other non-government expert on the economic and fiscal impact of immigration. In addition, he was the lead researcher on a contract with the Census Bureau examining the quality of immigrant data in the American Community Survey.
>Dr. Camarota’s research has been featured on the front pages of The New York Times, The Washington Post, and USA Today as well as numerous other media outlets. His academic articles have been published for journals, including the Public Interest and Social Science Quarterly. He has also written general interest pieces for such publications as the Chicago Tribune and National Review. His analysis and commentary are frequently heard on radio and television news programs including CNN, MSNBC, Fox News Channel, NBC Nightly News, and ABC World News Tonight, CBS Evening News, National Public Radio, and NewsHour on PBS.
OK, dude. You're not a moron or fucking kike at all.
I would vote for Jim Webb even if he was running as an independent if I was American. I hope /webb/ threads make a comeback once he's formally announced his run and the general election has started.
That's generally what happens, and why a particular issue is often not studied. Look at Harvard University professor Robert Putnam's "E Pluribus Unum". He sets to study the social impact of diversity and discovers he's the first one to ever actually analyze the issue, then discovers it's a net less for society, that diversity is a liability.
>implying the cucks aren't the morons who just vote against the brown people while the rich white corporate bosses destroy their lives
The brown people imported by rich white/jewish corporate bosses to depress wages, you mean?