We have impeached Presidents in the past. We protest against the government a lot.
It just, never happens. Our government remains inefficient and corrupt.
I'm really hoping that Brazil splits between Northen and Southern brazil for once. They have been trying to pull that off for years, and will attempt again in 2016. Maybe with a smaller government we can put government in check.
Brazil is just too big, with too much poor people for us to deal with govt I guess, unlike USA which gives more power to individual states and Russia which doesn't suffer from having a lot of poor people as we do.
I don't want to be a BR anymore. I want us here at the south to be our own country arleady
>>60037516 With our new president, I think we can lower corruption, we need to stop from Peronists (used to be fascists, now they are extreme left, similar to Chavism) winning the elections. If we are Peronism free for 20 years, we will have a normal country again
>>60037516 USA has more freedom of press, more channels available to the people. That probably helps.
Here in BR all the poor people are stuck watching 4-6 TV channels.
I friend of a friend went to work for the police in a CSI style criminal lab. Few months later, she was seeking therapy because she couldn't deal with the corruption, with the cops telling her to dismiss evidence.
Go against that, and you might get shot. Welcome to BR
>>60037778 yeah, corruption here is off the charts.
BR could easily be a first world country. We raise in tax as much as the USA and Canada do from what I understand. We just don't spend it anywhere but politicians pockets.
The government is so corrupt and stupid in here.. 2 years ago they passed a law/warning to banks, saying they shouldn't accept international credit card purchases in BR (basically a hack to deal with a problem, instead of addressing the problem)
Now, I can't even buy steam games on my credit card because steam charges them in BR currency. I ordered something from another country, it arrived here in 10 days. It will probably stay for 3 to 6 months in customs before I receive it, because of how our law handles imports - they don't want us importing anything, and tax us to the core for it.
>>60037992 What's the general attitude of people in brazil? I feel like everyone t just looking out for themselves with no concern for the larger group. Is patriotism even a thing down there? Seems that people just need to start taking pride in their country and actually working towards making it better rather than thinking about who they can rob today.
>>60036869 >"this was a crisis that was fostered and boosted by irrational behavior of people that are white, blue-eyed, that before the crisis looked like they knew everything about economics," he said. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/money/brazilian-president-lula-de-silva-blames-blue-eyed-white-people-gordon-brown-uncomfortable-article-1.371877
>Be Brazilian leftist dindu >Blame whitey for economic problems
>>60038187 >I feel like everyone t just looking out for themselves with no concern for the larger group.
On the contrary. Strangers in BR are very quickly to bond with each other. We are a lot warmer as people. I have lived for a year in the US, so I can comment on that. This might be why BRs have such a reputation for being loud overseas.
Put a bunch of brs that never met each other on the same room and they'll quickly turn into best friends for the moment, and that's when they start acting like party people all the time and can pass off as being rude and loud on other countries.
>Is patriotism even a thing down there? No. What would people even be proud of? We have no past leaders to look upon, our government is corrupt as fuck, and thank god for that 7-1. We are not even the country of soccer anymore
Yeah, our government leaders that are extreme leftists - and just as corrupt. The biggest corruption scandals we've had happened during the leftist administrations, which started some 10 years ago I think
>>60038584 >No. What would people even be proud of? Patriotism is most important when you run out of things to be proud of. Patriotism and that attitude of unity in one goal helps build countries more than maintain them.
I understand what you're saying about BRs being quick to bond with people (very true. They're also really touchy feely and hug strangers way too much) but why would those people bond with someone in an instant then go to their government job and stab that same person in the back if not self interest?
There isn't a single conservative party here in Brazil and worst of all a Social Democratic one is considered "right-wing", they fake fights between them, there isn't nationalism and the justice is corrupted, cultural marxism reigns over education and media and people don't want to work their asses off for anything, I live in SP and have been to many states from what I can see the only ones that are actually good are from the south (PR,SC,RS) and should seriously separate from the rest of the country.
Don't feel bad. If you have money in BR, as I do, it is paradise. The women are very pretty (and there are lots of german descendants in here, for the stormfaggots), only slav women are more beautiful.
Our laws are more loose. Brazil was the first country to pass a constitution for the internet, while the USA has the nsa spying on everything.
The only thing that bothers me here, is importing things. Always a big issue.
Brazil might not get better because us with money don't need to put our hand in the fire to help ourselves, and the poor people are too uneducated to do anything about it. And the middle class, they are pretty much defending the government that put us into this situation, where they have to pay twice for groceries.
1) Southern BR will grow better, because its tax money won't be spent up north 2) Northen Brazil will have to step it up and help itself, no longer just relying on the south and Sao Paulo. It will either go full Africa, or grow.
Meanwhile, both countries are smaller, which easier to handle governments when it comes to corruption and allocation of resources. Make it happen
>>60037169 >USA has three times more niggers than Brazil.
No we don't. 14% of our population compared to 40%. We have 320 million people while you have 200 million. We have around 32 million nogs, you have 80 million. You actually have double our total amount of niggers.
>rich in natural resources >a young population >amazing demographics >still blows it Socialism, every time.
Brazil ships its iron and other resources to China where factories turn them into products, instead of opening up its economy and having those factories at home, making those products there, employing millions, raising wages and turning the economy into a powerhouse. But no, they must have socialism, because Naomi Klein told them how evil neoliberalism and Pinochet were.
>>60039899 There is a similar system to the USA, yes, although I'm not familiar with the details of either.
Yeah, I really hope we split into our own country to reduce government size. That increases the risk of dangerous, more totalitarian laws to pass however, with less people being able to fight against the government to change them.
I believe in universal laws, and local governments for handling taxes, as minimum to have a decent system.
Universal laws = more pressure from people and discussion to change them Local governments = we can see where the fuckers are spending or not the money ourselves
>>60040381 South America has a really hard time at making inside industries. They all know they should do it, presidents mention it on economic talks and all but it never happens.
Having natural resources is their doom, just like in Africa. Economic agents know they can exploit resources and earn just enough today, which ruins investments for higher, industrial production in the future. That's way too "long term"
>>60041700 China isn't as diverse as you, and china doesnt have so many fucking people speaking so many different languages. The only thing you are missing is some coal factories and smog, you've got the environment down pat
>>60040233 >But that quickly changed, USA has a lot more now The only way this could have happened was if you recently redefined what 'black' is, the black population has been more or less stagnant here.
>>60036869 Like, imagine you're a politician in Brazil. You are offered a huge sum of money for some political favor, enough money to buy you a life your favela-born ass could only dream of.
But, lets imagine for a moment, that inside you there's a shred of human decency and morals that makes you ponder the offer for a second instead of just taking it instantly.
You think to yourself, "I'm going to be selling out my people for my own benefit, do they deserve it?"
And then you look at your people, in all their nigger looking, shit smelling, favela dwelling, baby raping, kill-you-for-fake-plastic-jewelry glory, and I guarantee you the last thing you'll feel is a sense of duty towards them. You weren't born with enough middle fingers for all of them. You'd take that money and sleep like a baby knowing the favela subhumans would go on killing each other and sticking it up their babies' asses regardless of your actions.
>>60037169 > US has 3 times more Africans > Brazil thinking anyone has a worse nigger problem outside of Africa Sorry, but that's a stupendously made up statistic. They're only 12-14% of our population, whereas they're closing in on 50% of yours, not counting the mullatoes, etc. You suckers simply bought too many slaves during the slave trade; we only got maybe 5%, you took 95%. Morons.
>>60036869 Because 80% of the Brazilian population is functionally illiterate.
>Afraid of losing the investment made by UNESCO, Fernando Henrique Cardoso, the Brazilian president back then, developed a plan named Continued Progression. Such plan included several initiatives that would prevent the student from failing. It does not mean that students would have learned and for this reason, would be approved; yet, it meant that students would be approved, even if they had not learned anything at all.
>The immediate result was positive, at least to UNESCO’s eyes, as Brazil was presenting positive numbers regarding its educational system and for this reason, continued to receive the financial aid. However, the direct consequence of such initiative was that students were graduating from high school and were unable to write properly. They can identify what the combination of letters represent and therefore read a sentence, but without making any meaning out of it.
>Aware of the situation, both students and teachers got demotivated and their attempts to effectively improve education turned into indifference and disrespect: those who were good students would no longer work hard if they were to receive the same mark the bad students would receive; teachers would no longer be worried about effectively teaching if the evaluation methods were fake and their attributions as educators were diminished.
>What higher education has been doing is to try to cover-up a problem that is structural: 38% of their students can’t read or write properly and this is not a problem that should be solved by the university, but a problem that should have been treated when the student was still in the early stages of learning. http://thebrazilbusiness.com/article/functional-illiteracy-a-problem-for-brazilian-businesses
I feel terrible for Southern Brazilians being associated with that shithole. You're all still a little bit swarthy so don't get too cocky about your whiteness, but you still don't deserve the rest of the country.
>However, as Andrea Novais notes in a scathing report in The Brazil Business, the problem is primarily cultural: “almost 10% of the Brazilian population is completely illiterate … and 68% of the population is functionally illiterate. If we add these percentages, we will get to [a] stunning 78%, which corresponds to 150,053,666 Brazilians who are unable of [sic] reading a text like this one (in Portuguese, of course) and making any meaning out of it. http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmarshallcrotty/2014/07/12/in-world-cup-of-education-brazil-is-bad-but-argentina-is-worse/
In defense of Brazil, the nice rich European areas are beautiful and awesome
Leblon in Rio. Florinapolis. Beautiful nature shit too. Have money and Brazil is great. The constant need to avoid crime ridden areas sucks though. But the people are incredibly nice, even if they are always late for everything
Also the main highway in Sao Paulo runs along a giant river of sewage and it's a constant traffic jam where you sit in your car for two hours inhaling favela poop particles
>>60046356 >the problem is primarily cultural: >almost 10% of the Brazilian population is completely illiterate … and 68% of the population is functionally illiterate. Funny how this "cultural problem" seems only to affect melanin-enriched individuals.
>>60047260 Question, is there a lot of government restrictions as to doing these things yourself? Not all alone, with family members and what have you, but it seems like that would be a really good opportunity to try and make partnerships with certain companies to get these things done. Are there government restrictions preventing communities from building for themselves?
>>60048155 she's just tanned a lot, common down here.
Lots of sun. If you want to judge how white people are, pay attention to the bikini straps to see the real color of people. Lots of beaches around here too, the prettiest/richest people live in the coast
>>60048674 >What about coming back to europe asap? Europe does not want us back mate, they place every possible restriction to prevent us from returning.
I am 100% portuguese descendant and have living relatives in Portugal, therefore I could easily get double citizenship there and return, but I would still be discriminated against by the portuguese people. Besides, their economy is just as fucked as ours it seems.
"The justice system, in its egalitarian majesty, forbids rich and poor alike from begging, sleeping under bridges, and stealing bread."
That's blind justice, laws being enforced without concern for the class, race, or gender of the person that broke the law.
When people start demanding special preference in the eyes of the law, they're demanding it be corrupted in their favor. And once corrupted in their favor, any clever enough fraud that manages to worm their way into the good graces of the favored gets the same benefits.
Eventually there might as well be no laws at all. That's when the law of the jungle, aka "might makes right," takes over.
>>60049007 >cant handle the banter huh It is not a matter of not being able to handle it mate. I dont want fucking skinheads beating me to death just because I came from Brazil.
Again, their economy is just as fucked as ours, and for all we know it will get worse over time due to the refugee crisis in europe.
>>60049305 >so you had a chance to live in a white country and refused I still have that chance you double nigger, but I would have to abandon my family that refuses to leave with me to europe. Also I believe we should try and fix this shithole rather than abandoning the ship like fucking rats.
>>60049313 to be fair majority of brazil haters are americans and they're retarded
so dont feel too bad, even though your country is actually in the shitter - it's a global trend
>>60049480 >skinheads beating me to death just because I came from Brazil. Don't think that would happen m8. Like unless you live in sketch areas I suppose. I've lived in both mainland and azores and did just fine even though I'm ~officially~ Canadian. I didn't get any more than "lel check out this weird speaking faggot".
>economy Yeah, but pretty much the situation everywhere without strict rulers at this present moment. Not saying you should move back, but I don't think the problems are as bad as you may think. I mean, the economy is for sure, but the whole regional situation really isn't. However, due to a bad economy, that regional situation can get much worse really fast and may end up as you describe.
>>60047783 You don't have to show me what a southern Brazilian girl looks like; my brother married one and I saw a ton of them at the wedding. But they didn't look so dark because it was mostly students who were in the USA, but the ones who flew up from Brazil for the wedding were really swarthy, even though they said they were Italians.
>>60048005 that's not true in America as far as native americans go. the government hands out money for college is you're part native so they need to have some sort of proof that you are indeed a bloodline of native. i know because I tried
>>60049733 The other problem is that my mother outright refuses to leave, my father and brother are willing to move back but my mom is resisting, she claims she loves this country and would never leave it. I just cant abandon her in this nigger infested shithole.
>>60050095 The problem with women is they are largely short sighted and visual creatures. If you want to get her to change her mind (granted you have also made up yours!), take her on trips there. Get her acquainted with living there. Women need to really grasp where they're moving before they can actually move there willingly. Same applies even if they're moving to another house in the same city. They need to see what it's like before wanting to.
She might still not want to move in the end, but at least you gave it a shot - again that's if the rest of your family has made up their mind (and Portugal hasn't fallen too hard financially).
>>60050297 >again that's if the rest of your family has made up their mind My brother is looking into the documents we need to request double citizenship and we already have the money needed to request it, we are getting the double citizenship regardless of actually moving there or not, just in case this country turns into south africa.
If shit hits the fan and this country gets even worse I will be able to leave, but im not leaving withount my mom, I just would not be an upstanding christian if I abandoned my mother in this shithole to get raped and murdered by fucking nigger shitskins!
>>60050799 >How do you get dual citizenship? Same way you americans could get dual citizenship on the UK if you are 100% english descendant, you just need to be able to prove it by providing the passport and other documents of your ancestors that were english citizens.
Same goes for any full descendant of any country I believe.
>>60038584 >On the contrary. Strangers in BR are very quickly to bond with each other. We are a lot warmer as people. you think that is a good thing? People are not equal, and your brain pretty much levels out to your 4 closest friends. That just shows you dumb yourselves down to the lowest common demonotr, don't form lasting bonds (why are you not out with friends?). Have no one with higher interests, like serious reading. You don't get things done by bonding with anyone that happens to be in the same place as you
>>60051400 >have a helicopter Not as a rule. Do you have any idea on how much it costs to sustain a private heli? As for the rest, yes. >>60051330 Most middle class households have a much bigger income than this here in Rio. Take my family for example, father's federal police officer, mother's physician, together they earn about 30-35k/month (no less than 400k/year because of the 13th salary) , not to mention my meagre salary of 3k.
>>60051330 You're from Porto Alegre ? stay safe out there bro. Also, please don't throw stones at the funkeiros on bycicle or else their brothers might come to avenge him by exploding your head with a 5,56mm.
>>60051653 >A house in 5 years? What the fuck? What do you mean by a house?
Our government even made a program where poor people can buy one of these apartments in pic related in 120 monthly payments. And you can increase the payments by paying like 5 dollars a month. So you pay this thing for the rest of your life.
Most stuff here is bought on credit. Electronics in 12 monthly payments, car in 60 monthly payments etc.
>>60051852 >Most middle class households have a much bigger income than this here in Rio. Take my family for example, father's federal police officer, mother's physician, together they earn about 30-35k/month (no less than 400k/year because of the 13th salary) , not to mention my meagre salary of 3k.
>>60051852 Ok I'm not sure how much a helicopter costs. Maybe they share it or rent it. How much does your dad make as a federal police officer in Brazil, not including your mom's salary.
>>60052222 Nice quads. But wait, how does a mortgage work there? In America a nice house for a young couple both with a bachelor's degree-level job will be around $250,000. They'll probably take out a 20 yr or 25 yr mortgage. At the extreme ends people can take out 15 or 30 years. I've just never heard of someone paying off a house in 5 years.
>>60052410 libs love it so much they sometimes end up taking one home (or in europes case, end up inviting a bunch into their home as the adopted). It's a fetish at this point.
>>60052461 > In America a nice house for a young couple both with a bachelor's degree-level job will be around $250,000. That HEAVILY depends where they're located. $250k earns you a brick on the ground in jew york. I'd probably say the average is still nationwide probably ~180k.
>The very notion of middle class in Brazil is quite different from the standards of North America and Western Europe. >Instead, the term is used broadly to include almost anyone able to pay rent, put food on the table and perhaps pay a monthly installment on the refrigerator, microwave or television that Brazil's government often touts as a sign of their emergence. The so-called "Classe C," the bottom rung of Brazil's middle class, earns as little as 1730 reais a month, about $790, and, unlike the much-smaller upper middle class, relies largely on public transportation, health services and schools. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-brazil-middle-specialreport-idUSBRE9620DT20130703
>The document, produced by the Presidential Office of Strategic Affairs, sets a per capita monthly income of 291 reais ($72 dollars) as the threshold for middle class status. http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/lifestyle/2012/09/20/brazil-middle-class-swells-as-35-mn-climb-out-poverty/
Your "sul" is shit, nobody cares about Paraná, Santa Catarina is the only thing worth a damn down there, and Rio Grande do Sul is a lefty shithole that somehow manages to be the only fucking state in south/southeast to always elect PT.
Gaúchos are disgusting, you should just leave Brazil already. Go eat your churrasco and suck Guevara's cock somewhere else, commie cunts.
>>60052636 Yeah true. I live in a midwest/southern city with a lower cost of living and my friend just purchased a 3500 square foot foreclosure last year in a nice neighborhood for $230,500. Unfinished basement so I think they must be counting that regardless because it's not that big. He's an electrical engineer and his wife's a nurse, nothing outlandish.
>>60052246 Your point was that the 1% of Brazil makes 200k BRLs/year. Which isn't true, specially when we think of household income. The cost of living in Rio doesn't matter in this discussion. >>60052461 Leasing a helicopter with other people is as shit as doing the same with an yatch. The saved money doesn't pay for the headaches. >How much does your dad make as a federal police officer in Brazil About 20k BRLs between salary and bonus, sometimes more. > I've just never heard of someone paying off a house in 5 years. If you can afford bigger installments. It's better to get rid off the debt sooner.
>>60053007 >3500 square foot foreclosure last year in a nice neighborhood for $230,500. Unfinished basement Nice. Unfinished basements are great, they're really fun projects that when finished easily boost the home value by a SUBSTANTIAL amount.
>>60052461 >Nice quads. But wait, how does a mortgage work there? In America a nice house for a young couple both with a bachelor's degree-level job will be around $250,000. They'll probably take out a 20 yr or 25 yr mortgage. At the extreme ends people can take out 15 or 30 years. I've just never heard of someone paying off a house in 5 years.
It is possible to pay it in 35 years. But not for everyone. Not to mention the taxing will be so high that you will end up paying the equivalent of three houses.
Also our houses are much smaller and basic. We have a huge inequality here, so it's cheap house for poor and middle class. Mansion(similar to American house) for the wealthy. Paying it in 5 years is not hard when you're buying a small shack.
>>60036869 >Why can't the monkeys do it Because they didn't let the World Bank fuck them in the ass. They're still getting fucked in the ass just more slowly, and now the bankers are pissed off at them because they played hard to get.
So how can Brazil get rich? Start showing up for things on fucking time? Frankly I don't see Brazil ever being an economic powerhouse like the US, UK, Germany, or China because the people there don't have the same work ethic. The ones who do want to work long, hard hours move to other countries.
>>60054027 >The ones who do want to work long, hard hours move to other countries. Could have been said about China tbqh.
>Frankly I don't see Brazil ever being an economic powerhouse like the US, UK, Germany, or China It was already on the way to being so (hence BRICS) but huge foundational problems (illiteracy, communist rhetoric, etc) need to be changed before any of that can really happen.
>>60053583 >They should pay them more Meh, you are saying this because the currency rate is shit nowadays. When it used to be 2x1, I doubt you would say 130k dollars/year isn't good enough to curb And money is not an excuse for corruption anyway. >>60053704 We have a very different conception of what is middle class friendo.
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