Women are simple creatures, they are incapable of caring for child's life until their brain chemistry changes some weeks/months into pregnancy, it's only a matter of personal inconvenience until that. Like, oh my god, pushing a baby out of my lady parts, ewwwww.
>>60033618 Really? I did not know that. Probably something to do with the parents consent in the matter. Not liberal also. >>60033595 >memes >>60033528 But it isn't a baby yet, it's a fetus. Regardless of what it will be in the future, it isn't at that time. >>60033674 Not liberal
I don't think your rhetorical question is quite accurate, OP. I think that large numbers of people (pregnant women, male and female abortionists, and the men and women who financially and politically enable the former) do in fact feel some measure of shame and regret following a completed abortion... but not enough to actually have caused them not to go through with it. It's not so much that they have ZERO shame, but rather, "they can live with themselves" afterwards, which is about as disturbing as the intimation in your OP.
There are two things going on. One is a (western) woman's imperative not merely to be partly, but also to be wholly free of any social sanction against her actions, which is largely a reality at present. The basic task having since been completed, she is now picking over the scorched earth in search of any other details to complain about (air conditioning, manspreading), in a misbegotten effort to somehow optimize her position. The abortion option is part of a suite of options that it's better to have than not.
On the other hand, there is a more practical consideration that expecting parents, even religious ones, are just plain not as attached to a fetus as to a live birth. Oh, it may be kicking, and there may be ultrasound photos. The parents may know intellectually that the fetus is a reality, and a living child and theirs (presumably also really his for discussion). But as long as you're not /looking/ at it, at its face, in person, it is still an abstraction. And that is what makes it easier for women and abortionists to kill-because it "is" an abstraction that is an impediment to her freedom, rather than the human being that it actually is.
The other thing that OP hasn't mentioned is that abortion is a black thing, and blacks are more savage. Witness Kermit Gosnell. Depending on one's inclination, one could count it good that (American) blacks self-select out in this way, but it's a drop in the bucket, relative to Africa.
>>60032967 I'm going to share a story I shared the last time just to show you how retarded these "people" are
>Man kills pregnant woman (he doesn't know she's pregnant when he kills her >She was roughly 3 months pregnant >Still completely legal to get an abortion at that stage >Man gets charged with double murder because he killed the woman and the fetus >The woman herself could have killed the exact same fetus on the same day and it would have been completely legal
Unless it's for a good reason (rape baby, severely handicapped/genetic mutation or whatever) there's no other reason to get an abortion. People need to understand that actions have consequences, if you know what's going to happen and do it anyway but aren't prepared to deal with what it entails get sterilized. If you change your mind in the future it's tough shit.
It's a parasite. One that conveniently looks like you and is weak as to provoke empathy. Take your feelings and shove them up your ass because no matter how pissy you get nothing will change that. Up to a certain point they are worthless and nothing of importance will be lost. It is how it is.
>>60035557 >I could recite a list of the differences between a 10 year old and a 20 year old. What's your point? That I can provide reasons for my opinions instead of deflecting? >Is your argument "fetuses aren't infants yet, therefore we can kill them"? Seriously? Yes, seriously. They're not considered technically alive, it's closer to an embryo than a baby at that point. >You're not a geriatric yet. That is not a justification in killing you. Could you stop that, you're literally just deflecting >You don't have to have opinions, you know? If you literally have no argument, you really shouldn't have an opinion. My argument is that an abortion is not the same as killing a baby, and being insulting isn't going to change that.
>>60035684 All countries should practice isolationism and improve their ability to be self-sufficient. Diversity is inherently flawed because it adds more conflicting opinions than it gets rid of. Either kill everyone that is one way or breed them out. The one of the two that should be done is the one that loses the least in the end. Also, until one gender inevitably removes the need for the other that's just one more thing people have to put up with as well.
>>60035064 Thats not what I meant and you know it. I want the reason people are again abortion of people they dont care about, to force someone to carry a baby they dont want and will not care to raise well is bad for both the baby and parents.
>>60036848 There's a reason I said technically anon, I said "alive" to be briefer. I'm basing it more on chance of survival if it were not connected to the mother more than whether it's actually "alive".
Then you're technically wrong. Your arguments: "they aren't alive so it's okay to kill them" & "they require care from their mother so it's okay to kill them." Maybe you can see why this isn't convincing.
>>60037869 I would agree that isn't very convincing. However, when not straw manned as you just did they are "they are not technically alive, so it's fine to abort them" and "when no longer in utero they are unable to survive". When stated that way, they're compelling reasons when added to others in favor of abortion. On a side note, stop trying to put words in my mouth, it's quite embarrassing for me to point it out.
>they are not technically alive, so it's fine to abort them
They are technically alive. Denying that is conceding that terminating human life is wrong, right?
>when no longer in utero they are unable to survive
When no longer in your space ship, you will not survive. Therefore, it's okay to kill you. When no longer above water, you will die. Therefore it's okay to kill you. When you die, you will die, therefore it's okay to be murdered. Jesus christ your argument lmao.
I honestly used to be fairly against abortion, unless it was in a situation where the mother's life was at risk. Not even a Christfag or anything, I just felt like whores should be forced to take responsibility for their actions, and not given the easy way out and then be celebrated as a "strong and independent womyn" because of it.
However, as I've gotten older, reflected a bit, and read the statistics on who is actually getting abortions, my opinion has changed. I've realized that nigger women are slaughtering their nigger fetuses in record numbers, and have been for decades, thus helping to curb their own population of would-be niggers, rapists, and murderers. It's basically a holocaust they are more than happy to bring upon themselves. So that's a win in my book. Plus, 90% of the women (white or otherwise) that get abortions would be shit-tier mothers anyway, whether due to being white trash or disgusting liberal degenerates. So abortion is actually kind of a blessing.
They don't believe in God our King. They believe in moral relativism and that everything is okay if they can rationalize it with their wicked hearts. They'll play with words until it becomes impossible to unravel what they said. Which is effectively them building up a tall wall to hide their dark souls. Shine the light of God on them and they will react like scared animals frantically trying to rebuild the wall that just crumbled before their eyes.
This is why they fight against God so hard because God reveals all truth.
Isaiah 5:20 >20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
Don't give up hope /pol. God has already won and already predicted people would do this and that it would get worse before he came back.
>>60038867 alive in the sense that they are able to function outside of the womb unaided to childhood, as in, if you perform an emergency c-section they will not survive. also, comparing aborting a fetus to being put into vacuum or drowned is not a particularly bright comparison on your part, let alone >When you die, you will die, therefore it's okay to be murdered >>60039260 because of it's developmental stage >>60039159 Doesn't that pretty much boil down to, we cannot convince them that we're right, so we'll be condescending to them because we believe that we're right?
So if /pol/ had a daughter and she ended up getting raped and pregnant by a nigger you wouldn't consider abortion knowing that you have to support and care for a child that doesn't have a father and a single mother sacrificing her life to take care of it?
A white liberal's child is going to grow up with the same retarded liberal ideologies as their parents. Literally every liberal I've ever known has had at least one hardcore liberal parent involved in their lives.
Liberalism is like a black hole. The light cannot escape it.
>>60039738 Rationalization. That kind of rationalization can be used just the same to say its okay to kill a child because he isn't a fully grown adult yet.
That rationalization forgets what potential means. Every person in a womb has the potential to become an adult. Abortion kills the potential that could of been. It is the same as killing a child, or even a young adult in college because he wasn't fully mature mentally or physically yet for your strict requirements of makes a human before a human is even made in the miracle of the womb.
>>60039627 What makes you think it's not a baby yet? You know, babies are also in the developmental stage. When do you think it becomes a person? It's always a person. It has a soul. If someone was unconscious and in a coma, would it be no problem to pull the plug on them? I've seen footage of an abortion with a camera inside the womb, it does react, it's like you're stabbing a real baby's guts out and pulling out its insides.
>>60039627 >alive in the sense that they are able to function outside of the womb unaided to childhood A newborn baby will die in approximately 3 days if left completely unaided after it fails to procure any water for itself.
>>60034002 No, it's not true. I'm 100% pro-life but I'm tired of hearing the "killing a pregnant woman counts as double homicide!" myth.
There have only been a handful of cases where this has been true, and it has always been when the child was literally like 1 week away from delivery and it was expected that it would have been capable of surviving outside the womb.
>>60039627 Not him, but: 1. You created that rule of "if it's not able to survive on your own, it's not alive" 2. Many people are only alive today because of machines 3. If you leave a baby or a child alone, it will also die.
This. I'm kind of playing the Devil's advocate here, but you're actually right. Who knows who has been aborted? The greatest President the United States has even known? The inventor of the time machine, or a doctor that finds a way to cheat death. But potential is a two-sided coin. Think of how many murderers, rapists, childfuckers, gangbangers, ruthless dictators, etc. that have been prevented from existing as well.
Having said that, I agree with what you're saying. But the random and unknown loss of potential is a price most are willing to pay. Liberals and feminists because "muh body" and conservatives because "well, they sure do kill a lot of niggers".
I'm pro-life but honestly the GOP should strategically just give this one up. The best thing to happen to Conservative politics in 2015 was the Gay Marriage ruling. These issues honestly are immaterial and are a tremendous waste of time and resources.
Because in this very limited circumstance where it's inconvenient to not murder something, we have a strained justification for murder that people have decided is acceptable.
Because the state cannot say a mother has an obligation to not kill a child in her womb. Compared of course with the fact that men are legally obligated to pay child support for their biological offspring. Because, you know, it's their kid! People have obligations towards their children, right?
Me and the ex had an abortion. Didn't regret it then, don't regret it now. We could not have supported a baby. I don't give a fuck about political/religious views etc... I just didn't want to bring another life into the world that would be a drain on society as a whole.
>"my body" Why do they keep saying this? A baby's body is not your body you dumb cunt. Not your body, not your life, not your choice. What IS part of your body is your vagina, and it is your choice what you do and do not allow inside of it. If you don't want to have a baby, don't go around fucking guys like a disgusting whore. The second you are pregnant it is no longer your choice.
I agree about gay marriage helping the GOP, but you're wrong about abortion. It's a pretty split thing, and only 29% of Americans think abortion should be legal in all circumstances. Also, pro-lifers see abortion as murder. Why would you expect them to drop an issue as big as that?
>>60040611 I don't expect them to drop the issue. They still haven't dropped Gay Marriage. The Death Penalty is considered murder as well, but these issues are just a waste. The GOP should position themselves to gain something substantial by relinquishing the abortion debate, and then move on.
>>60040002 >What makes you think it's not a baby yet? The definition of the word fetus >You know, babies are also in the developmental stage. When do you think it becomes a person? I meant the prenatal development >It's always a person. It has a soul. Not touching that with a ten foot pole If someone was unconscious and in a coma, would it be no problem to pull the plug on them? Depends on the chance of them waking up. > I've seen footage of an abortion with a camera inside the womb, it does react, it's like you're stabbing a real baby's guts out and pulling out its insides. Which one? >>60040027 I don't consider fetuses in the first or early second trimester to be developed enough to be considered human, it's more a glorified collection of cells that a human being. In short, it's not ending a human life. >>60040068 Well, thank you for being understanding. >>60040166 I mean they won't be able to survive despite the machines, even if they'd be perfectly healthy despite it.
>>60041057 >Well, thank you for being understanding. I'm not being understanding, I'm trying to point out your shitty metric. Children can't survive "unaided" for years after they're born, it's just a matter of the degree of aid.
>trying to apeal to /pol/ with "your murdering muh white babies, its white genocide!!!" >trying to use that when blacks abort their kin 5 times more than whites Pro life shills, GET THE FUCK OUT. If a parent even considers abortion they are weak willed and shouldn't be raising anyone.
>>60040287 They're willing to pay that price because they believe they're good and the evil they destroy would triumph over the good that was born.
Its convoluted but it is how they think. Reality shows that some of the best people in the world came from tough backgrounds and we tend to forget that.
Of course for me. While I understand their way of thinking, I have a different way of thinking I adhere to because I love God. Those souls deserve a chance at life and it isn't our right to decide how that life should be.
>>60041299 Oh. Then I'd point out I never said years, and that's the point I was trying to get across poorly. and now we're back to >But that's not really what you meant, is it? >>60041458 Alright, I believe that, in accordance with the definition of the word fetus and the laws in place regarding abortions, as in before the third trimester, that killing a newborn is fundamentally different than to aborting a fetus.
>>60041982 >I believe that killing a newborn is fundamentally different than to aborting a fetus.
No shit. We gathered that. The next thing you do is have a supporting argument. The person you responded to asked a question. You didn't answer it, but you're pretending you did. Are you literally retarded, or is this just Aussie shitposting?
>>60042152 >Are you literally retarded, or is this just Aussie shitposting? Neither, it's 5am here >Why is a baby different from a fetus? And I keep saying the literal, and not figuratively, I mean literally the definition of the word fetus is offspring, after about 8 weeks, that hasn't been born. There's a bunch of developmental stages within that definition, but I'm assuming that no one cares about them, considering most pro-lifers consider an embryo at 1 week to be human. >>60042427 Childhood starts at birth I mean it literally does
>>60032967 Most people who get abortions do so for practical reasons and feel bad about it later, especially when they have children. It is only youths who have been brain washed by liberal media who pretend not to care about abortion at all.
abortion is the only issue where i'd understand and accept people siding with their feelings/emotions/sentiments over pragmatism, yet this is the one issue where the left decides to go with the latter.
to them, the ability to fuck without having to take responsibility trumps the lives of the unborn. insanity.
>>60032967 >it's muh body fuck i hate this Im pro choice because I support Eugenics, but Liberals are fucking solipsist sociopaths when it comes to abortion. They cannot fathom the other side's view, so they act like absolute cunts.
I know 4 girls that have had abortions. All 4 are conservative republicans. I know 6 girls that can't stop making welfare babies, all 6 are liberal democrats. democrat girls see a baby as income they get paid for every baby they have
republican girls see a baby as ooops not til i finish college, and have a career. 3 or 4 abortions before she finishes college, but don't tell daddy
>>60032967 Children at this point are just more taxes.
Tell me OP, which one is better being born in a poor ghetto family, living a shitty life all the way through, working at a supermarket your whole live, or just being an orphan making it 100 times worse
OR not being born
>"le fighting chance :^)" No such thing exists. If you're anti-Bernie, then you should be pro abortions, since it's literally the same thing. People just stealing money.
>>60045368 Why not just kill yourself if you're poor? It's the same thing. In fact, it's worse. You're murdering a White person for being poor. You know, being poor doesn't mean you should kill yourself.
>>60033371 >it's just cells >it's just a zygote >it's just a fetus >it's just in the first trimester >it hasn't came out yet >oh come on, post birth abortions are fine she couldn't find a willing doctor! >it's just a todler >it's just a child >it's just a adolescent >it's just an elderly person
>>60045532 >You know, being poor doesn't mean you should kill yourself. Why when /pol/ and everyone else automatically rejcts any sort of goverment funded program. Plus things aren't getting easier since job market is overs saturated.
>>60042031 >believing babies are on the same level of sentience as a grown ""human""
>>60041740 >murdering White children is okay to kill 5 niggers
>>60041057 >definition It's a baby, same way. It's no different even if it's a different word. >depends on the chance of waking them up Australia confirmed for sleep killer >not touching that with a ten foot pole ???
>depends on the chance of waking them up They are going to wake up eventually.
>>60046155 People don't actually have trouble with it. They just convince themselves it's okay in order to soothe their conscience, because what they're actually advocating (literal babykilling) is unspeakably horrible. It's just classic cognitive dissonance at work.
The thing is the people on both sides have different views on "life" and "personhood" so nothing really get resolved as each side is viewed as unreasonable based on the others definitions. The arguments on each side are often inconsistent.
>>60046155 >a living human = a living human >That acorn is not a tree, because it's a fucking seed.
trees are fertilized before the seeds are produced. therefor you logic is flawed. that seed is equal to a fertilized egg or a fetus. it doesn't become a tree, a tree grows from it, when it receives the holy spirit. a baby receives the holy spirit when it takes it's first breath.
>>60046485 >why is it okay to rob someone of their only shot at life? you don't believe in an afterlife? where one day jesus will come and pull people from their graves and take them to be with his father? life is nothing compared to eternity. all fetuses go to heaven.
>>60032967 Some of them are genuinely amoral whores who know they're killing their babies and don't care. Others know they're killing their babies but are seriously brainwashed and peer pressured into doing it anyway by the amoral whores ("You felt conflicted about doing it, so that makes your choice valid." Even though they themselves feel no moral conflict about it). Others are genuinely misinformed and actually believe the anti-science "clump of cells" nonsense.
>>60047859 They didn't. Genesis says God made Adam in his image. >>60047376 No. I don't think the bible actually says that, that's some made up judeo-christian dogma. >>60048040 When and where was this? This is made up, I'm pretty sure.
>>60047465 >elongated stem, or trunk, supporting branches and leaves in most species.
a spine and arms branch within humans as well humans ad trees share 90% identical DNA humans even metabolize nutrients in sunlight and just like trees, humans will grow roots if planted.
the plank in my eye, prevents me from seeing specks in the eyes of others, nor do i judge them for what they do. I weep not for a fetus, my focus is on the billions of unwanted children in the world, who are living
>>60048728 /pol/ is bunch of undesirable virgin losers who'll never have to worry about children because no woman will ever want to have any with them, so they feel entitled to bitch about other people's lives on shit that makes others' lives hell but doesn't touch theirs entirely.
If my husband doesn't want me to have abortions, even in case I might need one because I can only raise maximum 2 children in this world and even that is a lot of work, then he can only have sex ith me those two times in his life we are going to have children.
For the rest, he is not to touch me because I don't want to get pregnant. Simple as that.
>>60047625 ashes to ashes, dust to dust. the body returns to mother earth, the spirit returns to the spirit (exhaled with your final breath) and the soul returns to the father. in all historical writings throughout time, it is undisputed that death is to stop breathing. why is it so difficult to accept that life is to start breathing.
Just let them do it. It's their own offspring for godsake, if they are really willing to do that just because they are "not ready for it" then they shouldn't pass on their genetics anyway. In america abortion is the top voting issue for females so if the alt right became pro abortion esspecially in "inner cities" we can sway some more females our way and away from leftist scum
>>60048338 >Genesis says God made Adam in his image. No it most certainly does not. God made the angels, and was angry when the angels made adam. you should go read genesis yourself, rather than listening to some preacher that needs money for a new mercedes.
>>60032967 I used to be pro abbortion untill I realised that all it does is yet take away further responsibility of citizens. The decay of the western nations is all because we got too decadent and many people lack core principles like taking personal responsibility and a bit of discipline.
I'm only pro abbortion if a woman got raped and thus became pregnant, but sadly these days women just love to file fake rape complaints, so this exception rule would just not work
>>60049802 Huh? I've never listened to a preacher in my life.
"And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." Genesis 2:7 "Yahweh formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." Well?
>>60032967 I agree that women should feel bad about having to resort to that as there are so any effective forms of birth control available to those with two brain cells to rub together (of course some women are raped and don't want to be saddled with a negro rapists kid for the rest of their life).
But the bottom line is that based on what we've done so far humans are clearly scum and the earth is over populated. So killing babies before birth is the most humane way to dispose of people. They have less capacity to suffer than most other stages of life seeing as how they have less developed nervous systems, do not have any reference point for suffering vs. Not, and are not yet sentient and do not feel existential dread. So fuck humans, the only way to fix our problems is to have less of them, especially those raised by people who want to abort them in the first place.
>>60049249 >For the rest, he is not to touch me because I don't want to get pregnant. that's just plain ignorance there. 20 days out of 30 you can have sex without getting pregnant. the bad news is that you can get pregnant at the time when women want to have sex the most. when she's "in the mood" she's ovulating but that's what butts are for. you can still do it when you're ovulating, and not get pregnant but doing it in the butt. did you know that your butt is 40 times more sensitive than your vagina? go ahead, stick a finger in each hole and confirm it for yourself, it's true. buttsex is way better than vagina. just start out slowly, and relax first
>>60049924 If an intruder was forced or made to enter through deceiving into my body it's my right to expel it asap.
>>60050068 I'm a woman and I don't want more than 2 children and only when I feel ready and secure enough to have them. Which means either my husband shuts the fuck up and stops pressuring me for sex, and accepts to have sex with me only in that one occasion when we're going to have our child, or you let me have and use my contraceptives. I see abortion as a last resort BUT too many shitheads in the pro-life movement want to take women away any form of birth control be it even something safe, sane and just such as the pill so I don't trust you pieces of shit. Plus, if a woman is determined not to have offspring it's her right not to have it without renouncing sex, which is also for pleasure, for it.
>>60033720 >white women are more priviledged than negresses >introduce a special tax when whites go to abort their babies, they must pay double the ammount to finance the oppressed and underprivileged black strong wyominnn >stupid liberal girls are ripped off and helping the erradication of niggers >while most whites reconsider >white population goes up >nigs stay pretty much on same rates or even decline >everyone is happy
>>60050445 I'm not interested in doing anal. I also don't want to risk an unwanted pregnancy so spare the bullcrap if I cannot peruse my birth control I will not have sex, period. Abstinence is safest afterall, and as for orgasms and sating the libido there's masturbation. He can shut up and masturbate, it works for me.
>>60049412 the only legal cause of death is asphyxiation. lack of oxygen to the brain. this may be a result of blood loss from being stabbed with a knife, but being stabbed with a knife doesn't mean you are dead. quite literally, you have to stop taking in air to be declared dead.
I may be simple minded, or maybe it's because I'm adopted (so obviously my birth Mom probably at least considered abortion at some point), but I never understood how people can be so non-chalant about abortion. It has always seemed very obvious that 'if left alone under normal circumstances a fetus will turn into an adult human being' is a fairly solid reason to not kill it or at least not be so flippant about killing it.
>>60051273 I do want to murder my own children if I didn't want to have them in the first place. I regularly take the pill to prevent unwanted pregnancies so the existence of unwanted children implies they were conceived by force or trickery, and I don't want to ruin my life for that. They are a huge drain on time and resources I don't want to impoverish myself to deal with.
>>60051256 I did consider adoption as a valid alternative to abortion but then what if the adult kid returns to make demands on me and my property? I could not stand that. I'd only do adoption if I was sure the kid I don't want to deal with will never have anything to do with me for life.
And then there's the children of rapists, I cannot let the spawn of such disgusting people live.
>>60050445 >"safe" days The time of ovulation can fluctuate a great deal in some women, basically the only safe days are when she's on her period, and that's just nasty >sodomy enjoy your incontinence and prolapsed anus
>>60051570 In that case the baby and his body should be abandoned somewhere, I'm sure the God you people love to invoke so much will look out for it if it's meant to live. What's that? I can't do that? I have to throw my life away for an unwanted piece of shit? Well then since I have so much more at stake than anyone else my choice matters far more than anyone's.
For me to care about the abortion requires me to be concerned about the welfare of my fellow Americans. Hahaha. I'm not even an organ donor. You think that I give a shit about any of you snot-nosed, dandruff-covered retards?
I hope your mothers all get cervical cancer. I hope your children are stillborn.
You don't have to do anything. As long as you admit that you are getting rid of a baby (in what ever capicity you are doing it) then that is enough really.
It's the mental hoops that people just through to try and convince everyone that a fetus somehow isn't just a baby version of a...baby, just like a baby is a baby version of a child, and a child is a baby version of an adult, etc.
>>60052401 >Why are you so friggin' full of hate? I'm not, I just like to call things by what they are and I talk like everyone on this site does. What's so surprising? I don't believe this is your first day on 4chan.
We certainly would not say 'that isn't a human being' to any one of those stages, except some people do so with a human fetus. When the only difference between ANY of them is time.
In my opinion (which differs from yours) the attributes you are assigning to a fetus are better suited assigned to a sperm; as a sperm does NOT have any chance of becoming a human adult unless extremely specific requirements are met.
>>60050532 I hate to break it to you but you fell for the oldest trick in the book. "you can't have it neener neener neener." it's a marketing scam you silly girl.
>"i'm gonna take your contraceptives away" no i want contraceptives don't take them away >"well ok, but they are extremely dangerous. they screw up your immune system, and mess with your brain" oh, yes. I'm aware of the risks, but i need them pleas don't take the pill away >alright silly girl you win this time, but we'll vote on this again in a few weeks oh than you thank you thank you, here's my money >cha ching >hey sill girl, you're too young to drink no i'm not >yes you are I'm a big girl for my age, i can drink if i wan to >nope, it's illegal i don't care i want to become an alcoholic >cha ching >drugs are bad for you i want them >no >cha ching
People don't talk like that on /pol/ very much to be honest; at least not the ones I've had discussions with. I like this website because it's a place where I can come and have good discussions with people from different viewpoints (with a lot of shit-talking of course but that is just banter).
>>60052686 I never said a fetus isn't a human being but I don't see how that would be a problem in regards to abortion, since human beings are killed for just reasons all the time. A man shot a gypsy thief to death some months ago, everyone praised him for defending his property from the intruder. And a gypsy thief is just as a human being as a fetus is, even though gypsies are rightfully thought as subhuman scum.
I don't care for sperm since I don't produce it and I don't control it. I care for what's available to me to exercise birth control on myself, by myself and with my own hands. So far the pill is best, and I think all women should use it diligently to avoid unwanted pregnancies and keep abortion as a last resort, but since men can still force and deceive you - why then should a woman ruin herself and her life for that?
>>60051954 >literally quoting the talmud >new age bibles I quoted the King James Version.
>>60052057 He doesn't save people from being murdered out of nowhere. >unwanted piece of shit How can you be so hateful to your own child? >my choice matters far more than anyone's What about the child's?
>>60052321 He sacrificed himself then, if you intentionally killed 5 niggers and one White person at the same time, that would be different.
>>60052493 Is pulling the plug on someone in a coma no problem? What makes you think they only gain life when they're born? They're all people though, you wouldn't murder a baby or a child or an adult.
>>60052620 You're calling a child an ""unwanted piece of shit""
If it is a human being, killing it would be murder. It is not a just reason just because you don't want to raise the child. A poor White child isn't a a thief for being poor. He's also not a gypsy.
Abortion is jewish/marxist/feminist. Why does it even need to be "ruining" your life? You shouldn't be sleeping around that you would be a single mother, anyway. Jews invented this ideology, along with every other satanic ideology.
>>60052732 I take the pill myself what are you on about? Shit's absolutely safe and beneficial, fuck it's even sparing me having to use painkillers when I get my period since it makes the blood and tissue much more fluid and easy to expel. The pill is a fucking blessing and should be free for all and every woman should use it.
>>60052802 You shouldn't have your feelings hurt so easily.
>>60053194 >baby grows up >starts asking questions >eventually learns the truth >pesters mother for a meeting and makes demands he's not entitled to and ruins both his and her life again
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