Oregon "Militiamen"

>>60032810

>No property damage
>No looting
>No violence
>No injuries
>30 miles from nearest town

Yeah, a bunch of dudes camping in a parking lot is totally the same thing as gunning down coworkers because they celebrate a holiday you don't.

6/10, got me to reply.

>>60032810

What is it that makes it terrorism? The firearms? The occupation?

Who are they terrorizing in pursuit of what political goal?

>>60032919
they have guns hurr

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>>60032810

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>>60032810
It's not terrorism at all. There's also nothing wrong with terrorism. It's just a tactic.

>>60032810
Maybe they haven't actually terrorized the gov't?

>>60032810
I hope these land thieves and their supporters all get shot dead.

>>60032810
Who exactly are they terrorizing?

From my perspective, it's the federal government that is the real terrorist organization here.

>>60032810
These Patriots Dindu Nuffin, they a freedum loving boys!

>>60032810
Who are they terrorising?

>>60032810
Terrorism is using fear to manipulate people

these people are using force

therefore, it is not terrorism

Why are liberals so scared of calling Islamic terrorism Islamic terrorism?

One can easily recognize the topics that are important to shills posting here, right?

Clearly they're scared of those who directly opposed the federal government.

>>60032810

one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter

just saying

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>>60032919
This burger, needs too be assimilated.....Knowing too much kills you....

Ron Paul 2012

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TERRORISM

>>60032810

because you would have to call the ferguson looters and the black lives matter movement terrorists first.

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>>60033341

>>60032810
Because nothing they've done comes close to the definition of terrorism.

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>>60033380

FREEDOM BABY!!

I love it. I'd join in if they were closer to where I live.

GOT DAMN I LOVE AMERICA!

>>60033380
lel at that fat fuck with the beret

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>>60033436

SOMEONE CALL IT WHAT IT IS!

>>60033436
terrorists
>>60033380
terrorists
>>60033341
terrorists
>>60032810
freedom fighters

>>60032810
Have they threatened any civilians? Blown up a bus? Shot up a school? Beheaded a BLM agent? Nope. This is between them and the federal government and they want it like that.

>>60032810
The fuck is this? An upscaled thumbnail?
>Faggot

>>60033068
HAHAHA!

Lost.

>>60033465
>Doughboy X.

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>>60032810
Well language is sometimes hard to define. When does a fight become a battle? How big does a tavern brawl have to be, to be called a war?

Well i would say it depends on the context. They are an armed militia (Called militia i assume because they came together and claimed it so, otherwise we could just call them an armed group) A terrorist is someone who uses terror to meet political ends, have they terrorised anybody? Not that i know. They have occupied a house, so they are occupiers. They are occupying in protest.

Lets call them Armed Land-Occupying Protestors

>>60032810

Peaceful protesters, exercising their right to bare arms, who aren't bothering ordinary citizens.

They're not terrorists.

>>60033508
Its by all right a peaceful protest. they are just wearing a full metal jacket condom and that is a wise move when dealing with the feds.

>>60032931

Obongo

>>60032810
It's not terrorism when an american does it, they are just exercising their freedoms.

>>60033140
Yea defending the public lands from thieves and free loaders sure is terrorism.

>>60032810
Did they kill anyone? No?

Not terrorists.

>>60032810
I'll call them terrorists when they attack people and/or their places of business and/or their places of worship and/or their (occupied) homes.

>>60032984
Never heard of the 2nd amendment?

>>60032810

Fuck off faggot

>>60032810
BTFO by first comment.

Wasn't the United States created by acts of terrorism against an oppressive empire?

>>60033711
Yup.

So was the Confederacy, which really drives home the point that history is written by the winners.

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>>60032810
>terrorists literally unexpected open fire into civilians, blow buildings up, and kill others
>people with some guns protesting something they sere as unjust should be compared to those

Fuck off Ahmed.

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>arming yourself so that your protest isn't immediately cracked down on by federal agents in MRAPs, swat gear, and sniper hides.
>terrorism

But

>burning down whole cities because you are upset with a grand jury's decision
>not terrorism

I don't get it. They're peacefully protesting but are smart enough to be armed so government agents don't break it up like they did to the unarmed occupy groups. And BLM regularly incites riots, has caused millions in property damage and loves to aggressively shut down public roads and buildings in populated areas.


>tfw I see liberals saying that Obama should bomb them

>>60033503
>the narrative I wish the media actually spewed so my anger would be justified

Anyone calling these men terrorists needs to fucking leave this country permanently.

these guys are just roleplaying their favorite little fantasy of them vs the gubmint just like in the movies. can't wait til shit gets real

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>>60032810

>Not a single shot fired
>Not a single death
>Not a single Muslim involved
>Terrorism

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>>60033204
Force is pretty scary to most people.

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>>60032810

>w-why aren't you sperging out over this government created psyop, anon

these are terrorists. They took over a federal building while armed. They've already committed several felonies and should just surrender now and face justice or things will go down really badly for them.

>>60033912
see
>>60033380

>Awareness of the Black Panther Party for Self-Defense grew rapidly after their May 2, 1967, protest at the California State Assembly. On May 2, 1967, the California State Assembly Committee on Criminal Procedure was scheduled to convene to discuss what was known as the "Mulford Act", which would make the public carrying of loaded firearms illegal. Eldridge Cleaver and Newton put together a plan to send a group of 26 armed Panthers led by Seale from Oakland to Sacramento to protest the bill. The group entered the assembly carrying their weapons, an incident which was widely publicized, and which prompted police to arrest Seale and five others. The group pleaded guilty to misdemeanor charges of disrupting a legislative session.[53]

>>60033842
tell that to poroshenko
>idiot

>>60032919
>>60033426
>>60033621
>>60033630

This. It's NOT terrorism. They have a right to bear arms, and they're exercising that right. Simultaneously, they have occupied a federal government building and are protesting.

They're protestors. They haven't threatened anyone with anything, and they haven't used violence.

They are, however, equipped to defend themselves, should the need arise.

There is literally nothing wrong with what they're doing.

Anyway, you always hear these anti-gun faggots screaming "BUT IT SAYS WELL-REGULATED MILITIA!"... Ok, well now there's one doing something. Wat nao, faggots?

You always hear these anti-gun faggots screaming "BUT YOUR AR-15 IS USELESS AGAINST THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!", except now there's a bunch of people with them protesting the federal government *inside* a government building. Wut nao, faggots?

These guys are fucking heroes, for showing the rest of the world how to take on the government properly; peacefully, but armed and ready to defend themselves.

>>60033912
If they surrender, they go to federal prison.

If they stick to their guns, there is a chance they could be allowed to walk out of this "free" men. (And by free I mean not in prison but on every watchlist in the country)

Why on Earth would they ever surrender?

>>60032810

terrorism is when you attack civilian populations in order to envoke fear or TERROR, hence the word TERRORISM. Telling the government to fuck off is not inherently terrorism.

>>60033816
I wouldn't be so hopeful of that, judging by that post you might find yourself at the end of a short rope soon.

>>60032810
reported for leftist shilling

>Why are conservatards so scared of calling these guys terrorists?

Because under current US policy and law, the war on terror means pulling a ripcord on all the normal domestic protections.

Full NSA unreasonable search and seizure wrecking, guantanamo bay, and extrajudicial operations, drone strikes. Mobilizing the military, or police who are armed and act practically identically to the military. All that shit is what comes with terrorism.

What's more it should be very troubling that the fires were prosecuted/reclassified as terrorisim in the first place.

So far, it seems more like occupy BLM than anything terrorists.

>>60033230
Some shillsters are way too easy to pick out. Like the ones advocating terrorist attacks against federal buildings? What's up with that.

>>60032810
Terrorism is a title reserved for Muslims my friend.

>>60032810
Because they don't cause terror among citizens?

>>60034264

Fuck yourself mongol >>60034046

>>60032810
this terrorism thing is exactly what the spyops documents describe as what one could do to have more favorable views made into the population

>something happens
>be the first one to repeat a single thing over and over, even if its a lie
>hope that it sticks

No, this is not controversial, your opinion is artificial. Your spamming of this opinion, your shitposting wont make it the main narrative.

Threads like this should be removed and people like you should be banned.

>>60034061
With one swift drone strike they are all fucked.

2nd amendment is outdated, they are just peashooters compared to what the gummint has.

>if only it would happed, my popcorn is ready.

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>>60032810
You're absolutely right. These retards are occupying federal state property. The wildlife refuge was a state run property. They are occupying that land, it's an illegal occupation.

Meanwhile, according /pol/ the Wall Street Occupy movement was shut down by the police and /pol/ were cheering the heavy handed tactics of removing people from the square

And just like here,

>no violence
>no force
>no damage to property

/pol/ has serious double standards and can't form a coherent argument beyond happening threads and posting vertically

>>60034219
>terrorism is when you attack civilian populations

This too. EVEN IF THEY WERE SHOOTING, if they were shooting at federal government agents, it would NOT be terrorism.

Governments are ALWAYS a legitimate target in war.

>>60034219
terrorism
ˈtɛrərJzəm
noun
the unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

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>>60032810
Daily reminder that the oregon terrorists are not being arrested because they happen to be white

>>60034411
Double jeopardy is illegal too, but that doesn't seem to bother the feds too much. Why should the law bother us?

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>Terrorism

Oh did they start killing people or blow up any school busses? Or decapitate a federal agent?

No, they are literally just doing the same shit Occupy did, but they are armed so they don't just get broken up immediately.

>terrorism is when you attack civilian populations in order to envoke fear or TERROR, hence the word TERRORISM.
Wait, wouldn't that make RAF and USAAF terrorist organizations?

>>60032810
They haven't even killed anyone, a terrorist takes hostages, then executes them. Or detonates explosives in crowded public areas. They've done neither.

>>60034406
>gubment is going to use drone strike on civilians

Lol do you retards actually believe this? If that happened the US government would actually be fucked.

>>60034061
>they're just armed protestors who have illegally occupied a building and have firearms to defend themselves!

>police clear the area
>"protestors" use their guns
>people die

REEE DONT LE TREAD ON ME LEAVE ME ALONE LADS : )))

>>60034406
And if it happened, what then? Mass outrage and mass uprising. If the US government is going to use its brains, it'll let these guys occupy that building until they get sick of it and just leave.

There's absolutely nothing to be gained by forcing a showdown here for the authorities. I know, it's always tempting for them to try swinging their big dicks around, but that's what got the situation this far already. It'd be a dumb move.

>>60032810

because the government is the terrorist here

thanks

>>60034481

Daily reminder that progressive shit eaters would put white men with guns on the same level as muslim scum who ACTUALLY shoot innocent Americans.

these idiots are just like the "am i being detained officer?" guys but on a much larger scale. can't wait for the feds to come in

>>60034591
>if only it would happen, my popcorn is ready

I know it won't, but imagine the amount of entertainment the rest of the world would get out of it.

>>60032810
Because they're not?

>>60034469
>using 2016 newspeak goodgoy definitions

let me guess, racism to you is oppression plus power? fuck off you australian shitposter.

>>60034406
If this happened, That drone would be firing the cannon at Ft Sumpter

>>60034616

>>60033341
>>60033380
>>60033436
>>60033500

>>60034406
They would already have lost if they did that.

>OY VEY THESE PEOPLE ARE PROTESTING AND USING THEIR SECOND AMENDMENT
>LETS KILL THEM

If you think this would go over well AT ALL, you'd be surely mistaken.

>>60032810
Because they are Patriots you fucking nigger. The federal government has been playing dirty tricks to get this land for decades.

>>60034616
>illegally occupied a building

How is that even possible? It's a federal government building. That means it was bought and paid for by the US citizenry. How can US citizens illegally occupy something that they own?

>>60034707
Using established well known definitions, maybe you should put the bag of cheetos down and read some time.

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>>60034371
It's always you shills being mad over nothing.

>>60034635
This.

The same thing went down at Bundy Ranch. Some local fed representatives got a little power crazy and made a giant mess, and after a long standoff everyone realized it wasn't worth the trouble and went home.

The same thing will happen here if the Feds are smart. Just drop the extra petty 3 year charge and let everyone go home so we can all get on with our lives. It's really not worth the trouble on the Feds part.

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In all seriousness, it's hard to take these guys seriously. Having a problem with federal govt's land practices or whatever is fine, but there are other ways to express/achieve the desired change without potential armed conflicts. Such a stance only serves to escalate the situation and delegitimize any otherwise valid grievances they have as the ramblings of thugs or whatever.

Also, if they think that govt tyranny is such a problem, what is their stance on police brutality, in which govt employees use excessive, sometimes lethal, force as a disproportionate means of solving disputes with citizens? If anything should be called "tyranny", it should be cops beating/killing citizens unjustly, but this Oregon Militia seems to be silent on that matter. They don't need to convince conservatives that their position is correct, but they do need to convince liberals in order to get further support. Therefore, refocusing their grievances to include things like police brutality, a hot liberal talking point right now, could allow them to craft a more inclusive coalition with the left, the strength of which could allow non-violent political pressure to be exerted on the govt for reform which everybody likes.

But they're not doing that. Instead, a dozen guys broke into an empty bird sanctuary or something and set up camp with their ARs and think they're the cradle of the revolution.

>>60034777
>citizen ownership
Commie detected

>>60032810
They're activists. Did you call the rioters in Ferguson, terrorists? They actually terrorized the town. These people are supporting the town. And have hurt no one.

They could BECOME terrorists, but that hasn't happened. You're just assuming.

>>60034777
Because the vast majority of those protestors don't even pay basic income tax and are survialists. And even if they did pay tax and didn't shoot every irs official that enters their "community", just because you pay in to something doesn't mean you have free reign to just walk in with fully automatics and shouting muh freedom.

>>60034899
>>60033843
Shit, not OP, that was from another thread I started today, I forgot to remove the name

>>60034899
1) They haven't shot anyone and have specifically said they won't shoot anyone unless they are shot at
2) Police brutality, statistically, is a non-issue. It happens about 3% of the time, so it's completely irrelevant.
Try again, Reddit.

>>60034899
>Commie detected

When it comes to federal buildings, the public does in fact own them.

>white
>not killing people
>just being edgy libertards
they are harmless

>>60035045
Statistically, how often do things happen like what the militia is upset about? The land stuff.

>>60035063
If the public owns them, as you describe it, that means that the building they're in is also mine, so they're trespassing on my property.

>>60034899
They are there to have very specific demands met.

>Drop all charges on the Burn Ranchers
>Cease attempts to purchase land from Burn Ranchers
>Allow all militia members to return home

If the protesters started giving out vague demands like "end police brutality" or "end tyranny" they would end up exactly like Occupy Wall Street where nobody is even sure why they were there. No, they kept their demands small and local.

If they protested in the "normal way", the rancher would already be done with his extended prison sentence by the time they got to court, thus defeating the entire purpose of the protest to begin with. Also, it is obvious that the BLM only understands force since they have a long history of fucking with rural land owners until fucking militias show up.

>>60035063
No. The public elect officials who administer the funds and upkeep of the building. Just because you don't like the officials, doesn't mean you have a right to occupy it.

Tough shit buddy, put it to a referendum, and if the people back it, then you have a mandate.

Only a civil war or splitting this country can fix the problems honestly. The Progs want to use the government to kill whitey and implement islamic communism (joking, but something like it). America is either going to be fixed or it will die forever and become a mutated mongrelized dystopia that I will not be part of.

>>60035013
They have fully automatic weapons now?

Oh goody, I'm sure you'll have proof to back that up.

>>60035208
>If the public owns them, as you describe it, that means that the building they're in is also mine, so they're trespassing on my property.

Maybe you should go do something about it then, tough guy.

>>60032919
land grabbing is theftery
jail those clowns

>>60035045
>won't shoot anybody unless they are shot

So we ask kindly for them to leave, they don't, then the state initiates force to take it back, then the protestors shoot.

What kind of fucking retard logic do you have?

Some more well-armed "terrorists", no doubt:

http://www.thedailysheeple.com/well-armed-activists-openly-defy-texas-law-to-feed-the-homeless_122015

Because feeding the homeless is illegal now.

>>60034695
Fuck off edgelord

>>60035457
Your 100% right.

Fuck the BLM for trying to steal their land.

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>>60032984
>Britcuck scared of guns

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>>60035401
I'm trying to get the feds to bust them, but /pol/'s over here being apologists for crimes against property

>>60035457
>theftery
wow

>>60032810
NOGERO

>>60035469
>thedailysheeple

>>60033098
You mean the government?

>>60035585
>ignore the story because you don't like the domain name of the source
>posting on 4chan

>>60032810

>taking over an abandoned building
>taking over wall street

You just have bad taste anon and are questionably violent.

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>>60033672
>thieves and free loaders

OREGON HAPPENINGS:
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/01/03/full-story-on-whats-going-on-in-oregon-militia-take-over-malheur-national-wildlife-refuge-in-protest-to-hammond-family-persecution/

TL;DR:
family owns lands since the 1870s

Fed has wanted your land for years to turn into a wildlife reservoir (i.e. make them money)

never sell to them regardless of their constant harassment by ATF and BLM (bureau of land management)

>2001, routine bush fire on property

tell fire department beforehand, accidentally burn 100 acres of federal land, put it out yourselves

>2006: lightning storm starts bush fire on your property

start backfire to push it away from your private property

cops show up next day and press charges , go to court
tried and convicted, sentenced to a year in jail
go to prison for roughly one year
get let out, government says you've served your time

>2011: feds want your land again, still won't sell

feds issue re-sentencing convicting you of domestic terrorism
now a convicted terrorist - must serve a mandatory minimum of 5 more years in federal prison
.gov focuses on deer/elk hunting on your own property while in season - call it poaching - say lack of evidence is no reason not to plaster it in media

>2015/6: 150 men and women occupy a completely empty government building that was closed for the winter - nobody hurt

liberals call them terrorists, make them look radical, don't look into what actually happened and compare to a hypothetical if they were muslim or black etc. yet ask why these people havent been droned/murdered by the feds

>https://youtu.be/sbGdMKpHDDE

>>60035516
That was a quality shitpost
How long have you been living in the Netherlands for my ex-patriot brother?

>>60034526

The united states does not specifically target civilian populations. They target military targets and assets which just so happen to have civilians in/around them.

A terrorist group is a group of people who specifically target civilians specifically to kill just civilians in order to make regular people fearful and in effect turn them against their government.

>>60035616
Yea I hope the government shoots them.

>>60033068
>It's not terrorism at all.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/terrorism

>the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.

>>60032810
Man, you shills have really got your marching orders for this one, don't you?
It's good to see you guys working so hard to discredit them. It means they have your controllers scared.

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#yallqaeda
#vanillaISIS
#YeeHawd
#YokelHaram
#Infantada
#ShaniaLaw

These hashtags are trending all over Facebook and Twitter.

Way to win the hearts and minds, you fuckin rubes..

Even Harney County wants these fags to go home

>>60035743

Well, they won't, sorry Mohammed.

/pol/ is getting retarded day by day.

>>60035837
>That compression
No one gives a shit about nigger memes

>>60035563
>I'm trying to get the feds to bust them, but /pol/'s over here being apologists for crimes against property

The entire federal government is an apologist for this behavior. >>60034046

Black Panthers literally walked into a legislative session with guns and all they got was misdemeanor charges.

>>60035795
No, you are not allowed to use the proper and official definition.

Ask that other American anon.

>>60035837
>Liberals are making hashtags while conservatives are actually out risking their lives for what they believe in

Seems legit.

>>60032810
>T E R R O R I S M
I think it starts being terrorism once they kill people.

This is just a case of robbery. Farmers robbing federal land because they figure who's going to notice in Oregon.

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>>60032810
>kike media calling the right to bear arms terrorism
Let's go through our checklist, shall we
>No property damage
>No injuries
>No deaths
>No stealing/looting
>Far away from town
Now let's go through the list and compare it to recent chimp-outs. Oh wait, they did all of those things.

Ahmed loves the cock of the fed.

>>60035837
>Way to win the hearts and minds

You mean the hashtag slacktivists?

Oh no they don't have the support of desk jockeys. What a tragedy.

>>60033698
>>60035538
>wow for the shit posting country you guys dont get sarcasm

>>60035691
Don't forget that the 5 year sentence was the supposed minimum for their conviction, but the first judge couldn't give them that because it was excessive, but they get around that with a second judge.

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>>60034406

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>>60032810
The reason statist faggots like OP flip shit so hard about these guys is that it runs counter to their gun confiscation fantasys. They long for the day when they manage to sign away someone else's freedom and self empowerment. When they see us stand up to the state it gives them fits of rage to remind them that they are a bunch of limp dicked crybaby faggots. They want everyone to have to rely on the state just like they want to and they can't stand it when people dissent against them and their precious nanny state. It's the same reason they cry so hard about open carry. It's a living reminder that they haven't gotten their way.

The Oregon militia standoff, explained

http://www.vox.com/2016/1/3/10703712/oregon-militia-standoff

>>60032810
If they are "terrorists", then so are marching, looting dindu's.

>>60036153
>self empowerment
Do you need a gun for that? Or it a cowardice thing?

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>>60032810
So when the Black Panthers would show up with m1 carbines around polling places during elections or civic buildings during protests that was T E R R O R I S M then right liberals?
No?
Hello?

Marco?

>>60036154
are you seriously posting a vox link HERE of all places? Not even a pastebin?

>>60035795
No, no, no. Terrorism isn't JUST the use of violence and threats for political purposes, it's all of that PLUS white privelege. Only white people can be terrorists.

Death to poachers! Death to terrorists!

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>>60032810
if they are terrorist, the black lives matters are terrorists, occupy wall street where terrorists, the tea party where terrorists, any gathering of more than three people are terrorists, is that the world you want to live in because I don't and I will fight to the death to prevent it.

>>60036305

STOP

ONLY WHITE MEN CAN BE RACISTS OR TERRORISTS

>>60036211
>OccupyDemocrats
>Speaking for the average citizen

Pick one.

>>60032810

I love the narrative the media is trying to push...

They were poaching on 160 acres.

Wow, that sounds like a lot. other another way, 0.25 square miles. hrmm

Then, to cover evidence of poaching they start a fucking forest fire? What evidence would be left after they removed the corpse? If they had stands, just take the fucking stand down.

>>60032810
Good.

Seal off the area and starv them to death.
Let no one even close.

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>>60036211

>>60036576
Retardet poauchers.
Not to mantion it was enath evidance to convince a jury and inprison them.

Domestic terrorist btfo.

>>60036243
this /bread

>>60036576
Why does it matter?

The accusations of poaching come from before the ranchers first trial and imprisonment. If he had committed poaching, he would have been found guilty in a court of law, and would have already served his time for it.

Not only are the accusations of poaching stupid, but they hold no power over him one way or the other because he already served his sentence. So even if they are true they are completely irrelevant to the double jeopardy he faces now.

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>>60032810

>yfw liberalism is the new McCarthyism

Seriously what the fuck happened to liberals in the last 5-10 years? They went full fascism full anti-white racism mode.

>>60032810
gtfo faggot. back to reddit.

>>60036928
>mccarthyism
>fascism
>etc

No anon, this is maoism. Don't get confused.

>>60036928
It's really amazing how quickly things are changing for the worse.

Could you even imagine all of this crap happening 5 years ago?

>>60035691
starting a forest fire and burning 130 acres of federal land is not routine.

they were were doing nothing but poaching and Poachers should be shot on site, you dumb redneck.

>>60036576
>poaching on your own land
>leaving evidence out to such a degree that you have to burn it in the open

The entire accusation is baseless and 100% full retard.

Most/all poachers are not state residents and get rid of the evidence immediately. That's how poaching works.

>>60032919
Anyone know if there were any people at the HQ when they arrived?

>>60037071
The court said otherwise.

>Poachers should be shot on sight
Full fucking retard.

>>60037120
There were none, it is closed for the winter.

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>>60037071
>Poachers should be shot on site, you dumb redneck.

>Right wing terrorists have stand-offs with the federal government
>Left wing terrorists shut down highways, disrupt events, threaten individual people online and loot their own neighborhoods
Pretty sure most Americans would rather have a militia group protesting in their neighborhood in comparison to a black lives matter group. While they do fit the term of terrorism its with a very weak t since they're only using violence defensively rather than offensively to achieve a political goal.

>>60037177
Get uf muh lawn nigger!

>>60037091
>Most/all poachers are not state residents and get rid of the evidence immediately. That's how poaching works.


but not all. Locals will just leave the evidence out right and cry the town rally to circle the wagons. This is typical , dumb redneck behavior,.

>>60033634
Federal agents are just observing for now. 3/10 made me reply.

>>60032810
>the right actually protests against the feds
>the left doxs some poor factory worker, contacts the factory he works in, gets him fired and ruins his life

Who's the real terrorist.

>>60037268

Even if locals trespassed and did it, it wasn't the ranchers who did, and good fucking luck proving the animals (if there even were any) were poached.

It's unproven, baseless bullshit.

>>60032986
what a worthless dindu.

>>60033698
>hurr
>Hurr
>HUrr
>HURr
>HURR
>HURRRRRRR

>>60037257
See
>>60036915

Even if they were poaching and were found guilty, they already served their sentence fair and square. Go back to bed Muhammad.

>>60037071
>Poachers should be shot on site, you dumb redneck
gold

>>60033199
obongo and his gf hillary.

>>60032810
epic bait m8

>>60037362
They where in jail for that you wood nigger! There is more then enath evidance. The jury has spoken. Now fuck off terrorist.

>>60034469
>use of violence and intimidation

what violence has been committed?

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>>60032810
Not at all, these courageous patriots are simply moderate rebels protesting against the tyrannical government that is oppressing them. Hopefully Obongo will send them some armaments to aid in their noble cause.

>>60037362
rednecks gonna redneck. its still just a bunch of hillbillies throwing a tantrum because , >muh sovereign citizenship < and being the immature and uneducated shitbrains that they are

>>60037585
Your right. They went to jail, served their time, and were released.

It is illegal to force them to go back.

>>60032810
Because I believe in what they are doing.

>>60037655
>I can't prove they were poaching
>Better just call them rednecks again

The term redneck also implies someone who works a hard, simple job outdoors. How this is a derogatory term is beyond me. I find hard, manual labor to be a noble thing, but you seem like the kind of person who would have a panic attack if you weren't within wifi range of a starbucks.

ALEX JONES!
On the air NOW with LIVE updates from OREGON!!!

Here: www.infowars.com

>>60034406
>drone operators don't go home to there families after shift.

Trust me federal agents don't want to do shit that might make their neighbor slit their throats in their own home. This isn't a distant 3rd world shithole with no repercussions.

>>60032810
Alex Jones on LIVE RIGHT NOW FROM OREGON !!!!!!!!

12.160 Mhz

>>60037595
The thread of violance if the terrorist dont get what they want is real. What will happen if the demands get not fullfilld?
Mhh
Explain that you terrorist. Will you aloha akbar?

>>60032810
You are a gigantic faggot. This is the main reason we fight for the 2nd amendment, not just because we love a material piece of metal.

Even though this is bait, the fact you even thought of it makes you a moron.

>>60037864
>12.160 Mhz
how do we listen in non radio and non american

>>60037845
>This isn't a distant 3rd world shithole with no repercussions.

I think we already knew this wasn't happening in Detroit.

>>60036847
shut up kebab

>>60037864
AM? FM? Narrow FM?

>>60037664
Its legal when they broke the law again.
So did they?
Have you proves that they didnt?

>>60037815
redneck actually means, the uneducated help.

their defense mechanism is to rally the town and circle the wagons when threatened. Its pretty hard to prove wrong doing when the town sheriff is the one leading the cross burning every Sunday.

>>60037974

Or Philly, don't forget Philly.

>>60037585
>They where in jail for that you wood nigger!

They weren't in jail for poaching you ultimate faggot.

>>60037818
>posting info wars
really

>>60038014
Fuck off mahmud "designaet shiting tower" nigel!

Go and patrol your sharia shit zones.

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>>60032810
Nah it's the federal government that are the terrorists.

these guys are just a taste of things to come as state after state succeed from answering to washington's dictatorship.

Rome is on fire and the empire has a problem, is the truth

>>60036915
>>60034502

Please enlightenment me on the double jeopardy that the Hammonds face o masters of jurisprudence. Clearly you know more about the law that those two bit hacks that ruled in
United States v. DiFrancesco that prosecutorial appeals of sentences do not violate the fifth amendment.

Their right to LARP shall not be infringed.

>>60032810
Seems more of a peaceful protest to me. Ferguson had similar protests but for some reason the whole town burned. Hmmmm.

>>60038568
150th fagmentment!

Not infrige!
Muh!

>>60034437
So embassy bombing isn't terrorism?

>>60034406
>With one swift drone strike they are all fucked.

oh god I wish a nigger would...

>>60037874
>The thread of violance if the terrorist dont get what they want is real.

what threat of violence have they made?

>>60038682
No its not.

Thats part of expresion dance.

>>60035013
>the vast majority of those protestors don't even pay basic income tax
[citation needed]

and are survialists
[citation needed]

just because you pay in to something doesn't mean you have free reign to just walk in
[citation needed]

with fully automatics
[citation needed]

>>60037874
If their demands are not fulfilled they'll continue to sit in the parking lot of a little used federal complex... if that's enough to "terrorize" you then you're a massive pussy.

>>60038526
Alight.

The charge of terrorism was deemed unapplicable due to the insubstantial nature of the crime. Under common law, the men could not be given the typical minimum sentence because to do so would be a gross, unethical misapplication of said anti-terror law.

Any attempt of charging him again is simply a retrial of the same actions he committed.

Any further concerns you may have will be addressed by my rifle.

>>60037016
I lived through the 90's. It happened fairly regularly.

>>60035465
>the state initiates force to take it back,
A clear first use of force.

>then the protestors shoot.
A clear-cut case of self-defence.

>What kind of fucking retard logic do you have?
Yes, what exactly IS your retarded logic, you Danish pastry?

>>60033199
Libruls and their 'progressive society standards' that let jamal and achmed rape and kill your wives and daughters. Not to forget MUH WHIT PEPOL EBIL NAZI mentality
Last but not.least is the OBEY GUBMINT STUPID GO-ERR CITIZEN attitude

>>60038020
Check this cuck out.

>>60032931

The fact that they aren't as bad as Occupy Wall Street.

Anything these guys get charged with, ex-OWS will have to be charged with too. And liberal politicians don't want their kids to go to jail, while conservative politicians are scarfing popcorn like Newman at the Seinfeld trial.

>>60038883

This.

>there are white people with firearms RIGHT NOW who aren't doing what they're told!
>oy the shudderings

>>60035743
You hope the government shoots the government agents that are trying to steal the land from ranchers?

Your reasoning seems confused.

>>60032931
Ideology, violence and a attempt to alter politics.
These people lack the first two and may or may not be going for the third.

>>60035837

I bet if I made up a bunch of race inspired hash tags about the Black Lives Matter protestors I'd have someone trying to doxx me and ruin my life.

#DoubleStandards

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>>60035795
Neither violence nor threats have occurred. Stop being a fucking idiot.

>>60034061
/thread
there's so much bullshit in this thread, I can feel the slippery

>>60035013
Making a lot of assumptions there. You're telling me because they wave Gadsden flags that they don't pay any taxes?

>>60035959
>Farmers robbing federal land
You got that backwards, as usual, Germany.

>>60036257
>cowardice
Anytime you take on a bunch of government agents with your bare hands, please put the video link up on /pol/ - I want to laugh at you.

>>60036512
>Death to poachers! Death to terrorists!
Lucky for the Oregon guys that they are neither of those things then.

>>60036601
>>60036847
Shut up Turk.

>>60037071
I REFUSE TO READ: the post

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>Liberals literally changing the definition of 'terrorist' to fit their narrative

Haha, and the niggers from the BLM protests were nothing but peaceful protesters who dindu nuffin, right?

These hicks aren't even doing anything. They've literally just seized a building, peacefully at that, to make a point. They aren't blocking highways, destroying property, or physically assaulting anyone.

They're literally making a stand against what they see as an injustice. Regardless of what your feelings on their protest, they're still protesting. The only difference between these guys and the niggers sitting in front of a police station for rightfully shooting a criminal is that they're a peaceful group with a tangible goal.

They've even invited other citizens to join them to help their cause. Their cause is not terrorism because they have guns.

You cucks that are calling for the military to kill it's own citizens with cowardly 'drone strikes' (which, by the way, are not the do all end all of fucking warefare) is basically just kicking and screaming in the hopes of giving up freedom for 'security' from the scary white guys with guns who aren't afraid of your twitter posts.

I don't even know why there's so much sliding going on, to be completely fuckin' honest.

>>60038883
There are peopele in combat gear heavely armd on gov property.

Yep i am a pussy and i am threatend by this kind of beahavier. Kill them and takey there freedoms. My freedoms are more important.

Or dare you to hinder my freedom?

>>60038891
They were never charged with terrorism. They were never convicted of terrorism.

No one has tried to charge them again with anything. The charges have not changed.

The trial judge set sentences that did not meet the mandatory minimums set by the statue they were convicted under. The government appealed the ruling and was successful. The 9th vacated the original sentence and remanded the case back to the trial circuit. There they were resentenced to five years each and ordered to surrender today.

So basically what you are saying is "I don't understand how the justice system works, but it did something I don't like and I have a gun so I am right."

>>60037268
>but not all. Locals will just leave the evidence out right and cry the town rally to circle the wagons. This is typical , dumb redneck behavior,.

Projecting, much?

>>60037585
>They where in jail for that you wood nigger! There is more then enath evidance. The jury has spoken. Now fuck off terrorist.
Nope. They were never in jail for poaching. Charges of poaching have not been laid at all. Fuck off Turkroach.

>>60038047
Wow, you have no argument and you know it.
>better imply they are KKK.
You sure showed us!

>>60038020
>broke the law again.
Except they didn't.
Have you any proof they did?

>>60032810
What about it is violent? Has there been any actual violence?

Honestly asking, I haven't been following the situation that closely.

>>60032919
Arsonists looting a federal nature reserve is not criminal?

>>60039501
ur a stupid nazi kraut, you have no right to interfere with civilized parts of the world's politics, hans

now fuck off and go feed a refugee

>>60039615
>slurp slurp

how's that MSM cock taste yid?

>>60032810
I do often wonder if things like this trigger euros by filling them with shame and forcing them to come to terms with how cucked they are.

>>60039557
Spotted the kike

>>60038927
Stop evading faggot. Provs or gtfo.

>>60039601

Yes i have proves. They in jail again.
Retards in battel ratel terrorising squirls. Maybe even stealing electricety.

>>60032810
Terrorism: The use of violence to propagate ideological, political, religious and conspiratorial views.

When they use violence then they are terrorists. Until then they are just armed protestors.

Sorry leftist faggot, guns don't make you a terrorist, no matter how hard you want to push that agenda.

>>60039721
lol poor federalist kikes, I dont think them and their rabid leftist pawns have the balsl to confront these folks in military fashion.

They're going to butcher these yankee terrorists. :)

>>60037874
>thread of violance
The only entity that has threatened violence is the government, you sad cuck.

>>60038678
Shut up arschlecker.

>>60039501
>There are peopele in combat gear heavely armd on gov property.
First they are not "heavily" armed. They lack crew-served weapons and rocket launchers. They are lightly armed at best.

Secondly, you have no freedoms, you are n Germany.

Thirdly, no one cares about your opinion.

>>60035795
Just say it as it is, terrorism is anything against the interests of the United States.

>>60039623
Stfu bogdan or you unemployd.

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>>60039501

>anon on the left

>>60039557
Their actions violate the spirit of the law, which is more important than the law itself.

The actual judge who passed down the sentence put it very nicely. To charge the ranchers the minimum sentence would be a gross abuse of the law.

If this case were still ongoing, sure I could understand appealing for a longer sentence. However, these men paid their time and fees. To drag them back to prison now over a small infraction is unethical and immoral.

>>60039721

>that occupy hypocrisy

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>>60039615
>Arsonists
>looting

So thew best you've got is two things that didn't happen?

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Apparently criminals arent criminals when theyre white

>>60039501
>Or dare you to hinder my freedom

You have a lot in common with the people in the building; The only difference is that you wouldn't stand in with them if given the chance, lest you miss your evening refugee dicking.

>>60039812
>Yes i have proves. They in jail again.
That's not proof, that's government abuse of the judicial system.

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>>60039557
>did not meet the mandatory minimums
which were deemed unconstitutional under the 8th amendment.
and under the SECOND ruling the court issued the BLM first denial rights to the families farm land.

This means that when they do sell their land it /must/ be offered to the BLM first.

You're a fucking retard if you see nothing wrong with any of this.

>>60039606
No, the building was unoccupied. No shots fired, no hostages.

>>60039244
Armed gunman taking over a federal building is inherently threatening and inherently political.

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>>60033223

>muh religion of peace

Because libtards can't get enough of mudslide cock desu

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>>60039721
Guess these niggers are heading straight to jail

>>60039878
Stfu Hans/Achmed or you get more refugees!

>>60040024
Apparently it's "protesting" if you're black, and "terrorism" if you're white.

>>60040024
>People on the left smashing private property
>People on the right just walking around

I wasn't aware walking around with a rifle was as bad as smashing some strangers car window.

>>60032919
Squatting around and occupying an area with assault rifles is not a normal activity.

They're invoking fear through the threat of using their weapons.

That is terrorism.

>>60040074
>Armed gunman taking over a federal building is inherently threatening and inherently political.
>says a nobody.
"Gunman" implies they intend to shoot someone or hold someone hostage. Neither of which is true.

>You just got BTFO again.

>>60040238
it's the feds that started it, they're just defending themselves from tyranny.

>>60040238
>Squatting around and occupying an area with assault rifles is not a normal activity.

Normal for the US Government. DO you need a list of nations it has done it in?

>>60040238
There is not one assault rifle in that building you retard.

>>60036211
wasn't rape a real problem in the area with the occupy wall street faggots?

>>60034411
Occupy wall street types were clogging up public spaces and making it difficult for people to get home from work. If they weren't disrupting the public, I wouldn't have given a shit.

>>60040238
>Squatting around and occupying an area with assault rifles is not a normal activity.

Normal for the US Government. Do you need a list of nations it has done it in?

>They're invoking fear through the threat of using their weapons.
No they aren't.

Keep trying though. You're really earning your NSA paycheck today. Well done!

>>60040285
They are committing armed breaking and entering. Which is illegal to be fair, but it's not terrorism.

>>60040238
Open carry is fine, it's no different from >>60040081 but also exercising 2nd Amendment rights

>>60040238
Seems like even the big bad gubmint you want to have 'make thing I don't like' disappear doesn't even want to bother with these people.

What makes you afraid of them? Is playing their victim helping your narrative?

Which hashtags are trending right now, senpai?

>>60040024

And in yet another thread, you suggest it's a "grave injustice" when blacks are shot for attacking non-blacks.

Fuck off, nigger.

>>60040415
>breaking and entering
A fair step down from "terrorism" or anything of that nature.

Is that even a felony in the US?

>>60033462
Just look in the mirror anon.

>>60040332
They could be protesting against it instead. Without guns.

>>60040340
Average citizens are granted the right of the 2nd amendment, but what they are not allowed to do is steal land and threaten the government and anyone else in the surrounding area with their weapons

>>60036211

>implying the occupy movement wasn't domestic terrorism by the same fucking definition

In fact, occupy engaged in far more violence than these guys have.

>>60032810
They're peaceful protesters.

>>60034061
AusBro, I grant you honorary Burger Status.

>>60040285
>Gunman" implies they intend to shoot someone
No, filming farewell videos to their families where they tell them they don't expect to see them again and then holing up in a federal facility with guns is what implies they intend to shoot someone.

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By this flipflopping liberal logic the chinese shop owners that were exercising their 2A rights during the LA riots were terrorists.

You photoshop savy boredom havers should be making fake occupy democrats/similar images comparing these militia members to the chinese shop owners and calling them terrorists.

Much like those fake brady campaign 'rape isn't an excuse for murder' images /k/ did.

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>>60032810
>T E R R O R I S M
No, black person. Grow up

>>60040514

You dont argue with the federalist fascists using signs and billboards. Because that's not going to help anyone.

Because these jackboots already have weapons and are more than ready use them on defenseless people.

You fight fire with fire.

>>60040482
I'm sure it is based on state laws and federal laws.

What has actually happened to the left in the past decade or so? A lot of liberal figures, old school liberal voices are now drowned up by the new liberal insanity.

>>60034411
M A G A
A
G
A

>>60040653
>(ii) influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion
Try reading the next bullet point m8, you might learn something

>>60040514
>Without guns.
But the second amendment right guarantees their right to bear arms, and the First Amendment their right to assemble peaceably. They haven't brandished their weapons or shot at anyone, they haven't even flipped any burning cars or looted storefronts.

>>60040514
>protesting
They _are_ protesting. They also happen to be armed in case any government agent gets it into his silly little head that his name is Rambo like the FBI faggots did at Waco or Ruby Ridge.

>what they are not allowed to do is steal land and threaten the government
Yet that is the express purpose the founders included the 2nd Amendment. Preventing government tyranny.

>>60040238
I'm not afraid of those guys. They're not really doing anything.

>>60040514
Why not with guns? Do guns trigger you anon? Does it bother you that these men can actually stand up for themselves? Obviously they have no intention of causing unnecessary violence or they would have stormed an occupied building and killed people.

The BLM literally runs around threatening people with phony terrorism charges and hired guns in order to steal peoples land. The irony of your statement is not lost to me.

>>60032810
Terrorism huh? WTF is going on exactly this is the first I see anything about this.

>>60032984
>Brits know how to use greentext

>>60040514
>not allowed to do is steal land
When did occupying federal buildings which has been a form of protest since the founding of the country turn into "stealing" land? Do you not know what the word stealing actually means?

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>>60040653
Does that mean that smoking pot or meth is a terrorist act? Kind of makes sense giving the War on Drugs.

>>60040778
The part I underlined is R E Q U I R E D for it to be considered terrorism. It's not terrorism, black man

>>60032810
>Literally have killed 0 people

Fucking terrifying

>>60039601

I know the culture better than you even will, ausfaggot.

>>60040514

>citizens are granted the right of the 2nd amendment

Pls go, commie.

>>60040592
>filming farewell videos to their families where they tell them they don't expect to see them again and then holing up in a federal facility with guns is what implies they intend to shoot someone.

Actually, my ignorant Burger anon, that implies they think the government is going to try and kill them all. Which it's not like the US.gov has never tried murdering it's own citizens in cold blood before.

>>60040332
What tyranny are they defending themselves from exactly? The tyranny of not being allowed to set federally owned forests on fire after illegally poaching?

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>>60034061
That's right friend. Those fags that keep shouting terrorists are statists and braindead degenerates.

These protestors are making a George Washington style last stand against tyranny the US constitution does NOT grant the federal government the authority to seize land that belongs to the states. Federally owned one does NOT belong to the people, because the government will control the land and all the resources. It's just another plot of the government to control every aspect of our lives.

>>60040514
Typical liberal.

>your rights end where my feelings begin

Go fuck yourself, commie.

>>60040885
That roofucker is more American than you'll ever be. Go back to sipping lattes while real men deal with real issues.

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>>60036515
no, if they are terrorists, then all whites are terrorists

oh wait, that is their argument

>>60040414
Didn't you already comment this? Why post twice?
>>60040348
The men are armed. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the 2nd amendment, but these guys stormed a place with their weapons as a sign of intimidation. We have the rights to carry our guns to defend ourselves, but not to use them maliciously like that.
>>60040461
It looks like a threat to me.
>>60040465
You've got me all wrong, I'm looking at this and seeing a misuse of gun rights as a "terror tactic". Correct me if I'm wrong though, I'm all ears ameribro

>>60040893
They don't need to, they just make up evidence and sentence them to death.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/fbi-overstated-forensic-hair-matches-in-nearly-all-criminal-trials-for-decades/2015/04/18/39c8d8c6-e515-11e4-b510-962fcfabc310_story.html

>>60032810
they've done nothing that could possibly be considered terrorism. they aren't terrorizing anyone. they have a beef and they're making it known. it's even less of a nuisance than all those faggots blocking traffic in the cities.

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>>60040885
>I know the culture better than you even will, ausfaggot.
I'm sure you do, being a redneck yourself.

>>60033613

underrated post desu senpai

>>60040899
>MUH POACHING
>ARSON IS TERRORISM

Prove they were poaching nigger. You do believe in innocent until proven guilty in the court of law right?

Oh wait. They were never charged with poaching and poaching has literally nothing to do with this debacle.

I'm not even going to bring up how you honestly believe a minor case of accidental arson is literally terrorism.