I have been spending the last few months trying to understand you people more fully iv been on 4chan for years but I feel like it would truly help me if you would respond to this simple question, what are you 'fighting' for?
The right to express myself.
The right to call a man 'he'.
The right to call out all groups on their bad behavior.
The right to stand up for white people if blacks can stand up for black people.
The right to have a non conformist opinion without being doxxed, shamed and fired.
The right to say all lives matter.
The right to speak honestly and call out bullshit and hypocrisy on all sides.
What else do you want?
> mfw liberals want to force us to call a mentally ill man 'she' or 'ze' or 'attackhelicopterself'
See those people on the horrison?
Yeah they want your kind dead.
You know cut of your head,stone you to death, throw of large building and splat!
Yeah....why am i doing this. no realy fuck you bitch
honestly i find the hole trans gender non conforming thing just a misdirection form actually problems these people take them self to seriously when they should focuses on bigger issues, but this isnt saying men cant be called a man if they wish
A world where common sense and reason are reinstated as actual fucking forces and we abandon this bizarre mockery of society and civility that SJW's claim is the way forward.
What you people propose is the death of our society and the legacy of both Greece and Rome, of the multi thousand year history of democracy.
That's a start at least.
Jesus fuck, is this really how kids write these days?
It's not a misdirection. This is mainstream. We're being forced to deny that biology exists. It's probably the most singular feature of "SJW" belief that we must bow down to whatever the trannies want and pretend a man is a girly girl if he claims to "feel that way". Nobody has the right to demand that.
I'm pretty left wing myself but I hate this Orwellian crap over "gender". It is absolutely repulsive. I would support conservatives for the sole reason they aren't being bullied into pretending men are women by insane trannies.
There's just so much hypocrisy on the Left. Another example. Feminists scream about rape culture but what did they do after Rotherham in the UK and all the other Muslim rape scandals? NOTHING. Feminism doesn't care about women, it cares about attacking white men over nothing.
i was saying it was a misdirection by the sjws, i personally dont see the uses in gender other then to oppress and divide, and feminist in the media are primarily fist worldist witch is a problem that keeps them from talking about islam
>I want to live in a world that free discussion in ALL fields is encouraged and accepted.
Is developing a cure for homosexuality for those who want it a crime?
Why is criticism of islam/religion wrong?, you have seen what they do in the name of god, and i'm not just talking about the extremist's here.
>I want to live in a world where im working for myself, i pay for my OWN healthcare, education, and everything else.
Why is hardworking bob being charged for terramasue' el rederick lightningwish's college art degree?
And most of all i just hate niggers sieg heil desu 88!
Im not sure why your responding to this thread mil8. Its either a slide thread with a bit more effort than usual, a newfag wanting to be spoonfed, or someone who actually has lurked but lacks the iq needed to see the obvious that you wont get through to either way.
We have democracy, except it's a tyranny of the minorities at least in the US, fractional groups of people that don't represent any real people in any way have an inordinate effect on peoples lives, you can see that through the shit heads on US university campuses never mind the fact you actually have quotas for men women and minorities in the workplace.
Your fucking military is about to degrade greatly in capabilities too with your bizarre desire to have women on the frontlines (that'll be a barrel of laughs when women start getting kidnapped by Mahmoud and Achmed for a friendly ISIS rape session and execution) so your army is going to shit.
Plus cultural output from the US is just fucking absolutely absurd as evidenced by Caitlynn Jenner, you've had actors and well known personalities admit in the public sphere that they're horrible people who have commited illegal acts and absolutely no one bats an eyelid in the case of Lena Dunham who actually admitted she abused her kid sister and tried to force her to have sex with her.
I mean seriously the political left is a fucking horrible place for horrible, weak willed individuals and honestly I'd be fine with the world going full fascist just to see you all be thrown foot first into wood chippers.
How do you feel about gender critical feminism?
I fight for the men I've held in my arms, dying on foreign soil. I fight for their wives and children, who's names I heard whispered in their last breaths. I fight for we few who did come home, only to find our country full of strangers wearing familiar faces. I fight for my people impoverished to pay the debts of an Empire too weak to rule them, yet brands them criminals for wanting to rule themselves! I fight so that all the fighting I've already done hasn't been for nothing. I fight... because I must.
i agree with you on your first point and as far as the second 2 go i say no, but you can pay for your own healthcare education and everything els just come to america but in these systems without it socialized it harms everyone except the top, and i think hard work is admirable and everyone should do it.
>but in these systems without it socialized it harms everyone except the top, and i think hard work is admirable and everyone should do it
So do you think that people who don't want to work should have their living costs payed for by the state?
im actually curious as to what keeps you here. i mean i dont hang out on reddit to laugh at them and observe their behavior, so i dont see why anybody would do the same on this board. what attracts you to this place specifically? i've been here 8 years and the rebellious nature personally attracts me
im half black and side with you guys. hate my race. it's an ideological thing, you think i like seeing my peoples kill themselves at unprecedented rates and seeing them chimp out over trivial shit?
white guilt is obviously more dumb since they're still all fanny flustered over their ancestors being slaveowners. at least i have an actual reason
>Please tell me that you want as much as an ideal situation.
Of course we do, but our ideal society's do not match.
So you want socialism? It is alive and well at varying degree's in places like china.
Does that seem appealing to you?
i fine the right wing ideology fascinating, it is so far from anything i would consider i find it helpful to expand my mind with different views, jokes can be funny sometimes too
Calling trannies by their identified gender is just a matter of politeness. Why do words matter so much to you?
>what are you 'fighting' for?
I was raised to do one thing..
I've got nothing to fight for.
i fine the early gains of communist type countries impressive but there totalitarian nature and liberal use of what they called socialism is troubling, for the most part they were just state run capitalist
Oh god, what the fuck
That's over the line
Meh, if someone acts like a woman, looks like a woman, and dresses like a woman, as far as I'm concerned they're more like a woman than a man.
I don't think it's something that should be enforced by law or anything but it's just a matter of courtesy and respect for them.
Nobody has the right to force me to say men are women. It's simply a lie. Words mean things.
Libshits want to force me to call a man 'she' and they want to force women to shower with men. That is perverted and insane.
The more I think about it, the stranger and stranger it gets that "woman" is now a category that people can "identify as," rather than just something you are (or are not).
In fact, the whole thing of "identifying as something" just seems like a set of weasel words to me: they're words you need when you don't actually belong to a group but you want to push your way in, or when you think a group should let you define their agenda, or when you want to discredit a group based on spurious reasons.
If you don't have some kind of agenda, then I don't think you need the words "identify as."
You don't need to hate your race. Associating an entire race with the actions of a few is ridiculous, regardless of skin colour. Something "progressives" seem to have long forgotten.
This is what i get for trying to be civil and talk to these people.
Read a book or attend high school fuuuck me.
Officially calling it boys
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>and liberal use of what they called socialism
But most of those countries were attempts at socialism by it's proper definition. Most of the western 'socialist' countries are just capitalist with an enormous social safety net.
committing 50% of the murders and rapes while being 12% of our population is quite frightening. we kill each other more than any other race.
don't worry though, my 'us vs them' is more about authoritarian vs anti-authoritarian, not race vs race, that's too primitive a way of thinking. im just redpilled on race is all
Laws of nature don't dictate the words we use or the clothes we wear. These are human inventions.
Well, in nature males and females are separated only by biological structure. Words are invented by humans, and as such are malleable. Ditto for clothing. I think the "transgender" problem in many cases arises from forcing people into social roles and clothing they aren't comfortable with rather than actual mental/neurological discomfort with their body. That is, we would have fewer "transgenders" if our roles were less rigidly defined.
Jesus christ i can't find a phrase on their I DON'T know
i very much disagree but i'd rather not have this debate as it's pretty much been debunked several times over by others
Fuck off with that for a start, there is no such thing as an ideal situation, my ideal situation essentially comes down to this.
Mass deportation of anything or anyone that has no significant genetic ancestry for the country they are living in, and I mean you better be 90% native or more, you absolutely better work to the betterment of your society, civilisation and people.
This is important because people actually do pay attention to ethnicity and nationality at least here in Europe, those two things are intrinsically bound to how a nation defines itself and I for one want my nation for my people.
Secondly fuck LGBT rights, why should any section of society be forced to bend and break laws and rules that are again thousands of years old for what is effectively less than 5% of the total population? I'm not saying they should be beaten and abused but I'm sick and tired of these special fucking measures put in place for them.
Funding for the military and sciences should be greatly increased specifically for the core sciences such as physics and mathematics as we are now at a point in time when we need some serious ground broken in our pursuit of new theories.
Laws should be passed that state all workers and job roles should be given to natives with relevant experience in their fields (here in the UK there is a major problem with people going into nursing courses to join the NHS only to find at the end of their course some filthy wee curry nigger from Pakistan has their job because they bought a nursing degree) so these nurses then take their world class education and head off to Australia and other places so we can stop our brain drain that way.
Also Europe should have it's borders defended as evidenced by the refugee crisis, women as a whole probably shouldn't be allowed to vote again as evidenced by the actions of almost every female politician in Europe during this crisis, excluding Marine le Pen since she's not a shitbird.
>Well, in nature males and females are separated only by biological structure. Words are invented by humans, and as such are malleable.
This is Humpty-Dumpty-ism. Redefining words arbitrarily. Words mean things, and you don't get to change them.
"How many legs does a dog have, if you call the tail is a leg? Four, because a tail is not a leg."
What trannies want is to force everyone else to call a man a girly girl if he feels that he is. Nobody has the right to do that. How you feel is up to you, but you don't get to force me to call you or treat you differently.
Again, that's a very broad question. There are plenty of reasons to be angry. I'm afraid you'll need to narrow it down a bit if that's what you really want to know.
I would suggest, however, that anger in and of itself is not necessarily a bad thing. Everyone gets angry from time to time. I'm not sure why that's the question.
Trannies reinforce sex stereotypes as much as traditionalists do.
Traditionalists: You have to change your personality to match your sex!
Trannies and feminists: You have to change your sex to match your personality!
They're both stupid.
Of course, no one should be able to force any of this on anyone. If you want to call trannies "he", that's your right just as it is their right to call themselves "she" and wear dresses. To enforce anything by law on either side amounts to thought policing.
Alright, that's something I can work with. Anyone may be called an SJW. People will argue and test one another here by tossing out labels. Do you think you're an SJW, or not?
Because you seem to have a stereotype for what you think /pol/ is, and disagree with it.
>racism and sexism caused by capitalism
Capitalism in it's purest form financially punishes businesses who engage in prejudice. Refusing to hire someone based on their sex or race decreases the supply of available workers to a business, and refusing to service someone as a customer for the same reasons obviously reduces profits.
Some of this is retarded.
What are you gonna do about the people in North and South America or Australia. None of them are natives. No point in abandoning an entire continent and leaving it to rock worshipping natives.
A lot of people are mixed race. Can't do anything about that.
Agree with you on the paki bullshit. Jobs should be given to citizens of the country first not some curry nigger who is being paid a third of the normal wage in exchange for being allowed to live in the country. There's only one economic system that would allow that.
For me personally -- homogeneous white societies / countries and the right for white people and culture to exist without having "multiculturalism" forced on them by Jews. For language not to be policed and lorded over by cultural marxists. Otherwise I could have some more liberal views, marijuana, gay rights, abortion, are whatever to me.
Well that's what we have right now.
"Misgendering" in other words calling a man a man is a hate crime.
What about the right of women not to be around men when they're taking a shit?
Women are being forced to share a toilet and shower with men.
"Transgender rights" are the rights of mentally ill perverts to infringe on everyone else's rights.
>Thinking that /pol/ is a hivemind and that it's posters universally want the same thing
Please consider suicide.
White only Europe. North America, Australia, New Zealand for starters.
Banning muslim practices in public spaces and at workplaces.
Getting rid of zionist and marxist influences in all aspects of life(politcs, media, banking, etc...).
Stop giving any aid to non-white countries, Israel included.
Conquer more living space for white people comes after life at home countries fixed.
Silencing free speech on campuses across N. America. The culture of shut up. Stifling freedom of the press. The interplay of ideas is an essential part of democracy that SJWs and the like minded have been fighting against for years now.
They're people in America who are white, there's nothing special about them except that they like to intermittently spout off about how they're 1/64th Jeep Cherokee every now and again. They're rapidly being bred out and drowned in a wave of mexicans and all the while getting shat on for even being alive.
Mixed race I couldn't give a fuck, you're all people just like everyone else but much like everyone else I won't be able to look at them without seeing health problems.
Much in the same way I can't look at blacks without seeing increased rates of psychopathy, higher likelihood to carry the warrior gene and hilarious prevalence in crime statistics.
Where should they go? I don't care, the whites will be fine because as always they'll continue to strive to build a better world around them all while blacks try to ruin it for whites and themselves and everyone just shows up to ride their coattails.
>i bileve that the rich benifit from using social issues to distract the people from the more oppressive economic reality that they benefit from
If by that you mean that identity politics as promoted by the establishment destroyed things like the OWS movement, then most people here would agree with you.
Read about the Regressive Left, dude. That's who those people belong to.
They're so obsessed with political correctness and bullshit "let's be nice to everyone" that they will not only IGNORE fact, but they will literally seek to drag us into an authoritarian system where we can't criticize them for their views.
They want the end of free speech so that they can live in a world of white male guilt.
It's disgusting and fuck you for being one.
You should know this by now you leaf loving fuck.
YOU ARE THE NATIVES.
They're practically all fucking dead, white people might as well take what's being used poorly and use it better.
What's the rich? Don't say the top 1%, because mathematically there will always be a top 1%.
What's social issues? Again, you say you're a social justice warrior.
What's distract? If my life is good enough that I don't care about your political issues, am I being distracted, or do I not have to care?
What's oppressive? If my society is so wealthy that the biggest problem of those considered impoverished is obesity rather than starvation, then how are they being economically oppressed?
Why do you think that the capitalists benefit but the proletariat do not?
Fucking this, if people who address boards as hiveminds could kindly neck themselves we'd all be better off.
I'm not a native. My parents came here in 94 because of the Yugoslav civil war.
Ukrainians, Polish, Italians, Portuguese all came here during the mid 20th century. There are black people and Asians who have been here longer than a lot of us Whites. If anything they're more native to this country than us then.
The only natives by your sense would be English, Scottish, Irish, French and Germans. The real settlers.
Can't just ship the non Whites off back to some shithole. That's plain retarded racism. There are plenty of respectable non nigger non Whites in this country.
So, that would be an American way to go. If you see speech you don't like, add more speech that you do like to it. Don't attempt to silence someone, instead contribute to the debate.
But that's not what SJWs do, is it? They want safe spaces, and to silence those with whom they disagree.
This is what I fight against.
I want my country to be free from those kikes and jew lovers.
i disagree with that but i also disagree with people that get upset by people calling them on there 'problematic' language, no one should have a 'safe space' that includes people who have traditionally not been challenged
>but i also disagree with people that get upset by people calling them on there 'problematic' language
Define 'problematic' language. Outright calling someone a racial slur and microaggressions or whatever they fuck they're called are two completely different things.
people who make billions of dollars or more, and its not about us for the most part its about the 3rd world who we exploit with our multi national corporations we can be a self stabilizing welfare state
Okay. So I think you have two ideas here.
>people who make billions of dollars or more
Why is it wrong to be successful? Why should billions of dollars be your standard? Why not Trillions of dollars? Why not thousands?
>its about the 3rd world who we exploit with our multi national corporations
So what's a 3rd world nation? How do we exploit them? Why are corporations that exist in 3rd world nations and in first world nations bad?
What like the Chinese eviscerating property markets?
I also don't care if it's racism, plus I guarantee a bunch of them would like repatriated.
Also that same logic applies anywhere, if a country is not a native white country then any whites living there should be free to test their genetics and have it verified by their ancestral homeland and be able to move home, ideally having a home set up using the sale of their assets and hopefully a job waiting either in their chosen field or a closely related one, meaning if you wanted to head home to great polski place Ivan you could go home today and start making vodka.
both if some one tells you hey that little thing you said that you might not even notice is problematic don't have a fit either dont do it any more or continue to do it at there expense its up to you
>people are acting like degenerate retards and expect people to respond seriously to them
Under many other forms of government your people would be killed without second thought. We don't live in a world that can afford to have a nation full of faggots, transgenders, etc... these people weaken a nation.
Bullshit and you fucking know it.
>using bathrooms based on their perceived gender
>registering LEGALLY as their perceived gender
There are countless more examples of this social lie. Next they'll be saying DNA and biology are sexist, infact I bet they already have.
Agreed to be honest family
That's not how I see "transgender rights".
The transgender rights I support are the right to dress how they want, take hormones and get surgery if they desire, and call themselves as they wish, and to not be beaten or abused or denied a job for it.
Their rights end where yours begin -- including the right to "misgender" them. I consider it impolite, but being polite should not be enforced by law.
The FN won those elections, they x3 their local representation. It's a pyrrhic victory for all other parties who had to make an alliance and nearly disappeared.
It's like if Trump didn't get the nomination and run third party. And to win against him every other candidates, republicans and democrats asked to for for Yeb!
And this for every elections, no more democrats, Hillary and Bernies having to ask their voters to vote for Yeb! and even giving up, not let a choice, it's Yeb! or Trump for every elections.
This is the current situation in France.
>May have privilege
I want you to know that throughout history my family has bled for the ability for my family to live as well as we do now, that's not fucking privilege you beaner fuck, that's caring about the family you leave behind and the future they have.
I honestly wish someone would inspect your prostate with a buzz saw.
>if some one tells you hey that little thing you said that you might not even notice is problematic don't have a fit
Going around policing peoples behaviour over perceived and unintentional slights is both rude and incredibly arrogant.
I fight for the death of islam and gangstah culture, because both are bringing humanity as a whole down, both on the american continent and the european, then is the jews that control the media, later is those fucking australians, if we want to progress, and i mean the real progress of having advanced science and medicine and being able to travel to space, not FUCKING calling everyone for wathever name they want to be called today, if we want to advance together we need to recognize eachother as flawed and the death of many who are a cancer to society should be seen as something good, i know this is edgy but is the true answer, what do you think /pol/?
You haven't actually learned the lessons that were learned in the 20th century. Capitalism is a naturally occuring phenomena, communism is a social construct. You system will break down, even if you have a police state. Communism suggests a group of "enlightened" know better than those who actually take part in society
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Pretty much this /\
I came to /pol/ because I found it the only place I could be outrageous, but also have a place to empower my conservative views. /pol/ is like my version of an echo chamber... Where I can avoid the constant 24/7 bombardment of my views.
OP won't understand this but living as a Conservative we are attacked on all fronts whether it be TV, School, Work, Music, Internet, Culture, Movies.. essentially everywhere we go the society tries to attack us, despite the fact that many of our views are decided by facts and not emotion.
As for the white supremacy shit here, think of those people as the SJWs of the right... I almost think the Jew and extreme White stuff is almost a joke here at this point.
I am a nationalist however and also believe multi-culturalism is cancer, however that has notthing to do with blaming Jews and being racially superior.
Ok so to understand, the Antisocial, Nonscientific doctrines of Social Science, as they were formulated over decades by pampered Academics, jewish transgressors such as Marx, Frankfurt schools, many many white goyim since then in their ivory towers have produced Marxism, Critical Theory, Feminism all of which have the result of what is depicted in that picture there
Adherents to Social Science are essentially the Puritans 2.0, except the unfalsifiable doctrinal text they follow is not the Bible, but Social Science. These adherents derive their only subjective source of superiority by following more closely the exact lettering and wording of those texts than those around them in society, thus giving them the capital they believe they can use to subjugate other people like bullies
We seek to reverse what you see depicted in this image and create a society of true meritocracy and rational fairness. We are slandered to an infinite degree in that task so we have embraced their scorn after a lifetime of bullying to essentially undo their world view by changing and normalizing the very definitions they use to control us, because they have left no other option save violence and are ideologues
>what are you fighting for
>implying we're fighting anything
>implying we aren't fucking with people out of sheer spite
>implying everything ever done by /pol/ wasn't done for shits and giggles
>i bileve that the rich benifit from using social issues to distract the people from the more oppressive economic reality that they benefit from
>therefore i am part of a movement that puts more focus on these "social issues" and activly creates new ones
Progress and peace.
And by progress i mean REAL progress not the hijacked meaning leftists took for themselves to call "progressive" anything that poisons society.