>>60015107 >Yes they are better dickhead Nice ad hominem. A Jew is a Jew is a Jew. Christianity is Judaism for uneducated white people such as yourself. As for the "Christian reform" - once the Church lost its power and actual governments started ruling, THATS when Christians stopped burning witches alive. Because rational people stopped putting up with Christian terrorism. How old are you that you dont know basic history? Fuck off back to /mlp/ you poofing little fag.
any more catchphrases from the Internet or would you like to actually give a respectable argument?
>>60015390 >The lesser of two evils is sometimes the only option Only when intelligent people, such as yourself, are either so mentally ill or so lazy that they can't be motivated to make a change in the world. Trump, Obama, Sanders and all the rest were once nobodies just like you. Difference is, they did something. Also testosterone. Get some.
>>60015392 what is even Abrahamism? Theyre all Jew religions.
>>60015107 Because the Christian world decided to get the religion out of government, something the Muslim world did not. >>60015390 >not entirely based of oppression and fear Really? Because fear of God was one way to keep people in check.
>>60015716 Martin Luther taught that the Sun revolved around the Earth, and he justified that belief using the Bible, even while Copernicus presented evidence that the opposite is true. Christianity prefers articles of faith over articles of actual fact. You're a moron. Thats why you dont understand this.
>>60015780 Yeah no I understand but Christians also are responsible for the recording of ancient texts and eventual internal reform. Romans were going around burning down libraries and killing famous inventors before Christians were a thing. Romans were owning people they considered barbarians but who were actually technologically fairly advanced. The idea of citizenship comes from the Greeks and Romans and anyone who did not have the rights of a citizen were considered lesser.
Christianity has not benefited the world in any way. And before you give this or that example of why I'm wrong...ask yourself if those examples could have been produced by any other group than Christianity. In other words...was Christianity integral in any of the so-called "good deeds" that Christians have done in the world? Or could those same acts have been accomplished by anyone of any religion?
>>60016071 Christians were burning people alive 500 years ago. I know that seems like a berry berry long time when you're 15 years old...but its not. And guess what? In 500 years...Islam is going to be like Christianity, and some dumb fuck on Alien Internet is going to defend Islam saying:
>Islam hasn't been violent in 500 years! >Just accept Islam as peaceful!
>>60015610 >not entirely based of oppression and fear >not entirely There will always be a self interested few that only respond to threats. It is the nature of the narcissist to fear only individual punishment. For, to them, all that exists, all that is divine, is the self. The affects of their actions on society are irrelevant.
Our history courses largely ignore history of other parts of the world so our generation today grows up literally thinking that western civilization is the only one that had conquest and is under the impression that it was a dominant world power for more than a few hundred years.
>>60016258 Book burning is taught in the Bible. So I guess that makes your argument invalid or am I missing something? Are you beng hypocritical on purpose? You realize Christians, Jews and Muslims have a much longer history of burning books, right?
"A number who had practiced sorcery brought their scrolls together and burned them publicly. When they calculated the value of the scrolls, the total came to fifty thousand drachmas."
Go educate yourself in these topics before you type to me, boy.
>>60016259 hurr durr they did it longer so we iz ok!!!! ;) go kill yourself you deflecting little queer.
>>60015440 >Only when intelligent people, such as yourself, are either so mentally ill or so lazy that they can't be motivated to make a change in the world. Trump, Obama, Sanders and all the rest were once nobodies just like you. Difference is, they did something. Also testosterone. Get some.
What have you done with your life fucking NEET, you live on your mum's basement 100% sure of it.
Note that a drachma was about a day's wages. That means that the given value of the trash was about the same as 1 man's wages for 137 years. Or 10 men's wages for almost 14 years.
>>60016405 why are you asking me that and not yourself? If I tell you my accomplishments, you will say I am arrogant. If I do not tell you, you will say what? Go ask yourself that question right after you build my wall.
then you're biased. Islam is nothing more than a mixture of Judaism and Christianity. Throw in some Iranian Paganism and voila! Islam. The shit in the Quran is the same shit in the Bible. As for today's Christians...they dont NEED to behead people. They are in our Government. They make laws based in their beliefs rather than what is good for the people. You dont NEED to conquer a nation when you can just manipulate its laws to benefit your own class of people. Do you really need examples of this? So dont tell me Christians are better than Muslims - theyre just more devious and crafty.
>>60016765 >They take a far more orthodox interpretation of their scriptures and their book doesn't have a new testament that espouses peace and love.
First, I'll repeat myself: Christians don't behead people because they don't have to. They infiltrate politics and makes reflect the Laws of their religion. That doesn't make them better than Muslims - its makes them more sneaky and dangerous.
As for peace and love, dont. Because I'll prove you wrong using the New Testament, and I think you already know that your claim is bogus so..dont waste my time.
>>60016806 >just that one side has done more than the other
Youre literally saying: "I dont care if Christians take over the world by injecting their religion into politics, as long as I dont have to see it!" You think ISIS is worse because you see their brutality. You dont see the brutality of Christianity.
>>60016914 >Islam is a set of war doctrines and regulations for conquest and conversion.
So is Christianity.
>Go forth and covert all Nations >When you go into a city and they reject your message, leave them. For the wrath of the Lord shall befall them
>So there are no Islamic governments is what you're saying? There isn't a large portion of the world where Islam doesn't prevail? You realize how stupid this sounds right?
Who said there are no Islamic governments? Youre deflecting. Id rather you acknowledge the fact that Christians DO infiltrate politics in America to push their own evil agenda. Why cant you just say, "Yup. Thats true." I know Muslims do the same...so why dont you? >Except for that Western nations laws are defined by secularism and not by religion while in the Middle East its the other way around. Then explain why fags cant marry...I'll wait
I wish we did. We should have every right to treat Muslims in our country how they treat Christians and atheists in theirs.
Islam has tried to conquer the world enough times its entirely justifiable to not want little jihadis in your country.
If not for the likes of Martel, Charlemagne, the Reconquista, or the Great Turkish War then we all may have had been living in an Islamic nation today. There's no reason whatsoever for westerners to trust Muslims when they've been trying to subjugate us for over a thousand years.
>>60017046 Well first off bud We're talking about Europe during the time of the crusades, if you want to talk about Isis then make a different thread. Mudslimes now a days are shit compared to christians
>>60016897 But the claim that he was making that Christians weren't advancing anything still isn't challenged by your wiki link. At best they preserved knowledge( which they had a hand in the decline of neo-Platonism via the murder of Hypatia and also the decline of the Library of Alexanderia)
>>60017177 Well the knowledge wouldn't be here if no one took the time to preserve it. I don't feel like looking up a list of Christian inventors but you have to realize that atheism wasn't a thing in the rennisance. Even people who got killed for science were rationalizing it in the name of God. Part of what happened was people thought they knew more about God than the religious authority and bam Christianity splintered and along came scientific Christians
>>60017222 Yeah the sword he brought to bring down the Romans through violence... you're literally and idiot look at the beginnings of Christian religion and how they were persecuted by the Roman state for their belief. They never advocated violence during that time despite the apparent violence in the new testament.
>>60017428 Christian martyr is a person who is killed for following Jesus. In early church years, this often occurred through stoning, crucifixion, burning at the stake or other forms of torture and capital punishment. The word "martyr" comes from the Greek word μάρτυς, mártys, which means "witness."
>>60017367 Christian inventors didn't invent shit due to their faith. Newton or Leibniz didn't discover calculus and all the other stuff coz of their faith, one was a secret heretic and the other a deist.
The whole point I am trying to concise with that anon, that Christianity doesnt have a part to play in Europe's progress, it was at best along for the ride. The real engine behind the progress was western philosophy and it's 'Faustian' spirit
>>60017475 Well I don't see any evidence of Christians conquering the world fiendo. There are also many different types of Christians so it's not very easy for them to work together. I can point out islamic people preaching to conquer the world tho and not just fringe crazy people.
>>60017548 first, the term applied to Apostles. Once Christians started to undergo persecution, the term came to be applied to those who suffered hardships for their faith. Finally, it was restricted to those who had been killed for their faith. The early Christian period before Constantine I was the "Age of martyrs". Early Christians venerated martyrs as powerful intercessors, and their utterances were treasured as inspired by the Holy Spirit."
>You ignore the quotes I gave you from the Bible which instructs Christians to conquer the world by converting "all nations.
Christians don't have a large following advocating for holy-war. You know this. Go fuck your sister, fucking retard.
>Why is same-sex marriage banned in these 13 states if not because of Christians manipulating politics?
Democracy is down to the values of majority, so hey, maybe things will change. If you think not being able to get married is oppression you should try getting gay married in Saudi Arabia and see what happens you stupid cunt.
>When you think the serpent is peaceful, thats when you get its fangs.
Which is why we need to keep Islam as far away from Western civilization as possible. We have to live with Christianity, it's a part of our history and culture. It's impossible to know western history without context in Christianity. It is of no threat to us, so there's not much reason to reject it so vehemently when it poses little threat.
Islam is the great threat which must be combated, and this is where my resources are allocated.
>^ How Christanity conquered Europe
I know my history better than you do, kid. No need to try and convince me of anything.
If it weren't for Christianity there'd have been no unifying force to stop the conquest of Islam. We would all be Muslim today.
So yes I am glad that everybody at least shared that much to keep that shit the fuck out. Any argument other than complete agreement is a testament that you wouldn't mind living in an Islamic government, in which case, get the FUCK out you piece of shit.
>>60017575 Yeah I don't think it has to play a part either but it's not like Christianity has stopped scientific progress. All the Christians countries actually helped progress. It's more of a way of life than anything. Many people like being christian and Christians are not incredibly violent since the middle ages. Also Christians have morals that are the basis of many western countries, or at least they used to be.
>>60017664 That quote is from Jesus, cunt. Jesus said that he did not come here to bring world peace, but to cause division or war. Fucking educate yourself.
>>60017670 >Ottomans Christians fighting Muslims. Jew fight Jews.
>>60017699 >Christians don't have a large following advocating for holy-war BUT their messiah taught Holy War as I just showed. So, those who do NOT believe in this, are cherry-picking which teachings from Jesus they follow, arent they? And does that not mean...that in order for Christianity to be acceptable in an enlightened, modern society....Christians have to ignore entire tenets of their faith? In order for Christianity to make any sense...you have to NOT practice parts of Christians LOLOL
>Democracy is down to the values of majority, so hey, maybe things will change. If you think not being able to get married is oppression you should try getting gay married in Saudi Arabia and see what happens you stupid cunt. Way to avoid answering my question. I asked why gay marriage was banned in america, and is still banned in many states, if not for Christians manipulating politics? Thats my question.
So in your opinion, the suppression of knowledge throughout Islams history has nothing to do with religion either?
It's funny how Muslims on one hand pride themselves on the intellectual achievements of Persians who would have discovered them anyway, which Islam had no effect in creating, yet will pretend as if Christianity in governance did nothing at all to aid its own achievements and can't call those times a golden age.
>>60017788 Jesus is only written about by other people and certain writings were excluded from the Catholic version of the bible which is the one I am familiar with because they were not "inspired by the Holy spirit" your quotes are probably from the one where Jesus is pushing kids off of roofs because they upset him and then resurrecting them just cuz.
>>60017912 >I have not come to bring peace but a sword (war) War requires warriors. Who would be the warriors for Christ I wonder? I mean, you realize that was the justification for the Crusades right? Idiot. Im not here to give history lessons.
Also...thats the second time you've avoided just answering my question :) I accept your defeat.
>>60017976 >i dont like the quotes you gave so they must not be from jesus really!!!!!1
I accept your defeat.
>>60017996 We were like the Middle East today. Before people took the power away from the Church, it was the "DARK AGES." Theres a reason why the time during Christianity's rule is referred to as the "DARK AGES." But im not here to give 16 yr olds history lessons. If you can't contribute to the thread fuck off.
>>60017775 I agree that Christianity mellowed down after the fall of Rome, but I am just so tired of /pol/fags championing Christianity as the best thing that ever happened to Europe when the only real thing seperating it from other culture is its western philosophy and Socratic search for the truth
>>60017809 Oh don't get me wrong, Islam is better than Christianity in fucking shit up. But christfags can't claim to have the moral high ground in this aspect since Christianity didn't do jack shit, good or bad. If anything Christianity became what is today coz it is was the most pagan of the Abrahamic faiths
>>60018048 >hurrrr I bet you support human experimentation...even tho that was never brought up once and Im just pulling it out of thin air because I have nothing and your theological beating has made me embarassed
>>60018046 Holy lel, you probably don't know about all the different versions and translations of bibles there are do you? The problem with athiests if they never educate themselves about the religions they hate.
>>60018181 >Middle East is STILL in the Dark Ages. The Middle Easy is ruled by an Abrahamic religion. The West is not - we are not entirely ruled by an Abrahamic religion (Christianity), however, it will come to that if you consider our laws are already being dictated according to the teachings of the Bible. If you disagree...please explain why gay marriage was and is still banned in many states if not for Christians manipulating our laws. And...go!
>>60018283 >According to Jesus, who even goes on to explain how the sword is to be interpreted. >You know, the parts you willfully omitted.
Heres the entirety of the verse. Please show us all where Jesus says anything about symbolic :) Thanks.
>>60018294 Of course they wouldnt because the Church no longer has power. It wasnt long ago, when the Church WAS in power, that priests did teach this. Fuck...POPES taught it you uneducated twat. How can you be so ill-informed on this topic and yet have so many opinions?
34"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35"For I came to SET A MAN AGAINST HIS FATHER, AND A DAUGHTER AGAINST HER MOTHER, AND A DAUGHTER-IN-LAW AGAINST HER MOTHER-IN-LAW;…
>The West is not - we are not entirely ruled by an Abrahamic religion (Christianity)
Because the Papacy and the church are not evil like Muslims collectively are.
If Christianity is inherently as bad as Islam, the governments never would have allowed secularism and we would still be very much like the Middle East due to these policies. You can't deny this, because you know I'm right. You dance around it, but we continually stay pinpointed on this factual truth.
>please explain why gay marriage was and is still banned in many states if not for Christians manipulating our laws.
34"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35"For I came to SET A MAN AGAINST HIS FATHER, AND A DAUGHTER AGAINST HER MOTHER, AND A DAUGHTER-IN-LAW AGAINST HER MOTHER-IN-LAW
>>60018383 >I'm atheist and I don't believe in gay marriage.
That doesnt answer what I asked. You ask questions, I answer them without deflecting. If you cant do the same, piss off. Im an adult man and have no interest in immature nonsense. Have the balls to at least answer something directly.
>34"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35"For I came to SET A MAN AGAINST HIS FATHER, AND A DAUGHTER AGAINST HER MOTHER, AND A DAUGHTER-IN-LAW AGAINST HER MOTHER-IN-LAW;…
So is he saying the sword is to kill your father?
Or is the sword a division between family that might be caused due to love of God?
Hmmm. This is a tough one anon, I'm sure there are some intelligent people out there who might be able to read context clearly.
The difference in these images is merely that the first explains the context for calling the first Crusade to arms and the second is the botched, moronic military campaign that it was. It was peasants trying to kill Muslims and in the process did exactly what the Muslims had been doing to them for 500 years. The muslims seized Jerusalem only 15 years after the founding of Islam. It remains as it always as: a geopolitical model for statehood under the guise of a sham religion whose main forms of proliferation are violence and suppression. Source: read the Qur'an and Ibn Ishaq's canonical biography of Muhammad. This should be required reading for any libfag who doesn't think Islam at least has the potential for inciting violent extremism.
It does though. You don't have to be religious to not agree with homosexuality. It's not as if we cut their hands off for it.
>Have the balls to at least answer something directly.
Have the balls to admit that I've been right all throughout this discussion. You've entirely dropped any contention that Christianity is as bad as Islam, considering you've been so hilariously and entirely annihilated on that front.
So at least have the spine to admit that you were wrong in asserting it is.
>>60018479 you cant use one verse to disprove another. if you do that, it merely debunks the bible, because youre quite literally disproving what it teaches with what it teaches.
Nice try tho.
>>60018531 I didnt ask if you agree or disagree with homosexuality. I asked, and this is the last time I'll ask:
why was gay marriage legally banned in America, and still is in several state, if not solely because Christian manipulate America politics to fit their own religious agenda? What is the other explanation for this?
Answer that simply and directly or piss off bro. Im too old for kiddie pool shit.
>>60018373 We can all agree Christians have been violent but you're all like "they're just the same as muslims" and you're just plain wrong. Answer me honestly: ever read the catholic new testament? It's a book and you can cherry pick lines too but I've got a more complete understanding than you do, dickcheese.
>>60018592 YOU DONT HAVE TO CONQUER A COUNTRY WITH VIOLENCE IF YOU INFITLRATE THEIR BODIES OF POLITICS. IF CHRISTIANS ARE MAKING LAWS BASED IN THEIR RELIGION...LIKE NOT ALLOWING FAGS TO MARRY...THEN THEY HAVE MORE CONTROL OVER THE COUNTRY THAN THEY WOULD IF THEY TRIED TO CONQUER IT WITH VIOLENCE.
SORRY FOR THE CAPS IM JUST TOO LAZY TO RE-TYPE THAT SHIT.
GOD DAMN YOU'RE RETARDED IF YOU DONT UNDERSTAND THIS YET. BUT IM OVER HERE LIKE LOL
>why was gay marriage legally banned in America, and still is in several state, if not solely because Christian manipulate America politics to fit their own religious agenda? What is the other explanation for this?
Again, since you're so clearly retarded, you don't have to be religious to not agree with homosexuality. You have no proof that Christianity was the reason behind gay marriage being banned, but even if it were; is this somehow parallel to throwing gays off roofs in the middle east?
You are so short of arguments you might as well just kill yourself. You're backed into a corner with nowhere left to go. You might want to find some other desperate straw to clutch before the sanctuary of your own ignorance collapses out from underneath you.
Debating you has been like boxing a small child. 2ez
>>60015035 No you gtfo go back to your tumblr/Reddit hug box and leave us the fuck alone. We get bombarded with this SJW bullshit everyday, you coming here and spouting off more of that bullshit isn't going to turn any one around to fight for your cause. Your trash and on the day of the rope your body will be burned with the rest of the faggots, kikes, mudslimes, and niggers.
>>60016607 >then you're biased. Islam is nothing more than a mixture of Judaism and Christianity. Throw in some Iranian Paganism and voila! Islam. The shit in the Quran is the same shit in the Bible. As for today's Christians...they dont NEED to behead people. They are in our Government. They make laws based in their beliefs rather than what is good for the people. You dont NEED to conquer a nation when you can just manipulate its laws to benefit your own class of people. Do you really need examples of this? So dont tell me Christians are better than Muslims - theyre just more devious and crafty.
This! In the good times before Christianity established it self as a political state here, burning all hofs, making trælls out of people both by church and the new christian-roman court we still have to day....
In the old court systems, if a new law was to be introduced ALL had to agree. And it was meant as a mean to resolve conflicts between parts, not to just jew money out trælls that did not adhere to the laws, now formed by the church and state. IE a king could not just make a law, it had be approved by all people on the annual thing.
The lullest is when people today is saying that shitslam is not just a religion, but a political system. look in the mirror christians, and read yer history. Get the state the hell out of my country.
I apologize for the ignorance of our unruly blacks, dad. But lets be real, we both should have done what the arabs did and cut their dicks off before they came over here so these people would be non-issue today.
the british royal family rules the world because they use people willing to fight for them, why would anyone fight for people other than themselves? if i'm to protect my country i'll do it on my own soil. seriously if the whole world came together and took out the royal cucks and redistributed the wealth we usher in a golden age. we teach the darker skinned people to farm for us and we'll make technology, segregate but also help one another, sounds like an easily achievable balance of humankind.
>>60019466 Well your argument is moot the evangelical Christians don't control the US and live acording to the laws of the land. If the majority here were any one religion of it would be reflected in our politics but the country made laws to separate church and state
Well I'd think the religious were a majority even when our laws were made. I don't think it's about majority rule in religion so much as majority agreement on objective morality, so.thing Muslim's are intellectually incapable of conceiving.
>>60018912 >I don't care what anyone believes in, permitted their beliefs do not dictate what I am legally allowed and not allowed to do
Exactly! People don't get how fucking enslaved we are by this in most countries. You are by far better of than us though(many fled to vestheim as you are aware of) The foul stench of Christian fundamentalism and it's intolerance, punishments are still the rot of the state. The politicians & bigcorps are the new nobility, and the once free people are all trælls (slaves*)
>>60014414 People on /pol/ only care about the pass to bolster their self fellating "muh heritage" crap, not like they actually have any appreciation, just need ammo to feel like less of a subhuman by latching onto things they never accomplished.
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