Is the Trump support here a piece of brilliant hivemind satire, or are you all genuinely convinced he will be elected?
After being a b/tard for a few years, I only came to /pol/ a few months ago because you could actually have a decent conversation of reasonable length. My first impression of the pro-Trump posts was that it was instinctive contrarianism, a useful response to the delusional Bernie supporters and the unscrupulous Hillary supporters.
But things have just gotten too real lately. I found myself shitposting after the last Republican debate about how glorious (and cartoonish) Trump was vs how pathetic Bush looked. It's fun. It's chaotic.
When Bush called Trump a "chaos candidate" I knew exactly what he was talking about. He is absolutely right. But I think chaos is what the American electoral system needs. We need a slightly out of control shit-show. We need something anti-establishment. Something the corporate media can't easily predict for the next eleven months. If I were an American I would openly vote for Rand, but probably secretly vote for Trump just out of morbid curiosity.
I consider myself quite nihilistic and I think the Trump support in this relatively small corner of the internet is amusing.
AM I COMPLETELY OFF-BASE??
Yes, Trump is very likely going to be elected. He's dominating the Republican primaries, and the only two Democrat candidates are both easy pickings for his style of campaigning.
Hillary has so many skeletons in the closet and so much controversy buried that Trump only has to play dirty finger and drag them up into the light.
Bernie is basically the Jeb Bush of the left. He's low energy and submissive and when it comes to any form of debate Trump's energy and aggressive style will simply dominate him.
you are a nilhist because you have given up on hope
trump is the new hope and me personally i support him 100% unironically,deliver us from degeneracy donald!!!
>convinced he will be elected
I'm not convinced of anything right now.
>After being a /b/tard I came to /pol/ a few months ago
Shut the fuck up, lurk more and stop thinking you're hot shit for finally graduating from retard and porn central.
Trump is a beacon of change in this country, whether or not he's holding the pitchfork or at the end of it. He speaks genuinely about his love for the country and him not being beholden to any outside sources is all the more enticing. I don't necessarily agree 100% with his policies and views but he has not made me think he would not take the advice of his advisers lightly. He's a smart man who built a huge company who respects the opinions of those he has around him.
Like I said previously, either he literally makes the country great again, or he will be the catalyst for the "revolution" to make the country great again.
I don't want to give the wrong impression. I love the Trump support. I think it's hilarious how much influence the internet has in his success. But I am like 95% certain that he will not be elected.
Hillary has tons of skeletons and she's had them for years...but they've never held her back. She's one of the most successful political figures of the baby-boomer generation (which may be a point against her). She knows how to deal with the media. She knows how to crack one-liners just like Trump.
I know Democrats talk a big game when it comes to principles ("If Bernie's not the candidate, I'll vote third party), but I'm convinced most of them will settle for Hillary because the idea of Trump being president is so repulsive to them that they will feel they have no choice.
>Hillary has tons of skeletons and she's had them for years...but they've never held her back.
Because nobody has ever gone after Hillary in the vicious way that Trump will. Trump won't let the American people forget about her skeletons. He will talk about them every single day until the election. Hillary will constantly be playing defense and trying to explain away her many scandals. It's going to be devastating to her campaign.
>Shut the fuck up, lurk more
I only mentioned that because it's hard to decipher what's a joke on /b/, On /pol/ the opinion is so pervasive that I'm questioning what's really happening.
>Trump is a beacon of change in this country, whether or not he's holding the pitchfork or at the end of it. He speaks genuinely about his love for the country and him not being beholden to any outside sources is all the more enticing. I don't necessarily agree 100% with his policies and views but he has not made me think he would not take the advice of his advisers lightly. He's a smart man who built a huge company who respects the opinions of those he has around him.
>Like I said previously, either he literally makes the country great again, or he will be the catalyst for the "revolution" to make the country great again.
That's a fair point of view. His anti-establishment position is the most endearing thing about him.
I'm just concerned that America is moving from puppet show to circus with how easily people are satisfied with his rhetoric. Don't kid yourself, he's not the first guy to make general, wide-reaching promises that everyone secretly knows are impractical. And just like the college kids who saw how dramatically Obama became an establishment shill, I think Trump supporters would, in the very best scenario, see the same thing happen to Trump.
the thing that sucks is that the democrats will get behind Bill's cuck wife, while the GOP is going to back some douche while Trump runs independent. Meaning Hillary wins almost automatically.
>And just like the college kids who saw how dramatically Obama became an establishment shill, I think Trump supporters would, in the very best scenario, see the same thing happen to Trump.
That's where I disagree. Trump will not fall in line because, at the end of the day, it hurts his bottom line. He's predictable. I understand there are presidential secrets you learn the day you swear in but I do not fear he will back down from his views, and if he has to it will be a compromise and not a full retraction. He has inspired confidence in the voters, something that hasn't necessarily been present in the last two cycles, especially for the Republicans. Hell, I wasn't Republican until he announced his campaign.
You think there aren't literally thousands of highly influential political players who absolutely loathe Hillary Clinton? Her and Bill are among the most hated politicians in recent memory. The Republican party of the 1990s actually managed to shore up enough support for the impeachment of the president. (For the record, it was only the second impeachment in the history of the country). They hinged their impeachment proceedings on him lying about the blowjob. Except that there were Republcans (some of whom are still in office) who thought the perjury claim was small beans compared to allegations of election fraud and corruption.
And what did the media talk about? What does everyone remember about the Clinton impeachment? Lewinsky. That's about it.
So keep that in mind when people are bringing up "treason" charges against former-first lady, former senator, former secretary of state Hillary Clinton.
A candidate with no positions doesn't have voters. Which of his positions draws voters to him?
I can't see Trump running independent. I would guess his advisors are hedging on a VP position if he's not the nominee.
Just thinking about it, I think Trump would make a great VP. He has a personality, he has opinions...
Not nervous at all. Like I said, the nihilist side of me is enjoying the ride. I'm just concerned that the support of Trump isn't intellectually consistent because he makes use of cliche and catchphrase just as much as the establishment shills do.
>My first impression of the pro-Trump posts was that it was instinctive contrarianism
BUILD WALL was pure and concentrated shitposting. But then it continued, and Trump made it clear that he was serious about running. And that's when I fell in love with him.
Quit being nihilistic. Nobody likes those people. The memes are the result of his inspiration. Yes, there are some hot memers out there but the majority of Trump supporters on /pol/ are quite well informed of his views. The memes are simply easy ways of voicing support.
Fair enough. But secretary of state is like the third most influential position in US government.
I can appreciate that. But really, which of his opinions do you really support?
its never about who will be elected its about what people want. is it so hard to believe that some people want different things and trump represents the anti establishment vote and the uphold pre existing federal laws on immigration vote and the desire to refuse to be a part of germanys faggotry all in 1
some will want hillary or sanders but not every one believe they will be able to get free college or double capital gains tax to put trans female latino muslims through college (thats 1 fictitious group not multiple mind you)
That's a very good point, that one doesn't have to believe in the retarded promises to support the candidate.
I'm still baffled by how people are falling for his ridiculous rhetoric about buildings walls and killing relatives of terrorists. It's big talk but it feels satirical.
>Which of his opinions do you really support?
Strengthening borders. This is something we've lacked that we need to enforce. We're not a welfare country.
Deporting illegals. This would cut down on the cost of welfare and would literally benefit everyone.
Building the wall itself would create tons of jobs and provide experience to many citizens who lack it in a job market requiring experience.
He's 100% correct in addressing the Internet recruitment of ISIS radicals. As well as completely blocking muslims. Islam is NOT a religion as it currently stands, it is a political ideology.
I am 100% behind his plan to bring manufacturing back to America. That is literally what will jumpstart the economy and get retards to stop thinking we're in recession and being afraid to spend. As well, it provides greater spending power to workers, and greater investment opportunities to big name companies.
I'm sure I agree with more but that's all I can come up with on the spot as I'm drinking.
>pretend for a moment that I'm me and you are the establishment
>we are playing checkers, you are winning for the hundredth time
>suddenly I flip the board and call your mother a cunt
That is why I'm voting for trump. Because your mother is a cunt.
I'm not even american but I want Trump to win, I think you guys have wasted enough money going to war that now your economy is ruined, so much money was printed to sponsor invasion of the middle east that now the regular folk has no way to compete in the global market against huge multinationals controlled by the Jews
If Trump really means to make America great, I think he's just the right guy to do so. He seems to me more like a business man than a politician, he's exactly the kind of asshole that you would want to hire to make a company duplicate its earnings.
Of course there's also the chance that after he becomes president he will just do the same kind of shit bush and obama did, but i can only hope he won't
I said this previously, Trump will either lead the charge for positive change or be the catalyst forcing the American populace to revolt and cause change themselves. He's win-win.
Same flag as the guy you're replying to, but not him.
How would deporting illegals benefit the economy? I agree 100% with deporting illegals from a moral standpoint, but I don't see an economic benefit. Maybe I'm wrong about America, but don't you have to prove that you're a citizen to receive welfare?
How is he practically going to do this? Military? Militiamen? The wall?
Again, I support this. But how will is be carried out practically? By using those unconstitutional immigration checkpoints that have worked so well and not alienated US citizens who happen to live near the border?
>Building the wall.
Get the fuck out of here. How does he plan on carrying this out, practically? When does a wall become more effective than a fence?
>Internet recruitment by Isis
The only proposal I've heard from him regarding this involved undermining a large portion of the bill of rights. He's unconstitutional in his strategies.
Every politician in history has invoked this as an overarching goal. What is his strategy and how is it different from the other candidate?
>...as I'm drinking
Me too. I don't want to sound combative. I'm genuinely curious.
That's an analogy that speaks to me. This is why I think Bush was right to call him a "chaos candidate."
Libfags often say that Trump supporters are delusional about his chances of his success, when literally all information points to the opposite.
Here is a list of unfortunate facts:
>Bernie is not going to get the nomination because Hillary is the DNC's pick and Bernie is basically just there to give people the illusion of choice
>Trump is going to absolutely annihilate Hillary in the debates
>Trump will cakewalk to the White House when more of her scandals keep pouring out
The man is quite possibly a genius.
He's rewritten the rules of the political game.
Just when the media thinks they've stumped him, he's 12 moves ahead. They will never learn.
He's probably using some psychological warfare tactics that don't even have names yet.
To see he's invincible probably isn't too much of a stretch. The only thing that can stop him by this point is a bullet.
And it's so ludicrous to suggest that Bernie can compete with the alpha behemoth that is Trump, that I'm not even going to entertain that possibility.
The man can't even run his own rally. He can't run the most powerful nation in the world.
Trump is going to be the next President. Find a way to deal with it.
What's with all these retards in this thread claiming OP hates trump? Can you guys not engage in a debate without calling the other a hater? I feel like I'm in a thread of feminists or something, jesus christ
Bernie supporter here
I really will vote third party (socialist) if Shillary wins the primary. It's not a joke. I voted for a black woman communist in 2012 instead of Obongo. Fuck the democrats, seriously.
10 years from now, win or lose, they're going to be talking about the "Trump Effect" where someone says unpopular stuff and that paradoxically gives them the spotlight and makes them more popular. He has permanently embeded himself in America's collective culture in a way no one has before. He is the absolute antithesis of PC culture. There has never been a man like him before and there will never be a man like him after.
I've seen what happens when you have a soft, weak-willed bowl of mush lead a country for 8 years. Obama and the Democrats did roughly fuck all beyond pass a Healthcare bill that was mostly the result of heavily Republican influences. Oh, that and, you know, ripping away every one of your privates.
>I only came to /pol/ a few months ago because you could actually have a decent conversation
Aside from apparently ignoring Trump's poll numbers, this statement was my first indication that you were, in fact, retarded.
>secretly vote for Trump
>I consider myself quite nihilistic
And this was further confirmation that you are, in fact, a faggot.
Nigger do you know how to read? I didn't claim that illegals should be eligible to collect welfare (they absolutely shouldn't), but I'm asking if illegals even get welfare to begin with? I thought you had to be a citizen to apply
>but they've never held her back
Held her back from what?
She failed at her last bid to be president and the only other thing she's been is the first dickhole and secretary of state.
Which are both appointed positions.
Strengthening borders refers to the wall as well as muslim ban. Foreign immigrants have no natural right to live in America.
Deporting illegals refers to crime statistics where illegals are placed in American prisons rather than deported. His plan is to deport all imprisoned illegals and deport any future arrested illegals.
A wall becomes effective when it becomes impenetrable, either by being too deep to dig under or too tall to drive a car with a ramp next to, which is actually happening. Look at Israel, their wall is rather effective.
Internet recruitment by ISIS is another thing blown up by the Internet in an attempt to make him look stupid. Yes, he doesn't quite grasp it, but if he was told to cut the lines in Syria to stop ISIS access to the Internet I'd be all for it. It's an unbelievably large source of their recruitment and it's stupid to ignore.
The wall plan is a 5-year plan IIRC, hence securing hundreds of trade jobs over 5 years. 5 years of experience for anyone involved would literally help everyone involved as well as incentivize trades, which are being engulfed by idiots thinking STEM is the only way to success these days.
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I can't confirm they do, but I know for a fact they're draining resources by residing in prisons. As well I'm sure there are plenty receiving welfare benefits from false identities.
he points at the elephants in the room and isnt scared of making enemies by being willing to tackle american problems
border jumpers..chinese are sucking up the labour market...pc culture is killing the west..gungrabbers and their bullshit..and the thing i respect the most he is honest and isnt delicate with it
a usa under trump if they invaded the uk i would welcome our new overlords on the beach with a cup of tea...
he is more honest than most of our mps combined
She's experienced in reading from a teleprompter.
She's experienced in lying.
In debating? Not so much.
Facing an opponent like Trump is pretty much her worst nightmare.
If she was up against a lightweight like sweaty Rubio or Guac Man then yeah, she would probably win with ease.
But Trump is a different beast.
He doesn't have to play by a politicians' rules. He can just walk on stage and say "Why aren't you jail yet?" and get some laughs from the audience. Then that's it. Hillary's entire campaign is over with one sentence.
hillary umms and awwws at trial..and that is in a respectful court setting
trump will not be so kind..he will be smiling while he exposes the cemetery in her closet
to some a world where trump is made prez is scary...but the only thing scarier is a world where he doesnt win
Now I know you are a retard.
Have you ever been involved in a corporate board election?
Politics like that are where Trump has been learning to master the game.
She is one of the most successful political figures of this generation. She lost 2008 to a fellow Democrat.
>Jeb and Hillary
>comparable levels of experience.
I'm afraid not.
>isn't scared of making enemies.
That might be his downfall. He might not recognize how thoroughly entrenched business interests are in the electoral process. And guess what? The situation is so fucked up that Hillary will be the medium through which the media works to destroy Trump.
trump doesnt debate politicians he debates with world leaders and big business men and sometimes even countries
hillary is gonna get savaged and pol knows it
Big bad corporate board elections. How much influence does the media have over those? How much control does the media have over the narrative of those elections?
If the media turns on Trump, it's lights out.
The good thing about this is that the old media tactics that used to work aren't working with Trump. Unlike most politicians, he's able to dismiss criticism quite easily. Most others bend over and apologize.
>I consider myself quite nihilistic
i remember when i was in high school
>She is one of the most successful political figures of this generation
She's successful in that she gets away with being a criminal. What the fuck has she done to benefit anyone?
Yes, that could be very detrimental to the Democrats. But Trump has as big, or bigger, a problem in the Republican party. I'm convinced that there's a trigger that can be pulled that will flood one of the other candidates (Cruz, Rubio) with money and support just in time to snag the key state primaries.
approximately 30% of illegals are on welfare according to the government. they arent paying taxes in many cases and getting rid of the ones paying taxes and not on welfare opens up job opportunities for americans without jobs. they cant hide. the government knows who they are and where they sleep
5% of the population is about 15 mil people as per 2010 census data. obamas bull shit about it being a 1 mil for every 1% is a joke
anyways getting more legal citizens into jobs reduces those on government assisted living. since 1 parent may have a job and another might not or they have a kid without a job
the idea that the illegals jobs are secure because they are not paid minimum wage is a lie.
even in regards to agriculture where people would be paid on commission. how many bushels of blue berries you pick determines how much you make. averaged in most cases in states where 7-9 dollars a hours was minimum wage there wouldnt be a price increase. any one can do the job
finally any time they are paid under the table not only isnt it taxed but it does not factor into gdp growth in the corporate spending category
>She is one of the most successful political figures of this generation
>held no official position in Bill Clinton's government
>despite being a cheating and lying sack of shit, Bill Clinton is still more popular than she is
>she lost in 2008
>she only served one term as secretary of state because the world went to shit on her watch
It's getting harder and harder to give you the benefit of the doubt as to whether you're trolling when you say absolutely retarded shit like this.
>I'm convinced that there's a trigger that can be pulled that will flood one of the other candidates (Cruz, Rubio) with money and support just in time to snag the key state primaries.
Money doesn't work. If it did Jeb would not be at 2% after spending $100 million.
I'm not saying she's a good person, candidate, or in any way a positive influence on America. I'm saying she's successful as a politician. You can't deny that.
I really, really despise her and everything she represents. I've despised her since 2008 when I first got on the Ron Paul bandwagon.
So don't conflate what I'm saying.
i know a few like this...they are now tainted the disgusting degenerates
i know 1 old and ugly fat woman who has 1 half kike kid and 2 turk kids
and her ex who just left her was a nigerian...the SECOND and i shit you not m8 the SECOND his passport arrived after they got married he left with a bag when she was out at the shops
i saw it coming desu..told her recently everyone did.
she actually was surprised...stupid bitch!!!
helping her atm to trap him with the immigration team to get him deported..i want that nigger our of my country
Do you want to know what the worst part about you liberals is?
You complain that we're not open minded, yet when confronted with facts and hard truths (which multiple anons have done in this thread), you chose either to ignore it or deflect it.
This huge ideological flaw will be your downfall.
It's basically the equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and going nananana, then getting surprised on election night when Trump wins 80% of the popular vote.
I know the future.
Trump will be elected.
He will be our glorious leader.
He WILL make planet Earth great again.
I just think of Trump as a tactical genius. He has no real chance at winning a general election, but he's so thoroughly dominated the primaries that you have to be a retard not to concede his genius. Think of the Muslim things he's said - for any other candidate to attack him, they have to, inevitably, defend Muslims, which is something the base despises in their candidates.
im centre left...even i can see trump is right
bernies gimmiedats would be tempting..but vote not what is best for you but what is best for your country
>OP has spent multiple years on /b/ since 2008-2009
She lost in 2008 to a fellow Democrat, the golden boy of the media. What was her reward for losing? A reluctantly accepted position as secretary of state, one of the most powerful positions in government.
She resigned her post for the single purpose of running for president in 2016.
It seems like you're taking my calling her "successful" as a position of support for her. I don't like her. Never have. But her success and influence in American politics in unquestionable.
>Money doesn't work
What in the fuck are you talking about? Money obviously isn't the only ingredient but it's an absolute necessity this day and age. That's why I'm predicting a sudden surge from one of the other Republicans just as clutch states go to vote.
Don't underestimate the power of the Republican party to control its own affairs. They do not want to have to deal with Trump as the nominee.
>late at night, time for bed
>decide fuck it I'll check out one more trump thread
>see this buckshot question, come here to respond
>/pol/ard already did it on the first post
Proud of you guys
>Don't underestimate the power of the Republican party to control its own affairs.
If the people want Trump there is literally nothing they can do about it. The harder they shill against him the more people will vote for him. Trump will win so many states they won't even be able to broker the convention, and then all they can do is cry and hope some total loser like Huntsman runs third party, since all the other candidates will be sworn to support Trump.
if this is true; trumps tax plan is berry interdasting
i'd like to know where gov't will obtain capital
most of the other talking point policies are spun to extreme in order to begin negotiations
I want him as president because he has the power to kick the anthill and the recklessness to actually go through with it. I don't care who gets in, Sanders or Trump, so long as it's someone the mainstream media and bankers oppose.
I want to see someone get Kennedy'd.
Because the vast majority of Americans, or at least the ones that vote, do not share his views (or the views he purports to have, as I suspect it's all an act). You are delusional if you think otherwise.
>posting le 9gag comix
I don't think you've even started high school yet senpai.
You think the liberal potshots are an example of "the media turning on trump"? No, bud. It will get a lot stronger and lot more subtle. That's the key. What they're doing now is generic and obvious. It's preaching to the choir (young liberals who naively support Sanders). If Trump becomes the nominee, or even competes closely for the nomination, you're gonna see a different tone to the election. You're gonna see highly respected (maybe even non-political) people coming out against Trump, ridiculing him, putting him on the spot.
I have to disagree. The media isn't just a casual observer with a dog in the fight. They are the overseers of the spectacle. The owners of the media companies have tangible, wide-reaching financial interests that are jeopardized when someone who is un-bribable get elected. That's why most of the presidents of the last century or more have been blatantly bribable. That's why both parties are blatantly bribable.
>says the Canadian
m8, I live in one of the most liberal bluepilled states and I only know a handful of Bernie supporters, let alone NO Hillary supporters.
Everyone is for Trump.
Of course the media is going to say that the average American doesn't share his views.
It's damage control at its finest.
you are deluded if you think you know the mindset of most americans
i thought it was gonna be a total landslide here with labour in the last election..our libdem/tory coalition got replaced with a majority tory govt
you cant predict these things..and non voters are gonna vote just because trump is now tackling issues that concern them greatly
you know why the media do nothing but talk about trump and nothing else much? because they are scared
jeez over here other than hillary and trump NO OTHER candidates get mentioned..not even bernie...i dont even know what this cruz person or rubio looks like..or what side they are on they are that irrelevant.
Trump is a megalomaniac. He could not be controlled the way a politician is typically controlled. He would shift policy and be unpredictable.
But Hilary will win. It is a mathematical certainty based on demographics. White males almost entirely voted for Mitt back in 2008 and it didn't matter. Non-Whites, women, and faggots think the democrats are their Masters -
and they are the majority now.
Hilary was picked to be the President after Obama back in 2007. The best I'll say about her is that she is a pragmatist. She does not have a political philosophy or character, she is pure Machiavellian. Other world leaders will fear her more than they ever feared Bush Jr. She is the type of President that would order personal assassinations.
... in any event. My personal feelings are that the Federal Government has vastly exceeded its mandate. I believe my country is an oligarchy.
Vast majority you say?
Any proof of that?
Will it remain "vast" right up until the general election?
I'm 53 and have seen some crazy shit happen during election years.
Don't count on today being them same as 9-10 months from now.
Especially if ISIS manages to slip in another attack.
Bernie is a failure / cuck, Hillary is a complete criminal, and Trump... well Trump dominated all the republican professional republican politicians, now its just a matter of time before he dominates the left wing ones.
Unless all the polls are fake, I don't see how this man looses.
>You think the liberal potshots are an example of "the media turning on trump"? No, bud. It will get a lot stronger and lot more subtle. That's the key. What they're doing now is generic and obvious. It's preaching to the choir (young liberals who naively support Sanders). If Trump becomes the nominee, or even competes closely for the nomination, you're gonna see a different tone to the election. You're gonna see highly respected (maybe even non-political) people coming out against Trump, ridiculing him, putting him on the spot.
You're absolutely retarded. I'm not talking about liberals preaching at liberals. I'm talking about the so-called lions of the conservative movements screaming that the Republican party cannot support fascism. People like George Will, Rich Lowry, Charles Krauthammer, Bill Kristol, etc. Those attacks started a long time ago. You are dead wrong.
why won't canadians ever admit they're American?
*sigh* so you have never been party to the brutal way huge businesses take care of "business"?
Trust me, there are bodies buried so deep they will never be seen again.
Money + power = savageness which even ISIS would blanch at.
I felt the same back in 2012 when I saw all the pro-Romney threads OP. It was confusing because nothing had prepared me for it. I had no way of contextualising the extent and depth of the Reaction. But I have since understood it fully. We're not joking at all. We sincerely wish for the destruction of the liberal progressive order.
He loses by not being nominated and then running independent against both parties.
I think you are missing a key word here
Hillary is a professional politician.
Not only does America doesn't want another professional politician in the white house. But Trump, who used to be very close to the Clintons, will go after them in a way they simply can not prepare for.
Keep in mind this is the same man who wants to deport 11 million people, build the great wall of china in the US, bar Muslims from the US entirely... and his poll numbers keep going up when he does this.
When he takes off the gloves with Hillary, his poll numbers will fly over her in a spectacular way and they'll never know what hit them.
No one is in Trump's league, its really all what it boils down to.
>It is a mathematical certainty based on demographics
Stop buying into the liberal bullshit. Trump has even more support among women than men, and his ratings are higher in minority communities than among whites.
Even blacks aren't happy with how shitty a president Obama is, and they're damn sure not going to vote for an ugly old white bitch against a straight baller like Trump.
I told my shitty wife today I was voting for Trump. I was only sort of half joking. She got all pissy and told me even if I was joking I should leave.
So now I'm getting a divorce and I'm voting for Trump.
I'm not a liberal. Not even close. I'm a libertarian at best but generally just pro-constitution.
I've never complained about being open minded. Never even made reference to it. The facts with which I've been confronted I've replied to with questions of practicality. I've asked how he plans to implement the wall, deporting illegals, banning Muslims, undermining the constitution, etc. And I've been met with this:
A reiteration of the facts but no further elaboration on the practicality of it.
And no acknowledgement of how unconstitutional some of his proposals are.
>if the people want Trump there is literally nothing they can do about it.
That is one of the most naive statements about US politics I've ever heard. Now, it's not like the American people want something and the media and ruling parties prevent them from having it. No, that IS fairly impossible. What they do instead is convince the people that they DON'T want it. They shift the narrative, change the context, paint good things in a bad light. And the majority of American voters have enough on their plate to not recognize the subtle ways their opinions are being manipulated.
Probably not. But that's an argument that works for people like you and me. It doesn't work for establishment politicians, evangelicals, corporate leaders (who HAVE attended those meetings). Where you and I are repulsed by secret meetings and corporatism taking over the country, to most people that's a sign of stability and intelligence.
A sad state of affairs, indeed.
Everything you've suggested and more. We're all simply neurons playing our part.
Read Scott Adams' blogposts about Trump to understand why I think he'll win.
>And no acknowledgement of how unconstitutional some of his proposals are.
Not a single thing he's proposed is unconstitutional except for the revoking of birthright citizenship which is in contention.
being black is not enough to get their respect...being alpha and strong leader does..somert obama and hillary are not
nigz will see her as that bitch who stood by a guy who cheated on her..a weak lil bitch
Old news, kiwi.
Nobody liked romney. After paul the greater became irrelevant /pol/ kinda just got depressed.
That's not unconstitutional, it's just extremely callous and arguably inhumane. Definitely violates the geneva convention. But you should read the constitution, dude.
I'm pretty much completely onboard with Trump. I had heard some conservative talk radio show while outside and was interested in who was speaking,s o I found the station at home and began listening to them (Mark Levin and Michael Savsge). I eventually became interested in the election and came to /pol/ as I was already browsing 4chan and wanted to be kept up to date on everything. Never came to /pol/ until about July of last year. I feel like my eyes were completely opened coming here. To all the media corruption, to the logical contradictions in what liberals say, and both thanks to Trump and /pol/ I've learned to always look more deeply into a story before jumping into any conclusions. I also just love listening to Mr. Savage because he's fairly humorous and doesn't just stick to politics but I digress.
I had only started to question my support for Trump during the wave of crazy shit he started saying around November, with the retweet of that inaccurate black crime statistic and how he basically only responded by saying "it's was just a retweet guys!" But then he regained it after I realized that it will get people to look at and talk about the actual statistics and the issues blacks face with themselves when they realize it's too high still. I also became a more adamant supporter when he proposed the Muslim ban because I was just starting to realize how big radical Islam was becoming and I love the fact that Trump was the only candidate willing to give any sort of honest proposal. I've always been somewhat into politics and the world since I was a teen but never really dived into as much as I have with Trump, so I definitely owe a lot to him/ & the radio shows. I had kind of already knew I would participate in this election though due to feeling bad for what I said about Obama when I was in my HS economics class and my teacher wanted us to say who we would vote for if we were old enough to vote (basically said Obama because he "looked more sincere").
>What they do instead is convince the people that they DON'T want it.
And that's not happening, because the worse they try to paint Trump, the better people like him.
You really underestimate the severity and concentration of the media attacks on Trump already.
Even the National Post has been piling on the hit pieces, including Roger Cohen's "Literally Hitler" NYT article.
Nope, I talk with other leftists who feel largely the same way. Leftists hate Hillary too. She defended a rapist when she was a public defender, and laughed about the victim's misfortune on recorded audio. Her policies are also really fucking bad and she's a whore for Israel.
Probably not. Sadly we both started off as liberals but I've grown up and she hasn't.
>tfw my marriage is what finally redpilled me
>I realized that it will get people to look at and talk about the actual statistics
Bingo. I didn't get it until somebody told me about Cunningham's Law and I realized he'd just applied it perfectly.
It takes brass balls to carry something like that off though; I don't think anybody but Trump could have done it.
But with all the tough guy talk he's come out with that the majority of republicans and perhaps even a third of democrats approve of will put tremendous pressure on the republican party to push Cruz instead of Trump. If they think they'll lose by playing ball with Trump they may decide not to, no matter what the cost because there's talk of republicans never having an electible president again simply due to sheer numbers against the ideology now and growing each year.
Unfortunately canadians don't get taught about American colonial history or else they'll find out they're just Americans (it goes against they're narrative that they descended from Muslims and chinese railroad workers).
Please excuse this dumb canuck he is really clueless about what goes in the world outside his igloo
We seem to be in agreement...
I said the same thing in 2008 and 2012, the peak of my libertarian phase. I was sure that Americans were sick of being manipulated by international corporate interests. But I was wrong. Americans won't likely get sick of it because it represents stability to them. It represents relative prosperity. It represents the world they know and people in general are highly skeptical of fundamental changes.
That's why political strategies and media companies employ psychologists to shape their message.
As much as I admire Trump for his outspokenness and unapologetic dismissal of the media, I can't see any scenario in which he wins.
I could be singing a different tune in six months, but I don't think I will be.
I a couple years I'll probably be lamenting how the maverick Trump got shafted by the media, just like Ron Paul.
canadians are loyal to the uk and in some parts france
they do have close ties to the usa but its more out of being good neighbors than anything...otherwise they would of let themselves be annexed by now
>there's talk of republicans never having an electible president again simply due to sheer numbers against the ideology now and growing each year.
They don't fucking realize that if Trump loses they are done regardless. Whoever wins will pass some form of amnesty, and then all those new citizens will vote Democrat for the rest of their lives. That will be the straw that breaks the camel's back.
Other than photoshop Trump's face on to fat people's ass folds, I don't really know what else the media could do to denigrate the man.
Also, you have to realize the American people are fed up with the media. We really hate those mother fuckers.
Bill Clinton supporters, Obama supporters, Romney supporters, George Bush Jr. supporters, all listened to what the media said in order to educate themselves and make informed voting decisions.
Not one of those fuckers delivered on anything they said they were going to do, and the "media" was there the whole way to swoon over their "Rock Star" personality.
Remember when everyone in the media, including Republicans, called Obama a "Rock Star" candidate?
We're sick of the bull shit, give us a man who has to exist in the reality of running a real company, having to manage a real budget, and has actually done a god damn good job of it.
As far as Hillary having more experience than Trump in "politics", Trump has been in "the media" since his mid 20's, he's been buying politicians since his mid 30's. While he has largely been a behind the scenes operator for the last 30 years, he has been there, he knows all their dirty secrets, he knows how they work, and most of all.
He knows how to cut them down to size to make them do what he was paying them to do.
even here if you are illegal you dont have a national insurance number...and without one you cant claim any welfare
how the fuck do you not have that filtering system in burger land?
here they have to stay off the grid at all costs..work for cash in hand which is ALWAYS less than min wage
you telling me a border jumper can just walk straight to your welfare place and ask for free shit?
dafuq america WHAT THE FUCK!! xD
>other presidents did it
>therefore not unconstitutional
You ever read about FDRs internment camps or Woodrow Wilson's sedition act? How about Bush Jr.'s torture or Obama drone strikes of American citizens without charge or trial?
Is that shit constitutional?
These types of things existed about Clinton in the 90s and Obama in the 2000s. They didn't prevent their loyalists from thrusting them into office.
I think a lot of you /pol/sters are gonna be very jaded with the way this election unfolds.
>I said the same thing in 2008 and 2012, the peak of my libertarian phase
Ron Paul was never in first, let alone lapping all his competitors, nor did his message appeal to the broad spectrum of voters that Trump's does.
Media & parties only crown presidents because they have the most power. Trump has already broken their backs and radically challenged their power and is rising. Things change, landscapes shift, power dynamics reverse, not everything stays the same. We have a billionaire in play who is kicking ass and taking names. Your picture of the world is too static and residually liberal. People will fall in line, they already are. The unthinkable is happening.
that is unconstitutional though...what i said IS and its in black and white in a clause of the ammendment.
to repel a ideology or people who seek to do you or your country harm IS justified
What's the problem?
That there is no god. That we're animals responding to external stimuli, reacting instinctively to protect ourselves and perpetuate the species. Politics is a great analogy for the laws of the jungle that dictated what we have become.
That has almost nothing to do with the current conversation.
good way to tell is check the times they are posting at..most people are at work in the day
if they are posting in the day and its not even a dinner break ie 12-1pm and they are shilling for bernie then id say they are dole heads
Every one of those things was unconstitutional because it was done to American citizens you moron, not to citizens of a foreign country when they aren't even in America.
And why the fuck are you so invested in convincing us we're going to be disappointed?
This concern trolling is getting pretty fucking obvious.
he sounds increasingly nervous m8
>you telling me a border jumper can just walk straight to your welfare place and ask for free shit?
Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying. Why? Because Democrats want more minorities and immigrants to shore up their voting bloc. They're losing more and more white votes and even with white population percentages declining, they'd lose every election for decades to come without adding new people.
Why are there still holdouts? Do anti-Trump people know how fun it is to be a Trump supporter? I haven't had this much fun following politics since.. ever. Never has politics been more fun. This is a blast. Everyday I laugh and giggle because I am on Team Trump. I feel like I'm part of a fun, patriotic community of brothers. We commiserate and we make fun of terrified liberals and confused kekservatives together. We play and we cheer and we watch with rapt anticipation for what Trump will say and do next. And most of all, we're filled with hope. Not cheap Obama hope, but actual "holy shit, this guy is completely different from anything we've ever seen and he might win" hope.
It's great. It's a rollercoaster of emotion and fun. And yet there's still this dour, unhappy crowd of wet blankets that refuse to join in on the fun, even though they're welcome to join us. It's crazy. Why choose to be a loser when you can be a winner?
I wish you were right and hope you are right. But my experience with American elections is that, after all the hype and all the polls, the dust settles and America settles for an establishment president. Every time. I'm resisting the Trump bandwagon because I don't want to be disappointed again.
Barring any catastrophic even (like an assassination or a 9/11-calibre terrorists attack on US soil) I can't fathom anything other than a Hillary Clinton victory in 2016.
Executing people not for committing a crime, but for being related to someone who has committed a crime, is certainly unconstitutional.
>otherwise they would of let themselves be annexed by now
Canada isn't a real country, nerd.
Canada declared confederacy only 3 months after the US purchased Alaska. This is not a coincidence. People stupidly buy into the narrative that a country hellbent on manifest destiny simply gave up on claiming the massive tracks of land between its mainland and it's largest state. The reality is that purchasing Alaska gave the US full ownership of Canada as well. The establishment of canada is, and has always been a farce to prevent people from realizing that the US is actually the largest country in the world and has secured a ridiculous amount of land and resources to be accessed at any time.
The sooner you realize this, the easier it will be for you to understand why the neighbor of the largest military nation in history is a pacifist.
disgusting tactic...destroy the country just to keep in power
with a cheap labour market they are putting real yanks out of work
i hate how the left portray themselves with a smug sense of virtue and righteousness while doing that shit
>only constitutional because done to Americans
Are you fucking serious? Do you actually believe that the values and guidelines set out in the bill of rights is exclusive of everyone except Americans??
>why are we going to be disappointed
Because this isn't my first election. I don't want y'all to get your hopes up. I said from the beginning that I like the support I'm seeing for Trump and I truly believe corners of the internet such as /pol/ are having a tangible effect on the election. But I think the establishment will pull through because they always do.
I wish I was wrong.
I know that feel brother.
I started grinning like a madman today when yet another article made me realize how scared liberals actually are of a Trump victory, and that they're starting to realize how much damage has already been done to their narrative.
I would agree with you if Ron Paul was polling at over 40% this late into the primaries.
Ron Paul was polling above Obama in a "national election", however he caped out at about 18% in the Republican Primaries while Mitt Romney was polling at 32%.
I think what you may be missing here is why Ron Paul clearly captured the national vote, he failed horribly at capturing the Republican vote. He was actually polling extremely high in deep blue states like California and NYC.
Trump is going to win the GOP nomination, there is no way he's going see 10-20 point dives this late in the race, literally no one in the history of the GOP has lost the republican primaries who have been leading at this stage.
So, great, he has to GOP vote... now what about making him nationally electable?
I think you are underestimating his long history of being extremely moderate and in the "common sense" zone when it comes to Left vs Right.
He's going to be going up against a pro-war, pro-tax the small guy, anti-tax the big guy, pro-export jobs, until very recently anti-gay, "liberal" Democrat.
The "Obama" base wanted the opposite of this, the liberal Democratic base wants the opposite of Hillary. Really on the points, liberal Democrats support Trump's policies and track records more than Hillary's.
She basically is going to have no base but her media defense force.
I don't see how she can win a general against a weak GOP candidate, never mind this legendary one.
>tfw conservative but don't really agree with any of trumps stances
>tfw support him anyway because it'd be the most fun thing that could happen
>tfw it's the ultimate meme
besides, theres no way he could be a worse president than sanders or Clinton.
but it does, it means you don't know shit and need to stop posting.
He said "go after".
As far as I know he has never explicitly said "kill" although he has (in fairness) STRONGLY implied that is what he means by allowing both reporters and the other candidates to talk to him as if that is what he meant.
I had the exact same sentiment in the last two elections. With every new political story...the latest potential "scandal," the latest buzzword about McCain-Palin, the latest catchphrase from the Obama campaign, I was certain that they would mean something to the election.
But what actually happened was that Democrats voted Democrat and Republicans voted Republican. Despite the desperate pleadings of the insufferable college kids pulling for Obama, and despite the declarations by "conservative advisors" that it would be a landslide victory for McCain/Romney/Whogivesafuck, everything ended up going incredibly normal. The hundred little tidbits against Obama were neutralized by the 103 little tidbits against McCain/Romney. What are you left with?
18 months of high ratings which amounted to little more than masturbation.
>Are you fucking serious? Do you actually believe that the values and guidelines set out in the bill of rights is exclusive of everyone except Americans??
Legally? You bet your ass.
The US Code is explicit.
>Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.
Non-citizen Muslims are a "class of aliens", therefore the President can suspend their entry for as long as he deems necessary.
Are you fukkin serious m8? Maybe on some government level, but any red blooded canadian would rather stick with the states than england, england is a fucking dump, france is 90% nigger, america is the last hope.
England is easily the shittiest euro country, im offended you think canadians are loyal to the UK, we have more in common with our american pants then you faggots, now brush your teeth and go to bed.
cheers for setting the record canada bro..i now declare this a commonwealth thread
Wow, that's a very useful counter argument. Never mind that Canada started off as an English colony (and French colonies, for that matter), not unlike the US. When the US was fighting the war of independence, the French supported them because it was essentially a proxy war against the British.
Now, the point you're making in that comic is equivalent to me saying that the French rescued America's ass in the war of independence because of their tangential support. Obviously a ridiculous point to make.
So, again, what does your bullshit have to do with the conversation at hand? About my honest inquiries about Trump supporters on /pol/?
I believe the moderator said "kill" when asking for clarification and Trump affirmed.
"I actually vote on principles and support a candidate who supports my ideas, rather than give into the false dichotomy of 'choice' presented by a system of lesser of two evils"
epic maymay bro
I'm talking about torture, imprisonment without charge or trial, and Trumps claim that we can kill relatives of terrorists.
I couldn't care less about deporting illegal immigrants. That was seems too straight-forward.
>Legally? You bet your ass.
If you're suggesting that the constitution only applies to American citizens, you're absolutely wrong.
If it weren't for Trump's massive poll numbers this late into the primaries, I would totally agree with you.
I also think of Trump was going up against a 2012 Obama, Obama would mop the floor with him.
However, if you look at Hillary...
A pro-war, pro-tax the small guy, anti-tax the big guy, pro-export jobs, until very recently anti-gay, "liberal" Democrat.
However, you could be right. Maybe Trump's super liberal streak and Hillary's George W Bush like record will not shift party lines at all.
Although I do have to say, even you, would have to admit there is something radically different about Trump when comparing him to Ron Paul, McCain, or Romney, he's just such a different animal.
Will that wild-card game of his translate into general election votes, there is no way to tell, but it is different than the softly spoken gentlemanly GOP candidates we've seen for the last 30-50 years.
*spends own taxmoney on failed bank investments*
*donates 3bns to Israel every year*
*dies from common cold because he couldn't afford medicine*
*buys cotton candy with last pocket money to get reminded of glorious leader*
oh and i also forgot..when we brexit this year we will trigger the collapse of the eu
trump and the brexit are the crucial moment needed for THE happening of happenings
go smoke weed and open your home to tyrone and abdul cuck
>Implying I voted to keep the queen
>Implying I voted for DUDE WEED
>Implying you contribute any way to that
>Implying L O N D O N is nice and not a living breathing slum
Go stuff another cold scotch egg in your gullet smothered in HP sauce and wash it down with a warm pint of bitter you uncultured swine.
I do admit that. I've praised his outspokenness. He hasn't been bullied by the media like so many candidates have.
But when people are arguing that Trump will win because "people are sick of corrupt business and the shill media," I have to interject because people were sick and tired in 2004 and 2008 and, presumably 2012. Yet we got an establishment president in each of those elections.
As a matter of fact, when was the last time we had a non-establishment president?
implying you have any of your own hahahahaha
enjoy that open border mate.. can see another wall being built when you are over ran
when we brexit they wont be coming here no more..they know they have tested our patience...and sweden is full
guess where they will be heading?
It's the real /pol/. Full of retarded degenerates who think they support classical Western ideas, yet they've never read a single classical work in their lives.
/Pol/ is the reason Trump will get elected, and why this country is further going to shit.
Question. have you seen the betting odds market on Trump? It's gone no where but up since he entered. You sound like a guy who is in denial that your investments tanked because you invested so much money into it. The old system is dead. Politics is changed. Make America Great Again.
>post chanology /b/tard
>having any relevant opinions at all
The border to canada has basically been open for 30 years, nothing is going to change, people don't come to canada because they don't even know what the fuck it is, have fun leaving the EU and still being a completely cucked country, you were on top once and completely shit the bed, absolutely fucking fumbled the greatest empire on earth, no one is mored cucked then the proud brit.
I would rather die a cathartic death as gold plated Trump emblazoned nuclear warheads launch from our side of the great wall to blanket the earth in a nuclear holocaust than endure a slow dismantling of society by pussywhipped, effeminate betas, legbearded women, and shitskins.
I want the happening to be total and complete
You can live in denial all you want, Paco.
But the fact of the matter is that Trump has way more support than the media is willing to admit.
Shut the fuck up and build wall, pendejo.
Also, you don't deserve that 1776 get, you filthy spic.
obongo was the outsider, non clinton anti nsa canadate that would bring change. he was our false hope and many of his former supportersmare now trump supporters. lets just hope we aer not beeing fooled again, i dont think wemare but im still synical about it
sorry for bad spelling my screen is broke
Throwing your vote away is useless and a waste of time bro. You already lost before it was time to vote. Just admit you make no difference and never will in any country with this attitude.
Again, I hope you're right but I'm pretty sure you're wrong.
I'm sorry to admit that it will almost certainly be a Hillary presidency.
I don't really have a dog in this fight. I just think it's really naive to suggest that Donald Trump has "changed politics forever" and "killed the old system."
You all will wake up from this trance a year from now, just before inauguration day, and you'll then realize that the game is rigged. For all his populist rhetoric and generic anti-this, anti-that catchphrases, I cannot picture Trump as president.
I wish he would win, but he won't.
>this isn't my first election buckos
Why do people find it so shocking that heterosexual White males are sick of getting Jewed every election by neo-Cons and Marxists? Trump is objectively the first candidate in a long time in the US who is actually aware of the problems facing White males.
I would rather die on my feet than watch my nation torn asunder under the boot of restrictive liberalism. I'd expect anyone passionate about their political views to say the same.
I agree with you in principle but don't underestimate the compound effect that initial primaries have on later ones. Polls can reverse in less than a month. It's very, very early to be calling him even the nominee.
Oh and your missing an important cliff note of this election. When Hillary uses super deligates to cheat Bernie out of the nomination because her 2008 champaign chairman is in charge of the dnc now it will totally demoralize the entire DNC and no amount of Trump hate will save them. They will feel what republicans felt in 2012 with Ron Paul except they will of legitimatly won but still lost.
Or, you could argue that the death of the democratic republic is when people align themselves with parties to find their political bearings, instead of making the parties a representation of the people.
I think more people need to vote third party.
There is no freedom in a warhead, unless you see death as freedom. The slow push from the left toward socialism and the gradual emergence of the right toward reactionary nationalistic bloodlust is symptomatic of an inability to compromise based on rigid structures of thought. Both sides are absolutely moronic; the rights with their happenings and suicide wish to start another civil war because they can't hate gay people anymore, and the lefts with their obsession to make everyone feel bad about everything in this country. It's like watching your house burn down and two fire fighters argue about the best way to break down the door.
Anyone from /pol/ who thinks that the Media will allow Trump to look good enough to beat Hillary is living in the same fantasy land you accuse others of operating in.
Did you morons miss it when the Fox News talking point of the day was "Low information Trump supporters?"
Why do you do that. You use your opinion elsewhere. Tell ne what do you think the Democrats who support Bernie to winning over half the states delegates will do when they find out that the DNC reserves 25% of the delegates required to get the nomination as hand picked party members? They will be crushed. They will even go against Shillery at that point. I'm more than confident Hillary will destroy the DNC in order to get elected. Shes that evil.
The primaries are less than a month away.
While I'll give you he's virtually tied for Iowa with Cruz, he'd have to loose a 18 point lead in New Hampshire, 13 point in Nevada, 15 point lead in South Carolina and so on and so fourth to loose the nomination.
These poll numbers are at historic heights
History says he'll win the nomination.
As far as the nationals, we really won't know until we get there. But either way, it's going to be YYuuugggggg!
I don't understand what you're saying. If something happens that exposes how corrupt and undemocratic the US electoral system is, I'm happy.
The Americans need an awakening more than almost anything else.
The democrats party canidate election is decided by 75% state delegates and 25% Super delegates that are picked by the party. The Parties chairman is Hillary's close friend and 2008 campaign manager. Hillary has 100% Of the super delegates and can win the nomination even if she looses 75% of the states elections. This will demoralize the Democrats who voted for Bernie and might even outright push many to vote for Trump.
Because they are very naive about their party being good and not just using minorities as armor to avoid criticism and were just betrayed. No one likes Hillary. She is a enemy to everyone.
>a wall isn't effective because... er... you can go under/over it!
Do these people also think immune systems are pointless because bacteria and viruses can circumvent their mechanisms? Should we just say "fuck it" and stop growing our skin because you can be shot or stabbed through it?
Trump support here is a combination of memeing, shitposting, Democratic shilling, severe delusion, a pernicious desire of some to elevate the worst in all things in order to speed a destruction they see as advantageous and good deal of genuine, hopeful support heavily influenced by all the rest of the above.
So tell me how you think it all turns out. Here's my guess.
/pol/ supports Trump simply because he's a guaranteed win for /pol/. The sheer amount of hilarity that came out of Trump is already a glorious victory for /pol/ as a whole.
Let's consider the scenarios:
>Trump doesn't get the nomination/loses to Shillary
Boardwide outrage, /pol/ implodes. It will be absolutely hilarious.
/pol/ manages to meme a candidate to office.
>Trump has a mediocre term/Trump crashes the US with bad policies
/pol/ will enjoy mocking Trump forever.
>Trump causes WW3
>Trump manages to improve/save America
/pol/ PRIDE WORLDWIDE PRAISE GOD EMPEROR TRUMP
No matter how the election turns out, /pol/ will not lose.
I'm calling Hillary. Have done since July.
Fair enough. It's a win-win. A Trump presidency is where morbid curiosity, political cynicism, and four years of low-effort shit-posting come together for a shit-covered three-way.
Trump is a positive meme. I don't think you can defeat that. The only people not voting for him among Republicans tend to be butthurt religious types who hate that he isn't orienting his entire campaign around dead babies.