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Before anyone shits themselves over having The Gatekeepers in the op as a suggested watch, here's why...
>Amy Ayalon director of Shin Bet: We are working to create a Sunni alliance to combat Iran
>This alliance includes some Sunni Arab states and will be lead by Turkey. "Islamic Army" coalition of Saudi Arabia is an Israeli project
I watched it when it came out and it was quite informative. It reveals the origins of the recently formed Saudi-led coalition too (honestly I don't remember that too much - watching it again now though).
Also SouthFront pooped out on us and I couldn't think of anything else to post so fuck it.
sure. there are so many different isolated cases. soldiers killing civs, settlers killing palestinians, buning their plantations ( groves? olive groves) etc. all of them isolated cases. all of them. even the one where the ethiopian man was shot, and then beaten as he lay dying on the floor.....all isolated incidents. Then there was the crazy orthodox dude was stabbing gay people in the gay parade, and then the two israeli's who just recently indicted for killing a palestinian family with petrol bombs at night, again, just an isolated incident, not a clear sign of a cancer that is so consuming that they are already blinded by it.
This. Israel is a fucking cancerous state.
It's been built on violence, so it need violence.
Once Israel will have managed to kill/deport/genocide/whatever their entire arab population, they'll start a civil war.
The other possible outcome is they finally realize that western standard way of life is not possible in this land, and that's why there were only olive groves or stuff like that when they arrived.
>problems related to physical access are merely symptomatic of far larger issues which are not solved by the walls
no but you can seperate the individuals that are on opposite side of the issue, if the groups are confined geographically. it doesn't solve any problem, but gives it a chance to die down and aproach it anew, if people are not confronted by it on a daily basis.
It can work in this function like the wall in belfadt worked in general.
but the comparison with the US border wall and westbank wall is moronic. they have very different functions in large. it's more compareable to the israeli desert fence toward egypt to keep out the 'black wannabe jew' immigrants.
>I do not live in a gated community. I really don't like the fact that people have fucked up all the back routes for driving.
agree 100%. here in poland people are prefering to life more and mor in gated housing, although crime rate is probably only a tiny fraction of that of SA. Polish seem to be afraid of each other for no apperant reason. Makes the quality of living in the cities go down I have the strong feeling. not only because of the driving, but also for the lack of sense of community.
This thread needs more cuteness!!
Flesh eating parasites are a cute! Cute!
here's a new interactive map with potential via reddit
this is a QGIS project, hosted online which gives the viewer a few features:
show/hide layers as you'd like
zoom/pan as desired
distance and area measuring devices embedded (on toolbar)
mobile version available (top-right corner) for those of you with slower machines like me
my favorite: Search Bar! It's pretty good at guessing what you are looking for if it's not spelled perfectly, good to finding the latest town/village in the sub's newsfeed
multiple background map options: Mapquest (used by deSyracuse), OpenStreetMap, Google hybrid
options of 50-foot and 100-foot contours if that's your thing.
During the perestroika and after the collapse of USSR, massive amount of Russian jews emigrated in Israel, for economic reason.
They were correctly educated white pple, so it's a powerful diaspora pretty well placed politically in Israel.
Those people still have several links with Russia, especially in business circles. A frontal opposition from Putin may lead to trouble within Russia, which they want to avoid.
So there is a untold rule between them: don't do something that could be considered as hostile.
Israel has been funded on terror, and it's pretty recent. So it will continue like this, until Israel find a way to construct itself as a people, and not as a land. They are not currently taking this path.
There is a lot of crime in south africa, it's true. But most victims are not white, they are black. Most victims, even by proportion are black and poor.
Peace walls in Ireland, sure they should come down, I think the folk who want to remain part of the uk should get a reality check and realise they are in ireland.
I don't think the israeli wall is anything but an avoidance of the final outcome, which is either a single state or 67 boundary thing. Solving that issue would avoid both the bombings and the impact of living in a culture with a pathological focus on theatrical outcomes. For instance, Israel, probably won't cease to exist - although however, the zionist state will.
Europes fences will come down when the war ends. Was Merkels open arms approach a counter to western aggression or a statement of participation?
>but also for the lack of sense of community.
This is a big one. if there are no reasons for walls they are not a good thing.
And I agree the palestinian wall and the mexican wall are different. The mexican wall will just drive up the cost of whatever drugs they bring in from mexico.kek
the not so strict search feature is very neat. i was missing that. trying to find the villages in those tweets are sometimes a hassle.
The front lines are a strange mix of upto- and outof-date.
Sheik-Miskin seems to be new. South-east hama and ISIS/Nusa area at turkish border not so much.
the fact that israeli's have failed to make acceptable peace with all their enemies has led to them living in a perpetual state of paranoia. Bombs might go off, a rocket might hit your house, you might be called up to go raid some patch of hillside and get shot up in the process, someone may drive a bus into a crowd of people, or run at you and stab you....Many members of society can probably not be scarred by this - but can most? Can you be a normal happy human being with all these fears? What if your parents had these fears, and you have had them your whole life, and your children will have them. What does that do to cultures and individuals within them who live like that? It's not jewish this behaviour - Jews in Johannesburg do not burn their neighbors trees - they are pillars of the community, nice sane, reasonable people.
The wall did not remove the fear. They are probably more safe from an explosive death than before. But its an environment of corruption, and only a just peace without victims is going to solve that. >Victims will always come back and flutter at your throat (Shaka Zulu) I guess that's my point.
check this vid from KSA
those look like the vehicles in Qatif from yesterday
searching fro Qatif on twitter the same vid pops up, so i'm guessing it's indeed from there
the fire is indeed rising
Saudi maidan kek
>I am saying they are a way of avoiding bigger questions.
I've no idea what you're trying to get at here. Are you saying that if there's now a wall, people will think everything is fine and start doing stupid shit or something? That they would stop caring or something? I'm asking because I'm not sure what your notion of a 'wall' is or what it's supposed to do.
A wall is a simple but effective solution to a physical problem. It has been for thousands of years and I'm sure it will keep being so for many thousands more (force fields will effectively be the same as walls). No, it's not a solution to bigotry, no it's not a solution to jihad, no it's not a panacea machine that will cure alzheimer's and suck my dick at the same time. But if you want to keep some people out (or, for that matter, keep people in) you build a wall. Does it keep all people out? No. Some people are smart. some people are bold. As for the rest, they'll be kept out. Rome's walls did not keep the barbarians outside when it got sacked, but it sure did many many years before that happened.
>I don't think the israeli wall is anything but an avoidance of the final outcome, which is either a single state or 67 boundary thing
I believe there is a third option. If (or when) there will be the next arab-israeli war and israel once more wins, it can make all the palestinian land they don't want anymore Jordanian or egyptian, thus making it a three-state-solution. this can always be combined with some good old-fashioed ethnic cleansing.
In my mind, if you have this solution in mind, it'd explain the current policy.
>There is a lot of crime in south africa, it's true. But most victims are not white, they are black. Most victims, even by proportion are black and poor.
That is probably because they can't afford walls to protect their houses :^)
>I think the folk who want to remain part of the uk should get a reality check and realise they are in ireland.
But thats not true. Why should they become part of Ireland just because the IRA decided to start killing people?
>I don't think the israeli wall is anything but an avoidance of the final outcome
This is right but until a final outcome arrives the wall is a good idea
Also no way Israel returns to 1967 borders thats over and done with
Also examine the principles behind both states
Israel says they have right to Israel while Palestine say they have right to everything.
Simply going back to 67 borders will make the Palis say we should go back to 48 borders
>Was Merkels open arms approach a counter to western aggression or a statement of participation?
What does this even mean?
How does not having a wall change this?
If there _were_ jews splattered all over the wall of Jerusalem from a suicide bomb (who got through the empty patch of land there wasn't a wall), aside from delivering a big laugh to /pol/, will Israelis be less paranoid? Less corrupt? Will peace come faster if Israel was without a wall than if it does?
I mean, goddamnit, DC, you're making me defend Israel here for God;'s sake.
>Why do you ask if I am black tho?
because it disturb the idea that a white South African can say it's the blacks that pay the biggest price to violence, which is logical because they are the poorest/weakest part of the population.
It's the same in France with the arabs and blacks also.
Winter coats aren't a solution, they're just an avoidance of a bigger problem, cold.
In that case, if we doing scales of white, I am white white. It's the whole nine yards in terms of whatever constitutes the highest standards in these matters. Direct N Euro - i.e parents
dude right now I'm missing the winter so hard, fuck the summer.
#Syria #SyrianArabArmy #SyrianArmy #SyriaArmy #SAA #SyrianArmedForces >https://twitter.com/IvanSidorenko1/status/683792363530092545
It would explain some of your thinking
Are you saying South Africans don't live in a state of paranoia?
>Can you be a normal happy human being with all these fears?
Yes Israelis have moved from fearing that their state would be destroyed to worrying about maybe possibly being stabbed by an incompetent arab
>Jews in Johannesburg do not burn their neighbors trees - they are pillars of the community, nice sane, reasonable people.
Jews in Johannesburg helped destroy apartheid and helped usher in South Africas decline
>The wall did not remove the fear. They are probably more safe from an explosive death than before. But its an environment of corruption, and only a just peace without victims is going to solve that. >Victims will always come back and flutter at your throat (Shaka Zulu) I guess that's my point.
This is fluff talk. I am sure that Israel is a less corrupt environment than South Africa
We just don't care about blacks and arabs as much because they do it to themselves
Also I'm tired of noble enlightened whites taking up the white mans burden for blacks
while searching for Qatif this popped up
>The victims were a Shia teenage girl from Qatif (Eastern Province, Saudi Arabia) and her male companion, who were kidnapped and gang-raped by seven Saudi men in mid-2006.
I think you are missing me here.
I am not arguing against what you have said. IF israel chose to make peace today, peace would come much faster.
Israel chose to build a wall.
Israel has still not decided to make peace.
Peace and the wall are two different things. Even though the wall may give you some respite. We are off topic. bro.
>>The victims were a Shia teenage girl from Qatif (Eastern Province, Saudi Arabia) and her male companion, who were kidnapped and gang-raped by seven Saudi men in mid-2006.
I don't understand it, both were raped?
You are taking away agency from the Palestinians here
You make it seem like it is all on Israel to start or stop the war.
A crazy white south african is who I think you are
more shit burning
but it seem the vid is from Bahrain 2011
different angle here
the corruption of culture, the acceptability of murder....you with me? not criminal corruption, or political corruption....but like the gangsterization of daily life - you get me?, gangsters/bangers also have corrupted culture...you might be mummies little sugar-rat, but you can be corrupted by your environment.
Israel has done nothing to stop settlement construction, which will forever be fuel in the Palestinians' fire. It may not be all on Israel but Israel is certainly not taking solid steps either.
If I recall correctly, it is Palestinians who break every ceasefire, granted I'm not sure how arbitrary the ceasefires are or if they are even declared.
Israel probably built the wall to avoid more causalities when Palestine inevitably begins to shoot again.
So, onto Syria and pls no more derail. It seems everything has slowed right back down, the media no longer cares about Syria, Russia is back to bombing full scale, and peace talks are set on what, the 12th? Has Russia basically won at this point? There's not much that the gulf states can do at this point while avoiding the attention of Russia.
you are right the wall changes nothing. but it makes people safer in total. without knowing what the numbers are i'd guess less people are dying, even if counting the cases you mentioned. but no, it doesn't change the society and i don't think it was ever intended to.
The problem is, that arab mentality is quiet different in some respects to (let's call it) european frame of mind. a very important one is that they take any conscession on your part as weakness, as a victory for themselfs. Just look at the jew reatreat from Gaza or south lebanon. did it change anything? no. The arabs partied each time and said it was theit victory. So would retreat to 1967 borders change anything and make the issue go away? no. So i understand that they don't believe in further concessions.
The problems that I have with the jewish state is, that it turned from a european kind of country to a ME kind within a few decades. partially, because of the sefardi jew influx, but also partially because occupation and conflict with arabs made them thinking more like them.
I'm really from the german capital (so I know a thing or two about walls) and we have many many thousands of young well educated ashkenazi jews from israel living there, just because israel turns into a shithole - and an expansive one at that.
Lekker. Ek dink die mense verstaan nie die subtle ding wat ek probeer se. oh, well. My huistaal is ook engels. al is ek nie engels nie - ook nie dutchie nie. Dit maak geen saak aniways.
I see no reason to talk about palestinians when I am talking about the corruption of Jewish culture. It is clear that there is a degradation in their culture too. There are no winners, it's lose lose, a slow death spiral of two moths in a flame.
Maybe someone is trying to provoke an uprising, look they are all doing it, come join us
>The appeals court doubled the victims' sentences in late 2007 as punishment for the heavy media coverage of the event in the international pres
retreting from Gaza was not a concession. It's called complying with international law. Only the most underhanded would present complying with international law as a concession. I didn't take your wallet, you must see this as a concession. Give me your wallet.
And gaza is still occupied, altho it is no longer settled. Israel has (or until recently had) full control of its borders and full control of it's skies, and indeed control of what crosses into it for the most part - until the egytians opened up their end it had been under blockade for a long time.
>retreting from Gaza was not a concession. It's called complying with international law. Only the most underhanded would present complying with international law as a concession. I didn't take your wallet, you must see this as a concession. Give me your wallet.
Yes I think so
I even hate Jews and think their influence must be stopped and I dislike the arguments that leftists use against Israel
Its simply what Jews and leftists have done to the west
>let the brown horde in
>D-don't fight back thats what they want
>muh human rights
>w-wall doesn't fix anything*even though it stopped suicide bombings*
Jews and leftists bad news
>Daesh executes 5 ‘British spies’ in Syria, calls UK’s Cameron ‘imbecile’
Well back on topic, was this posted earlier?
> It's called complying with international law
in this logic going back to 1967 borders would be no concession, stopping or even abandoning settlements would be no concession, because let's face it, it's all against intl. law.
I'm not saying that Jews are puppies with big eyes and can do no wrong. They are absolutely. My point is, that giving any kind of concessions to arabs makes you look weak in their eyes and they'll attack even more, because you seem to be weak. This makes the whole 'if israel wants peace there'll be peace tomorrow' thing utter BS. You are thinking like a european and expect the others to do likewise.
How Israel can make a peace settlement without looking weak? I have no clue. Maybe that's why they keep subdueing them. you probably know it, but if not watch this highly interesting documentary
where the shin bet heads are angry that there is no policy on how to tackle the palestinian issue.
I'm gonna stop derailing the thread, and go to /bed
But labels like commie, srsly? I don't even know what that means. Im not sure anyone else does either - but think of it like this, capitalism is a good tool for stuff, stuff like innovation - to a degree.
The US department of defence, over a number of decades made the internet possible - no capitalist entity would ever have created the internet. the us department of defence via DARPA and US NAVY (Semiconductor) made all this shit posting possible.
Capital, innovation, private enterprise and a whole lot of other things made the internet. And think, in terms of organisations that have ever existed, it's likely that the us department of defence is the most pwerful ever. A government organ, not a company.
So I see a mix of things, ideas, tools, mechanisms coming together to create effective solutions, the last thing I want in my mix is crazy meaningless words like commie.
>But labels like commie, srsly? I don't even know what that means. Im not sure anyone else does either
He's a commie
>Syria, Video for Syrian 'Victors Brigade' Islamic Resistance in Syria
They look cool.
>But labels like commie, srsly? I don't even know what that means. Im not sure anyone else does either
Oh no, it's North American slang for Communist.
>but think of it like this, capitalism is a good tool for stuff, stuff like innovation - to a degree.
>...the last thing I want in my mix is crazy meaningless words like commie.
You're right, a more apt term would be "pinko". G'Night retard.
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>Military Situ in West #Salmiyah #حماة #سلمیه SAA secured villages Along the Orontes River
>#Ramadi Situation til 03 January 2016 #Iraq-i forces trying to clear rest of the city
What are you talking about?
There are still communists, there are still fascists
There are more communists around than fascists
I bet you are also a person who still uses the pejorative "fascist" still
The SA tripfag was saying some goofy things without explaining himself clearly other than vague stuff about how the wall had "corrupted" Israel while denying all the positives it had accomplished
For a tripfag who claims to love facts this is confusing
What are you talking about? Sheik Mashkin of obiously a Mongol Strategy to lure FSA from other lands in Daraa to just one point. Hell, even they are sending man from Daraa to help the battle there.
FSA/Nusra is so fucked up that if they don't do that, they will be losing very important soil, so is a lose to lose.
Well to be fair, it's not unlikely the guys an actual communist or at least some kind of socialist considering what SA is, a mid-HDI nation that shares the neighbourhood with other Marxist and "former" communist infested nations.
Any chance Ramadi could be recaptured?
SAA really went blitzkrieg on South Hama eh?
Omg shut up. Who gives a fuck about labels anymore? There's only two labels ok? "Normie" and "extremist." You seem to fall into the latter, more argumentative, category. Go find a thread about SJW's or something.
They did. Quite awesomely.
Ugh imagine a Tarantino Syrian Civil War movie...
>main character is an independent female muh moderate rebel in a hijab because SO SUBVERSIVE
>White Russian invader gets anally raped by 3 different ethnicities in slow motion
>a Jew teams up with a Muslim to slaughter Trump supporters to unfitting music
Subete ga F ni Naru: The Perfect Insider, yeah, i kind of /a/ too.
>No Brake and No Disclosure on Media Owners’ Interests [DEC 5]
>The Times today carries an article on ISIS’ oil interests, Syria and Turkey. Nowhere does it inform its readers that the owner of the newspaper, Rupert Murdoch, has a vested interest in this subject through his role and shares in Genie Energy, an Israeli company granted oil rights in Syria by the Israeli government. Dick Cheney and Lord Rothschild are also shareholders.
>No, they really are. This is not a conspiracy theory. It is a conspiracy.
It's just a case of the word being used without meaning, and, like the word "fascist", he most likely uses it using the definition "someone I don't like",
Peter Hitchens once advised that one should read George Orwel''s Essay on Politics and the English Language, and re-read it once every year as a rule.
I agree with this advise and recommend it to everyone in /sg/ and /pol/ as a whole.
Essay is here: http://www.orwell.ru/library/essays/politics/english/e_polit/
> Mr. Normie
This is an stupid meme m8
You secret weeaboo is public. Carry on.
Oh god, you give up fucking idiot, you're now a retarded in my point of view.
And speaking of Syria
>SAA makind advances to Nawa after years.
No, almost all their videos are shot using 2 cams each from a different angle. Then the two videos are spliced together. So from 0:00 to 0:25 it's one cam then the other cam footage starts.
> In December 2007 the Saudi King Abdullah issued an official pardon for the two victims, citing his ultimate authority to revise "discretionary" punishments in accordance with the public good
I do some Video Edition, so i think that the video could be separated in 2 part, the misil and the guys. If this is true, there could be a posibility that could be a old record the misil hit.
Huh. Pic related just reminds me.
>Assad still not Mossad
>Saudi getting bloody
>Turkey now in the oven
>Rebels gone like bubbles
>ISIS getting mass phimosis
>"Assad must go" crowd now world's #1 source of tears
>Russia gets ++100 hours worth of commercial-worthy footage
Funny how this could have only been predicted by the craziest America-hating conspiracy theorist just 2 years ago.
Anyone know anything about the "Larouche PAC?" Read a bit, but not really getting a sense of anything more than they're just a grass roots kinda deal.
>A Minute to Midnight: It's Time To Denounce the Saudi Barbarism and Bankrupt Wall Street
Truly this Arab Winter is a merry one indeed.
Sup /sg/ I need a name of an Iraqi politician and I think you guys can help.
Years back America had a guy in the Iraqi government, a politician (also a Shia cleric) who for years, successfully convinced the Americans and everybody else that he was going to help in creating an Iraq that was not favorable to Iran. This con went on for a very long time, he had plenty of meetings with the Americans and they thought he was their guy.
Of course the ruse went up eventually and he got away with it and now Iraq is very much under Iran's wing.
Does anybody know the name of who I'm talking about? I used to know it and now I've forgotten it. He's still alive and out and about.
I've seen the two cam set up a handful of times. One cam on the launch then wide angle to the hit - second cam zooms with the missile and hits the final focus on the long shot/explosion.
Sometimes you can hear the snackbars in the background from B cam in the A cam footage if they're close enough.
And this was always part of the US and his friends
Feels bad m8
Uh huh. Truthers too then, I imagine. I see them calling for 'muh 28 pages.'
As for anything new, other than Saudis lopping off 47 heads (incl a popular cleric) to ring in the new year causing protestors in Iran to burn down the Saudi embassy, not too much. Ramadi is becoming more secure every hour. SAA/NDF/Hez advances all over. Next big battle could be al-Bab.
>Read a bit, but not really getting a sense of anything more than they're just a grass roots kinda deal.
>From the 1970s through to the first decade of the 21st century, LaRouche founded several groups and companies
They literally wanted to send faggots to concentration camps.
>The mega-financial blowout which is now scheduled immediately after New >Years Day promises an almost-instant shutdown of the economies of the US, >Western Europe, and most of Central and South America.
>Obama has launched a plan for the mass murder of the U.S. population >beginning now.
>The mass executions by the barbaric Saudi regime on Jan. 2, which are now polarizing the entire Muslim world again, must be denounced widely by all civilized people, before Saudi actions trigger a new global war.
I find the author to be rather naive. Or, at least, I know he doesn't browse /sg/.
As if that would do anything. Not even "denouncements" from their western puppets (possibly jointly planned in advance and watered down just to please the unsettled public) won't make them stop.
In any case, the point is invalid. Sectarian violence between muslims can't trigger a global war by itself. That's because, everything considered, muslims are still shit at war and themselves don't have any nukes (not even the demonized Iran).
It's their backers that would decide whether to start the global war or not.
It's a shame because the other half about the financial crisis is pretty much well informed (it seems to be 2 different articles in one, actually. Wonder why the author decided to essentially paste it together?).
If he wanted to talk about global war, then the financial meltdown would be a much better trigger for that rather than some silly muslims slashing at each other's throats.
>Clear and direct action is required against Wall Street.
But again the author reveals their naivete. Wall street was just a little part of that whole scam. It's, I think, wrong to forget the people who made it possible - namely the politicians, central bankers and their various cronies and muscle men. If the author actually thinks a heist this great was possible without government-wide complicity, then they must be quite ignorant.
Overall, 3.5/10. Possibly "hard-hitting" and "controversial" to the average CNN jockey, but not nearly enough meat for someone on /pol//
Not to keep harping on this (though making fun of Larouche is one of my favorite things) this video uses morbidity and mortality rates in the same way, and they are very much not the same thing.
The "Great Muslim War" is coming on full speed, and USA has everything to lose if the help SA for Oil. Putin is bringing order to Syria slowly, Iraq under Iran wing too, Yemen is the Vietam of SA and Baharin is going full Shiia.
To USA, the only good thing that they could do is intervine once again in another ME country and that would be the biggest mistake of USA. Putin is wating to USA make another intervetion, because he have the power to crush USA interest in the region.
ME is now fast changing, and don't forget, this isn't a religious war, is a political power war. Any motherfucking who says "Shiia vs Sunnie" bullshit in 2016, don't know a shit about ME then.
Anybody know why Homs is still holding out?
It's been surrounded for ages so is the SAA just besieging them until they capitulate? Or is it something else?
Of course, but SA is so arrogant that they think they could win with USA under his power of Oil. The people is starting to think that SA is the biggest morons in Earth, for the point of view of the USA people, is fucking Vietnam 2.
With that in mind, killing a prominent is a show that arrogance, and my god, how wrong they are. Baharin is going to be ruled by Shiias again during 2016.
The exact same thing was said during prohibition if I remember correct. Fuck that dude. Also, if he thinks young pots heads are even going out to vote in the first place he's an idiot.
People should probably get drug tested before voting. I don't know how anyone can make an informed decision while stoned out of their mind.
In any case, drug abusers should be imprisoned to begin with.
Anywhere there are "moderate" pockets there's more tunnels than anybody imagines. So they stay supplied and SAA doesn't feel like losing men& equipment storming heavily entrenched town positions.
Because Homs Stronk!
The SAA tried to make a major push into it in November and got BTFO since the rebels there have been preparing defenses for years. Its also largely urban and the SAA can't afford to spare the troops necessary to capture something like that. They are mostly just capturing small hills and villages there occasionally. The SAA will likely try to negotiate its return like they did in Homs to transport them to other rebel held areas in return to get their clay back.
Wew that was pretty painful - would not watch again. Yeah so they pulled figures from that one "research paper" and vomited it out into video format. Shame that paper made no sense to begin with.
So other than using them for a few chuckles, avoid Larouche. Check.
Actually... these negotiated retreats tell something to me.
These so-called "rebels"... they aren't Syrian, are they? Because if they were, they would never agree to a relocation. The thing about grassroots rebellion is, they fight for their homes to the death. That's the point. That's why Donbass can never be defeated without glassing its entirety.
If these "rebels" would even consider relocating to another area, they aren't really rebels, but most likely foreign jihadis. They don't care about the land they are defending, so they go elsewhere - possibly easier to defend, gets supplies often, doesn't matter.
The UN supplies them under an agreement with Assad since simply starving them and ending this war in like a month would be a war crime. And we all know how serious western nations take war crimes that aren't committed by them or their allies.
>The UN supplies them under an agreement with Assad since simply starving them and ending this war in like a month would be a war crime.
So how the fuck are they going to beat them?
Not doubting you but can you give a source on the food drops? No fucking wonder they were holding out, fuck me dead.
I suppose "Anti tank missiles" are edible, too.
>Syrian Army advances on the 2nd largest city in Daraa
And speaking of Homs...
>Syrian Armed Forces launch a preliminary offensive in southeastern Homs
Woah, never heard of this.
But I bet those 7.96 flavored cans of SPAM are quite flavorful. Topped off with a helping of TOW brand ketchup, and the local jihadi john is nice and happy.
>rebels still being btfo
Glad it's the current year.
The Syrian version of the Red Cross...
>Red Crescent volunteers bring relief to the al-Waer suburb of Homs
Red Crescent has been supplying them with food/meds. All over Syria.
And yep, this is how it's done. You cannot starve a population because of war. It's against the law.
/OFFICIAL pol/ QUEEN
>You cannot starve a population because of war. It's against the law.
This reminds me of a paper I was reading on how foolish some war crime laws are. Like it's legal for you to blow me up with artillery and leave me to die over 6 hours, bleeding to death. But you can't gas me and kill me in under a minute.
I can see where the law comes from though because of civilians but after a while you'd think this very law can be used as a strategy (as it is) for evading siege scenarios.
I know many people like war laws, but I'm not a believer. I prefer the old mantra
"It's good that war is so terrible that we might one day develop a distaste for it." Or something along those lines.
I like to believe it's all been carefully crafted, but in some cases the laws are all too reactionary.
Humans are fucking retarded. No idea how we made it out of the stone age.
Exactly, your body is also intact so a funeral can be open casket and people can see you again before burial instead of being "what we could find".
Exactly, there was another quote from some American civil war general who (paraphrased) "The worse this war is, the sooner we can get to it's end and not drag it out".
America is the undisputed master of collateral damage with bombs, man.'
People with autism, (being semi serious here).
I remember reading this thing a while back about how all the greatest innovators have been a bit weird and they spend more time (because fuck people) on their chosen pursuits than fraternizing.
It's like "International law".
Everybody uses it when they want moral authority, then disregards it when it's no longer useful.
Legalizing weed is illegal under International law, for instance.
>We kill an entire city block instead of a single house.
do you forget the "shock and awe" of the Iraq War at first?
entire blocks were leveled at a time with the civilians inside
This is really a foolish point, man.
What kind of gas are you using for one?
Sarin is 28 times more lethal than mustard gas and 81 times more lethal than cyanide.
Artillery and bombs kill shitloads of civilians because they're not as accurate. What about the start of the second gulf war? You were blowing up entire city blocks.
As far as I can see it doesn't mean shit either way, gas can cause collateral just like conventional bombings. In fact you might need to use less bombs with gas (and keep things more intact) because depending on the gas it can saturate an area.
Or fuckit, just use neutron bombs.
Now, the next bit's going to be a bit conspiracy theorist, but please bear with me:
I think these laws were made by rich people to slant the survival rate for themselves. Think about it. Normal bombs and bullet will usually land in dense, industrial, i.e low/middle-low class areas. The blasts won't usually be too big and have no lasting effect other than a big hole where it lands.
On the other hand, Poison gas kills everyone, and sometimes can travel far and wide, say, to the less densely populated rich areas. Same for nukes.
I can go on for a lot of laws like the "don't shoot someone on a parachute" and the disdain for mines. MINES. God I love mines. Why is it banned all the sudden? And cluster bombs? Geez. White phosphorus? Come on - is it because of global warming? Or maybe just more of the poisonous fumes thing.
And all that. Okay, that's it for the conspiracy theory portion. Tune in next week when we take a look at fluorine in the water source.
Okay well picture us using gas on entire city blocks, we would have killed the whole city. Plus gas doesn't just go away, it lingers in the air for days. I'm honestly sickened by the fact that you people are arguing that we should be using gas.
There is evidence to suggest that prehistoric and stone age societies were retentively peaceful. They might have engaged in small "battles" that were more ritual than fighting. I don't know if this is true and I cant/don't want to find the papers I read it in, but it's interesting to think about.
>Okay well picture us using gas on entire city blocks, we would have killed the whole city. Plus gas doesn't just go away,
It depends on the type of gas you use.
The military doesn't have an order form that just says "gas". Same way it doesn't have "bullets" and "bombs" and "fighter aircraft".
We're not making a case for gas use, just saying how stupid it is to ban it but artillery is seen as somehow more humane.
>I'm honestly sickened by the fact that you people are arguing that we should be using gas.
I'm more trying to get you to understand the damage of bombs more than advocating for gas
us going into Iraq, toppling Saddam, and killing civilians for no good reason was horrible
certainly didn't make us safer
>There is evidence to suggest that prehistoric and stone age societies were retentively peaceful.
Relatively speaking, I suppose. But, think about it. Massacring the other tribe back then might have meant wiping off a good 1% of the entire human population. Chances are, they did taht too... or just enslaved them. We also don't know what exactly happened to the uh.. shit, i forgot what they were called. Andro...? Geno..?
Can't connect the dots I see.
If artillery bombardment is as horrible as it's proven to have been, why does it get a free pass but gas is seen as horrendous?
It's a feel good ban for idiots who want to feel like they can be more moral than others while murdering families with high explosives.
I'm a moron for staying up this late. Off to bed. Leaving behind next op with the new maps on it. Feel free to use or not. Nite /sg/...
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>Relatively speaking, I suppose. But, think about it. Massacring the other tribe back then might have meant wiping off a good 1% of the entire human population. Chances are, they did taht too... or just enslaved them. We also don't know what exactly happened to the uh.. shit, i forgot what they were called. Andro...? Geno..?
Read this one.
Some gasses will dissipate in the wind after a while, some linger, some are gone pretty quick.
Something like Agent Orange (what you're probably thinking of) will poison the land.
And I'm not saying it did or that bombs aren't bad. Listen if we could ban all weapons I'd be down for that sure, but you can't. We are going to have wars forever, so why not try and make them just a little bit less shit. The thing is we will (hopefully) never understanding the horrors of things like gas, because our forefathers went though it and decided it was bad enough to ban.
I'm paraphrasing from my memory so I'm probably wrong. Plus anthropology is like, half guessing anyway, so who knows.
>And I'm not saying it did or that bombs aren't bad. Listen if we could ban all weapons I'd be down for that sure, but you can't. We are going to have wars forever, so why not try and make them just a little bit less shit. The thing is we will (hopefully) never understanding the horrors of things like gas, because our forefathers went though it and decided it was bad enough to ban.
The fun part is - the mere accusation they are being used is now being used as an excuse for declaring war (Libya, almost Syria, if not for Putin's staunch defense). Proooobably not exactly what those people had in mind.
Well I can see where you're coming from now.
Thing is it's just stupid when put into practice. Something like a neutron bomb for instance will kill organic things but leave inorganic things (like buildings) completely intact. If you have good intel and know there are no civilians, why not use a neutron bomb?
The reason they're not is because they're listed as WMD's and you'll get all the political headache that comes from that so don't use them, but it's just strange what is considered the most heinous shit ever sits alongside other methods which are also horrific, but legal.
Not everybody dies instantly from bullet wounds, some people can take days....fat chance of banning them. Turn on any war doco and you'll see plenty of permanent damage caused by bullets and bombs.
Sarin gas for example, can kill you in a minute but if you are evacuated from the exposure area recovery is complete. Unlike of course mustard gas which leaves burns and scars.
So I'm not in favor of legalizing gas, but it's interesting to know this stuff nonetheless.
>Saudis are incredibly stupid people. Like, way dumber than the Blacks. I’m not even joking, if any of you have been around these people you know it’s true. They are the only people on earth (besides maybe abos) who are dumber than Blacks. All of their power comes from the West. And the West is getting stupider by the minute.
>nigger did you just link to neo Nazis?
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They seem fine.
>Ivan Sidorenko @IvanSidorenko1 50 sHace 50 segundos Ver traducción
#Syria The Jaysh al Nasr new statement just says they support Saudi Arabia Against Iran. #FSA - Nothing Significant.
OH GOD MY SIDES!
Long story, man.
Though I must have gotten a detail wrong, it was a long time since I heard the story when I asked that question so I got muddled.
Though his background matches the description.
A lot of human combat has been ritualised in the past. Even as recently as ww1 70-80 % of soldiers reported shooting over the enemies head, in ww2 it was slightly less. I think by korea and vietnam the number firing over the heads of the enemy intentionally had been reduced to single figures. soldiers have to be specifically trained to kill. It's not normal.
I think its pretty much established the original FSA has lost a lot of men and resources and their cause has been hijacked by terrorists.
If anything, the entire FSA has always been hijacked by the jihadis.
Do you really think the Islamic Front and Al Nusra which consist a majority of fighters for the FSA will be happy to see a secular democratic state?
Nope, they are fighting a Sunni Islamic revolution like the Iranian one in the 70s. The Coalition are kidding themselves if they believe Syria will become a country they are imagining it will be after the war if Assad is thrown out.
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Its the way you die.
A frag, you die pretty painlessly unless you survive one.
Most conventional weapons are designed to kill a specific target with efficiency.
Mustard gas for example takes minutes to kill, while you are suffocating, the innards burning. Its a excruciating death.
Suffocation isn't a 'humane' way to kill in war.
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>A frag, you die pretty painlessly unless you survive one.
My god you have no idea what you're even talking about.
Have you ever even seen a wounding chart in your life?
These laws exist so people who never see how wars are actually fought can tell themselves a lie in that "we're fighting this war humanely, we're moral and virtuous".
It's like how the news cycle is full of fucking morons who hear "barrel bombs" and somehow think they're worse than conventional explosives.
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It's cool we can all share stuff man, but The Guardian fucking sucks. It seems to be more interested in spreading a worldview than reporting what's actually going on with serious honesty.
To be be fair I can't recommend any other news outlets, all I can say what I do which is read the same story from a bunch of different ones and see what's common.
To use the first link.
>Anyone watching the Commons debate in the first week of December on bombing Syria could easily have been misled by the hype. An impression was left that somehow RAF Tornados and British Brimstone missiles were going to have a decisive impact in the fight against Islamic State (Isis).
>The reality is, as David Cameron will discover on Monday morning, on his first day back after the holidays, Isis is not going to disappear anytime soon.
Doesn't mention much about how thanks to Russian air support, the Syrian government has not lost anymore large swathes of territory to ISIS because large scale offensives become too risky.
>US and UK counter-terrorist and military specialists repeatedly make two key points when asked about the current situation in Syria. One is that Isis can only be beaten by land forces that the US, the UK, France and other countries, including Russia, are not yet willing to do. In Iraq, there is the Iraqi army and the Kurdish peshmerga that the US-coalition can support. But in Syria there are no such local partners. Nor is there any sign yet of one or more of the countries in the region providing such an army.
>But in Syria there are no such local partners
The SAA receive help from Hezbollah and have been for ages now, though they're not family friendly in the west. They're also getting help from more Shia militias from Iraq which are more motivated than regular government troops, Soleimani is a part of setting up this mobilization.
>Secondly, counter-terrorism and military specialists are nearly unanimous in arguing that Isis cannot be beaten by military means alone.
>The ideas of militant Islam have to be vigorously countered with an alternative message and by the establishment of a viable political system in both Iraq and Syria, with maybe a redrawing of borders. None of these things are close to happening.
This is the soft liberal bullshit/imperialism of "all the people in the middle east want democracy, we like democracy, so they must want it too, good people like democracy, bad people don't so it's ok to bomb them".
This is the same retard nonsense that led to Gadaffi being toppled because dumbasses were telling themselves they were helping the world supporting it. It completely ignores tribal/sunni/shia lines which is how this part of the world operates.
*Which* Kurds, because it's important. There are a number of different factions but people just think "The Kurds".
ISIS is no longer expanding effectively (if at all) in areas under Russian air control. The SAA is able to begin consolidating areas under it's control. ISIS recently lost the dam over the Euphrates, a major loss. At the moment they're playing musical chairs with small towns nobody gives a fuck about.
Their income is also taking a beating thanks to Russia (and sometimes America) blowing the fuck out of their tankers.
Yup, which is why I think I posted it. In some matters the guardian offers not only better coverage than say the bbc, but also more obscure reporting.
It is full of memes, misunderstandings and misdirection. Better to see it in the dojo and understand it than have to face it in the street for the first time. I will add warning for sensitive readers in future.
I have once met a young israeli in Japan. Pretty cool dude but he said that israel is totally fucked up because the muslims and the orthodox jews are outbreeding the secular jews fast and hard. He was atheist and hated his religous countrymen with a passion because they don't contribut to the country whatsoever.
It gets better
'The group, whose leader was killed in a Dec. 26 air strike, said Iran was "threatening the security of the region by exporting criminal militias that spread destruction and death and filled with sectarian vengeance".'
read that either before or after
>My subtle point was about Zionism, not Jews.
I know I know. My coment was more of a proving point for your argument.
Well he said at the end there will be more or less nothing left than orthodox jews and muslims. And he knew totally were this trip is going.
He was very sceptical about the future of Israel. Especially the prospect of a radical zionist majority with the ability to push the red nuke button filled him with dread
>Western countries seem retarded
>in how they're approaching this
The west don't really want to approach this
>it's like vietnam.
Nope. No western groundtroops
Yeah I thought that was your reasoning.
It's just I see stuff from The Guardian and I just roll my eyes because they're fucking idiots whose main claim to fame seems to be
"Well we're better than Fox News! If you don't like us, what...do you watch them? huh?".
Any news outlet with privilege checkers in it is doomed to shittiness because modern social justice is like a plague on the brain, attacking the areas of reason and engorging the areas of pompous emotional soapboxing.
Just look at how they treat something like Gamergate and work it from there.
The assistance ISIS has been getting from Turkey is becoming almost impossible to ignore at this point.
Take a look at the maps as well and see that a lot of rebel strongpoints are on the border of Syria.
Says a lot.
I meant to post that picture in response to you.
Yeah I met an Israeli guy a while back who loathed orthodox jews with a passion "Orthies" he called them. When I was like
>b-but, you're j-jewi-
"I'M NOTHING LIKE THEM, PAL".
Israel might go alright though if they just revert to a secular dictatorship.
>implying munich central station isn't roach infested
I think you didn't made a joke ...you just told the truth.
If you want to hear a joke:
How do you calculate the maximum distance a jew can escape?
wind speed multiplyed with the chimney height
>secular dictatorship for israel
Might work but the problem remains. Religous people breed like rabbits.
So jeah: Democratic israel -->Secular dictatorship backed by the army -->religous boogaloo
might be a realistic szenario for the mid to far future
So we're going to see moderate israeli beheaders?