Why does this plane make people so angry?

R A G E

>>59978032
Because it doesnt work after countries invested fortunes into the damn thing

>>59978138

Look at the picture, it works just fine.

Fanboys are their BRRRRRRRRRT plane that don't know that it's not about fucking dogfights anymore. What's better, fucking top gun level dog fights or killing your enemy from a long range air to air missile attack?

Its a fucking horrible aircraft. My LO friends hate their lives, because anytime a panel is removed for work, they have to recoat the entire area to maintain its radar properties.
>fucking awful for maint crews

>>59978032
Because the last generation fighter can beat it in combat.

learn to discern

I can think of 337 million reasons.

>>59978253

you've never fucking flown the jet before you fucking faggot

>>59978253

>spend a couple days recoating for superior stealth that is ACTUAL stealth

Oh boohoo, baby.

>>59978254
Yeah, good dogfighting is the most important quality for a plane to have when there haven't been dogfights for over 15 years.

>>59978032

cuz there's a roachflag bumper sticker on it

>>59978254

the F-35 has longer fucking range. There's no point in an f-22 fighting in f-35 as both are hard to lock-on to. No doubt the F-22 would beat the F-35, but the F-35 can beat any other jet so long as it stays at a far enough distance. This isn't fucking top gun or fallout. War does change. We fucking use drones now more than multi trillion dolalr jets. Why risk losing a 300 million dollar jet?

>>59978253

That seems odd considering that the F-35 hasn't seen combat yet.

>>59978416
>I am omniscient

Tell me what my future is then faggot

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>>59978032

Because it is the most advanced fighter to be ever produced. The difference between F-35 and current fighters (except F-22 which also is inferior in some of it's sensors, intelligence gathering and communication web but superior in Radar detectibility in non-frontal areas) is larger than the fire control system Germans produced in WWI compared to Allied aircrafts.

It will simply change the power structure in the world as Russians are simply incapable of achieving the high tech needed to build someting similar. Japan and Korea will have clearair superiority over China, Turkey and Israel will continue their undisputed Air superiority over Middle East while Turkey will have the edge against Russia and Europe will protect/increase it's Air superiority over Russia.

>inb4 Pak-Fa

It's shit

>inb4 J-20

Nothing solid yet, they copied F-35 design pretty good but most military literate people are doubtful of China's ability to match NATO on high tech NATO equipment specially when they still can't produce a hjet engine worth a damn or need Israeli (US copied/stolen) tech for even 4th gen radars.

>>59978032
the countless threads about it on /k/ made me hate it
also it's more suited to be a boat

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>>59978032
>turkish flag on superior western technology

>>59978032
Fuck you piece of shit.
This thread is triggering the fuck out of my PTSD.
I'm going to call the cops on you and you will face 5 years in prison and a minimum $10,000 fine.
fuckyoufuckyoufuckyou

>>59978664

you will die one day. I don't know when or why or how, but you will die. It may be tomorrow. It may be today, hell it may be 50 years from now... but you will die.

>>59978621

Aircraft have maintenance performed after sorties.

There are aircraft operational in the states

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>>59978236
What the fuck is this word salad doing here?

>>59978254
I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you read a tabloid article about how it lost to the F-16 in a dogfight, the problem is that never happened.

In fact it has defeated the F-16 in every mock engagement they have had so far.

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>>59978032
because the f-22 was better.

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>>59978032
>Why does this plane make people so angry?
People hat every new military project because they expect a perfect project, all the while the government keeps changing what it wants when it wants it and how many it wants of them.

People forget about the F-16 development or the V-22 now that they are both in place.

>>59978760

But they haven't seen combat yet.

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>>59978253
>>59978760
You can stop making up stories. The RCS reducing material is baked into the surface.

>>59978838
They still need to be maintained after every flight, dildo

>>59978781
>word salad


A-10 fanboy I presume

>>59978961

I see the problem now. I replied to the wrong person.

This post: >>59978621

Was meant for this: >>59978254

Carry on.

>>59979074
Everyone is an A-10 Fanboy ;)

>>59978781
>grinder
>not valkyrie

women don't understand shit.

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I guess it makes me think about Sweden.

And that's terrible.

>>59979222
>>59979236
Madelyn every time...

>>59978032
Because it's not a next generation souped-up version of the SR-71 Blackbird or Avro Arrow.

F-22 > F-35

>>59979236

It's a shitty plane

The F-35 is a perfect replacement for that old heap of junk.

>>59978533
Thats what they thought when the F-4 came into service, it didn't have a cannon and suffered losses to the MiG-21s.

>>59978032
>real price and hourly cost still unknown
>real performances still unknown
It can be an utter piece of shit that cost 120M per unit and 50k per hour, or it can be superior to every other planes for 50M a plane and 5K per hour.

It is still unknown, even by Lockheed or the dod.

>>59978541
beat me to it

>>59978253
seems strange considering the stealth coting on the f22 and f35 is "baked in" and doesn't need to be re-applied sounds like either your lying, your friends are lying, or they are working an entirely different oldgen stealth aircraft alltogether

>>59979222
MADELYN PLEASE GOD MADELYN PLEASE GOD MADELYN PLEASE GOD MADELYN PLEASE GOD MADELYN PLEASE GOD MADELYN PLEASE GOD MADELYN PLEASE GOD MADELYN PLEASE GOD MADELYN PLEASE GOD MADELYN PLEASE GOD MADELYN PLEASE GOD MADELYN PLEASE GOD MADELYN PLEASE GOD MADELYN PLEASE GOD MADELYN PLEASE GOD MADELYN PLEASE GOD MADELYN PLEASE GOD MADELYN PLEASE GOD MADELYN PLEASE GOD MADELYN PLEASE GOD MADELYN PLEASE GOD MADELYN PLEASE GOD MADELYN PLEASE GOD MADELYN PLEASE GOD MADELYN PLEASE GOD MADELYN PLEASE GOD

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It's a fat, mass-produced, and shittier version of the F-22 Raptor fighter jet. It exceeds at nothing but is supposed to replace every other multi-role and support plane we have. The Navy fucking hates it and doesn't' want any if I recall correctly.

>MUH VERTICAL TAKE OFF

Is the only thing it has going for it. It's still isn't finished either and everyone's disappointed.

I'm far more interested in seeing what black projects we have for the next-generation stealth bombers.

>>59978032
Idk they flags on the side are all NATO?

>>59978818
F-22 is a fighter jet through and through where as the F-35 is a multi role aircraft.

>>59979495
The F-35 is not replacing the A-10, you can drop the lazy bait anytime.

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>>59979440

>Avro Arrow

Just let it go. The Delta Dart was faster anyway.

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>>59978204
Better than the UK's planes

>>59979669
AHAHAAHAHAHAHA KEKED AGAIN, FAGGOT

>>59979575
The vast majority of F-4s kills were with missiles, this includes F-4Es that had an internal gun.

And F-4s killed far more MiG-21s than vice versa.

>leading distributor of MiG parts

>>59978032
It sucks and cannot do anything better than what it's replacing. If it didn't have to be modified for MUH VTOL it wouldn't be so bad.

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>>59979840

>>59979764
>lazy bait

bait my ass

http://www.airforce-technology.com/features/feature46212/feature46212-3.html

>>59979242
She is named after a maneuver that she is good at.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN5jZCVbGK4

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>mfw Im in the airforce and i have to fly this piece of shit when its delivered

>>59980033
Could've nicknamed her blowjob too then, I'm sure she's good.

>>59979963
Name an aircraft it is replacing that is on par with it in any regard.

Make sure to compare appropriate versions of the F-35.

>>59979836
This guy crash everything he drive.

>>59979222
ashley and madelyn best.

>>59978032
Because its an overhyped, overpriced piece of shit?

>>59979747
It's meant to be but it isn't fir for purpose in terms of ground support. It's all a ruse to make sure we never put boots on the ground again cause if we did we'd have planes that couldn't help us if they wanted to.

>>59980039

out of 43,597 airmen in your airforce you think you out of all the other pilots get to fly the F-35?

>>59978032
Because it was built on broken promises.
A precursory google search would explain the common issues. You only brought this up here to leery enthusiasts and know nothing contrarions argue over it.
Long story short:
It's over cost
It was billed as a single jet to perform for three branches. That never happened.
It's capabilities were sold theoretically. Reality said otherwise.
A lot of countries bought into the hype. Most are asking for refunds now, and those that aren't are fighting buyers remorse.

>>59979222
roll

>>59980205
they are supposed to replace our f16s retard

>>59979222
None of them, they all look like selfie taking trash.

>>59979222
>tfw I get tori again

still wouldn't surprise me

>>59979986
How about an actual source?

>>59980368
WHY

I don't even play vidya

>>59979222
roll

>>59979222
None of these women are high test breeding material.

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>>59980205
>everyone in the airforce is a fighter pilot

>american education

>>59979222

Rolling

>>59979242
Callsigns typically are given to you by your squad based on some embarrassing shit you did. The goal is to make it sound cool to everyone else but you and the squad remember about the one time you really fucked up.

For example. My Navy buddy knew a guy with the callsign "DASH". Sounds reasonably cool. But its an acronym for Dumb Ass Shot Himself. A fun game to play is to try to figure out someones embarrassing moment based on their callsign.

>>59980192
That is a funny way of saying it is the best aircraft Canada can get for its money, thankfully your military is not going full retard like Dudeweed and is not automatically ruling it out of your CF-18 replacement selection.

>>59980314

France doesn't even fucking use the F-16

airman my ass

>>59979222
lol kayla is a tranny

>>59978032
18+ hours of maintenance per hour of flight, prohibiting the amount of sorties it can complete per month.

The F-22 takes much less maintenance, even though it is more expensive to maintain. It also outperforms the F-35 in many scenarios.

>>59980556
delete this

>>59980287

I'm seeing a lot of big claims being made without sources.

>>59980394

here you go

http://www.jsf.mil/program/index.htm

from them their fucking selves

Says .mil

as in military

you know, a trusted source


from the niggas that make them


>U.S. Air Force Multirole aircraft (primary-air-to-ground) to replace the F-16 and A-10 and complement the F/A-22

>>59979222
Might as well

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>>59980287
A cursory google search would tell you that you need to not read blogs that openly admit to wanting the F-35 to fail.

>>59980556
America, once again.

>>59980357

Chad would treat you so right you fucking faggot. no homo

>>59978032
It's like seeing a 2016 Ford Focus for $784,000,000 on the windshield and saying, "fuck YES"

>>59980693
>Modified: Thursday, September 08, 2011 10:31:37 AM

Your source is outdated, the A-10 is no longer going to be retired.

>>59979924
>And F-4s killed far more MiG-21s than vice versa.
in the vietnam war? Wrong

>>59979222
Poly

>>59980478

Ofc I know not every airmen is a pilot. I said out of all the pilots, read again.


I'm a fucking poolee

That's a recruit that has gone through MEPS

and is in the DEP


I know full well marine corps history and general orders and all the MOS

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Juan Point Five Trillion Dollars

>>59979222
jaylynn pls

>>59980805
No, that would be an FC-31.

>>59979222
>tfw I want madlyn
>tfw I'm a manlet
Life is suffering

>>59980526
That is probably the coolest nickname ever but just imagine CALLING VALKYRIE FOR AN AIRSTRIKE give me an erection.

For the cost of this plane's development we could have developed the technology for, and carried out the colonisation of Mars.

The US spent over a TRILLION dollars on a plane that's already having faults discovered, and it hasn't even been properly rolled out yet.

It's one of the biggest wastes of money in modern times.

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>Luddites mad about advancements in military technology

>>59980879
>Juan Point Five Trillion Dollars
Just shows to know you know nothing about the program lol.

>>59979718
>It's a fat, mass-produced, and shittier version of the F-22 Raptor fighter jet.

nobody can be this dumb

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>>59981053
>advancements

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>>59980693

>F/A-22

That's not even a real plane

>>59980845

The MiG-21 can only carry 2-4 missiles, or 2 bombs, plus gun. It has terrible range and it bleeds energy like crazy during turns. Nothing about it is better than the F-4.

>>59980957

Freedom isn't free, anon.

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>>59980845
MiG-21s shot down 37 F-4s of various models, just USAF F-4s alone shot down 66 MiG-21s.

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>>59981053
>advancements

>>59981143
Yes, it isn't free. But we still shouldn't be spending over a trillion dollars and over a decade of R@D on a faulty plane.

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>>59979222
ROLL

>>59981143


"The aircraft was variously designated F-22 and F/A-22 prior to formally entering service in December 2005 as the F-22A"

>>59980957
>The US spent over a TRILLION dollars

Thank you for letting us know you know nothing, the US has spent ~$50 billion so far on the F-35s development.

>>59981264
Again, no where near a trillion has been spent on the F-35.

Stop embarrassing yourself.

>>59981172
>B-52D

imagine how embarrassing it would be to get your fighter plane shot down by a heavy bomber with a gun sticking out of its ass

>>59981264

Faulty in what way? It's a huge upgrade over everything that it is scheduled to replace. Britain is even buying 100 of them. You even get to make the engines for the STOVL version. This is a team effort and you should be proud to be a part of it. We couldn't have done it without you.

>>59980835
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/f-35.htm

>The Air Force's F-35A version of the craft is a conventional takeoff and landing airplane to replace the F- 16 Falcon and A-10 Thunderbolt II. It will partner with the F-22 Raptor. The Marine Corps, Royal Navy and Royal Air Force need and want a short takeoff and vertical landing aircraft, dubbed the F-35B. The Marines want new aircraft to replace their AV-8B Harriers and F/A-18 Hornets. The British want to replace Sea Harriers and GR.7 Tornado fighters. The Navy's F-35C version of the plane is a carrier-based strike fighter to complement the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet. It will replace earlier versions of the F/A-18 as well as the A-6 Intruder, which already has left the inventory.

>>59981357
It's including the ridiculous cost of maintenence

>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning_II

>total program cost: $1.3trillion
>$590B for operations & sustainment in 2012

Tell me that isn't just a little bit too much

>>59979222
roll

>>59979222

rollin'

>>59981131
>>59981252

Yes, advancements your cuckold countries would never be able to enjoy if not for the benevolence and guidance of the United States. Even if the F-35 isn't perfect, it's an important step forward that every military must take routinely to remain relevant.

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>>59981542
>if I keep posting out of date articles I will somehow prove my point

Here is a hint, look up FY2016 budget numbers.

>>59981172
That graph is the sum of all actions against the MIGs not the Vietnam war alone

>>59981487
It's a great aircraft and is a major advancement, but the sheer number of problems and setbacks it faced at first, along with the massive over run of costs, just makes me think that it was handled very poorly.

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>>59981143
>>Nothing about it is better than the F-4.
>86 mig-21 vs 678 f-4 [spoiler]more were lost than any other type in service with any nation[/spoiler]
'murifats everytime!

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>>59981577
Here, let me help you as this is clearly above your cognitive level.

The number you are quoting is an estimate from 2012 of the entire lifetime cost of everything F-35 related. That means every dollar out to 2065, not every dollar that has been spent so far.

>>59981683

go fuck yourself, A-10 fanboy.

>>59978616
>Muh won't detect me and has a 100% hit chance
This meme, I swear..
And what if the F-35 fires the missile, make the plane visible to the enemy, the enemy counters the missile and engages into combat..? Will the F-35 use it's master dogfight skills to escape? Kek'd..

It's not fucking invincible you damn trash talkers.
The matter of fact is, 'Murica wasted billions upon billions on an aircraft that won't be able to use it's "entire force" against anyone important.
The extremely expensive plane will be used to bomb shitskins, just like the way cheaper planes like the F-15s, F-16s, etc etc. Have been doing for years.

>>59981948
No need for the insults, I actually didn't notice that. That seems a bit more reasonable, I was actually under the impression that that was the total costs AS OF 2012. My mistake.

>>59981683

>The defense
strategy depends on investing every dollar where
it will have the greatest effect, which the Budget
will accomplish through critical reforms that divest
unneeded force structure, slow growth in
compensation, and reduce wasteful overhead. To
direct investments toward a ready, technologically
superior force, the military must shed unnecessary
force structure now that ground combat
missions in Iraq and Afghanistan have ended.
Venerable weapons systems, such as the A-10
aircraft, have performed decades of service, yet
would now face survivability challenges against
a technologically advanced adversary. Therefore,
the Budget reproposes the retirement of this and
other systems, and directs the money saved toward
investment in the most capable, versatile,
and survivable systems to perform their missions.
The Budget also reduces overhead and waste by
continuing the initiative to reduce DOD’s major
headquarters’ operating budgets by 20 percent,
pursuing acquisition reform through the Better
Buying Power initiative, and proposing another
round of Base Realignment and Closure (BRAC)
to free resources currently consumed by maintaining
unneeded facilities. The need to reduce
unneeded facilities is so critical that, in the absence
of authorization of a new round of BRAC,
the Administration will pursue alternative
options to reduce this wasteful spending.

>>59981767
Sorry but no, it is just the Vietnam war.

>>59981673
>your cuckold countries
60% white population
>benevolence and guidance of the United States
With all the money thrown at that piece of shit we've coudve build our own industry

>>59979222
Rollin

>>59981964
Thank you for acknowledging you were wrong.

>>59982097
Firing a missile does not reveal your aircraft. This isn't some video game with quirks for game balance.

>>59981858

The F-4 was used for bombing missions, which means that it had to go into enemy territory and perform dangerous missions. The MiG-21 was never used for bombing missions because:

1. It had shit range because of the fuel tanks were poorly designed and make the entire airframe unstable (and not in a good way)
2. It could only carry two bombs, and it had to give up all missile slots just to do that, meaning that it would be defenseless if ambushed.

>>59979222
lets go waifu

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>>59982231
>4000% more whites in burgerland than clogger

>>59982300
Modern tech can track the missile and reveal the area where the enemy aircraft is located.
As soon as the missile leaves the plane, it's visible to the radars.

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>>59982187
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-21#Vietnam

>During the Vietnam war, VPAF claimed 103 F-4 Phantoms were shot down by MiG-21s,[55] and they lost 60 MiG-21s in air combat.[1]

>>59982122
>No need for the insults, I actually didn't notice that. That seems a bit more reasonable, I was actually under the impression that that was the total costs AS OF 2012. My mistake.

Yeah and you should feel shame for it.

Is critical thinking something people even do anymore?

>>59982097

The fuck would a swede know? When was the last time sweden ever went to war in the modern age? No ww2 fighting... and di you even fight in ww1? You have 0 experience whatsoever. And I fucking said that the F-35 is a Multi purpose JOINT STRIKE FIGHTER. It has the roles of all former aircrafts in one. Imagine being in the cover of darkness and being painted jet grey... no one can lock on. No one is going to be retarded enough to sally forth a flock of f-35s to intercept an enemies jet, no, they would sally forth an f-22 or f-16 accompanied by Drones. Drones pave the way for future aircrafts

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>>59982397
das it mane

>>59982417
Stop thinking real life works like it does in video games, a missile will not be detected by a radar as soon as it is launched.

And that is assuming the target is actively scanning, which reveals your position like a lighthouse in the night making you a target for passively guided weapons.

>>59982300

I didn't acknowledge it


you told me to read the 2016 fiscal year report so i did


>The defense
strategy depends on investing every dollar where
it will have the greatest effect, which the Budget
will accomplish through critical reforms that divest
unneeded force structure, slow growth in
compensation, and reduce wasteful overhead. To
direct investments toward a ready, technologically
superior force, the military must shed unnecessary
force structure now that ground combat
missions in Iraq and Afghanistan have ended.
Venerable weapons systems, such as the A-10
aircraft, have performed decades of service, yet
would now face survivability challenges against
a technologically advanced adversary. Therefore,
the Budget reproposes the retirement of this and
other systems, and directs the money saved toward
investment in the most capable, versatile,
and survivable systems to perform their missions.
The Budget also reduces overhead and waste by
continuing the initiative to reduce DOD’s major
headquarters’ operating budgets by 20 percent,
pursuing acquisition reform through the Better
Buying Power initiative, and proposing another
round of Base Realignment and Closure (BRAC)
to free resources currently consumed by maintaining
unneeded facilities. The need to reduce
unneeded facilities is so critical that, in the absence
of authorization of a new round of BRAC,
the Administration will pursue alternative
options to reduce this wasteful spending.


read it you goon

>>59979222
Rollin' for best girl Lizzy

>>59979222
Roll

>>59982521
Try reading the chart just below where you read that, it lists each MiG-21 kill.

>>59979222
roll for chad also checked

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>>59982521

>claimed

Heaven knows communists never exaggerate for propaganda purposes!

>>59978032
I see where I work!

>>59981107
F35 program estimated cost - 1.5 Trillion dollars up to 2055
NASA annual budget = 18b x40 to 2055 = 720b

>implying the project that has routinely been over budget and delayed will not exceed estimated costs
>implying development of a jet fighter would be more beneficial than colonizing mars

>>59982545
>No ww2 fighting... and di you even fight in ww1? You have 0 experience whatsoever.
What the fuck does that have to do with anything? Holy shit you're retarded.

> It has the roles of all former aircrafts in one.
So instead of using like 4-5 F-15s or F-16s you will use a much more expensive airplane to do a mission against a group of shitskins.. and you call this a good idea?
Go suck the jew money dick you mongoloid.

>>59982668
>Stop thinking real life works like it does in video games
Why are you repeating that? Have you ever heard of MAW-systems or anything related to that?
Are you just trying to look cool or what's the idea here?

>>59982767
yeah they cheery picked the period between 1966-1972 for 'convenience'. Not the whole war and not the time before they notice not installing a machine gun is a bad idea for dogfight. They also didnt count the loss by South vietnam airforce

>>59978675
The Roach knows what he's talking about, thread should have ended here.

>>59978138

It's not meant to stand on its own. It was meant to enhance the ability of the other planes it would accompany by being a jack-of-all-trades. Its place is to carry different payloads based on the plane it is supporting. It could be a dog-fighter or long-range ordinance defense. The trials highlighted in the piece most people site show that the F-35 couldn't outdo any other plane in what that plane was designed to do well.

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>>59982312
>meawhile mig-21 is the most-produced supersonic jet aircraft in aviation history and the most-produced combat aircraft since the Korean War [spoiler]and he ain't going away either considering pakistan is planing to replace their dogshit f-16 with updated version of mg-21 [/spoiler]and f-4 is a useless pile of junk used by absolutely no one

>Well we had to sell our horses and cut half our army to get these muskets, but it's totally worth it! Did you know just a single bullet to the head can kill a horseman? How could they ever compete with that? Cavalry BTFO!

>>59982880

It means that Sweden can't fight a war because you don't fucking know how war works. Your troops have generals with 0 combat experience. Your Marshals won't be able to lead your men into a pile of jihadi dog shits. Since you love muslims so much.

>>59983075
I bet you think the AKM is the best assault rifle ever made because they produced a lot of them.

>>59983137
>guns proceed to fucking dominate warfare from that day forward

>>59982300
>Firing a missile does not reveal your aircraft. This isn't some video game with quirks for game balance.
If you have to either have the missile
A:On the exterior of the plan
B:In a bay, so bay doors have to open to release the missile

Both alter its stealth characteristics

>>59983140
How war works? Getting stuck in 3rd world shithole and got BTFO by insurgence? We're talking technology not how to win war.

>people havent watched this video yet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtZNBkKdO5U

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>>59982819

>Implying that knowledge gleaned from the F-35 program isn't going to provide the key breakthrough leading to Mars.

>>59982880

The F-15 and F-16 are both badass fighters in their own way, but let's face it, they're both 40 years old now. It's time to start building replacements before it is too late.

>>59983075

The F-4 is still in use today as well. Turkey even has their own updated version called "The Terminator."

>>59982781
I honestly trust isis propoganda more then your "free" "media"!
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFWJI-eVL58

>>59980879
Source?

>>59983444
>The F-4 is still in use today as well
Not by the U.S., hell even the Jews dont use it anymore.

>>59983240
a few centuries later, you mean, after the tech was cheap, advanced and widespread. you might be confusing history with civ 5, its a common mistake.

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>>59983444

>be turkroach
>use terminator to fight exterminators

>>59983585

And Russia doesn't use the MiG-21 anymore.

>>59982672
Sorry I should have been more clear, I meant the FY2016 NDAA.

>>59982231
This desu. Or we could have prevented thousands of layoffs at Bombardier and made sure the C-series jets were delivered on time.

>>59983140
Jeez.. It's not about my damn country you autistic fuck, it's about me as a person with an educated perspective on things. Why would it matter if my country havn't been to war?
We are discussing the F-35 and it's use.

Just.. eh fuck. I give up. You make no sense at all.

>>59983444
>It's time to start building replacements before it is too late.
I always see this kind of defense, like the liberal center right party in Sweden. "We have to join NATO before it's too late".
US won't fight a war against an enemy where a highly advanced stealth plane would have to be using its stealth tech, for at least a decade.

The human built tech will evolve like crazy during the 2020s, so who knows what kind of anti-stealth tech or other things we will come up with. 'Murica will be developing a 6th gen aircraft as soon as the weapon companies wants more money.

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>>59978032
Because it's ugly?

>>59982939
>yeah they cheery picked the period between 1966-1972 for 'convenience'.

North Vietnam got its first MiG-21s in 1966, and South Vietnam never operated F-4s.

Going to keep grasping at straws?

Paid for with stolen monies.

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>>59983193
At least it doesn't shoot it's charging handle back in users face unlike your "undefeatable" m16!
>>59983444
>>Turkey even has their own updated version called "The Terminator."
Goatfucking faggots still use your plane?Wow i'm impressed **clapu clapu**

>>59983366
You know there is a 1 and a 3 as well right?

>>59983445
Except it was communist state media who claimed these "kill" stats. More than anyone, you know that under communism, all media is regulated by the state.
CNN is technically a private broadcasting channel.

>>59984582
Yeah ive seen them all. F35 really is a fucking game changer, right down to its capability to be used as part of the missile defence system

>>59984576
>At least it doesn't shoot it's charging handle back in users face unlike your "undefeatable" m16!

Poe's law, I cannot tell if you are simply pretending to be retarded or if you actually have no idea how the charging handle on an AR pattern rifle is set up.

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>>59984462

>'Murica will be developing a 6th gen aircraft as soon as the weapon companies wants more money.

Technically, 6th gen concepts are already being looked at, but there is a long road to production ahead. The F-35 means that the US won't actually need to adopt a new jet fighter until 2040, and even then the F-35 will still be in serivce for a while after that.

>>>59984576

>At least it doesn't shoot it's charging handle back in users face unlike your "undefeatable" m16!

What does that even mean?

>>59984868
And what missiles is it going to be shooting down, Anon?

ICBM's that can't even be hit by hardkill ABM's?

MIRV's?

Or how about the hyper-sonic cruise missiles in Kalinigrad or ASBM's.

Any missile a weapon carried by the F-35 can shoot down, is hardly a threat beyond it's domestic placement.

>>59984576
>AK can't even be fired after dropped into mud
Enjoy your tractor gun, Ivan.

>>59978032
Because it is going to cost as much as a better plane (F-22) that got canceled, and be half as good.

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>>59985107
It costs significantly less than the F-22 and is a better plane.

>>59984576
There's actually no way for the charging handle to do that from a mechanical standpoint

>>59985107

The F-22 didn't get cancelled, it is in service right now you silly goose.

>>59985220
It's worth noting that the F35's superiority is mainly in software, sensors, and avionics. A big part of development went into those, and the F22 will probably have an upgrade program somewhere down the line to incorporate them.

>>59979222
Rollin Rollin Rollin

>>59978616
Thank GOD that planes don't move fast, Right?
And the F-35 is SUPER fast, it can out run everything else out there, right? I've seen the movie "stealth" which was made on the real life stats of F-35......Ri-ri-rii-riiight Anon?

I work in the defense industry. Its generally viewed as a congressional project, successful only because LM has facilities in states with powerful defense related senators. (Saxy Chambliss in GA, etc).

I use the word "successful" loosely, its not successful in the real engineering sense of the word, but as far as congress and the pentagon are concerned ..."the moneys spent".

The next program like this will be the follow-on to the ohio class submarine. There are many shitty programs like this, you just dont see them because they are not as huge as the f35.

>>59978781
Fun fact: F-35 will never see combat.

I bathe in your tears.

>>59985503

Missiles move pretty fast too, anon

>>59985469
Fucking cuck

>>59978236
>dogfighting in an A-10

Absolute madmen

>>59984897
But don't you understand the concept behind my comment? Human tech are moving too fast. We have no idea how far the military tech would reach before 2025-2030.
For example, a quote from the chief of Cisco
>"We know 5 percent of what we will know in 50 years."
By ~2025, the first commercial quantum computer would hit the market. Etc etc.

Well.. My point being, our technology is moving very, very fast.
1945-2010 will be NOTHING against 2015-2025.
So that US would "not have to adopt a new jet fighter until 2040" is pure BS

>>59978032
because lots of monies

>>59982097
Check out this fucking fag

>>59985739
But I could do it in Ace Combat.

>>59978032
because its a broken plane that hasnt been proven superior to current jets in operation and even now the soviets have better planes.

>>59985628

>My dad works for Nintendo

Sure thing bro.

>>59985752

Oh, I'm sure they'll keep developing new concepts, throw ideas around, perhaps make a few models for testing. But there will be no new fighters introduced into service for a good while, especially not as a replacement for the F-35.

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>>59985628
Should have thrown in a working at Nintendo reference for more authenticity.

>>59986038
There's not a chance for us to keep in contact until mid-2020s, obviously. But keep both of our comments in mind until that date and I promise you that a new fighter will hit up the ranks in the US air force.

If of course nothing major happens to the world.

>>59980683
Unlike the F-35, which will
Be better that every other plane made and going to be made, ever.
Replace the:
>A-10
because planes that go slow, are fucking useless for CAS- Right?
>f16
Because going fast, is fucking useless for air-to-air
>Harrier
Because, being able to be deployed anywhere, at any time, and have a long loiter time is fucking useless, Right?
>F15
Because, being old and reliable is fucking useless, right?
> F22
because its stealthy, and can carry move missiles, while not "steathed". Because stealth is fucking useless right (ok maybe it is)
> F18
because turning AND shooting is fucking useless, right?

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>>59978032
ambitious research project turned money hole

according to our own wargames it won't be good enough to defend Taiwan and Japan from chinese forces with a relatively small ammount like they want yet they keep pushing it instead of making more/upgrading the planes that *do* work

If we hadn't agreed to not I'd say we should be putting up orbital weapons to supplement our growing naval arsenal.

>>59986371

I'm not sure what you're trying to imply. The F-15 and F-22 aren't going anywhere for a some time. There might be an F-15 replacement scheduled down the pipeline somewhere, but it isn't the F-35.

>>59978253
Your friends aren't working on f35s then.

The coating on the 35s is not painted on and it certainly isn't 'reapplied' during maintenance.

source: I designed components for that aircraft.

>>59981053
> Advancements

HAHAHAHAHAH AHAH HA HA HA ... har.

Tell me again how this is a next gen multi role fighter bomber strike cas vtol laser eyes orbital submersible death star.

This should be a YLYL.

>>59985950
Probably

>that one madman in Infinity who brings a Spitfire to fucking Avalon

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>>59986758
oh, and the 35s suck only because they're expensive. Should there ever be a need to reduce their cost it could be done at the drop of a hat. They're expensive because we like to be paid for our work.

>>59981487
Riddle me this.
Name the projects that cost the most, and had the highest number of people working on them, and then its combat record.
Same again, but the lowest budget, smallest number of people working on it, and then its combat record.

Compare.

Projects that cost a FORTUNE! and have every single able body man woman and child tied to it. Are SUPER popular, by companies, by people, by governments.
Not so much, by the armed forces that have to suffer them.

A low budget small team, yields the best results of PRODUCT, not vote winners.

I know which I would rather have.

>>59978032
>wasted billions
>fail all goals set for it

>>59978032
cos it's a piece of expensive shit with very limited use cases and murca's buddies are basically duty bound to bankrupt their militaries to pay for the fuckups of USAF and Lockheed.
Lockheed should be sent to the wall over this. Why are my taxes going to pay for this shit when we could steal some PAK FAs and improve them (not like russia gives a shit about IPR law)

>>59986718
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>>59981769
> major advancement

It isn't. Part of the problem is that its not even AS good, as the air frames its intended to replace. The only way people will even stomach it is they stop making parts for the current air frames and mothball as much of them as possible.

>>59982097
Notice how the murifats replies are
>>59982300
>>59982545
>>59985844

Hurr durr. he's a fucking swede, hur dur, he's a fag.

WELCOME TO 4chan FAG IS THE LEAST INSULTING THING YOU CAN CALLSOME.

> These Amerifats.
>>59985844
>>59985844

>>59987083
Should have just upgraded the F22 as would be normal practice - numbers up, unit price down, tech upgrades = actual long term weapons platform, instead we have this fucking shit that when Russia (and soon China) hack our tech secrets they can easily patch to their superior aircraft.

>>59987083

Okay, develop your own 5th generation strike fighter. I'm sure trying to do everything on your own will be SOOOOO much cheaper!

>>59986038
I don't care, keep posting from your moms basement, at least I'm not a NEET.

>>59987509
why the F22 totally outclasses the F35 except in systems (the VTOL is a fucking asshat idea).
The F22 could even potentially outclass the PAK FA with a large upgrade which would be a fuckload cheaper than the shithole F35

>>59986038
Seriously though, I've seen you post these threads numerous times. You're either a congressional staffer or autistic.

>>59978032
They hate us cause they ain't us 2bh

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>>59987804

>Complains about cost
>Suggests an even more expensive plane as an alternative
>Bonus points for country that invented VTOL calling it useless.

>>59987987
love your F-22 upgrade it and bomb truck imo

>>59985220
more F22s would mean cheaper prices and it's an outright better system. With upgrades it would be cheap and could stand it's ground against the Russians and the Chinese - the F35 will not be able to do it, it's soft/harware systems are a meme and any advantage will b lost and fitted to PAK FAs etc which are fundamentally better planes.

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>>59983075
It's a pity how fucking gay it looks though.

>>59979836
>>59980146

>Polish Plane
>Car Sabotaged

They're trying to assassinate him

>>59985332
nope, the F22 is going to be mothballed which is fucking retarded.
Welcome to the realities of protecting the Military Industrial profit margin - fucking insane.

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>russia 5th gen fighter is almost done but still development stages
>japan 5th gen fighter looks promising
>south korea is building one with indonesia
>china's fighter is almost done
>poo in loo india is building a fifth gen fighter

>we europeans have to buy this shit

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>>59988344

>the F22 is going to be mothballed

Perhaps in 2080.

>>59988012
VTOL in the F35 is even worse than the Harrier as it's shitty airframe makes it useless in highwind, CAS roles, sand/dust and choppy seas. We basically invented VTOL to cheapen our carrier costs whilst barely having some force-projection - you guys don't need to you've got like 50% of the worlds aircraft carriers.

>>59982231
>With all the money thrown at that piece of shit we've coudve build our own industry

Says the NATO freeloader.

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>>59988773

>as it's shitty airframe makes it useless in highwind, CAS roles, sand/dust and choppy seas.

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>>59978032

Because they dont understand modern aerial combat and think that it works like animes where something like a cobra maneuver would be useful.

also tfw the YF-23 might be coming back.

>>59986371
The F-35 is only replacing 3 of the aircraft you listed, and outclasses all 3 to an extent its stupid to even try to argue it.

>>59988626
seriously look it up. It's gonna end up being re-commissioned and miraculously at 10% of the current cost but only when at war and nobody questions the "why was this so expensive Lockheed... oh yeah cos you wanted to make us start a new program which would creep up in price indefinitely and make us recommend it to our friends too"

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>>59983075

The F4 phantom is an amazing aircraft that was used by Germany until like 2014

It even got some rafale kills.

>>59978032
its a multi-role plane but it does not excel being a fighter or a bomber. its probably an on-the-fly thing where theres instances that you need more bombers than fighters or vice versa and you dont have the time for production

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>>59988220
New one looks sexy as fuck tbqh!
>>59988405
Your money better spend on helping the "Syrian" refugees!
>>poo in loo india is building a fifth gen fighter
No they don't.They just signed contract with us for 172 su-50.Also South Korean is 4++ not 5th!

>>59988773
Good thing the VTOL variation is only going on Marine LHDs, which currently operate Harriers. The Air Force is getting the F35A and the Navy is getting the F35C.

>>59989001
It's VTOL cant take off in high seas, can attempt dynamic VTOL in bad weather, airframe makes it shit at CAS (systems try to alleviate this)

>>59978032
i dont know why but it's sexy as hell

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>>59989326

tfw russia has to half the price just to keep india interested

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-news-india/pm-modi-leaves-for-moscow-russia-offers-new-cheaper-deal-on-sukhoi-fighter-jets/

>>59989091

A 6th gen YF-25 replacing the F-15 when the time comes would be pretty baller.

>>59989217

>Look it up.

Nah, I'm not a fan of wild goose chases.

>>59989459

The Harrier and Harrier II already proved that STOVL is a valuable tool to have. The F-35B is just the next step in evolution.

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>>59988405
>russia 5th gen fighter is almost done but still development stages

It is questionable to call the PAK-FA 5th gen, it is a Flanker with a lowered RCS.

>japan 5th gen fighter looks promising

The Shinshin is a tech demonstrator, Japan is buying F-35s.

>south korea is building one with indonesia

South Korea lacks certain technologies that the US is not sharing, and is buying F-35s.

>china's fighter is almost done

The J-20 does seem promising, as long as China actually produces good engines.

>poo in loo india is building a fifth gen fighter

No they aren't.

>we europeans have to buy this shit

You should be happy you are buying the best of the lot.

>>59989217
If you had a source you would have posted it instead of saying look it up.

>>59989396
horses for courses but if you think the F35 is going to provide force projection against anything but shit tier countries then it'll be a rude awakening.
An F22 upgrade would have been better, even if it would have been less jobs for the defence industry.
And for you allies, we got shafted and we fucking know it.

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>>59989707

It's been proposed as an interim bomber

>>59989326
>No they don't.They just signed contract with us for 172 su-50.

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-news-india/pm-modi-leaves-for-moscow-russia-offers-new-cheaper-deal-on-sukhoi-fighter-jets/

>A senior IAF official said, “We are not in favour of the FGFA. The PAK FA fighter is too expensive at even this rate, and we are not sure of its capabilities.”

>>59989937
>if you think the F35 is going to provide force projection against anything but shit tier countries then it'll be a rude awakening

That is not saying much for the aircraft the F-35 is replacing, as they are inferior in all relevant measures to what you are asking.

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Chair Force fag reports as ordered

The place us gated because it's a big fat fucktard. It's like the navy marines and af all wanted different things and the dod took a standard airframe and adapted it to ea ch branch. And it's a homer car for each branch. Instead of being several thousand of these little cheap stealth backups to a few thousand f-22's we get a fat nignog plane and the pilot can't see behind him because it's fat. Not cheap, not gonna get that many. Also stealth coating sucks, it ruins airplane fixers lives all the time. 12 hour shifts at home station for 6 months? For a fucking fast toy. It and it's choking big brother f22 were designed for the Cold War. It's been 30 years since these were needed. We kill our enemies by outspending them and bankrupting them. With cool looking shit. FUCK BREAKFAST!

Ask Americans why you cannot buy a F-22 modified for ground strike. I would demand F-22 as replacement for the bloated F-35 contracts.

>>59989831
>it is a Flanker with a lowered RCS.
F-35 is just a freestyle with some shit plastered on it.

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>>59989937

Russia and China ARE shit-tier countries. I don't see the issue.

>>59990645
>ask Americans why they do not make the more expensive plane even more expensive for no benefit

>>59989902
the production line was broken down years ago (mothballed) and it's all in some old shipping containers in the Sierra Army Depot and the electronics haven't been updated in design since the 80s.. what more do you need to know.
There was an F22A which did some upgrades but it wasn't a proper version upgrade

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>>59990724
You are just going to have to learn to deal with it.

the kerning between the A and the V is too tight

>>59990724

Freestyle?

>>59990835
Still waiting for you to provide proofs that there is any plan to mothball the F-22.

>>59990645

Because we don't want a repeat of the F-14 fiasco

>>59978032
Because Sweden somehow made a cameo on the tail fins and didn't have to pay anyone for it

>>59990816
Only because you dont make an Export model. PPU would drop significantly if you were to export it.

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>>59990997
The Yak-141, a supersonic VTOL fighter in development when the Soviet Union fell.

Lockheed gave them a bunch of money in the early 90's to finish development in trade for a look at their work.

This is in turn used to claim the F-35 is based on the Yak-141, despite the aircraft having massive differences and that Lockheed patented their VTOL system before ever working with Yakovlev.

>>59986718
>>59989121
>>59989831
>>59989902
>>59990277
>>59990488
>>59990816

You protest too much, the F35 might have a couple of software and hardware advantages but these are just minor things, sensors & algorithms etc, which will get stolen and improved upon.
The PAK FA (and the perhaps even the J20) would even shit on the F22 not mention the F35.

>>59989831
>You should be happy you are buying the best of the lot.
The rafale?

Comparing US aircrafts to Russia aircrafts reminds me of debating what Starcraft race is better. "Scouts #rekt mutalists." "yeah but you can make way more mutalists for the money." Yeah but that means you need more expansions, which you can't have if the terran is sieging you." "Yeah but terran siege tanks mean you have less money for air superiority."

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>>59989635
>>59990277
>mfw canada pullout from f-35 program will cost you billions of dollars

>>59991411
>stop refuting what I say

Ok.

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>>59984576
>brag about literal goat fucking jihadis (pakistan) using recycled slav shit
>get booty blasted by turdks doing something... again

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>>59991452
all of that french war tech that's been so successful over the last century.

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>>59991452
Get back to us when the Rafale finally can mount a gimped Meteor and actually have a BVR missile.

>>59991554
Canada is still going to buy the F-35.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/sajjan-refuses-to-rule-out-f-35-from-fighter-jet-replacement-competition-1.3375507

>>59991587
sorry ;-)
just shitty when your own country gets rid of troops and shit but wants to buy this fucking lemon.

>>59991554

gets beat by an f4 phantom

>>59991554

Canada has already gone back on refusing the F-35

>>59990898

That photo actually shows some pretty significant changes anon. If anything, it proves they're very different aircraft.

>>59991184

I'm honestly not sure WHY congress wouldn't allow the F-22 to be exported. But the F-35 is cheaper for our allies and actually better in some ways, so it all worked out.

>>59991411

>You should never upgrade because the other side might eventually catch up!

That's exactly why you never stop upgrading for too long!

>>59991554

>Implying that Canada isn't gonna end up picking the F-35 anyway.

Bro-tier Sikhman has already said he won't block the F-35 from being entered for consideration. By the time that happens, any remaining bugs in the system will be gone and the F-35 will win easily.

>>59980683
http://www.businessinsider.com/here-are-all-the-problems-with-the-f-35-that-the-pentagon-found-in-a-2014-report-2015-3
http://m.military.com/daily-news/2015/07/28/air-force-secretary-acknowledges-wide-range-problems-f35.html
http://www.pogo.org/our-work/straus-military-reform-project/weapons/2015/leaked-f-35-report-confirms-deficiencies.html?referrer=https://www.google.com/
http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/07/14/pentagons-big-budget-f-35-fighter-cant-turn-cant-climb-cant-run/
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/425635/f-35-latest-problems-ejector-seat
https://medium.com/war-is-boring/test-pilot-admits-to-f-35-can-t-dogfight-cdb9d11a875
http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/07/disastrous-f-35-vs-f-16-face-off-was-also-a-battle-of-philosophies/
http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/07/disastrous-f-35-vs-f-16-face-off-was-also-a-battle-of-philosophies/
You can early look this all up. The fatty that you are begging for debate here shows you simply aren't willing to look up facts.

>>59978032
That looks like an F-22
Also, people hate it because they're jealous. Worth every fucking penny and then some.

>>59991770
Bong, your country just did a massive increase on its military spending.

And you are replacing your Harriers with F-35B's, you are going to actually have top of the line fighters in your carriers for the first time in half a century.

>>59985641
That's what they said about the F-22...
Fuck off England. The world would be better off if you all committed mass suicide.

>>59991554
inb4 proofs
>http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadas-pullout-from-f-35-program-will-boost-costs-for-other-nations-by-as-much-as-1m-per-jet
>yfw you have to dance around in front of THE FUCKING LEAF just so they would buy your worthless plane
>http://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/f-35-in-a-canadian-fighter-jet-replacement-competition

>>59991728
Get back to me when we actually need them for more than a parade.
They were obsolete in 2k already.
Drones's where we need to invest in.

>>59991896
>POGO
>war is boring
>arstechnica

How about some sources that are not known to want the F-35 to fail.

>>59992076
Are you that slow that you did not notice the 3 separate anons pointing out Canada is still buying F-35s?

>>59992076

>>59991728
>>59991792
>>59991836

also

>>59991896

Saying the F-35 loses a close quarters dogfight with one of the best close quarters dog fighters in history is ridiculous

It's like getting mad at a sniper for losing to a CQC expert when you lock them in a small room.

>>59983075
Hahaha, Pakistan. They're probably doing that(if they are and youi're not just making that up) because its cheaper when you can fix your plane from parts at the local junkyard. The Mig 21 is a piece of shit and you know it.

>>59992263
Its moot when that dogfight never happened.

>>59992163
You mean you only want to read articles from fan boys.
Also, I listed other sources. They're saying the same thing.

>>59991896

Excuse me, but all these "sources" appear to be from 2015. The current year is 2016. Those articles are a year old and thus wildly out of date.

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>>59992053
>tfw your country doesn't even have an active carrier.....

>>59978204
this

>>59978032

>Lockheed Martin

war mongering Jews

>>59992053
>>59992525

but is buying a load of shit tier planes.

>>59992375
Making false claims or regurgitating long debunked lies does not make a valid source, I would suggest reading articles from neutral sites.

>>59980146
Quick, someone put a steering wheel on the planet

>>59992123
basically this

>>59992525
And soon you will have two.

>>59978673
Schools already get much more than all the money they need, better talk to the board of education for it.

>>59992285
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgHNtzxO0y8

>>59979352
I know of what you speak but where is my little perfect goth girl?

>>59992714
hopefully with 600 drones not 20 F35s.
Russkies will soon start shipping s400s which totally remove advantages of the F35 and are cheap as shit en mass. So it's a game of numbers again - some will get through, some wont, better if they're not $200m each to by and run.

>>59993087
S-400 missiles are not a magic force field.

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>>59993087

S400s are easy desu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPXWJzsGQaQ

>>59993087
Russia continuously lies about a lot of their missiles to the point where I wouldn't be surprised if most of them were entire fabrications.

I don't know why they do it either since they clearly don't need to, but they do.

>>59993363
As a kid, do you think you ever bragged about something that you knew you couldn't do simply to get people to admire you? It's the same principle.
You get every military to think "Oh wow these guys are some pretty serious business" and it's better for you overall. That is of course until you get proven to be full of shit and the facade comes crashing down.

>>59993270
nope s300 is easy if you have totally uptodate systems but the s400 is not also the s500 takes out the gps satellites covering the theatre making all of these largely moot.