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>family owns lands since the 1870s
>fed has wanted your land for years to turn into a wildlife reservoir (i.e. make money)
>never sell to them regardless of their constant jewry
>2001, routine bush fire on property
>tell fire department beforehand, accidentally 100 acres of federal land, put it out yourselves
>2006, lightning storm starts bush fire on your property
>start backfire to push it away from your private property
>cops show up next day and press charges , go to court
>get tried and convicted, sentenced to a year in jail
>go to prison for roughly one year
>get let out, government says you've served your time
>2011, feds want your land again, still won't sell
>feds issue re sentencing convicting you of domestic terrorism
>minimum of 5 more years in federal prison
>now convicted of terrorism and must serve 5 more years in prison
>150 men and women strong armed milita with tons of ex-military occupy gouverment building
>boolicker liberals call them terrorists, don't look into what happend
>claim if they would be muslim or black they would be treated like terrorists so they can do their moral circle jerk and make it about race
>some are so tolerant to want these rednecks to be murdered by the feds (you don't negotiate with terrorists suddenly)
>paid /pol/ shills call them traitors, ignore them
#BlackLiesMatter are extremely butthurt over this on Twitter
>omg they haven't shot them yet because they're white
>if they were black they would have already bombed them
>police aren't doing anything because they're white men with guns but if it was a black kid with a toy gun he's shot instantly
Again, just friendly reminder that people in the US are not afraid to fight for what they believe in, whether it be right or wrong.
No. Because the Black Panthers did the exact same thing in Washington. On the steps of the Capitol Building, no less.
Another pic of the Black Panthers in the California State Capitol.
Yeah, OP I was on flippboard and I seen it, made a comment and 4 liberals try to make me look like an idiot. I commented again that cattle grazing is a natural to mammals to be healthy.
Liberals said their terrorist and need to be arrested, I told them look around the world and even in our own country we have 4 states that are crtitcled by storms and the settlement's are hardly being rebuilt. I've never seen such shame from liberals.
Remember when armed black lives matter patrolled the streets and threatened to kill cops over Ferguson and shit? No?
"oink oink bang bang a pig is a pig that's what I said, the only good pig is a pig that's dead"
Peaceful protest guys, move along. Just expressing their constitutional rights :^)
Upstanding black citizens.
What about when they "occupied" a police station with guns and threatened to kill police again over Sandra Bland, who is confirmed to have killed herself. Lmao
JUST A PEACEFUL GATHERING OF NOBLE UPSTANDING AFRICAN AMERICANS EXPRESSING THEIR 1ST AND 2ND AMENDMENT CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS
Why are liberals and the news so fucking stupid?
>burn stores down
>loot for months
>set fire to cars
>shootings break out
>do all crime just about
>dont blame them!
>white people do 1/1000th of that
>WHITE DOMESTIC TERRORISM!!
The liberal's claim the militia are terrorists I also said to look more in the views of the militia. The first comment I did was /pol/ tier over 9000, on the article on buzzfeed.
OP, the way you word some of that greentext is wrong. You seem to imply it only happened twice when this is the fourth time their negligence has caused fires. Also you state they are being tried as terrorists when that isn't the case.
> i'm crying now
> white privilege is too real
> one retweet
> by the person that took the screenshot
One day we're going to find out that Twitter is nothing but Shaun King and five guys pretending to be black.
Okay six guys pretending to be black.
I love how all these liberal sjws complain about militarized police, but now there all for "bringing in the drones and sharpshooters, and rolling in the MRAPS AND BEARCATS.
The hypocrisy is staggering.
Is there any reason he shouldn't go to prison? The only court decision I can find which says he cant was a first district opinion, where Sutherland wrote that the court could shorten/reduce but not extend/increase time or fines served *after* the court had prescribed punishment. But Oregon is in the ninth district so there is no jurisprudence.
And don't give me that creeping facism bullshit. Unfortunately, his fire burned public land and there is a law against that.
And he also went to jail for it.
But now they want to charge him with "terrorism." Because poaching deer, starting a wildfire, going to jail for it, and paying the fine when you get out are all terrorist activities, amirite?
No it's all perfectly legal. Shitty, but legal. The only case he has against it is that your resentencing must be within 2 weeks of the initial, but his waiving of his appeal might have screwed that over.
I think they make a valid point, which is that if they were black, force may already have been used.
See: MOVE Bombing in Philly, 1985
Whether or not you hold it against them, blacks feel oppressed from many directions and will co-opt any issue to use as a platform
under rated post. fuck you guys for not having a sense of humor.
here, a trump pic. i'm done with these threads.
>nigs implying they were bombed or shot when they shut down an international airport for christmas
>nigs implying having a weapon gets them shot, not their aggressive demeanor
>nigs implying toys get their kids shot because they're black, not because they manipulated it to look real then proceeded to point it at everyone including police with their cold monkey stare
> Barren desert being somebodies responsability rather than just a complete free for all
> Forest service leasing land and controlling harvests rather than allowing mass clearings and market floodings by out of state / foreign companies
Literally the entire point of a government, doing things that aren't profitable on the short term but service public interests overall
I'm not going to support you niggers if you keep bringing that fucking Cuckfederate shit up
He's a /pol/ comedian. He reads the stuff here and says them on stage and is basically being an asshole to people in the audience. I don't think it's funny.
Whenever there is a happening with alledged white supreacists /pol/ spams twitter saying it was all him/he is the leader.
It just evolved.
I posted this in the last thread but...
>family owns lands since the 1870s
You forgot to mention how the land was given to them for pennies by the US government from the Homestead Act(s).
These people are so fucking entitled they think they deserve to use this land (which they don't own) for free without paying the owners (in this case, the Federal Government/taxpayers). It's really embarrassing how they think their freedumz are being violated. It reflects poorly on honest people who try to reform taxes and government overreach from within the system.
White skin didn't save anyone at Ruby Ridge or Waco, nor did it save the kids at the Kent State shootings. The entire "white skin protects you from the law!" thing is a myth. Bundy got away with what he did because he brought overwhelming force and gave the feds the option to stand down. Basically the reason these guys haven't gotten a visit from the cops yet is because Burns Oregon has maybe 12 law enforcement officers and there's at least 100 of these guys.
HELLO FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. THERE IS A HOSTILE ARMED MILITIA THAT HAS TAKEN OVER A FEDERAL BUILDING! Anyone home? Anyone interested? Where is the Army or Marines? Is this allowed because they are cowboy hat wearing white folks? They want guns, show them yours and how well your work! Stop this madness! I believe the leadership of the militia are the entire group of Republican Candidates advocating the overthrow of the federal government! MAKE THEM AN OFFER THEY CAN'T REFUSE. Confiscate their guns
>They're being charged under an anti-terrorism law.
No they aren't. There is no second charge, the first judge did not sentence them to the mandatory minimum sentencing and when it went to appeals they bumped it up to the minimum 5 years. He is being charged with Use of Fire to Damage and Destroy US Property
You have to file an appeal in typically 90 days, this is some next level gray area legal bs. They already served were convicted and served their time, thats double jeapordy enough for me, even if it is legally applicable, doesn't make it right, or even a good idea.
Activate the Army at Fort Lewis under the Insurrection Act of 1807 and order them to disperse.
All rebels must hang.
See, the black lines represent the two sides, the white sides, while the space inbetween represents the invisible black minority, not present to the current issue but ever present to all issues.
The white space black men are always affected by the black line white mens conflicts whether they are present or not because they are the inbetween, you get it honky?
If you do, you can eliminate your negative effect on the black community by not having conflict with your government, corporations, foreign countries or entities that want you dead, etc.
Just stop tackling problems like we do.
Well Obama committed high treason multiple times when he armed everyone from Mexican cartels to Islamic rebels without congressional approval. Then there's Hillary keeping top secret shit on her private server in between taking money from foreign governments through her charity foundation. Treason effectively has no meaning anymore.
> You can be punished for a crime before being tried
Are you fucking retarded
If you don't post bail they keep you in jail if they think you might not show up for trial, that time is usually counted as "time served" if you get a sentence
Catch and release is the most ineffective worthless liberal shit, they force us to do in California and you end up with DEAD PASTORS
They found him wandering around the church muttering about death and hate, brought him to the courthouse and found meth on him, but prop 47 says no violent crime = no jail so they let him out... walked 5 blocks back to the church and smashed his head in with a brick before filling the guys mouth with kindling and setting his head on fire.
Don't fall for the "bootlickers" meme, cops may be bad but the alternative is far worse. It's like syria, assad sucks but ISIS sucks more, who do you want in control, who do you want to negotiate with?
A picture of suspect Sam Hyde after brutally mowing down pedestrians at #mizzou
I agree he may have standing under the 8th amendment, but the fact of the matter is that SCOTUS more or less said they werent going to hear the case. So either congress must make a law, or the district judges ruling stands.
Personally I don't have a problem with it. The real issue is that he wanted his cattle to be able to pass through federal land freely. He wanted to use another entities property for free. That makes him a nigger
For those of you who don't know this is another operation spearheaded by the infamous racist nazi Ben "Dead niggers don't float" Garrison who is now going by the name Sam "Kick a Kike, Win a Prize" Hyde.
Horrible person. Downright dreadful.
So what you're saying is that if Alberto sells or even gives my family a plot of land in 1870, the Barbosas are entitled to that land a hundred years later? I don't think that is how it works and I'm not sure what you're arguing there.
What do blacks have to do with this? If these were armed blacks or muslims taking the building hostage they would have been gassed or shot hours ago. Since they are white this illegal armed occupation is "peaceful" and just some good old guys sitting around in a cabin. Fuck this shit. They're terrorists and I hope they get whats coming. They should be treated like the criminals they are.
He's arguing that because the land was "given" to them over 100 years ago that makes them welfare whores, even though they have paid taxes/ used their blood sweat and tears to carve out a living for their family.
Activating the army over this would open up a whole new can of worms, there would be a significant risk of desertion or insubordination. Guess who tends to join the military? Working class white people with right wing tendencies, plus a good chunk of Bundy's people are vets themselves so they'll know just what to say to press their buttons. Basically you're sending in the army to shoot a bunch of guys waving the American flag. It'll have to be one of the alphabet soup agencies backed up by the National Guard, letting the army do this is a good way to find yourself with a much bigger problem the next day.
Okay, maybe I was a little harsh on them earlier. Being in a Ranger Station in the middle of nowhere must be boring.
I suggest sending a copy of pic related to stave it off.
Actually, massive faggot, regardless of your level of understanding it has a very exact meaning, which our president does not and has not ever fit:
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in LEVYING WAR against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort.
as in raising an armed militia and taking over federal lands.
Treason, by definition, as defined by the constitution.
CHECKMATE, IMPOTENT MILITIAFAGS
This is becoming a racially segregated political issue because black people largely live within cities and suburbia and affect policy within those regions. As a result they have little empathy for a rural herdsmans plight. By trumping up the racial factor in this fiasco, the Feds are able to gain support and outcry against these militiamen. If they handle it poorly then it's likely they would be out of a job once the presidential cabinets reshuffle.
This issue at hand is primarily about land use rights and the government interfering with both the private sector and established legal precedent safeguarding a persons home. This is also an election year and an armed rebellion or another waco fiasco could drastically swing election talking points. This is very bad for certain federal agencies such as the bureau of land management which probably wouldn't survive unscathed if there were serious journalist inquiry.
Hillary couldn't be tough on guns if Americans thought that their homes could be taken from them. No candidate could be soft on big business if BLM files reveal some dirt between them and big business at the cost of peoples homes and livelihoods.
What if instead of the governments land, it was Donald Trump's land. Would he have a right to use Trump's land for free?
If not, why can he use the federal governments? Its not "public land." Its federally owned land.
You can say this is bad, but the alternative is that people can walk inside nuclear launch facilities
There are good reasons for the government to own some land
Yes, because the government are acting like tyrannical faggots that makes the 200+ years of limited government theory obsolete.
>HOLY SHIT HE LOOKED UP THE DICTIONARY DEFINITION. 1/1
>BUT DID HE CHECK TREASON LAWS? 1/2
STATUS - UNIFORMED PLEB.
>tfw rabidly pro-gun and generally in favor of c u c kolding the government
>tfw not sure if this is a false flag
>tfw quite fond of federally protected wilderness generally ("over 50% of Western land is federally owned as compared to less than 3% of Eastern land"--yes, well, if you wanted to live in Ohio you could live in Ohio, but Utah is the way it is largely because so much of it is owned by the BLM)
I dunno, brehs. What would Edward Abbey do?
I know how New York must feel being held hostage by their shitty fucking Jew City full of kike shills and horrible vermin.
Please for God's sake when the secession happens wipe out every single living being in Portland and anyone who flees it. Wall off California and give it back to the Mexicans but do not let a single soul back into this country from that shithole.
I don't like Teddy Roosevelt.
Any other strawmans you would like you introduce?
What is this? I don't even...
Again it seems like it's less that they're white and more that they outnumber current law enforcement in the area by like 4 to 1, it would be suicidal for the local police to try and force them out right now. The feds are going there tomorrow, if somethings going to happen it'll happen then.
>giving enemies aid and comfort
Like arming them?
True Tennessean here. We've owned the same land since 1805. My Great-Great grandfather was in the Confederate army.
Akers Battery, 1st Tennessee Heavy Artillery.
South Will Rise again. I will fight and die for it.
Can't get much more American than forming a militia to push back gov't overstepping its boundaries.
I don't know, the parts they say he's violating seem pretty simple to not break.
>a. failure to obtain prior approval for surface disturbing work;
>b. noncompliance with rules and regulations;
>c. noncompliance with the terms and conditions of the allotment management plan and fire plan
Except they haven't owned that land since 1908, so they really only owned it for 38 years.
So you have no idea about the specifics of the case, and yet are spouting off idiocy to people who do? After the family refused to sell their land, the BLM forced licencing fees so obscene they made his business unprofitable.
They also refused to upkeep the land, which lead to invasive species growth which had to be cleared by a controlled burn.
This is a pretty obvious example of government overreach and corruption.
>I don't know, the parts they say he's violating seem pretty simple to not break.
maybe what I read was bullshit but it sounds like lightning started a large fire right nearby so they started small controlled fires to keep that area from going up in flames
and nothing on federal property was damaged
they were just being dicks
>dont you love it outside!
>look at all the grass!
>and look, more grass!
>and some trees
>and we're outside
>and its fun
>this is fun, isn't it?
>being surrounded by nothing?
> commit arson
> first judge sentences incorrectly
> government appeals
> get sentenced correctly
> TYRANNY! MUH LIBERTY! MORON LABE!
So fucking tired of these retards. Call in the National Guard, order them to leave. When they refuse, "evict" them with helicopter gunships as an example to the other Gadsden flag waving dumbasses that their pretend military gear doesn't mean shit against an actual army.
They don't own the federal government land they're currently occupying. They're protesting that they should be able to use these federally owned lands because they're entitled to them.
Of course they can do whatever they want on their own land. No one has taken that right away from them. But if you set your land on fire and it spreads to someone else's, you're held liable. Makes perfect sense to me.
So are we just supposed to never question the government?
Are we just supposed to let our "leaders" do back room deals with corporations and sell out the american people more and more?
Are we just supposed to let our government tax things to the ground, and enact unfair fees, and taxes, and license it to death?
There is no freedom left in america, when do people stand up fight?
When is it ok for people to say "FUCK YOU FEDS"
The best jobs these days are working for the government, its a sad state of affairs when our young people seek out government jobs over private business, or starting their own business.
Fuck the police state, fuck the jew controlled money, fuck the crooked politicians, fuck the evil as FUCK corporations.
We are literally running out of resources, animal populations around the world are plummeting and have been for the past 2 centuries, yet we continue on the way we do.
We are headed for self-destruction unless we take a stand.
>So you have no idea about the specifics of the case, and yet are spouting off idiocy to people who do? After the family refused to sell their land, the BLM forced licencing fees so obscene they made his business unprofitable.
I don't know, I'm reading the case files right now on both the original case, the resentencing and the civil case between BLM and the Hammonds. Have you read the case files?
That was only one fire, their negligence has caused 4 fires over the course of 7 years. The lightning one is only one of them and the court found that one to have caused under 100 dollars worth of damage
It is when your criminal negligence causes it to spread to federal property
Their "controlled burn" spread to someone elses property
Cry about it
To be completely honest, I dont know what world these ranchers live in where they think you can burn acres of someones property and just call it an "accident"
>b-but muh race war muh REBELLION against TYRANNY muh Thomas Jefferson
>p-people will support us the government stands no chance
Told you fags. There will be no uprising and isolated incidents will be crushed by the feds with overwhelming approval from the masses. Any group, which will try to resist will be branded 'domestic terrorist' by the MSM and social media.
Forget about it.
I hope someone sends your grandfather to prison for 5 years over some stupid shit faggot.
>overwhelming approval from the masses
>niggers and faggots
Have you looked at statistics lately?
>"I'd rather be surrounded by millions of people in tiny rooms who never talk to each other than by pure, unsullied nature"
>"This is fun, right guys??"
>"Being surrounded by husks of people who wish they could leave the city?"
You know, for a militia to challenge the government in this way...they have more balls than any other patriots in America. This is literally what America was founded on.
>be tried for the same bullshit crime twice
>by 2 different judges
>do your time the first time, get called back and ordered to serve more time because cops want your land
>not double jeopardy
this is probably one of the worst cases of double jeopardy i have heard about in a while
If thats your definition of, "The worst case of double jeopardy," you have ever heard, then you must consider every case which has ever had an appeal, "The worst case of double jeopardy," you have ever heard of.
>gets rekt so hard he has to resort to trolling
>Ammon Bundy said the goal is to turn over federal land to local ranchers, loggers and miners. He said he met with 10 or so residents in Burns on Friday to try to recruit them, but they declined
They were convicted of their crime dumbass, please read the court documents before you post next time. I can post links to them if using google is too hard for you.
>has no idea about government land-grabbing
Pic related. It's you.
I'm sure the govt was dicks. But I have zero empathy for the Bundy clan
Burning hundreds of acres of someone elses land in an attempt to cover up another crime is criminally negligent.
they are being master rusemen
You can't even read your own citation you insufferable faggot.
The occupation came shortly after an estimated 300 marchers — militia and local citizens both — paraded through Burns to protest the prosecution of two Harney County ranchers, Dwight Hammond Jr. and Steven Hammond, who are to report to prison on Monday.
>controlled burns on your private land to prevent fire from federally controlled lands from killing you and your livelihood
These shady ass feds probably started the fire hoping it would wipe them out anyway for all we know, lightning be damned.
If something happens to them the land goes to BLM, if they can't pay the bullshit fines the land goes to BLM, if they try to sell they have to sell to BLM for pennies.
BLM is getting that land one way or another and they weren't above flooding people out or getting them charged as terrorists, with potential death penalty, to do it.
>You know, for a militia to challenge the government in this way...they have more balls than any other patriots in America. This is literally what America was founded on.
yeah this country wasnt founded on pussy ass fucking state workers driving their brand new leased cars drinking 8.99 coffee and feeling entitled to everything with their bachelors degree from a state funded school.
We wanted to get away from oppressive government, and now we have become one of the most oppressive governments ever.
the government doesnt care about its people, it would rather mass spy on its citizens for whatever means it sees
fuck the police state, fuck jew bankers, fuck our "leaders" who drive this country into the ground
there is no freedom, there is only oppression by our tyrannical government
i dunno about yall but im STILL pissed my house went down almost 100k in value for LITERALLY NO REASON after the big bank created housing bubble. You know why banks do that? So they can buy up cheap land and gain more control. What does our governement do? Bail them out with billions of tax payer dollars.
if there was an armed revolution in my lifetime i would stand up and fight.
Again, I'm not sure what you're getting at. You were given a land so that you could prosper, pay (more) taxes and better the economy; of course, the expectation people had of you back then was that you were going to raise cattle, poach and do some farming. But then the Federal Government starts acquiring a bunch of land to turn into "wildlife preserves" and you are unable to go about your cattle raising and poaching. Couple of questions:
Fucking why does the Fed. Gov. even needs that land for?
Even if they do need it, how does it excuse them from exercising a bit of common sense?
This is still retarded, could easily put the old man on probation/parole, and his son, instead of taking away years from the both of them. Wanting to lock up non violent people is just stupid.
The liberal is getting it from liberal media.
>Prosecutors said the Hammonds set a fire that burned about 130 acres in 2001, to cover up poaching. They were sentenced to five years in prison.
>The Hammonds, who are set to turn themselves in Monday afternoon, have said they set the fire to reduce the growth of invasive plants and to protect their property from wildfires, CNN affiliate KTVZ reported.
Because burning land someone hides a person from grabbing a gun and shooting wildlife out of season.
The evidence was presented in the original trial, and is in the case files. There were *four* separate incidents with "controlled" burns. The Bundys have used that fact to create confusion around their story, leading some to believe they never damaged BLM land
>lets just allow banks to single handed destroy the market for literally everyone so they can cheaply and quietly buy up all the land
>i know, lets also bail out these "to big to fail" banks and give them billions of tax payer dollars!
eat shit jew cock sucker, go die in a death camp
Daam, this is the kind of bullshit I expected out of my shitty third world country, not out of USA!
How the fuck did this happened? I tought you americans defended personal liberties above everything else!
By his own omission no locals joined him.
To be fair the testimony was thrown out because the judge said the nephew might be lying because Hammond took coarse sandpaper and scrubbed the kid raw as a punishment and the judge says he might be biased because of it
The banks didn't destroy the market. Morons buying homes with 550 credit scores with 5 year arms they could't afford after they ballooned did.
The banks enabled it, but it takes two to tango.
But let's create a hypothetical situation where the land dispute is between two private owners.
A person uses their neighbor's land without paying, sets fires that spread onto the neighbor's land, and just generally don't respect the other person's property.
Wouldn't you be on the neighbor's side if they wanted to sue, regardless of whether or not they were doing much with the land?
This seems like basic property law to me, just one owner is the federal government.
No, its an appeal. Its still the first trial. You need two trials to have double jep
Its not, "The Federal Governments," evidence. Its just evidence. And it seems like the Bundys were criminally negligent.
Doesn't mean I dont disagree with BLM policies or practices, but Bundy is still a fag too, and so is his dad desu
Like when they strong armed farmers out of their land.
Like when they introduced unreasonable licencing fees to those who refused to sell to force them to move.
Like when they allowed for invasive species growth to ruin his land.
Like when the BLM has done this several times which has lead to the backlash we are seeing.
poor people dont deserve freedom or a right to life?
You know how much land we have here in the US?
Poor people dont deserve a right to fair housing? Poor people dont deserve a right to life?
Working people like the bundys and hammonds who have had their land slowly taken away by the government?
No i forgot this country is only for the ultra rich bankers and politicians.
The idea that you could even blame poor people for something the banks control is a joke.
Stupid working class people, they dont deserve a house (which the cost of has been hyper inflated)
Do you think hyper-inflation stops with housing?
try food, money, gas, education, pretty much everything is artifically and hyper inflated
no your right, hyper-inflation isnt the fault of the jew bankers which control us
its the poor working class people's fault
Eat shit jew cock sucker.
I'm reading them all now
>they're facing 5 years in jail for terrorism
Why are you lying?
>This guy thinks these guys want to attack their neighbors and community. When in reality they are the biggest most racist patriots in the whole country.
These tardo's in Oregon need General Sherman to come and wreck their shit.
>It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, more vengeance, more desolation. War is hell.
>My aim then was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us.
>The voice of the people is the voice of humbug.
>You cannot qualify war in harsher terms than I will.
So. Fucking. Based. He knew how to handle Rebel Scum.
That is exactly the issue cocknose! The federal government does not have rhe constitutional authority to control all this land that rightfully belongs to the state and the people.
What is this rant? I made a comment as to why your house dropped in value, and it has more to do with morons taking on loans they couldn't afford than the banks.
Or do you want to regulate who the banks can make loans too?
It also assumes those soldiers and cops dont have family and wont think "maybe this is wrong" when their gov openly breaks the law and has the police and military take actions against citizens, and assumed no one is going to leave to join the people.
Cops and soldiers are people too and have families who will also suffer.
Also guerrilla warfare sucks
Disasters, even if you count them as wins, its fucking disastrous to deal with that shit.
>Like when they strong armed farmers out of their land
>Like when they introduced unreasonable licencing fees to those who refused to sell to force them to move.
>Like when they allowed for invasive species growth to ruin his land.
>Like when the BLM has done this several times which has lead to the backlash we are seeing.
Never once in any of the cases have the Hammonds complained about any of this. Please educate yourself on the issue.
>Government wants to "take your land", most likely with a proper reason like a nature preservation law
>Don't drag them to court, or court case failed
>Instead take up arms and take over federal property
Taking up arms against the government is rebellion in any setting
I honestly hope they get sieged and starve off, or get gunned down once they decide to die as martyrs, we have enough liberal tears for decades, now I want liberticuck tears
In what world is armed occupation of a building peaceful? Coupled with videos saying violence was a possibility.
The fed gov fencing off their land, revoking grazing rights, and raising fees is disgusting. Not debating that, but its not stealing. Its an acceptable grievance and one I would be more sympathetic too if their supporters were not resorting to terrorism to get what they want.
almost 25 million people work for the government
8 million or less are self-employed
there literally is no freedom, its either work for the government, work for a large corporation, or be a poor broke bastard clinging onto life
If you weren't a fucking cuck you'd realize their first plight was the same as the confederates'
>hur dur do what I say and stay in my nation because I live in the geographic north
Fuck off homo
That is the kind of bullshit that happens in my shitty thrid world country, whenever the government wants to build something on top of your property they just take it from you and pay a shitty amount of money that is WAY below property value. If you try and fight they send the cops and military to force you out.
I apologize for the incoming cynicism but I don't care at all for the court case. If the someone in the Federal Government wants something badly enough, I'm pretty sure they will get it. So these claims that some cowboys burnt a whole fucking forest so that they could "cover up poaching" (not sure how that works) is not something I can accept at face value.
The best "fuck you" the govt could give these losers is to essentially ignore them. Put a perimeter around the place and starve them out, but beyond that, just throw a collective "meh" their way and remind them of how insignificant they truly are.
"Militiamen" are basically neckbeards with guns.
and where do you think banks get all their money?
Good thing most people are in debt up to their eyeballs just to live.
>people are unironically defending the to big to fail banking industry
i didnt know there was so much jew cock sucking on /pol/
>Why are you lying?
The two were convicted three years ago and served time, but a judge ruled the terms were too short. Federal lawyers prosecuted the ranchers under an anti-terrorism law that they say required a five-year minimum sentence.
so I should have said "anti-terrorism"?
what am I lying about?
Again, resorting to trolling.
But for the sake of people reading, trying to sue the federal government, who has unlimited resources and is often corrupt, is usually a losing measure.
Bullshit. The cases were in relation the wildfires, they couldn't bring this up because it would be outside the scope of the prosecution.
>strong-armed and devastated swathes of ranchers for years for that land
>it serves birdwatchers and naturalists sometimes
>let's let them keep expanding through wellfunded mafia-style means though
>literally training camps for anti democratic Muslim terrorist run by the U.S. in Turkey and sending them off with vehicles arms and supplies
How much more aid and comfort and adhering to enemis of the United States can you get? Do the need to wave the British flag or what you degenerate shill?
no shit, so nobody poor should go to school
basically waht you are saying, is the poor should remain poor, and the rich should remain rich
yeah poor people arnt basically forced into 20 years of debt just for 4 years of education
This has to be b8
I'm taking it anyway, fuck you.
Here's some niggers with guns, notice the cops aren't shooting.
It comes from no-interest (at the moment) loans from the federal reserve.
You know what a loan is right? Like, the government gives the banks money, and then they have to pay it back. It's not like they're just handing money to the banks without an expectation to be paid back.
They took the plea and waived their right to appeal which is why the resentencing was so easy
The were prosecuted under the same law, 18 U.S.C. §§ 2 & 844(f)(1) which is for setting fire to government land. At no time was there any terrorism charges levied against the hammonds and the federal lawyers never retired them. In fact the original prosecutor said it was up to the judge to decide if MMS applied to the case.
Read the goddamn case files
Corporations have outsourced the jobs and kept the pay dismal for the service jobs they couldn't send overseas. As a result, real wages are a joke and the average family has to take on debt just to stay ahead of the curve. But the beauty of the system is that the plebs are being kept just stupid enough to support the very assholes who are keeping them down.
Insider footage from Oregon, these white right-wing Nazis need to be stopped!
#RightWingDeathSquads #OregonUnderAttack #WhitePrivilege
Actually the US does have a law called "eminent domain". It is the same thing you are talking about. As a matter of fact, the state of Michigan bulldozed my parents' house when I was 5, paid them half the value of the house, and forced us to move from a rural area to the inner city surrounded by "troubled youths"
You are wrong. Many people have victoriously sued the federal government. Osama Bin Laden's personal driver did, and he won
Also, you are such a faggot. You cant just ignore my point by calling it trolling. If he felt he had a grievance, why did he not take it to court in the case? Why did he accept the plea?
student loan debt is 1.3 trillion, more then credit cards
nah but, its chill :^) we can continue on the way we are forever!!!!!
if the fact that student loan debt is 1.3 trillion and growing doesnt scare you, you should seriously get a wake up call buds
France has been statist for its entire history, and it served it very well
But in the civilized world, we call it "centralized and decentralized rule", and we'd call your system "selective anarchy over what are basically client-states"
Jobs that can be outsourced will.
Jobs that can't be outsourced, and there are plenty, will pay well. Learn a trade, start a business. Stop crying because no skill labor doesn't get paid shit.
No one is saying its impossible, that's another strawman.
I'm saying you are extremely unlikely to win, and could cause you to be in millions of dollars of debt.
He probably entered the plea deal because the prospect of winning was low.
Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize we still lived under a confederacy. So should the federal government just not own land? Is that your solution?
Like, no national parks, no large protected areas of wilderness that span multiple states?
Wow, I expect this kind of slap in the face from my shitty government, but I just find it surprising that the USA would let that slide in "The land of the free"!
Guess we are just cattle no matter where we live...
take a guess what without compensation was supposed to mean you french cuck
if the gouverment would pay the ranchers in this area or give them another ranch everything would be fine, but instead they intimidate them and set fires to get the ranch for free. this is not just about this one case, this had happened to 100+ people.
Bunch of Autistic basement dwellers who have never actually lived in other countries. You tards have no idea what you are talking about. You think the US Federal Government is Tyrannical? Have you even SEEN what virtually every other country in the world is like?
I'm not talking places like Saudi Arabia. In the UK, the Government spies on you every waking moment through CCTV cameras and its illegal to say racist things in public. In France, they have special prosecutors who not only have Arrest power, but Trial and Conviction power as well. Literally Judge Dredd.
And these are the GOOD countries. You get into places like Russia and Mexico you can't even count on your own government to protect your own life, let alone your property rights.
The Feds are TAME compared to 99% of every other alternative.
>You think the US Federal Government is Tyrannical? Have you even SEEN what virtually every other country in the world is like?
We know how they are you dumb fuck AND WE ARE BECOMING LIKE THEM.
We don't want to see this fucking turn into those countries you fucking retard.
There's a difference between limited government and selective anarchy you smug faggot.
We are advocating that the government shouldn't operate using mafia-style tactics to abuse its citizens.
Now, don't you have a mandatory muslim tolerance class to attend?
That is a very seperate argument to what is being brandished about here. These asshats in oregon are protesting the federal parks system. Something that has been around for over 100 years. There is no "Becoming" here.
This is not an effort to arrest change. Its an effort to reverse change already enacted.
Don't let them take an inch, friend.
It'll be an inch every 10 or so years and within 100 years you are the UK and once you get to that point you're not going back.
See this pretty accurate history of our gun laws as an example;
>our government isn't as bad as other governments
this has never been an excuse to accept corrupt leadership and needless government interference.
i think the point is to make sure it never gets that bad
the fact is the federal government has been gaining more and more power as the years pass, especially now in the 21st century. when will enough be enough? history has proven "le slibbery slobe" is not a fallacy
t. american living in russia
>These asshats in oregon are protesting the federal parks system.
No they aren't. Please stop being clueless.
They are protesting decades of actions of the BLM and federal government.
>FIRST WORLD PROBLEMS AREN'T PROBLEMS GUYS
>IN FACT WHY DON'T WE SHARE THIS LACK OF PROBLEMS BY BRINGING IN HORDES OF 3RD WORLDERS INSTEAD OF TRYING TO SOLVE THESE MADE UP PROBLEMS AND BETTERING SOCIETY
>advocating trapping us in an infinite regression loop to protect the rich and keep us fighting the same old problems just with different cultures
Jesus christ you are stupid. First, that's not what a strawman is. A strawman is attaching other ideas to someones argument that they never said, like claiming i said its impossible to win.
Secondly, the success rate against the federal government, assuming they even allow you to sue and assuming they even have enough funds or clout to assemble a legal team is under 10%.
Yes. The parks system. BLM manages the federal preserves. The only difference between a national park and BLM land is a national park is completely excluded from any economic activity.
>hey dad, turn on the news! people are protesting the government, isn't that awesome?
>OH THESE DAMN WHITE BOYS THEY'RE TERRORISTS #NEVERFORGETTAMIRRICE HE WAS ONLY 12 YEARS OLD!
>mfw liberals can't appreciate a good thing without turning it into race
I-I just wanted to bond with you, dad
This is exactly the reason 'they' are winning. YOU are on your ass and not doing anything to stop it. Go on, do something, anything. Try and kill obama for all I care.
Course he'll get replaced, but then someone else will kill that guy too. Sooner or later people will join in and write your name in the history books.
The man that started it all.
I don't understand how this is a solution. Wouldn't state taxes just be raised to compensate for the increased service the state must provide? And the point of the federal government owning places is that land wouldn't be abandoned/sold because of short term issues. A lot of states are cutting DNR funding and selling formerly protected land because they are facing short term budget problems. Would you want Yosemite, the Smoky Mountains, or a glacier or some shit to be sold off when state lawmakers fuck up on a budget?