Bernard Sanders tearing the asshole off of Federal Reserve C

>>59964209
Fucking this. The "doesn't understand basic economics" while making no further argument regarding economics is a really tired meme.

>>59964209
>Check me out slamming the Federal Reserve
>I'm such a big guy
>Oh wait Paul wants to audit the Federal Reserve
>jk lol

Talk is cheap

>>59964352
>Bernie "I don't understand collateral's use in loans" Sanders
>Bernie "Taxing the rich more won't drive them more offshore" Sanders
>Bernie "Free college will not devalue it's worth while driving up it's cost" Sanders

...he's not bright, anon.

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>>59964779
What about the fact that the US Government makes immense profit on student loans?

>>59964948
>institution making profits off its investments
Shocking

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>>59964209
>"tearing the asshole off of Alan Greenspan"

>actually just spews rhetoric and criticizes Alan Greenspan about the economy right after a recession

topkek. try again.

>>59964209
See
>>59964700

>>59964948

The idea is you're supposed to be getting a degree that will profit you so it's a win win. Instead these kids are getting degrees in fields that will never pay out, whether it be for their own validation or just laziness showing, liberal arts degrees and the like literally do not deserve a loan.

>>59964352
>>59964209
1. Bernie Sanders claims to be influenced by Nordic models yet does not actually follow Nordic examples. His FTT tax to pay for college was an idea tried and failed by Sweden after the GDP loss was more than tenfold any tax revenue gained. For the United States, which relies heavily on Wall Street, this unacceptable. Source: http://www.businessinsider.com/sweden-explains-why-a-european-financial-transaction-tax-wont-work-2011-9

2. Minimum wage increase: This has been long debated but now that Seattle has been cucked we can actually see the practical effects of such a thing. It decreases employment, just as conservatives have always said.. Source: http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2015/10/23/checking-seattles-15-minimum-wage-look-theres-the-job-losses/

3. Significantly increasing funds for social services. I hope you understand why this is bad without a source...

>>59964352

But he seriously does not appear to understand basic economics. It's not just a meme.

This is the guy who literally does not understand collateral. Which is something every basic home owner understands or anyone who has ever gotten a loan probably understands. We're talking about someone who thinks a 90% tax is smart on ANY bracket.

He's a fucking retard when it comes to economics. You can't just say "OH, such and such a thing is repeated a lot so it's just a meme, it's not true!". Unless you want to make an argument for why Bernie was right about the whole trail of statements he has made that proves his infantile understanding of economics.

>>59964700
>Bernie "I don't understand collateral's use in loans" Sanders
Obviously he knows the economic reasons why a student loan has higher interest. He was saying "What sense does that make?" in the sense of "Why do we think it's acceptable to keep the price of an education so high?"
>Bernie "Taxing the rich more won't drive them more offshore" Sanders
Who gives a fuck if the leeches leave? Do you really think your national government needs them because it uses their money? (Protip: it doesn't. Bernie also may not understand this but neither does any other candidate, nor the MSM, nor most or any voters.)
>Bernie "Free college will not devalue it's worth while driving up it's cost" Sanders
Depends on implementation. As I understand the Sanders policy it would mean that public colleges offer free degrees funded by government, but would only allow the top x students to get a given degree. That is, it replaces financial barriers with academic barriers. Surely this is a good thing.

If you applied half as much cynicism to any other mainstream candidate I'm sure you would find similar errors/miscommunications.

>>59964948

they lose money on the loans

>>59965339
My campus career center (at a high tier school) told me flat out that most employers don't care about your degree outside the STEM related sectors. It's more about your growth as a person, I think. A high school kid can still learn a lot of maturity, although that might be as easily accomplished working, which is just as valid a route as college.

>>59964209
>Check any inflammatory rhetoric at the door, I wanna hear facts and figures on the downpoints of his economic policy, because I acknowledge there are some.


"reply with what i want to hear or don't reply"

>>59964948
Which is a ridiculous notion. The government doesn't need to "profit" in dollar terms. It doesn't give it any more ability to spend at a later time.

It's like the logic of mainstreamers who think Clinton's surpluses were a good thing. Why? Because they don't understand that the government is not a corporation.

>>59965485
I will read those sources, and I agree already to an extent with point 2. However, I will need a source for 3 if I'm to believe it is not mere conjecture.

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>>59964209
The only thing Bernie's ever done with a man's asshole is stick his cock up it.

>>59964209
That is the first time I've seen two Jews go against each other's policies tbqh

>>59965727
You're retarded.

>>59965903
Nice meme. It doesn't change the fact that I'm right.

>>59965829
If you disagree with point 3 you are letting yourself be cucked by niggers

>>59965518
>hat is, it replaces financial barriers with academic barriers. Surely this is a good thing

Implying he won't just cave into BLM and feminists and give all the funding to whatever identity group is the flavor of the semester.
Remember meritocracies are bad because not everyone starts in the same place, or at least that's the argument that will be used to turn this into racial/gender quotas.

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>>59964352
>no le evidence xddd
>evidence literally everywhere
Socialism doesn't work. Period. You cannot have socialism and freedom at the same time. You can live in a pussy society where it is impossible for people to be poor, but also impossible to be rich, but you will see immediate declines in technological advancement and the death of freedom; socialism is based on the belief that the federal government can somehow make better decisions than the individual, local government, and state government. It revokes their ability to make important decisions and gives it to whoever has the most power on the federal level. Once socialism has been instated, it is significantly harder to remove, because lower levels of government no longer have as much power to stand against it. You can have your 'safety net' for the lazy and non-contributors of society, but just know, that you better be prepared to live with the consequences.

>>59966064
>Implying our economy and political structure is a meritocracy and not oligarchical

>>59964209
>you're a rich bad guy
>I'm a middle class good guy
>People still don't have free shit. That means you ruined the economy.

Great economics argument. Stop wasting Mr. Greenspan's time, you Marxist tard.

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>>59965903
Yeah, I almost replied to him but fortunately checked the flag.

I'd give him a 7/10 bait.

>>59966109
A few questions. What makes you say that socialism is incompatible with freedom? What "important decisions" does socialism revoke, and what are the pros and cons of doing so? Is it always accurate to characterize those utilizing a government 'safety net' as 'lazy' and 'non-contributors?'

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>>59964209

>Wants a 15 dollar minimum wage.
>Pays his employees 12

>>59965518
God-tier Australian shitpost

>>59966064
Your point is valid and I don't disagree, but the same kind of speculation could be made about all other candidates' proposals.

>>59964209

A shame he gutted Ron Paul's federal reserve audit.

>>59966064
>implying BLM and feminism aren't both good for America

>>59966423
Reminder
http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/263761-senate-sets-up-vote-on-pauls-audit-the-fed-proposal

>>59965702
Gee an employee of the college is trying to sell you the idea of spending more money there.

>>59966327
https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/3fu2jm/bernie_sanders_pays_interns_12_an_hour/

>Yeah, internships aren't actual jobs really. They're meant to be short education/experience gaining positions, not a source of income

>That's pretty good for an intern desu. It's above the minimum wage in a lot of places.

>Paid interns. You dont even have to pay interns. Its slave labor. i think 12$ an hour is fucking amazing as an intern.

>>59966358
This is true, but we are talking strictly Bernie ITT

>>59966173
Never said it was.
But do you agree with me that meritocratic systems are more moral?

>>59966020
since you already have the whole thread planned out in your bernie dweeb head

>>59966575
>>Yeah, internships aren't actual jobs really. They're meant to be short education/experience gaining positions, not a source of income
>>That's pretty good for an intern desu. It's above the minimum wage in a lot of places.
>>Paid interns. You dont even have to pay interns. Its slave labor. i think 12$ an hour is fucking amazing as an intern.

Literally all arguments /pol/ uses against min wage increases

>>59965972
Sanders and Greenspan are colluding with each other, it's just controlled opposition and the illusion of choice.

>>59966575
>Yeah, internships aren't actual jobs really. They're meant to be short education/experience gaining positions, not a source of income
I...

>>59966663
What the cunt are you yabbering about ya gronk

>>59966575

>A short term position designed to gain experience

Boy that sure sounds a lot like an entry level job that pays minimum wage.

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>>59964209
Why keep cutting him off? What a terribly done video

>>59966315
Socialism, by definition, advocates the ownership of the means of producing and distributing products to be handed to the government. There is obviously no way you can have any economic freedom in this situation, unless you become part of the 'government' yourself, in which case you are in turn restricting the economic freedoms of others. And when you don't have economic freedom in a society, you also cannot have full political freedom. One party controls the assets of the nation. Obviously, Bernie isn't aiming to implement full-blown socialism, but it's hard to tell what extent of it he DOES plan to instate. At any rate, there cannot be any positive outcome of it. As for the welfare issue, I'm not necessarily saying there aren't good people who need it, but if you actually do need welfare for its intended purpose, you do NOT need it to the extent of which we have it right now. Welfare should be given with the requirement that you are seeking training for a feasible career, and that you have actually made advancements in finding one. I don't advocate the government checking up on you to make sure you're using your government paychecks wisely (mostly due to the price of that), but I do believe welfare should be temporary, unless perhaps you provide reasonable proof that you've made progress in finding an occupation.

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>>59965972
>muh Jew memes
Consider suicide.

>>59967049
>but I do believe welfare should be temporary, unless perhaps you provide reasonable proof that you've made progress in finding an occupation.

Foodstamps require exactly this. Conceivably, other systems could too.
Source: using foodstamps to survive in college.

>>59967049
>>59967366
Meh. Short term unemployment welfare benefits, unless having a serious physical obstacle to employment such as mental deficiencies, missing limbs, etc.

After a year of unemployment, if you couldn't find a job, worker programs. We teach you how to use a jackhammer and you can work on a state/federal work program at a slightly reduced pay compared to your peers. The company paying gets tax incentives for taking you on.

>>59967366
The only problem I have with that (the
'proof' concept) is it's probably just as easy to exploit as it is to get benefits for disabilities. Or at least, in some places. I have a family member who works for VA, and says employees are often bribed for benefits or just don't do their job at all. I realize that's anecdotal evidence, but you get the point. The government isn't known for its efficiency.

>be poor making $7 an hour
>get food stamps to relieve costs
>get raise at work to $7.5/hr
>congratulations your income now surpasses the threshold where you can apply for food stamps!
>retain costs of food while only earning a tiny marginal change in income more thus making you worse off than before

Welfare doesnt work.
A strong community with an emphasis on charity and collectivism is a much better alternative. Instead of making bullshit welfare programs the government should be encouraging community and local communities to support their neighbors.

>>59967839
I think that would be a great application of sanders' plan to invest in our infrastructure.

>>59966293
Yeah, really shame those ebin memes stopped you from writing anything of substance

>>59968250
Exactly this. Charity-based establishments will ALWAYS surpass the abilities of the government. You can't beat a community that cares about itself by taking money from everyone and throwing it at poor people. All that does is encourage laziness and promote anti-gov sentiment.

>>59965773
>>59966663
would you guys please stop enabling this Aussie shitposter? He is literally a day in the future and cannot vote for Bernie Glassberg even if he wanted to.

Fuck, I hate Greenspan but Sanders is just outright ridiculous.

Greenspan is a major fuckup that is one of the key players in the build up of the housing bubble. But then again, one of his major fuck up involved gibsmedat for people that shouldn't have gone into real estate, which Sanders won't criticize.

>>59967189
>not knowing the Federal Reserve is a private bank owned by Jewish Rothschild family
>not knowing every head of the Fed has been Jewish
>not knowing powerful Zionist (not necessarily Jewish) elites control the world

My god, get your head out of the liberal propaganda and open a book written before 1900 for a change, will you?

>>59966719
Kek this

>>59964209
Bernie got rekt in that clip

>>59968940
lol

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>>59968940
K.

>>59968940
>the Federal Reserve is a private bank owned by Jewish Rothschild family

the individual Federal Reserve Banks are owned by the larger banks operating in each respective district. There is no single "Federal Reserve Bank", there are twelve of them. While it's possible that the Rothschilds own shares in some of the owner banks of the individual Federal Reserve Banks, it's patently absurd to claim that they "own" the Federal Reserve.

>every head of the Fed has been Jewish

that's pretty easily disproved. many of them have been Jewish, but not all of them.

Not a fan of the Juden, but you're taking the conspiracy into blatantly false territory.

>>59964209
>in 2003
could you be any more grandpa

mfw the arguments kikespan gives are the same has american posters gives:

>muh country size
>muh best standard of living
>muh technology

What happened to us /pol/??? When diid all went wrong? When did most of us became corporate cocksuckers?

>>59964439
He passed the audit through congress

>>59970213
greenspan was pretty based t

>>59964209
He's just complaining about the economy. "You're doing it wrong" from one central planner to another.

Clueless.

>>59966109
> technological advancement

Soviet Union

>You can live in a pussy society where it is impossible for people to be poor

People are still poor in Socialist country, they simply don't starve, you know, like in all 1st world countries?

> death of freedom

Social democratic nations (Scandinavia) are rated number one in freedom worldwide

>federal government can somehow make better decisions than the individual

It usually can, you underestimate how ignorant can one person be. For example, check vacinnes.

>It revokes their ability to make important decisions and gives it to whoever has the most power on the federal level

Elections are still had. And meanwhile, on your free country, you had the patriot law

>Once socialism has been instated, it is significantly harder to remove, because lower levels of government no longer have as much power to stand against it

Name one socialist government that failed when:

1- it wasn't a 3rd world failed state
2- It wasn't surrounded by hostile countries

>You can have your 'safety net' for the lazy and non-contributors of society, but just know, that you better be prepared to live with the consequences.

I don't understand this, safeties nets are a huge advancement. Child support, mother leave, Unemployment benefits, are all great ideas. I agree with you that some are retarded.

5/10 Nice copypasta

>>59964352
yeah and the best part is they believe trump who says hes gonna build a fucking wall and make mexico pay for it

>>59967049
Marxist socialism, wich is retarded in some points. I still believe capitalism should be encouraged. I simply think that rich folks shouldn't have so much power

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>>59968487
>with an emphasis on charity and collectivism is a much better alternative

Communism in a short phrase

>Instead of making bullshit welfare programs the government should be encouraging community and local communities to support their neighbors.

This doesn't tackle the differences betwenn certain parts of country

>>59968487
>Charity-based establishments will ALWAYS surpass the abilities of the government

Not exactly, charity only trows some food at the problem. "Don't give the man a fish, teach him how to fish"

>inb4 and le government will do that xDDD!!11

Yes, by investing in the economy and creating jobs.

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CONTROLLED OPPOSITION BERNIE GOES AFTER THE JEWS BEHIND THE FED WHILE HE IS A JEW WHO IS RUNNING SCHEMES AT THE SAME TIME.

THIS IS A MAN WHO USES THE MINORITY COMMUNITY AND THEY ARE TOO DUMB TO SEE IT HE WILL GO AGAINST THE BIG BAD BANKERS BUT DO NOTHING TO STOP IT HE IS JUST PAYING LIP SERVICE.

>>59973574
Settle down on the cruise control, stormfag.

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>>59970260
He is the one who gutted it

>>59974352
explain the part gutted it


>>59973574
The same can be said about Trump

>>59971223
>>59971579
communist detected
not going to spend time arguing with what is obviously wrong. Soviet Union was corrupt and poured tons of tax payer funds into specific scientific developments to pretend to compete with the west. Look where that corruption got them.

In socialist countries, people are hardly poor. They can be the poor-est of their country, but it doesn't compare to our poor people. You can act like that's a good thing, but in reality you're just encouraging people not to contribute while killing the rich. If you're too lazy to do anything, you deserve to be starving.


Out of the top 5 most 'free' countries, only one is Scandinavian, and that's Switzerland.
http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking
The U.S. is ahead of Sweden and Norway, which socialist faggots love to refer people to.

Perhaps the government can make better decisions than the individual, but would you like someone to make all your decisions for you? No. The bad outweighs the good. I'd rather have liberty than have someone hold my hand across a road.

>elections are still had
Nice meme. I get to choose who fucks my shit up.

List one true socialist government that didn't fail, or at least can even compete with free nation who have similar predicaments. Look at China. Their SEZs are ten times better than their average communist shit city.

When I say 'safety net,' I'm not talking about all aspects of social securities, only the ones that are exceedingly retarded.

>>59971945
Yes, communities can't always help themselves, which is why I still support a minimized safety net. Just not the current extent.

Charity doesn't throw food at the problem. Yes, one thing they might do is feed people, but there are also community-run rehab centers and such.

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>>59974491
Did you even read the quote retard? This is why your opinion is irrelevant

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>>59964352
All he said was that there was a problem and pointed out a bunch of statistics that any of us could present with a week and some googling. Then he just said the same thing he always says "Look at Scandanavia!!!" and Grenspan's response about our size still holds true.

He presented no solutions, just pointed out the obvious of "whatever you guys are doing, it's not right!"

>>59974819
>Nothing Ron Paul says has any spin to it
>Has a son gearing up to run as Bernie's opponent

>>59974629
>not going to spend time arguing with what is obviously wrong. Soviet Union was corrupt and poured tons of tax payer funds into specific scientific developments to pretend to compete with the west. Look where that corruption got them.

But technological advancement existed, and was realatively large, you can't dispute that.


>Out of the top 5 most 'free' countries, only one is Scandinavian, and that's Switzerland.
>http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking
>The U.S. is ahead of Sweden and Norway, which socialist faggots love to refer people to.

Economic freedom.

But on personal freedom your country ranks poorly, even below mine

http://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/articles/towards-worldwide-index-3-vasquez-stumberger.pdf
page 9

> someone to make all your decisions for you?

Of course no, i don't want someone chosing what i will eat today (exception for my mom).
No one is claiming that. Jus a strawman.

>When I say 'safety net,' I'm not talking about all aspects of social securities, only the ones that are exceedingly retarded.

cherrypicking, you cannot take what you like about a ideology, keep it, and then claim something is retarded as a whole

>List one true socialist government that didn't fail, or at least can even compete with free nation who have similar predicaments. Look at China. Their SEZs are ten times better than their average communist shit city.

Scandinavia, up until immigration ideas were imported. My country, up until Government fucked everything up in 2000s

http://blog.peerform.com/top-ten-most-socialist-countries-in-the-world/

See the list, and except for China (wich was a shithole for most of it's existence), all are prosperous countries (and most of them don't have oil, like america), and China is a fast growing.

>>59974818
>community-run rehab centers
With heavy government funding, right? Also i google it, and few to noone results appeared

>>59974819
I read it and didn't even mentioned it because it says nothing. I see this meme that "bernie guttted the bill" but i've never saw any evidence backing it up.

An no, i'm not a communist. My political ideologies are more simlar to National SOCIALISM.

>inb4 t alberto barbosa
>inb4 that pic of a librul with a mask

>>59975526
>implying that faggot has any chance

>>59976138
>National Socialist
>voting for a Jew

Don't get me wrong, I like seeing support for Sanders regardless of the source but what the fuck?

>>59978861
National Socialist, not a nazi. I don't beleive in Genocide

>>59980369
Yeah I guess you could remove the racial shit and it would otherwise still be the same basic ideology. Just never encountered anyone like you before so that confused me.