First, how is that because of Libertarianism? The USA is not by any metric a "free" economy. Also, you aren't entilted to any sort of pay. Its up to the companies discretion what they pay their employees, and if they were being inefficient, the company would collapse. Or at least it would in a free market. In a regulated market, like we have, large companies can restict the growth of smaller companies. That means becoming a CEO is such a hard job to attain, of course they're going to get paid that much.
>>59963232 Well consumerism and buying into advertisment-generated-hype are at an all time high so no wonder CEOs are getting paid so much. I mean it's kind of hypocritical for someone to complain another the salaries of CEOs when the only reason they can get away with paying themselves that much is because everyone needs to see the new star wars because everyone else is and they need the new iPhone because it's the new iPhone and they need the new COD because the cinematic trailers made it look hella fucking epic dude.
Stop supporting those companies if it bothers you so much, but they never will because they care more about doing and getting what everyone else is to fit in.
>>59963405 literally no serious free market economist has ever proposed "trickle down economics"
>>59963232 why do companies not hire the CEOs that used to work for only 42x the pay of a worker? what is the productivity of a CEO compared to a normal worker? would you also like to explain how small government is responsible for government subsidies mega-businesses? stop being such a fucking cuck you get what you're worth to people
>>59963232 >Fed leaves gold standard in 1971 >inflation immediately skyrockets and hasn't stopped >inflation disproportionately hurts poor people and doesn't scratch the rich >rich people own homes and have incomes tied to the stock market >poor people rent and have incomes fixed at a rate that gets less valuable >this is capitalism's fault
>>59963232 Cut CEO pay to $0.00, each individual worker will see an annual pay increase of under $100. Meanwhile without competent leadership, the company goes down the tubes and hundreds of thousands are laid off.
Companies these days are the size of a nation in the ancient world. Executives have a multitude of decisions they must make on a daily basis. If even one of these decisions is poorly conceived, the company goes belly up and hundreds of thousands are out of work.
An executive must be 1) Highly intelligent (absolutely must be top tier IQ, 140+) 2) Have a great personality 3) Know how to lead people and inspire confidence (rare ability) 4) Be experienced in the industry
People with the qualities of a good executive are quite literally one in a million. It's such a rare talent that there's a huge bidding war for the best ones. They can transform a small business into a multi-national organization overnight
Just go watch The Apprentice and see highly educated, highly qualified people make a total mess of simple tasks. These are people that would be considered prodigies, but as soon as leadership, organization and decision making was tested, they collapsed under pressure and produced a steaming pile of shit.
>>59963575 >The fact he wasn't born already rich? Most very rich people are new money. A quick glance at the whoswhos from 1940 and today would show how much fortune vary in merely two generations. Of course there is nothing wrong with a family being successful every generation like we see sometimes (many old south German/Austrian nobles are still billionaires a century after the abolition of their status).
Besides, you are also completely eluding the question. The question was not "why don't they get rich" but "why don't they become CEOs" which doesn't imply nor necessitate riches in the first place.
Few businesses actually require as a sinequanon heavy personal initial investment.
Killing jews won't have any effect. Trade has always existed in various forms throughout history, and capitalism is the natural conclusion of it. Why? Because its the only system capable of sustaining human growth.
Nationalist Socialism is a dead meme ideology and think about what you're saying. "Hurr lets enslave ourselves to a dictator and give all our freedom so we can kill people!" This kind of thinking is why you're a poorfag. Also, if Jews are the cause of capitalism, why are they so against it? Why, as you claim, are they this league of marxists trying to destroy white civlization by...., suporting Capitalism? The system, that was invented by white people in the first place?
While I do by no means want to limit ceo paycheck in anyway, I think there's something seriously wrong when a guy running a company makes ten times more than a president of a 300 million people country.
>>59964084 this isn't even a rebuttal anybody who has studied economics knows that the idea of trickle-down economics is bullshit why? it doesn't exist it implies that economic transactions are zero-sum if you continue to use this strawman to deflect any argument that favours economic freedom, you're truly a fucking moron
>>59964306 It's the free market. Who should decide how much anyone makes? I don't think basketball Americans playing basketball should make millions of dollars but if the populace is willing to give them money then oh well. People are retarded desu senpai. Don't be a baka.
Look at this fucking cuck. Acting as though a CEO has to be some kind of super fucking saiyan. They literally give these jobs to family members. Your boss isn't getting paid a lot of money because he's just better than you. He's just more able to exploit you, son.
>An executive must be >1) Highly intelligent (absolutely must be top tier IQ, 140+) "You don't want to KNOW how much I paid for Quentin's degree!" >2) Have a great personality "You should have seen those hookers last night at daddy's club! Jonty had them eating out of his hand! This kid's going places!" >3) Know how to lead people and inspire confidence (rare ability) "Fuck up one more time and you're fired, Jenkins! That should motivate you!" >4) Be experienced in the industry "I did six months as daddy's intern...on paper, anyway! I was his 'Overseas Correspondent' *wink*!
In a few years, you'll see that being a bootlicker only got you older. Meanwhile those at the top would have maybe gotten a few decent coke-parties out of you.
>>59964528 doesn't matter water saves more lives than niggers throwing balls water is in high supply, good ball throwing niggers aren't blame the people who demand said niggers, don't blame the niggers for making the sensible decision to become ball throwers
>>59964236 Capitalism and Communism are both jew friendly and Communism is simply corrupted european noble born themes which can be considered socialism, taken by Marx to ensure any socialist revolution will be an internationalist friendly socialist revolution.
I am glad Hitler proved him wrong and fought against this internationalist corruption.
It is proven the main incentive to begin helping your people is just that, to help your people, your nation/tribe. It is a primitive mind set but that doesn't make it bad.
It is much easier to coerce one into being selfless and sacrifice for his people/nation/tribe than for any other reason such as these fucking jewish internationalist reasons like * human rights, humanitarianism, equality* and whatever else they call it.
To help your fellow racial/national comrade is not simply due to believing in equality, but because you believe your tribe/people are only as strong as their weakest, ALL MEMBERS OF THE VOLK MUST BE STRONG
>>59963232 >state pushed for higher population >get more tax revenue from more workers >play it off as "necessary economic growth" >shill statist economists defend this because it means production grows and prices go down plus GDP is up >constant population growth "inadvertently" grows the wage gap that's so precious to leftists, ironically >no one fucking sees this somehow
>>59963999 Also this is a big part of it. A large part of the fiat money creation by grand bankers at the Fed or the ECB or the Bank of Japan throw the money first in certain kinds of bonds or stocks in financial markets which are typically how CEOs are paid in big companies. The money does reach "concrete" economy after a time, but of course the early receivers of new money are the ones benefiting from the increase of the money supply. Of course the "labor" is also at a major fault for demanding higher wages like morons since it gives a legitimate incentive for the inflationary pressure to pay off the wage increase.
Third world countries are labour intensive whereas first world countries tend to be more capital intensive. The comfortable lifestyles many first worlders enjoy is thanks to the sweat of poorly paid third world workers.
Real socialists want the the means of production to be universal, for the whole world to enjoy, but liberals appropriate socialist rhetoric and maintain global capitalist slavery.
You should make one for hollywood actors and sports players and muscisions. Why is it always the CEOs that get all this hate when those faggots are providing a way less crucial service and often making out with more money.
>>59964066 Seriously, watch The Apprentice. You'll learn that being an executive ain't as easy as you think it is.
A good example: running a lemonade stand. One team decides to put their stand next to the fish market. The wafting smell of dying fish and the low traffic result in low sales.
Meanwhile, the other team locates their cart near a subway terminal. They get higher traffic, but few people are interested in lemonade on the way to the subway.
What kind of lemonade did you choose? How did you market it? How did you pitch it? Where did you choose to sell? All of these are decisions the executive needs to make.
This is just one task out of the hundred or so on The Apprentice. The show involved highly educated prodigies, many of whom were worth millions of dollars, and yet struggled to organize even the most simple tasks. Few are able to do a halfway-competent job, and even fewer are able to win the respect of their teammates. A good executive is an exceptionally rare talent.
...Because they're operating on a different scale to doctors. 10 of millions of people are watching them play and paying to go see them. If you and the other hippie faggots don't like it, don't go. Also, there's no reason to be butthurt because they're not "stealing" anything off you. The money they have in the bank will be your future business loan or mortgage. Well, it would be if the banks weren't corrupt government monopolies.
Everything except national-socialism is jew friendly to you because your entire ideology and worldview revolves around Jews. Your entire life *is* Jews. You don't know or care about anything other than Jews.
And you're wrong. I'm not denying there's Marxist views among Jews within the state and that they're pushing the dethroning of Western Culture, which IS capitalism. Western culture as you know it and Capitalism are completely inseperable. When the last time the West was ever Socialist, or Nationalist Socialist? NEVER. Aside from one shitty country that is now being raped to death by Islamists and isn't allowed its own army. Such is the result of Nationalist Socialism.
And that's Nationalist Socialism, the Nationalist Socialism that tried to invade Poland and got fucked up by the rest of the World because it turns out people don't like it when you're an asshole.
>>59963322 Advocate that companies shouldn't be able to abuse the laws and citizens of foreign governments to essentially enlist slave labor from China and elsewhere, and bring the means of production back home, whilst deporting illegals to give the average American worker considerably more bargaining power.
>>59963756 >why do companies not hire the CEOs that used to work for only 42x the pay of a worker? This is the most important point. The average pay of a CEO is only ~$14million per year, and they head companies that are worth much more than that. A bad CEO will generate losses that far-exceed $14million, whereas a good CEO will generate profits much greater than $14million. Ultimately, their salaries are dictated by basic supply-and-demand. Some professional athletes and film-stars earn much more than $14million. Why aren't they victims of more media attention?
>>59964656 I don't think anyone her denies that many people are stupid, vain and put their interest (and then money) in things most of us would consider useless, bizarre or retarded.
This is what prevents me from being an anarcho-capitalist or whatever the name. It's perhaps a question of people being evil, but all in all, it's a question of people having other values. It sounds fedora, but sometimes it's just hard.
>people used to go on strikes and shit >now they just do their mcjobs and buy their iphones and beg the government owned by corporations to do something >support illegal immigrants that come from a much poorer country Uh oh wut hapnd guise
>>59964726 britcuck is right. You are so fucking uninformed its disgusting. CEOs are an old boys club. CEOs invite other CEOs on their board of directors and they vote to just keep giving each other raises. CEOs are just a new trick of the old money to keep wealth concentrated.
>>59965321 Why do they go onto other ventures? Who is foolish enough to hire them?
There is quite a bit of corporatism. Wherein the rich use relationships and connections in the government to magnify their wealth and bully their way to the top. It's an enormous problem that must be addressed.
The problem is all the power the government has over private industry. If they didn't have that power, these rich guys wouldn't get their special advantages. Too much power is the problem, not the other way around.
>>59963663 >to fit in You were into something but then you lost it. You made it clear at the end there. Focusing only on the entertainment industry is a mistake for these types of arguments because consumer culture gets boiled down to hip trends which one could argue goes back to the top earners manipulating people further. A big part of the problem isn't just consumer choices but also saturation of the market. To make a long story short: it's too easy and too cheap to not live off the McDonalds dollar menu.
>>59965144 >one Shitty country lol try harder you let that one slip and just made yourself, Jerry.
Please, capitalist has only ever held the european peoples down. If you look at national socialist Germany and don't see western civilization at its peak, prime, unleashed- then you need some more education from us.
Capitalism is internationalist, and in fact only in the past roughly 60-80 years has capitalism actually been allowed to stop being held back.
It was the peoples nationalism which inherently always limited capitalist through european history, correct?
Now we see capitalism unleashed....and the european peoples extinction alongside.
NOW you will answer the question, do you support the racial melting pot? Yes or No? Do you stand idly by as your people , as recessive gened, will go extinct in this racial melting pot? Yes or No? * implying you're actually germanic or celtic U.K citizen * Are you willing to sacrifice your people simply to ensure your ideology is left untouched and in power? Yes or No?
What's the solution? To prevent CEOs or companies from making more money? To redistribute wealth by force? Who will set the company's wages, the government? What's my motivation to start my own company, be my own boss if I can't run my own company? Why should I earn X money for my company if I know that once I reach that limit the government will step in and regulate my pay? My money?
>>59965736 a few million dollars? looks like i'll have to tell my friends that their business plans are just doomed to failure it's a shame, the names 'mcdonalds' and 'walmart' have quite a ring to them
>>59965629 Not agreeing with the Occupy faggots in this thread, but starting a company is significantly more difficult than taking over. You need to build capital, public trust, a professional reputation, and partnerships, and this may take decades. The "start your own company" argument is bound to be destroyed in a real discussion
No, its only ever held the *stupid* ones down. Its the only system that puts so much food in people's bellies obesity is now a bigger problem among the poor than hunger, its the only system that allowed us to build nukes, which will ensure world war never threatens us again and its the only system that will take us to the stars.
It is internationalist, what's wrong with others prospering as long as we get what we want?
And no, the only thing that will prevent the European people's extinction is the fucking nerds on this p[lanet getting off their ass and boning more white chicks. If we can't do that, we do not deserve to exist. And I would rather face extinction than give up my freedom.
>>59965321 These golden parachutes and all are negotiated when taking the job. I wonder how anyone would respond to a "99%" worker being refused something like that. The thing is the codes of law concerning work related litigation are already heavily biased in favor of the employee.
It's very true that it is sometimes difficult, due to legal technicalities, for the actual owners to oust a manager (CEO) or prove incompetence. That's in no small part due to retards imagining that da ebil capitalists are evil and protecting the employee. This view is simply incompatible with bitching about CEO treatment or them receiving their golden parachutes even when there was a clause that could allow owners to sue the manager, theoretically.
>>59965629 You can go ahead and try, but they could crush you on multiple fronts from IP litigation, having better in place infrastructure or simply outspending you.
But hey, it happens all the time. These old fucks are so set in their ways because they are overpaid nepotists rather than good leaders that you have shit like Netflix overtaking blockbuster, Chik-fil a overtaking KFC, Sears and Radioshack failing over and over, and every other tech company dieing because the guy in charge has no idea what he was doing.
The Walton family DIDN'T make their money off poor farmers during the great depression? >Sam Walton was born to Thomas Gibson Walton and Nancy Lee, in Kingfisher, Oklahoma. He lived there with his parents on their farm until 1923. However, farming did not provide enough money to raise a family, and Thomas Walton went into farm mortgaging. He worked for his brother's Walton Mortgage Company, which was an agent for Metropolitan Life Insurance where he foreclosed on farms during the Great Depression.
The McDonalds brothers DIDN'T take over their father's business? >The McDonald family moved from Manchester, New Hampshire to Hollywood in the late 1930s, where brothers Richard and Maurice McDonald began working as set movers and handymen at Motion-Picture studios. In 1937, their father Patrick McDonald opened "The Airdrome", a food stand, on Huntington Drive (Route 66) near the Monrovia Airport in Monrovia, California
Nice lies, pal. But yeah, tell all your friends, they have a billion to one chance, and even then only when they start with money.
>>59966263 >And I would rather face extinction than give up my freedom.
Absolute american cuckoldry comes out. Look at how individualist you are, it's about * you *. >my freedom, mine!! What a defeated person. You are no longer a member of racial community and hopefully when the day comes it is reinstated, somehow they find out about your old cuckoldry * i would rather my people go extinct than to have my individual life affected!!! * >attributing nukes to capitalism Perhaps attribute that to not being in the war and sitting back freely as everyone else was engaged in struggle. Do you think if nat soc Germany was instead in such a position it wouldn't have actually beyond just nukes? It was almost done making the first jet engine. Jets AND nukes. Unstoppable. The american nukes were reliant on being dropped from a bomber, this if an airforce was strong enough the nuke could not be deployed.
>>59963232 >How dare a man who runs a company worth billions be compensated with a salary that relates to this level of responsibility >Pls legislate for my hurt feelings and inability to negotiate the sale of my labour and seek other job opportunities
>70% of GD is consumption >80% of workers make less than 50k/yr >55% of them make less than 31k/yr
Consumption drives the US economy, and if demand is down because nobody has the money to spend, what happens?
Maybe some sort of recession...or perhaps, since business is too big of a risk with low demand, speculation in housing and stock market?
Some inequality is good, but after a certain point, it really does become a zero sum game. The pie keeps getting bigger, but you're getting less and less of the pie, even as a function of the previous size.
So violent crime drops, but burglaries and robberies rise. Drug use rises. Death rates from alcohol abuse and drug abuse rise. Businesses shutter, towns become GHOST towns, further driving demand down, forcing everyone into cities with the niggers side by side. You don't want niggers for every one of your neighbors, do you? Because that's what the fucking JEW wants for you. They want you nice and densely packed so they can ram their marketing down your throats. But we can fix it. Minimize the effect of the Jew. To do that, you have to reverse inequality back to something that looks like a ramp instead of a mountain.
But, I mean, if you want the kikes to win, by all means, "hurr durr muh free market why don't you just become a CEO!"
>>59963232 So you wish to cry about income inequality?
The Narrative: Income inequality is a heinous thing, indicative of selfishness, greed, and the subjugation of the working class by the wealthy.
The Reality: Income inequality doesn't actually tell us much about the underlying economic conditions of a people. You can observe income inequality under relatively decent living conditions and you can also observe it under relatively poor living conditions.
Let's examine an econometric known as "The Gini Coefficient" to help understand this.
The Gini Coefficient seeks to measure income inequality. It ranges from 0 to 100, with 0 indicating perfect income equality, where there exists a proportional distribution of income, and 100 indicating absolute inequality, where one person has all of the income and no one else has any. This begs the question, is it always a bad thing to have an above average GINI index rating? The answer is clearly, no.
Census data ranging from 2009-2013, for instance, shows that three states, as well as the District of Columbia, had a Gini Index rating higher than the United States' national average. Those states were Connecticut, New York, and Texas, none of which are bastions of poverty. But this isn't to say that income inequality is necessarily a "good" thing. All we can derive from the data is that income inequality doesn't actually tell you much about the state of an economy or the quality of life for its citizens.
>>59967025 Let's expand our observation and look at the world. The United States' rating hovers around 40-41. But did you know, if we list EVERY nation in the world that is within 2 points of our rating, you'd see that countries like Senegal (40.30), Nigeria (39.74), Mauritania (40.46), Liberia (38.16), the Ivory Coast (41.50), Chad (39.78), Cameroon (38.91), Burkina Faso (39.79), Benin (38.62), Trinidad (40.27), Nicaragua (40.47), Thailand (39.37), Turkmenistan (40.77), and Russia (40.11), all have similar ratings? Many of these examples are some of the poorest nations on Earth. Their people live in abject poverty. Their conditions are clearly worse than ours. And yet, these countries reflect a similar level of income inequality as does the United States. The lesson should be clear; the level of income inequality in a given region is not indicative of quality or prosperity.
On this index, the 5 countries with the lowest level of income inequality are Denmark, Japan, Sweden, Ukraine, and Norway, all hovering around a score of 25. But what do we find within 2 points from that? Afghanistan, at 27.82. If one believed there existed a causal relationship between income EQUALITY and economic success, then inform that person that Afghanistan is one of the most equal countries in the world. It's actual ranking was #11 out of every single nation. Does ANYBODY actually believe Afghanistan's living conditions to be superior to ours? Of course not.
>>59967101 Lastly, we can observe the opposite side of the spectrum where we have Botswana, South Africa, Namibia, Comoros, and Seychelles, all hovering around a score of 61-66. These are the countries with the worst income inequality. Again, these are some of the poorest nations on Earth. And yet, according to 2013 data analyzed by the newspaper "Today," Singapore has the highest income inequality compared to any other OECD country. Singapore, of course, being one of the most prosperous economies on Earth, has a "quality of life" rating more than 4 times that of Ukraine, despite the fact that Ukraine has one of the lowest levels of income inequality in the world.
With all of this information taken together, we can reasonably conclude that poverty stricken countries fall on either side of the income inequality index and anywhere in between. Quite simply, a measurement of income inequality is NOT a measurement of success.
I am individualist, completely. I don't give a fuck about "the nation", why should I put its cause above mine? I care about *people*, I care about my neigbour, my family, my friends, but I don't a single fuck about David Cameron or a future Hitler and his ideology. Why should I? They clearly give a fuck about me because they want to make me bend to their ways.
I'm not defeated, you are. You're not even human at this point, your just a messenger. A vessal for an ideology.
>Perhaps attribute that to not being in the war and sitting back freely as everyone else was engaged in struggle.
Which is the smart thing to do. And Germany didn't make those bombs. That's the small fact. He was beat. By his own ideologie's admission, Capitalism is stronger.
The industrial revolution was hundreds of years ago. Not really relevant.
And surely bay boomers spending more money would be a good thing, putting more money into the ecenomy. But..they didn't. They put money into large companies, which grew larger, into corporations, which now have ALL the money, and don't need to give much of it up. They're the new robber barons, and people are happy to be their serfs.
The bottom one shows that since the change to variable pay (things like healthcare, overtime pay, etc. Any pay that isn't your plain jane salary) your real salary may have gone down, but real compensation has continued to rise.
For we national socialists, our need/wants/feelings/GOALS are not simply derived from * economic inequality * but our goals are focused on avoiding the racial melting pot, otherwise any threat to the existence of our people. If then the free market was more an ally of nationalism than internationalism it would then be an easy choice.
HENCE it is capitalism that REJECTS US!!! capitalism is reliant on freedom and everything that contains and evolves into. We see what this means first hand. In this era of ours right now.
So stop agreeing that a CEO needs specific qualities! They don't. They only need nepotism.
Don't lie, then flip flop, then call other people a dumb fuck. You're lucky you got your rich friends and family to cover for you, because you are fucking dumb, and wouldn't have the sense to flip burgers otherwise.
meh..its internet. In these current times it is very common to own your own company and have 0 workers in it.
Im one. I sell shit online. Not one worker to my CEO ship. And that's a LOT Of amazon sellers too. They own a company. They are the CEO. They have no workers. Software developers the same. They own their company. They are the CEO. They have no workers. And its growing...more and more people in business for themselves. All you need is a connection to the www and your states tiny business registration fee to be a CEO.
>>59967205 Why would any national socialist ever * admit * capitalism is stronger? let me school you here.
Western europe, capitalist europe, combined had a larger population than Germany+Italy axis. Who won? Capitalist europe was DEFEATED and quickly turned to communist east and foreigner america for help. Capitalism was the first defeated ideology of ww2, remember that * brit *
We were defeated by JEWRY, the suddenly so easily allied communism and capitalism.
This alliance is more than you think if you consider Englands willingness to go to war with Germany over the soviet union for the same reasons.....the alliance was not simply their alliance in war, but the bias they displayed for years prior to work together against national socialist. Do you deny this bias being clear in years leading up?
Really though I more pissed that I have to work 40 hours a week all people need to live is food water and shelter. Food and water is almost exclusively processed by automation, housing is in a massive shortage forcing the entire population into 40+ hour weeks working inefficient non-jobs since automation has taken most of the working class jobs, I literally feel like Im wasting my life doing nothing for no fucking apparent reason.
>>59968415 You can thank him for the foreigners in your nation and what you picture the people of your nation looking like in 200 years, also. Britian was fine until they made us go fight national socialist Germany. Then they turned into The enemy.
>>59963322 this these guys make decisions that can cost companies more than your whole family will earn for the entire life they are paid really low compared how much they earn for the company (and how much they don't fuck up) if a company owners didn't like it, they would not pay these money, it's that simple
>>59964663 >claims that communism works as a tribe mentality
Then why are literal tribes selling off their lower classes as slaves to this day? Why are crime rates higher among the less educated if they have this so called base urge to help each other? Why does incentive to help others somehow trump self-preservation which all other animals follow?
You have a flawed world view and it will not aid you in your life.
The Slavs turned Socialist because they're fuckwit peasents. And now they're stronger then they ever were because of capitalism. Germany had the element of surpise and apathy from the West. The second we got serious, that was it. Don't forget, America is the centre of the Capitalist West.
You weren't defeated by Jewery, you were defeated by the fact that fucking everyone else over makes them angry. And that Capitalism's strength: volentary association and mutal benefit. Even Russia and China would be hard pressed to assualt Europe and America because they rely on our money. China military is funded by the cheap shit they export to America. Hitler's "economic miracle" was based on false promises to companies that he would pay them back if they industrialized. Then he went and started WW2 before he ever had to. Had WW2 not started, he would have had to constantly expand and take over more territory to fund his campaign. And then, when he had taken everything over? No-one one state can hold that much land or territory, because Hitler wasn't god. An enslaved population will always rise up, and if they don't, they'l;l simply rebel by being lazy and unintelligent. Fascism can only ever end the way Socialism ends: with inefficiency, corruption and breakown through attrition. Capitalism is the only system that dangles the carrot in front of the retarded masses, and that carrot will take us beyond Mars.
England wasn't going to war with Germany. In fact, most of England was fascist sympathizing until Germany invaded Poland. I'd say its fascist sympathizing now, what do you think modern Liberalism is? Its a state religion, its fascism, just in a different form. Liberals want companies to work for the common good, rather than for profit, its just their common good is equality, while your is "the nation". Both ideas are religious horseshit.
There is no nation, there is noequality. Both concepts are fantasies.
>>59969157 Everyone should look at this cuckold. Right away he is admitting that, as a brit, nay all of western europe is reliant on a nation not even in europe- u.s.a .
Also what the fuck is this? * Germany had the element of surprise * LOL England sent the declaration of war to Germany. The delusion is real. Either England was absolutely dumb, thus wrong, and was surprised, or it was not surprised and went into this war intently and still lost. How about just not enter the war and allow the nat soc state to engage the soviet union, so the fascists parties in western europe could gain huge popularity and over throw the capitalist ones?
England entering this war like some sacrifice pawn prevented fascist/nat soc take over or at least huge political gains in western europe....absolutely terrible.
I should be able to look back on my ancestor, not as men who were sent by england to go back stab Germany but as men who were sent by a fascist England to go end the soviet union and soon u.s.a .
Instead our reality is extinction. This will change.
Yeah how awful that somebody who bears a tremendous responsibility for the company be compensated according to what the investors believe is reasonable? The CEO's salary is an expense just like the wages of any of the other employees. Why would they give one employee that much money if they didn't feel he was worth it?
Know why? Because if they don't pay him what he likes he will just go to a different company who will pay him more. And if he's very, very good at his job then they will be losing a valuable asset and giving it to a competitor, and will also damage their chances of getting a suitable replacement once it gets out that they don't compensate their CEOs well.
A CEO's decisions can make or lose huge amounts of money for the company and for the shareholders. His ability to give returns to the investors is the skill which he is hired for. That's why he's valued. The work the average employee does is not nearly as valuable to the shareholders, so they don't care about his wage.
According this article roughly 70% of employees of fast food restaurants like this are paid min. wage. That sounds reasonable for this experiment. 537,000 x .70 = 375,900 living in squalor.
So that darn evil horrible CEO is taking home $22 million a year when his fry cooks can't afford an iPhone 6. Let's have a political revolution and take 100% of that shitlord's money away:
22,000,000 divided by 375,900 to give back to all his employees = $58.53 that can be given back to the employees a year.
Since the argument is no one working 40hrs a week should be working a shitty "non-livable" wage let's give the CEO's (the guy who's worked his entire life to be in his current position) money to all these impovershed employees. If they work 40 hrs a week, 50 weeks a year, that means each employee works 2,000 hours a year.
So, let's take all the shitlord's money and increase the fry cook's minimum wage!
$58.53 divided by 2,000 = .02 increase to hourly minimum wage.
>average wages adjusted for inflation. >average wages >average
Average doesn't matter in a country with such a gigantic wage disparity. "Among those paid by the hour, 1.3 million earned exactly the prevailing federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour. About 1.7 million had wages below the federal minimum. Together, these 3.0 million workers with wages at or below the federal minimum made up 3.9 percent of all hourly paid workers." >http://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/cps/characteristics-of-minimum-wage-workers-2014.pdf
>3.9% of all hourly paid workers are paid minimum wage or less
Depends what we're reliant on. For survival? No. If America disapeared tommorow, we wouldn't starve. Reliant on for higher needs such as fuel and commerce? To an extent yes. You see, no nation has all the resources it needs inside its borders. And unless you take over the entire planet (which you can't without killing everyone, by which point you won't have the manpower to extract those resources anyway), you need to trade.
England didn't lose retard, we wouldn't have lost without any backup. Germany could not have invaded England, or America. They could have seiged us, not outright invaded because of the English channel and Atlantic ocean respectively. They couldn't land troop and supply them. The only reason they took over France was because it was within range of their tanks.
>allow the nat soc state to engage the soviet union, so the fascists parties in western europe could gain huge popularity and over throw the capitalist ones?
Because germany invaded Poland. That was the signal to England Germany wasn't going to stop expanding and they became a threat. So Britain mobilized.
*Back stab* Germany? You pathetic cuck, they wouldn't have left anyone alone if they had the means. They were threat. Britain took action. Also, England *wasn't* fascist, I said fascism was a popular ideology. It was democratic, obviously.
No it won't change. Canada is within firing range of the US. You can't even sneeze without the US annexing you.
Not that, do you know why it also won't change? For the very reason you're on the interent now: capitalism. Canada is a freer economy than the US, and its working there. So much so that even LARPers living in their Mom's basement like you can survive and live comfortably. And if fascism does rise again, it won't be under the banner of a united germany, it will be under the banner of equality and multicult.
Also, you forget something: fascism RELIES on capitalism. Hitler was a Capitalist.
>>59970450 >Know why? Because if they don't pay him what he likes he will just go to a different company who will pay him more. OR because he wines and dines the board and lets them use the company jet or the company getaway mansion in aruba in exchange for looking the other way when he gives himself a ton of free shit
not that there's any legislative action that could be taken about that that wouldn't be either ineffectual or disastrous
"Federal economic statistics confirm this prediction: Employee compensation has largely grown in tandem with labor productivity over the past two generations. Productivity rose 100 percent between 1973 and 2012, while hourly employee compensation rose almost as much—77 percent. As discussed below, measurement problems that inflate reported productivity account for most of the remaining difference. Workers have shared in the gains from higher productivity."
I don't even know what stereotypical word to describe you as. Chav? Bong? You don't understand fucking economics and you're trying to discuss it with semantic arguments. Do me a favor and look up the age groupings of those minimum wage workers.
>>59963232 The wall street crisis actually helped the rich, it only destroyed their competition, so extra rich became even more rich after they took over market of those smaller millionaires perished in crisis. The biggest guys have Jewish & government support, they can't die.
60 million Americans depending on 'low wage' workers >http://www.epi.org/press/60-million-people-depend-on-the-incomes-of-low-wage-workers-in-america-increasing-the-federal-minimum-wage-would-benefit-on-average-more-than-135000-people-in-each-congressional-district/
"In 2014, 77.2 million workers age 16 and older in the United States were paid at hourly rates, representing 58.7 percent of all wage and salary workers. Among those paid by the hour, 1.3 million earned exactly the prevailing federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour."
>>59970635 >m-muh minimum wage >again >you YOURSELF point out that's less than 5% who fucking cares
anyways, WAGES by definition are hourly. Someone compensated annually is SALARIED. Anybody who makes decent money is SALARIED. The MUH 1% don't factor into AVERAGE WAGES.
Assuming you're economically illiterate at this point so there's no fucking way you'd produce any statistic proving real wages have gone down. This is because economics isn't a zero-sum game. Not that you have any fucking clue what that is
>>59970636 In the long run England would have lost. Its ability to fight back would have been kept to near 0 as Germany had air superiority.
If the power that was on display invading the soviets, instead was just focused on England. Well- we can only say the intention was never to invade England in the first place. Nothing to gain. >Hitler was a capitalist It seems to be most capitalists/freedom lovers that say otherwise. But by all means if the capitalist system can be used within the authoritarian national socialist rule, it can be. I believe the term is closer to national corporatism.
Also you seem to think trade is necessary, or that trade is somehow not possible for the fascist/nat soc state. Trade occurred in Germany and Italy, even with the soviet union itself. But Germany and Italy were also heavily pushing towards Autarky. This was proven successful more so than the international capitalist systems, as western europe crumbled to axis might.
Autarky, and trade what you must. Superior to this rampant internationalist capitalism.
It always comes back to how everything you're saying was defeated in ww2, and you can only come back to say * no * with a bunch of communists backing you up.
>>59971475 Only a tiny minority of people are even paid the federal minimum wage, the vast majority of the country is paid over it. Talking literally over 95% of the country is paid above minimum wage. Get fucked you commie loser.
Also, with regard to age, from the BLS pdf YOU linked.
"Minimum wage workers tend to be young. Although workers under age 25 represented only one-fifth of hourly paid workers, they made up nearly half of those paid the federal minimum wage or less".
In other words, of those 3.9%, half were under age 25. In other words, kids. Fuck off.
>>59971604 Not misleading at all. The data is easily derivable, and its easier to link an article which does it (regardless of source) rather than do entry level economics work. The point is that real compensation has risen, which if you go way up into the thread, +86rIOyc had originally asked tangentially. Real wages are no longer an accurate measurement because of the switch to variable pay.
I'd argue it would have been a stalemate. England had anti-aircraft guns and manufacturing, so it likely would have ended up a waste of money for Germany.
"Autarky" doesn't exist in anyone but tribes, and even there, its rarely ever used. Virtually group of people in histroy has had to trade to some extent with neighbours, except North Korea because they rely on donations from China and South Korea.
You keep talking about crumbling nations, but that's fascism can actually do - destroy. It can't build in any meaningful way. No system can except free trade. Autarky won't work because it relies on slavery, something that has been known throughout history to be inefficient because slaves are retarded and lazy.
Yeah, no. Because the fact is you were defeated. You could easily have been defeated by America and ironically Cnada. Also, do you think France completely submitted? The Germans were still having problems controlling French rebels towards the end.
>>59972064 France conceding is evidence of the peoples will to fight an enemy that shouldn't be an enemy. They were complacent with the fact their government lost, and fascist rule agreed with many. Removal of jews, and english influence.
Look at vichy france...for a nation under occupation that might be the most stockholm syndromed occupation in history.
Look at Germany when it was invaded. It fought to the very end, not only to Berlin but to the very blocks that Hitlers bunker was in. What other nation do you think would fight till its leader doorstep?
I believe England would have conceded just as France if it was not protected by water.
But the fact remains we shouldn't have even been at war. Once the war against the soviet union was launched, then the west would not be able to touch Germany. Politically, Germany would be seen as a hero to too many men in the west. This is what should have happened, not england suddenly placing itself between Germany and the soviets via * Protecting Poland right to lay claim to the city of Danzig *
>>59963232 >Minimum wages are abolished >People have less green paper >Companies have to make products cost less green paper because if nobody buys their product then they have less green paper and won't make a profit >Easy since workers are paid less green paper so product are cheaper to manufacture >With an added bonus the companies can hire people with no experience for less green paper >These people get more experience and climb higher in the corporate ladder at an early age where they won't need as much green paper to survive
Anyone should have a contract with anyone they want for any reason they see fit for how ever much money they want. Welcome to free market principals nigga.
>>59972629 Yes, but for one that's not what anon was originally asking for, and for two I have no issue with because it isn't problematic as far as the economy or well being of a nation's citizens goes.
>>59972064 It is also important to note that you give up many higher values in the goal of economic superiority, despite this being proven weak throughout history specifically in ww2 to the point of saying * no but u.s.a * as a european. While sacrifice higher values. Now about those higher values.
We reject capitalism and your rampant individualism/materialism because it is not hard to understand that the germanic, or celtic, or any recessive peoples will go extinct in the racial melting pot. We simply oppose the racial melting pot and believe in the ideology that strongly provides a path against it.
I don't even think Britians standards of living was higher than Germanys back then....but let's say it was. For this tiny increase you are willing to sacrifice your peoples future? To the racial melting pot?
The best you can say is there are slight economic/materialistic gains to be had in freedom/internationalism/racial melting pot- and even I don't believe in that * slight * gain because it obviously wasn't there in western europe in ww2.
>>59963322 >sorry all this land and resources are ours but you can work to get a tiny bit for yourself >if you don't want the paycheck just starve to death bro, damn #ancap4lyfe
OP pic is bullshit though. Very few CEO's actually earn that much and it's nowhere near average. But until the homestead act comes back free market faggots can get fucked
>>59964272 Yeah there is. 1. Businesses have to be somewhat successful. Presidents just have to win a popularity contest among people that are kind of dim. 2. Presidents make way more than their salary anyway. 3. Businessmen are there to make money, presidents are supposed to serve their country.
>>59972501 Sorry, forgot you're economically illiterate. CPI (consumer price index, "consumer" meaning "person who buys", "price" meaning "amount of square paperydoos you give for the thing you're buying") is a measure of the cost of living in dollar amounts.
CPI vs inflation is then an objective measure of a rise of cost of living versus inflation, which is what I was measuring minimum wages against. If your claim is true and you're not cherrypicking, it should be relatively easy to prove.
Not that it matters, by the way, because CEO compensation has almost no bearing on the price of consumer goods and services that would mark a rise in cost of living.
>>59966877 >Consumption drives the US economy, and if demand is down because nobody has the money to spend, what happens? Shift of the production into capital and luxury goods. Things that CEO's want to buy.
>>59972723 what about >why capitalism is bad >picture of modern u.s.a with its racial birth statistics on display, european is not even majority anymore >picture of modern europe predicted racial stats in 100-200 years
>n-no! this isnt capitalism Uh yes it is. Capitalism has only ever been held back by nationalism. Every economist I've found to try to prove me wrong, to imply freedom can be on the side of ethnic nationalism- has not been found. Hence I understand why the national socialists and fascists were so anti-capitalist.
>>59963232 Posts socialism crap like this and doesn't even realize most of the richest people in Congress are Democrats. And doesn't even touch on how much socialist loving hollywood people make per movies.
>>59963232 This is literally the dumbest shit ever. The average CEO earns nowhere near this, this is literally just the S&P 500 which are some of the largest companies in the world. When you have to lead 25000, 50000+ employees and your yes/no decisions can cost tens of thousands of jobs you deserve high pay
This would not happen simply because it would cause the company to take more overall losses in the long run, losing an entire country of blind idiots to sell overpriced garbage to, while simultaneously making all goods they do try to import into the country subject to tariffs and shit. Furthermore, more Americans with plenty of newly found spending money, should corporations decide not to commit sudoku, could the extremely unlikely event that any further major labor laws/policies, they now have a larger, more profitable market.
>>59974809 >the capitalist system discourages minorities with no money or skills What? No I'm pretty sure there are plenty of scenarios in history in which capitalist systems have encouraged the use of any foreigner willing, or in your american case even the unwilling- to come supplement the labor force.
Fix your delusion before speaking. I mean did you really type that? If I go to some farm in texas am I going to see a bunch of poor uneducated mexicans working labor? Capitalism.
>>59975099 >If I go to some farm in texas am I going to see a bunch of poor uneducated mexicans working labor? Do you expect businessmen and entrepreneurs to do farm work? Without minimum wage these people will have to compete with the native population, because right now it's literally fucking illegal to ask to be paid below a certain number. Again, no one cares about your ethnic bullshit. As long as immigrants assimilate I'm fucking happy.
>Fix your delusion before speaking. Says the person expecting skilled white people to do farm work.
>>59975453 That is the literal argument, which system is better at preventing the racial melting pot and securing our peoples future and existence. You have admitted capitalism has failed in this regard and are content with it. Of course your ethnicity is up to question as an american so your opinion is worth almost dog shit running a 40% chance of not being european/white.
I wish there was some kind of rule when someone makes a certain amount of money of the people in a certain nation, that person is obligated to at least do something in return for the nation, investments or something like that. When we live in a world that runs on money, having lots of it gives you lots of freedom to do whatever. Anyway, I actually don't really see how this would work, nor do I have a clue how this would be implemented in our society.
>>59975788 >I wish there was some kind of rule when someone makes a certain amount of money of the people in a certain nation, that person is obligated to at least do something in return for the nation, investments or something like that.
If the money came from voluntary trade, he's already done something for the nation. He's provided goods and services that were more necessary to the people than the money they paid.
>>59977403 You mean a native? They aren't a foreign element and have the same stake the european does in avoiding the racial melting pot to secure their peoples existence.
I can see you have no understanding of this. All that needs to be said here is that you are for the racial melting pot. Lines in the sand need to be drawn not just here as what I just did, but in society as a whole. Only then will the national socialist movement once again return to oppose.
>>59978197 Yes, I am half native and half scottish. Both of these peoples are subject to the racial melting pot and I cannot picture their existence in 100, 200 years nor can anyone prove otherwise at this rate.
What are you? Or are you one of those americans that are so mixed that they can't actually identify as anything whatsoever and that is why your individualism is so easily able to take over your motivations? Hence the * I don't care if my people go extinct*
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