What does /pol/ think of the Brotherhood of Steel?
> knightly order
> pro-human agenda
> hatred of non-human "abominations"
> dedicated to the preservation of advanced technology
Mr. House, the last hope for the Wasteland, sums them up perfectly. They're ridiculous hypocrites who should just be wiped out.
In Fallout 1 and 2, you could see that they were a problem.
The world was getting better. Rebuilding was in progress.
But the Brotherhood stayed locked away, hoarding their technology, when they should be out the Wasteland helping settlements get back on their feet.
The Brotherhood made sense in the early days, when mankind was on the brink of total elimination and preservation of Pre-War tech was important.
The Brotherhood has become a bank that takes money but no longer allows any withdrawals.
But like so many other things, Fallout 3 ruined the series and made it so apparently the world is going to be shit forever and the Wasteland will always be barely hanging on.
In that way, the Brotherhood is a good thing.
But that's shittier than the original idea
Best faction, given what we have to work with. Railroad = aimless vigilantes, Institute = pussies dicking around underground, Minutemen = most neutral but will never be powerful. May as well join the Brotherhood and purge degeneracy.
> more than a dozen posts
> no Legion posts
Caesar's Legion is the only good choice for long term survival and prosperity
> AVE, TRUE TO CAESAR!
>for long term survival and prosperity
House is (effectively) immortal. Literally, you what, m8? I won't discredit what he his actually trying to do since I've seen the cut dialogue and such but what you just said is completely bullshit.
They are literally niggers dressed as post apocalyptic romans.
>Pro human agenda
>Side quest where you literally steal food from local farmers
>Murdering innocents when you storm the railroad and the institute.
Their agenda is pro brotherhood. I finished the main story in fallout 4 with them, and I can say they are literally the shittiest things in the commonwealth
The only faction that I aid love and trust is Mr house/ Robert house faction
Just a bunch of people dressed up in football gear LARPing as Romans
>fuck each other in the ass because something about not fucking women
Anyone who doesn't like the NCR is a faggot.
The NCR is the best faction of all Fallout games. They're US-style democracy, with a manifest destiny-mind. Every faction that fought them was destroyed and they keep extending themselves, annexing everything in their path.
Fallout 3 try to find your father
Fallout 4 try to find.your son
Fallout new Vegas you must choose the fate of west coast factions the strongest factions in the post apoclyptic war using a half machine half human character that's the strongest character in fallout lore
Therefore fallout new Vegas is the best fallout
I got out of vidya years ago but I hear the newest game in the series actually isn't great. Is it lacking nostalgia goggles, just bad gameplay, does it have a poor story? What is it? /v/ is filled with faggots and shills I wouldn't trust to tell me the time of day.
>They're US-style democracy
Fuck that shit.
They're doomed to fail because they are like the US democracy. Corrupt and inefficient as hell.
They just take shit and leave the citizens hanging. They are the brotherhood but without the sweet armor.
Besides, the legion almost wiped them out at the first battle of hoover dam
I guess since this is a faggout thread, how did you guys like FO4?
I have 40 hours on it, haven't played it for about 6 weeks now, it got old really quick
Any good mods that will make this game playable yet?
So pretty much they're just like Pre-war america and will suffer the same fate? Nice job, frog.
Independent vegas or BUST.
>E-Z grow plants that grow with little to no water in a matter of days
>brain extraction and life extension technology
Blackjack and Hookers
They butchered the RPG system they have removed the dialouge system they added a shitty poor story yeah its cycles got bored After 3 hours of gameplay it feels more like a first person shooter with few RPG stuff more than a fallout game that's why witcher 3 > fallout 4
Its ok but it has been watered down somewhat in gameplay and story for mass appeal. Thus oldfags pin away for the days of fallout 2 and talk about how the new games all suck. Same way and for the same reasons they trash skyrim and praise oblivion.
Also BOS is best faction by far.
Yep, and realistically, NCR is going to win and take back America. Unless the Eastern BoS changes and allows more people in their order. NCR wins by pure numbers. Like they did in the west.
They actually do have the armor. No, not the salvaged power armor. If you go to the area you nuke in lonesome road you find an NCR guy with the Bear armor, which is working T-45 suit that has been customized. You also find working T-45 suits in crates there. It's likely that NCR has a small number of working T-45 suits for their super duper elite forces. They strip the servos out of most of their armors to keep these few suits working, and use the husks of these stripped armors for their heavy troopers.
NCR probably doesn't have very many T-51b, but you'd think they'd have some of those and some APA kicking around after beating the enclave.
I read somewhere that the Legion was supposed to be bigger with Ceaser being further away from the damn. He was supposed to be the pinnacle of Roman civilization but the further you got from him the more corrupt his governors would be.
Two of the three recent games to include the BoS have both been incredibly poorly written, fallout 3 and 4.
New Vegas, 1, and 2 made it clear that they were impeding progress and the rebuilding of the wasteland. In fallout 2 the only faction that made sense was the enclave. In fallout new vegas it was Mr. House.
Release the cloud
Sit back and chill in the casino
This. House wants to use securibots ( upgraded robot army) to enforce law in the wastelands. He realizes that earth is completely fucked anyways and wants to built a colony ship to leave the planet and colonise another planet and start over. It's really the only viable option at this point.
>the house always wins
That assumes competent leadership and the foundations of a strong nation, which NCR doesn't have. NCR is corrupt and inefficient, rotten to the core. It panders to special interests and leaves the needs of its people unsatisfied.
NCR is between a rock and a hard place right now. They're in an expansion mode that they can't stop, but it's killing them. NCR needs to keep absorbing more territory to prop up its economy, satisfy the hungers of its elite class, and give a frontier for their poor people to colonize or die trying to get them out of their hair. However, the NCR is biting off more than it can chew. Longer supply lines combined with inefficient administration result in the NCR's forces being weak and under equipped. As we see in LR the NCR has loads of advanced weaponry, Vertibirds (more than just bear force one) and advanced armor. But most of those are protecting the homefront and what we see in the Mojave is troopers with shitty little vests (if that) and peashooter service rifles or even caravan shotguns. The military is stretched too thin. The NCR can barely handle the Legion, it would be fucked trying to go against the midwestern brotherhood which has advanced tech AND numbers.
So if it stops expanding, or slows its expanse, it can ameliorate those problems, but doing so causes problems at home. They will face greater social unrest and be forced to put it down with violence, losing their moral high ground as a democratic society in the process. It will become clear to the people of the NCR that their government now only serves rich resource barons and not the people's interests.
TL;DR, without expansion NCR faces economic collapse and domestic insurrection within 5-10 years. With expansion NCR faces economic collapse, local insurrections in colonized areas and vulnerability to nearly any competent opposing military force within the next 5-10 years. Neither scenario ends well for them.
Its intended. Caeser says he wants to take over the NCR because of their republic and senate, just like Caeser did in real life. He see's Hoover Dam as his rubicon and thinks conquering the NCR will transform the Legion from being a nomadic army into a military force equal of the real Rome.
I didnt say it would be easy or that possible, but they have to take that risk. Personally, after the Enclave failed, I'm now with the Eastern BoS. I do want the NCR to survive long enough to be destroyed by the BoS. XD
Assuming that Caesar doesn't plan for his succession. You think he organises the scum of America into a disciplined army and conquers vast swathes of land just to let his legacy die when he dies? The story for the legion was so half-arsed, you get the impression it would do exactly as you said. But come on - realistically, Caesar would secure his succession and legacy.
They're assholes who blew up the gold supply of the NCR, a country who was bringing civilization back again but the Brotherhood of Turks couldn't stand any other faction having technology
And what if he happens to die of a disease or some kind of random illness. It is post apocalyptic america were talking about. I doubt vaccines or medicine is advanced as it was before. He could easily go the way of Alexander the Great irl. And suffer the same fate in turn. Siding with the Legion is just to risky for me. Houses idea of building a space ship with the profits from new vegas and sending people to colonise another planet is a riskier but more promising idea.
Things can change during the chaos of a succession. It seems pretty clear that the legion under lanius is garbage.
if curie is not your waifu you are literally hitler
Lanius is brutal and excellent at conquering shit but i doubt he's as competent as Cesar when it comes to maintaining said territories.
>mfw Giant God Man Lanius killed by humble courier
Caesars Legion is the canonically safest area in the entire known world. Caravans do not need guns or security guards because the area is so safe. Of course the extreme safety of the lands comes with slavery and the Legion being ruthless, but being a free man under Legion territory is probably the safest life you can have.
Did you actually play the game? Or are you just not following my logic? The in-game year is 2281. Caesar's Legion has existed since 2247. Are you telling me, that in the thirty threeish years it has existed, that Caesar did not even think to consider his mortality and the succession of his mighty, brutal empire and civilisation?
Unless the Canadian Fallout NV was censored of the Legion for being the pure antithesis of all things Trudeau.
That doesn't matter. From the way Vulpes celebrates if Caeser is kept alive, and the various digs they have at each other (Lanius calling Vulpes a "man of words" and "trecherous") its implied the two of them at at odds regarding succession. And from what we know, if Caser dies, Vulpes does indeed back down from Lanius. Although the Legion under Vulpes would be just as bad, he's a brilliant tactician but a horrible man. He's one of the few people with "Very Evil" Karma, surpassing even Lanius and has shown he's not above using nuclear warfare (Camp Searchlight) to achieve his goals.
>The next Fallout is about the MIdwest BoS vs NCR.
>The BoS have expanded all the way to Washington State.
>What does /pol/ think of the Brotherhood of Steel?
Jews - insular, paranoid, aggressive, supremacist, incredibly upset if they're not controlling everything...
>Insinuating that Vulpes would not be a supreme leader of the Legion.
It is. Its the kind of ruthless stupidity that caused the nuclear holocaust in the first place. Not that I'm saying the NCR are any better, they've done just as much if not worse things. They also used nuclear warfare at the Divide and will praise you if you release nuclear waste into Cottonwood Cove.
Even Caeser says he isn't a great man and has no love for the Legion, only Caeser himself.
>Genuinely believing Super Mutant retard nonsense.
>Implying there isn't already a death cult for the worship of Mars in the works. Caesar is after all, the son of the God of War, Mars. It's fucking Christianity and Islam but combined.
Enclave for life. Return to 1950s American values that survived into the 2070s with unrestricted nuclear development.
The Enclave is perfect, because they rounded up the hippies and sent them to mad scientists before the faggots got any momentum.
That's the point. Realistically, Caesar is a thug who leads an army of savages and talks tough. He resembles barbarians more than Romans.
The NCR on the hand is an actual functioning state with a disciplined army, laws, politicians....
As for me, I said fuck both of them and took NV for myself.
>Implying based Joshua won't return and turn the Legion into Mormon Rome.
>It's like the super mutant said, his men follow Caesar but not his ideology.
Super Mutants are 95% retard and 5% schizo. This is just leftist mythology that fascism is nothing but a personality cult and unsustainable in the long run which is simply false.
Hitler's dead and we still revere his political system don't we?
Then the whole Legion would be a pointless creation...? It would mean that for all the efforts Caesar has gone through, it would amount to literally nothing when he dies.
>The game designers made the Legion a plot twist and nothing more. With no long term goals at all beyond muh conquest. And if that is the case, then why the fuck would the player be allowed to side with such a pointless plot mover anyway, if ultimately it achieves nothing 1 - 25 years down the line.
I would assume he doesn't plan on dying and he intends to give the throne to his own offspring. He might even heirs not mentioned back home.
You see a glint of this when he says "I will have my Rome. Conquring Vegas will transform the Legion from basically a nomad tribe into a standing military power that protects its citizens and the power of *its* dictator".
Notice he doesn't say "my power". As it stands, the Legion is a nomadic tribe dependant on Caeser, but if you listen to his rambling about Hegelian dialectics, he intends for Hoover Dam to change his legion into a real civilization. And because he sause he says "its dictator" instead of "me", he's most refering to furture successors.
But you're right, the Legion is almost a plot point because they didn't have time to develop them properly. Ulysses was supposed to be a Legion companion and so forth.
>Hitler's dead and we still revere his political system don't we?
you do, but after Hitler's death, there is no unified national socialist movement, no new fuhrer. national socialism at the moment is a handful of people with no power at all, divided into several organizations, arguing about what nazism should be and who to follow. pretty much the same thing happened to fascists, francoists and every totalitarian dictatorship that didn't turn into basically hereditary monarchies, like North Korea or Cuba, or transformed themselves like Maoist China or Stalin's USSR.
so yeah, it seams like these movements/states do fall apart once the greal leader is dead.
That's entirely speculation. It's already shown within the written lore that if Cesar dies, Lanius takes over while Vulpes backs down. Therefore Lanius is killed by the courier at Hoover. Which means either Vulpes will take the postion as de facto leader or the Legion collapses entirely. And even with Vulpes in power the legion is merely a former shell of itself.
>canadian version of vidya
>implying i voted liberal and like trudeau because im canadian.
Oi m8 im laffin. The game came out while Trudeau was still a drama teacher.
See this post. I agree with this entirely.
To be honest, I think all systems do. Rome, The British Empire, Socialism, Monarchy - over time they've all fallen apart. Even Capitalism, a system that relies on human greed, is being eroded, though it still seems to be safe for now.
I just don't think humans can ever commit to a system forever. I bet the Romans felt just as secure in their civilization as many of us do now. "Oh, we won't ever go back to ignorance and world war, we've learned our lessons!" How many times do we have to learn them? Liberals especially are developing into what you could call cup-cake fascists themselves. And then I give them 10 years before someone gets sick of their shit and overthrows them.
That's true. Is there even a canon to the story. I sort of wish Bethesda treated it like Elder Scrolls where there is some structure to the story and the ending remains canon in some way.
The brotherhood doesn't do shit for the common wealth or Capitol wasteland
They enjoy circle jerking over killing super mutants
The minute men kill raiders and super mutants and actually help settlers and farmers.
>Every faction that fought them was destroyed
Except the Legion almost had them at the 1st battle of Hoover Dam and the Courier (If you chose a non-NCR path) fucked them all in the ass individually. He literally waves his hand and the Murderbots erase the NCR from the NV.