Western hypocrisy 2nd edition
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Not hypocrisy as much as it is selective information (gathering). Probably 70% the people I know that were upset about Paris (rightfully so, it was fucking tragic) only know of Iraq of all the countries in that picture.
They're also the same people that don't think about children getting killed in airstrikes, only "bad guys".
So, more like "Western disinformation"
I mean, are under the age of 23? Have you spent a lot of years on this website? I personally don't think it's funny. Happening threads are great and all, but thinking of my family, it turns a little sour.
>Your cousin and his gf over at your house one day
>They go to a concert
>They are slaughtered by gunfire at a supposed fun event, and you have no idea how long they suffered or their final thoughts.
>Kids share their bloody aftermath for the rest of time
Idk m8, only funny if you're an edgelord
Look at how much respect Islamic countries have for Christian nations:
They will never cry for Western countries either but according to leftist cucks and Muslims that are living here we are supposed to care about all of them.
People in Western countries care more about events like 9/11 or the Paris attacks because it isn't supposed to happen since these places are thought of as safe.
We are also more united than all those third world countries and Islamic countries, we actually care about each other.
It's true that muslims are more consistent in their views.
wow......I wonder who is posting this thread?
OP the sand nigger
I am an old Doctor of Pharmacology (no joke). I know I am not right in the head and completely lack empathy to anyone. I work primarily with infectious disease and regularly take tissue samples from people post-mortem or surgery. I did not even blink an eye the first time I had to cut the skin off someone. The smell was the worst part.
I know I have sociopath tendencies. I hate people. I hate being social (not a fear or anxiety). I put on a fake face when ever I talk to people outside or at work.
So, yea, I did find it funny.
Well it doesn't matter to us that people elsewhere dies. They have nothing to do with us Europeans. Why should we care? Shouldn't we be just happy that they are having hard time? They are an opponent after all.
Muslims kill each other 24/7 and always will. That is the difference.
they literally brought it on themselves
>huur lets bomb sand people into oblivion and then invite their surviving family members into our country en masse, thats nothing like the plot to any revenge story
You're honestly surprised people are more sympathetic to tragedies that occur in first world nations. When bad things to people who share your culture and heritage in towns that look like the ones you grew up in, you are way more likely to relate to it.
Is this really that foreign of a concept?
"Islam's useful idiots" version
who said we care about muslims?
we cried for the western victims
You could say it is human hipocrisy.
People care for:
1. Family and friends.
2. Their immediate community/ surroundings.
4. Similar or close-by nation/race/tribe.
Proximity matters, as well as personal experience with a certain group.
Use your brain for once, not just your feels.
Western nations have killed a lot of innocent people in their efforts to kill people who richly deserved it. But they don't specifically target innocent people. That's the difference. In the most recent Republican debate--and remember, the Republicans are supposedly the more bloodthirsty party--Ted Cruz was forced to walk back comments about "carpet bombing" ISIS strongholds because those comments suggested an indifference to the likelihood of civilian casualties. And even after having walked it back, many in both parties attacked him for being too violent and too militant.
To find an analogue to what happened in Paris and San Bernadino, you'd have to find a group of Westerners going to Istanbul or Riyadh or Cairo or Karachi and shooting random people in a public square. Can you find such an example?
>100 car bombs a day in shitty 3rd world countries
>one large attack in a place that is usually considered safe and where such attacks don't normally occur
Yeah it's different.
Not our fault your countries are shitty and have no security.
Maybe if people being beheaded on sidewalks wasn't a daily occurrence people would care more when it happened.
If the news and social media didn't push for people to mourn the dead in Paris do you think it would have been remotely the same outrage?
> acording to tribal census data at the time Columbus landed in hispaniola
It's worse than the numbers Jews throw around
>Muslims fight for what they believe in instead of surrendering
>millennial cucks somehow think it's bad
You can't fire me, kafir.
I'll jihad on you.
All those governments asked for the wests help. Unless those were terrorists bombings, in which case, who cares its just muslims killing other muslims. Give up your death cult of a religion and it won't happen anymore. Its sad though when non-muslims like in Paris have to deal with this just because they were kind enough to allow some of you into their country.
Why do you value what some puppet governments are doing? Why don't you know that we are bombing them as we speak so retaliation was expected? Are you implying that religion is the issue and not just a pretext/marketing tool?
I'm sorry but you should be objective and leave your opinion on religion out of geopolitics, causality is a thing.
Yes religion is the issue. And who is "we" muhammad, please fuck off out of the west and go back to your shithole and try to fix it.
>somehow people tend to care more about their neighbours, friends, etc.
Now run the same numbers for countries with puppet dictators and/or countries with militias armed by the west.
Causality is a thing if oil was irrelevant or somewhere else the numbers would be different, I'm sorry that facts are hurting your feefees.
>leave your opinion on religion out of geopolitics, causality is a thing
> implying Islam is not a cause
Nice taqqiya m8
I'm not shia and I don't believe in third-party commentaries made-up centuries after Islam was born.
Pro-tip: don't arm Islamic extremists and then cry about Islam:
>taqqiya is only shia taqqiya
Ouch, you're REALLY new.
Ok, let's begin.
> Taqqiya is an integral part of Islam, not a Shi'a concotion reference #1
Jalal al-Din al-Suyuti in his book, "al-Durr al-Manthoor Fi al-Tafsir al- Ma’athoor,”narrates Ibn Abbas’, the most renowned and trusted narrator of tradition in the sight of the Sunnis, opinion regarding al-Taqiyya in the Qur’anic verse:
>"Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, (they) shall have no relation left with Allah except by way of precaution ("tat-taqooh"), that ye may guard yourselves ("tooqatan") from them....(3:28)”
...that Ibn Abbas said:
>"al-Taqiyya is with the tongue only; he who has been coerced into saying that which angers Allah (SWT), and his heart is comfortable (i.e., his TRUE faith has not been shaken.), then (saying that which he has been coerced to say) will not harm him (at all); (because) al- Taqiyya is with the tongue only, (not the heart)."
>The two words "tat-taqooh”and "tooqatan,”as mentioned in the Arabic Qur’an, are BOTH from the same root of "al-Taqiyya.”
>The "heart”as referred to above and in later occurrences refers to the center of faith in an individual’s existence. It is mentioned many times in the Qur’an.
>from my point of view meme
>chimpout and murder apologist
ooga booga me kill you
Is your reading comprehension this bad? I don't care about third-party commentaries, it's man-made laws. And I'm pretty sure they talk about coercion to death and not shitposting on a chinese cartoons forum.
Work on your reading comprehension.
The hadith says:
> "The Prophet said, War is Deceit."
-- Sahih al Bukari, Vol 4, BK 52, Hadith 269
Ibn Abbas also commented on the above verse, as narrated in Sunan al- Bayhaqi and Mustadrak al-Hakim, by saying:
>"al-Taqiyya is the uttering of the tongue, while the heart is comfortable with faith."
>The meaning is that the tongue is permitted to utter anything in a time of need, as long as the heart is not affected; and one is still comfortable with faith.
>I'm pretty sure they talk about coercion to death and not shitposting on a chinese cartoons forum.
I'm pretty sure they talk about anything in service or furtherance of the faith, to avoid persecution, or to be kept from helping the umma. Shall we continue with the sharia and quranic justifications for taqiyya in Sunni Islam, you lying faggot?
>leaves out the part about coercion
>contextomy and poor reading comprehension
I'm really glad that anti-Islam criticism is so retarded, I'm starting to wonder if you're not a shia Muslim posting bad criticism because of taqqiya.
Didn't deny being a Muslim though. Your religion has no place in the world, let alone the west. It is incompatible with humanity.
How could you possibly expect humanity to care how many Muslims are dead, that's like caring how many plague carrying rodents drowned the previous day.
>I'm pretty sure they talk about coercion to death
No, they talk about "persecution", which ranges anywhere from arrest to death. It is narrated in al-Sirah al-Halabiyyah, v3, p61, that:
>After the conquest of the city of Khaybar by the Muslims, the Prophet (S) was approached by Hajaj Ibn `Aalat and told: "O Prophet of Allah: I have in Mecca some excess wealth and some relatives, and I would like to have them back; am I excused if I bad-mouth you (to escape persecution)?”
>The Prophet (S) excused him and said:
>"Say whatever you have to say."
So, taqiyya is fine if you need to avoid being hassled when you need to get your shit out of your apartment, and there's some h8rs in your hood. Ok, that's not "avoiding death"...
What about when the prophet gives you missions to assasinate people?
Bukhari vol 5 #36
>"Allah's messenger said "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His apostle?"
>Thereupon Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's messenger! Would you like that I kill him?"
>The prophet said, "Yes".
>Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Ka'b).
>The prophet said, "You may say it."
Yup, Muhammad said it's fine to lie to accomplish missions, like silencing people who insult the prophet. That's not "to avoid death", or even necessarily to avoid persecution, but just to get close enough to gank some guy.
Islam is not a homogeneous monolith, also you're moving goalposts, judge, jury and executioner, etc.
In my opinion people who chimpout (that includes you) and unironically want to kill innocent people are the issue disregard their religion/ethnic group. Once we have a universal framework to deal with that we can start focusing on interesting stuff like exploring space.
>muh chinese whispers hadiths made up centuries after his death by people who killed his descendants
Nice try taqqiya shia false-flag, I know your taqqiya ways.
> poor reading comprehension
I'm listing the sources so everyone can look up the context you claim is missing. They'll read it themselves, and you can't control what they see when they do. You're not going to change anyone's minds by denying what is freely available for all to read themselves.
It's funny you bring up the advancement of humanity. Exactly why I would love to see your God destroyed, proven so false that all of its followers weep and finally turn away from the most evil and backwards of religions(that is saying a lot, given how fucked up Abrahamic religions are).
Maybe then we can advance as a species, instead of worrying about mudslimes ruining the world because their moon God told them to.
>mudshits exterminate themselves
>mudshits exterminate baguette bros
It's go time
This whole meme makes me furious.
I got some leftist friends on Facebook that has been screaming for a more open society and mass immigration for years. But when these kind of things like Paris happens (thanks to the immigration) they go all-out rampage mode on every social media "#IstandwithParis", etc etc.
YOU ARE THE FUCKING ONES SUPPORTING THE TERRORISTS! YOU ARE THE REASON THIS HAPPENED YOU FUCKING RETARDS!!
I can't even comprehend how people can be this damn stupid, it's way.. WAY below my IQ level.
I'm so sorry but science has nothing to do with your feelings, the Nazis killed millions but they had a nice scientific framework. And besides, bellicose people like yourself are part of the problem.
I repeat: Islam is not a homogeneous monolith, if the Sufis/Ibadis ruled Saudi Arabia the Islamic world would be different, then again I'm replying to teenagers and mentally ill people (mainly for amusement) so I don't expect critical thinking or objectivity.
>shia false-flag taqqiya damage control
>Nice try taqqiya shia false-flag, I know your taqqiya ways.
So, I'm providing all these Sunni sources, and now you call me Shia?
>you're moving goalposts
Is that how you taqiyya, just accuse your opponent of everything you're doing?
First you said tqqiya was JUST a shia thing, then you said it was JUST to avoid death, then you said I'm a SHIA FALSE FLAG. Well, I can't be a Shia or a Sunni, because Muhammad is a pedophile and not the prophet of God, Islam is a plagiarism of Judaism and Christianity. Bacon tastes good. Did I mention Muhammad is fraud?
Islam is a dangerous ideology. Muslims are people who elect to follow this ideology. People who follow a dangerous ideology which is, at its core, anti-western and anti-me, do not matter to me when they die; at least, their deaths do no matter to me nearly as much as the deaths of people who share my core ideological views.
Muslims deflect all the time, but never take responsibility for their convictions and anti-western values. The spread of the caliphate and Muslims' desire for this to continue world-wide is nauseating and infuriating; a sure sign that they have disdain for our culture but wish to steal from it. Just knowing you're a Muslim living in France deflecting from Islam's issues, and as further reminder that France has a growing Muslim population repulses me.
Whether or not this word is included in the quran, is irrelevant. Mohammed was deceptive at times and this is considered honorable if not essential in Islam. That represents both Sunni and Shia. I will show you proof from your own holy book if you want.
>Islam is not a monolith
But that does not disprove that these groups are any more enlightened/worthy of consideration than Sunnis. Shia are not as bad, and you continue to attempt to mock someone for their supposed Shia beliefs. Sunnis are the huge majority, and the huge problem. If they all disappeared now, I would salivate.
> Shia false flag
Let's continue with the Sunni sources defending the practice of taqiyya:
>Narrated in Sahih Muslim (English version), >Chapter 1077 v4, p1373, Tradition #6303:
>Humaid b. ‘Abd al-Rahman b. ‘Auf reported that his mother Umm Kulthum daughter of ‘Uqba b. Abu Mu’ait, and she was one amongst the first emigrants who pledged allegiance to Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him), as saying that she heard Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
>A liar is not one who tries to bring reconciliation amongst people and speaks good (in order to avert dispute), or he conveys good.
>Ibn Shihab said he did not hear that exemption was granted in anything what the people speak as lie but in three cases:
>for bringing reconciliation amongst persons
>and the narration of the words of the husband to wife, and the narration of the words of a wife to her husband (lying in order to bring reconciliation between them).
Hmm. That sounds like a lot of lying is permitted. In Sunni Islam (and Shia, apparently) you can lie to:
> get your belongings
> murder people who insult Islam
> make peace between couples
> make peace in the community
The (Sunni) commentator of this volume of Sahih Muslim, Abdul Hamid Siddiqi, provides the following commentary:
>Telling of a lie is a grave sin but a Muslim is permitted to tell a lie in some exceptional cases, and this permission is given especially on three occasions:
> in case of battle for bringing reconciliation amongst the hostile Muslims and for bringing reconciliation between the husband and the wife.
On the analogy (Qiyas) of these three cases, the scholars of Hadith have pointed out some other exemptions:
>for saving the life and honor of innocent person from the highhandedness of tyrants and oppressors if one finds no other way to save them.
Please refer to Sahih Muslim
>Tradition no. 6303 p1373
>Abdul Hamid Siddiqui
Is taqiyya Sunni yet?
You won't trick me, I know you're allowed to lie you dirty taqqiya shia. By Allah you should be ashamed of your taqqiya, you're following third-party commentaries over the holy Qu'ran, preposterous!!!
I cannot take your seriously as your country started a lot of shit and supported terrorists when it was convenient. You need to deal with the fact that causality is real, as for the rest it's counter-productive ooga booga us vs them edgelord shit, people like you are part of the problem.
If some kid from Afghanistan with farmer parents who died from NATO bombing told you that the "western ideology" (retarded because no homogeneous monolith etc etc) is evil what would you say?
>TAQIYYAA TAQIYYAA TAQIYYAA TAQIYYAA
This is all I see on this stupid fuckass board all the time, it's literally the equivalent of calling someone a liar, not really a logical and reasonable way to argue.
If you're just going to shut down any debate with Muslims/Islam because we're all liars, then don't be surprised when you end up talking to the people who tell you only what you want to hear.
The comment section is cancer...
>literally a shia trying to force his taqqiya shit
Lmaoooo, are all shia this autistic? You're literally copy/pasting taqiyya garbage on the satirical containment board of a chinese cartoons forums. That's so taqqiya of you.
>complaining that criticism of Islam is retarded
Why? I'm a Muslim and I love this kind of criticism, it's an excellent filter in the long run.
>you should be ashamed of your taqqiya, you're following third-party commentaries over the holy Qu'ran
Taqiyya is FROM the quran:
>Quran, chapter 16, verse 106
>not getting punished for having to give up your faith under coercion means you're allowed to lie
My little shia can't be this dumb.
The thing is nobody cares when muslims die because muslims are the most unlikeable people on earth. They're just a bunch of disgusting fanatics following a barbaric religion. Why should we feel pity for a people who decapitates adulterers? Who stone women?
In shia islam this is how its interpreted literally.
Whereas in sunni islam its interpreted as 'infiltrate western society and blow yourself up'
Fuck off back to saudi arabia achmed
> says taqiyya isn't from the quran
> pretends we're talking about when taqiyya is acceptable
> says I keep moving goalposts
I'll just keep posting examples of the quran telling people they can lie then, so everyone can learn what taqiyya is like with a mudslime.
So a while back in Saudi Arabia, there was a fire at a girls' school and as some women were rushing to escape the flames, the police pushed them back inside the burning building because they weren't dressed appropriately to be in public.
>not being punished for having to give up your religion under coercion != you're allowed to lie
Your reading comprehension is the issue here, how surprising (not actually surprising).
All religions are grown up big boy now except pisslam who get's "offended" constantly.
>not being punished for having to give up your religion under coercion != you're allowed to lie
No, it means you can lie with your words, as long as you fo not give up faith in your heart. It says this clearly in many verses of the quran.
So, we can clearly agree. taqiyya to avoid persecution or cruelty by tyrants and oppressors who are non-believers is in the quran -- not just a Shia invention.
Taqiyya is Islamic, for Sunni and Shia, not just one or the other, not just from the hadith -- it is directly from the Quran.
Hey Anglos, how long are you planning on being buddies with the petrolmonkeys in the gulf who've been financing 99% of the terrorism in the world?
Are you really retarded? You post me a verse of the qur'an specifically linked to coercion and you talk about lying with your words. So if these verses even exist... post em. And yes it is a shia invention as shias came under constant opression from sunnis even today the west seems to want to back the sunni oppressors over the shias who have never attacked the west once.
Wow you Americans are a true level of retard I mean how many more years before it becomes obvious to you all that bumfucking saudi arabia leads to consequences.
Do you see now, that by lying about taqiyya, there was a cause-and-effect relationship? You prompted me to post ALL THAT SAUCE for these plebs, who now have ALL THAT AMMUNITION against lying Muslims in the future. Just scrolling through this thread, look at ALL THAT BTFO.
Now, every time a mudslime comes here to shill, like they have for years, they'll get BTFO right off the bat, just like you did. You just helped redpill all these people against Islam. You'll continue to deny it, like every mudslime does, but no one cares, because we know how you lie. We're experts on your bullshit.
Thank you for playing goatfucker.
But they did though didn't they. Atheists seem to associate their religion because of a few popscientists like dawkins who have contributed little or none to the scientific community.
All I'm saying is that you shouldn't link that to religion, it should be cultural at best. Third-party commentaries (from sunni bearded men too) can be really retarded. Even tho I'm sunni I won't defend every sunni scholar/imam over facts.
>implying I don't want more people to copy/paste retarded propaganda full of logical fallacies
You get the reactionary idiots, we get the objective and intellectually honest people. I proved you wrong over and over, to this very post, and you kept moving goalposts.
most people are brainwashed. I'm the black sheep, the shepard is the jew and the wolves are the islamic peoples
Would you be more upset if your family/friend got attacked, or a random stranger got attacked? I'm not saying that the attacks in other countries weren't as bad as the Paris attacks, but we have less in common with those countries. Still RIP to all victims of war and terrorism.
>if oil was irrelevant
You mean like in Nigeria with the Boko Haram? Your religion is one of death and suffering for non-muslims wherever it is. Its fine, it just has no place anywhere in the world that is not 100% muslim.
>Nigeria has no natural resources
Are you okay?
Go bomb some kids so your overlords can get some oil and then lecture me on religions of death.
Not every country support and arm death militia groups, it's mainly the USA. Why are you trashtalking your allies?
They don't care about what happens to us either.
Once again taking a trait found in all of humanity and acting as though it is exclusively found in "The West" AKA White People.
Did Vietnam give two shits about the Paris attacks? Of course fucking not.
wheres the hypocrisy in that pic? kebabs killing each others to prove how fuckin savage they are. then they come to the civilised world and kill our people to show how savage they are;. and we'tre supposed to feel sorry for them?
>Your country is responsible for my dangerous ideology which has remained dangerous for more than a millennium
Nice strawman, but I never mentioned my fight against Islam being a nationalistic one. Western ideals are not only American, they are western. I am not responsible for what my government may/may not have done, but I am responsible for my own convictions, and you yours. You need to deal with the fact that your religion is a problem with or without USA shenanigans.
>I'm going to ignore your argument with like "edgelord"
nice buzzword; irrelevant too. Did you gloss over the part where I said your religion is a clearly dangerous one?
>If some kid from a backwards, meaningless country with no significant civilization worth mentioning thought your ideology is responsible for his parent's deaths, would you care, shitlord?
I don't care about him, whether my personal beliefs of democracy and personal freedom are responsible for his parents deaths or not, he comes from a 100% Islamic country. I do not care about him or them.
I honestly don't think you read the entirety of my post, rather a constellation of a green text.
I never used the word "taqiyya" to decry a Muslim in this thread, nor did I attempt to deflect any of his specific statements with the "taqiyya" animadversion. In fact, your Muslim friend from France used it to mock a supposed "Shia" Muslim, an attempt which was damage control because that person is clearly oh-so-haram. So, he used the word pejoratively, but hypocritically, because it is absolutely true that Mohammed used deception at times, and that deception as a tactic is honored in Islam.
Again, strawmen all day from your Muslims. I never attempted to shut down the debate by using that word. My argument is strong enough on its own.
Middle East has been a warzone from the beginning of time, even before people there were fucking bacteria killing each other in the name of the holy jihad, that's how long those kikes have been fighting. Expecting us to feel bad for them is retarded and comparing war to an act of terrorism is ultra autistic.
I'm sorry did you just elude the fact that your "ideology" (using your retarded ways of lumping everyone together and looking only at the worst) is responsible for millions of deaths? You're not responsible for what your government is doing (so democracy is a bad system?) yet you complain about religion when the issue is clearly geopolitics? Your opinion on religion is crippling your critical thinking.
Nice non-sequitur, I don't care that you don't care about him I'm asking you if you find his statement to be justified.
Try to think before you hit the reply button.