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Hello /pol/. I am trying to redpill my father about gun ownership and why gun control is ineffective, but he keeps reverting back to

>muh feels
>muh think of the dead children.

What are some irrefutable arguments, facts and infographics in favour of less gun control?
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Shameless self bump
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>>59942454
If you're willing to not only break the law, but are also sadistic enough to take someone's life, why the fuck would you care if it's illegal to own a gun? People smuggle drugs, guns, etc everywhere and it's honestly not that hard for criminals to find a connection to get a gun no matter what country they're in.
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a small pastebin here of my own making to defend gun rights stuff

http://pastebin.com/5Y2pMesC

But against muh feels, there is no clear way to deal with that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rOb_z-yYrU

Its just immature and retarded children, never growing up. Peter pan syndrome being normal.
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>>59943478
There is a lot of pro gun information here, dont worry if you dont immediately get a response, but we are here.
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>>59943598
>mfw when I am better at being pro gun than a somewhat less than average merrilard in this thread.
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>>59943646
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>>59943478
Thanks dutchbro.
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>>59942454
I like to stick to the following:
1) Every time a tyrant commits a mass slaughter, it's preceded by disarming civilians.
2) Every country where gun control is said to work is an island (difficult to smuggle) or freezing cold in the winter (street crime is less viable). Neither of these apply to Spain, and even in those countries its success is questionable. For example, Britain is struggling with knife crime now.
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>>59942454
Gun possession rates vs. homicide and suicide rates in EU nations.
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>>59944261
Guns are very easy to make, from simple ones
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXjnb55aAwM
to slightly more complex ones
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bc8nP7CkUpA
Even fully automatic guns are not hart to make and require no specialist equipment.

Black powder is simple to make, so is armstrong's mix. Together with some paper and a piece of metal or many pieces you can make ammunition easily.

All of this can be done in your house or back garden.
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>>59944410
Even including all nations there is at best a negative correlation between gun possession and homicide rates.
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>>59944459
The same is true of suicide rates.
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>>59944487
Even with the strict gun laws in the UK, illegal guns are still abundant.
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this pic isn't really relevant anymore as there's conceal carry in chi-town but the point still stands
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>>59944773
It should be noted that the only new gun laws to come in during this period was the handgun ban in 1997 and partially the Offensive Weapons Act 1996.
The previous ban was the Firearms Act 1968 and before that the Firearms Act 1937 which for most purposes changed UK gun laws from American style (even more relaxed than American) to a licensing system.
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>>59942454
The biggest murderers (including of children) in history all used strict gun control.

Hitler, Stalin, and Mao namely but there are plenty of others.
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>>59945026
uh m8 that's a graph of america
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>>59945072
Lel, looks similar to the rates in the UK over that period.

Also more improvised ammunition.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBa90uECEkw
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>>59945147
Actually no they don't, just ignore that.
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>>59942454
There's no consistent correlation with crime and gun control, either up or down.
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>>59943478
>But against muh feels, there is no clear way to deal with that
THIS right here OP
you can lead him to it
but he is going to have to eat the redpill on his own
trying to force it down his throat is not going to work
good luck

>>59943478
>http://pastebin.com/5Y2pMesC
nice one d/b/ro, SEEN
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>>59942454

statistics show that, as the number of firearms in private hands increases, violent crime actually DECREASES.

a quick survey of cities in the U.S. with stringent anti-gun laws bears this out. they are invariably the most violent cities in the country.
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I'm also interested in this.

A common argument against guns is that people will turn batshit insane and start shooting each others (aka. going postal). How do you counter this argument, this fear that people will turn in homicidal maniancs by having access to guns?
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>>59946150
see

1. >>59944261
There is demonstrably no correlation between numbers of guns and homicide

2. >>59944410 >>59945147
Guns and ammunition are both easy to make. If someone determined enough to start shooting people they can easily spend a few hours to make a gun and ammunition.

3. >>59944545
Criminals can get the guns anyway.

It will be kind of hard arguing from Romania though, you guys have the second lowest gun rates in the EU, just behind Lithuania.
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How do you counter the "but what of the children" wailing? What do I tell the school shooting gun control types?
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>>59946150
If you want to go down the emotional route.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSNqUE3kvhw
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>>59942454
Just tell him that narcotics are illegal and that they have been irradicated
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>>59946439
Thats pretty clever, just hope that the children who watch this wont get triggered too much and revert into crying husks of depression. Since they cannot deal with the world even a little bit.
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>>59946419
That one is a little harder since it is very emotional.
The best you can do is show that.
1. It still happens in countries with gun control
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_massacre
2. All school shootings have been premeditated and so the shooter would still just make their own gun
3. Even in police states like China school shootings are just replaced by school stabbings
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>>59946703
I really don't understand kids these days, or anyone for that matter. I had to grind to get to my status in fisheries and nobody gave me a handout. I wish I lived in their world where being a puss and crying gets you status.
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>>59946419
Tell them that although total gun control would lower the number of mass killings, the average number of victims per shooting would be higher and the lunatics would just start making ieds. In addition, the number of deaths in school shootings is so small compared to the murders committed by gangsters with illegal or homemade guns that ending them would mean nothing. Mass murders look important when the media constantly covers them but, in reality, they mean very little.
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>>59942454
I live outside of Philly in a nice area but my father was always worried that rampaging hordes of blacks would leave the city if shit ever hit the fan. So he was always very pro gun.

Maybe you can tell your dad about all the refugees and africans that are pouring into Europe and how you'll need a way to defend yourself as the government ain't doing shit
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>>59946856
Yea, I am not even that old (27) and I cant really comprehend why these kids dont understand things.

These kids have nothing new, I grew up on the internet, with our crazy and new amounts of information, with nihilism and other stuff and I never wanted to be protected.

I found gore stuff to be funny from time to time, interesting. I dont get it why they have such huge problems with information that "feels bad".

Then again I come from a slav background, so my parents and family never coddled me and just let me be, make my own mistakes.

That is what I see as being wrong with the children right now, they have horrible parents that coddle them, that shield them from the world and everything "bad" inside of it.

Thats why they grow up into adults that lack the ability to deal with it. Instead of shaping themselves to the reality of the world, they want to shape the reality to their world.

That is why the liberals always censored the world around them, and that is why these people cannot exist in free speech, that is why they always try to remove it, because once free speech is used, they basically are seen as children who never had experience with it and they dont want to be seen as that. They want to be cool and accepted even though they grew up emotionally stunted.
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>>59947848
To add to that, now that I think about it, even people from my generation were like that, kinda.
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>>59943782
except you could take the came and shoot 50 innocent people with it. there's literally nothing to be gained from it either

kanker op
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>>59942454
I'm not a gun owner, but I don't think more gun control can work in USA. We have too many guns already, and our culture is very muh guns.

It seems like countries with more gun control have less gun violence, but it's a culture thing as well as the laws themselves. It just won't work in USA.
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We could reduce deaths in the country by thousands by lowering the speed limit nationally to 25mph.

If he really gave a shit about dead kids, he'd have to willingly accept driving 25 mph all the time for them.
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>>59948082
Kill yourself faggot.
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>>59942454
tell him to stop standing on the graves of dead children
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one of my more favorite graphs, now compare this amount to the amount of self defenses, legitimate, against criminals with guns. Totally worth it.
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>>59948117
are you insane? countries that have more gun control have less gun violence?

Nigger you are dumb as a rock, how about you just do a google search and then drown yourself in a toilet filled with diarrhea
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>>59948082
you could do the same with an ied

>>59948117
>countries with more gun control have less gun violence
You mean like Africa, the middle east and Mexico?
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>>59942454
your dad sounds like a pussy man
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because defending one's self and their loved ones from an assailant, whether they wear a uniform or not, should be a fundamental right.

Without guns, what prevents someone with a knife running you down and stabbing you to death?

Hell, what prevents someone who is simply bigger and stronger than you from beating you to death, or raping your wife, or dashing your kids heads against the nearest surface.

are you gonna get on the phone and call 911? because the only thing that will help you in that situation is immediate and proper application of violence, and either you are some kind of Martial arts master or you use a weapon. Preferably one that negates the brute force advantage.

Making everyone defenseless does not make them safer
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>>59948117
Also see this graph >>59944459
That is a list of all countries with Homicide data available.
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>>59942454
you can't talk him out of his feelings with facts.

The Department of Justice stats estimate that for every one violent crime in which a firearm is used there are six cases where the victim used a firearm to defend themeselves.

How do you explain to the six they shouldn't of had a firearm to defend themselves? The only explanation is there is no logic involved and it is all just based on feelings and the agenda of the day. So in the end it is not worth explaining anything to them as they are immune to facts.

If they truly wanted to save lives they would be against the objects involved in other deaths like prescription drugs, vehicles, bats, alcohol, shitty doctors, etc. The list can go on and on but demanding more control on them would inconvenience. Demanding no guns is not an inconvenience to them as they are afraid of them.
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>>59951279
The one failing of the right wing, we never were that good at using emotional arguments.
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>>59942454
Gun safety was teached at school in 'murrica in the 50's
there was almost no mass shooting throughout the 50's
Gun safety should be taught at school, and carrying should be doable in schools by students over a certain age/class.

While I'm at it, there should be an initiation to sportive target shooting in Physical Education (or gym class, you catch my drift) at school. Airshit can do the job in this case if needed
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