This smart young lady has found DEFINITIVE PROOF. I don't feel like anything more needs to be said on the matter; this says it all.
Thats actually completely bullshit, and gives no sources. More people are eating meat than ever, especially in China.. and Beef prices for example have been through the roof.
Whats more disgusting is that youre aware they are an idiot, and seem to think youre on Reddit and will get upboats for your hilarious screencap.
Fuck off cunt, this is a shitpost and we should report it as such.
I feel strange when I don't eat meat. Like my dinner just feels incomplete. I'm not going to stop eating it. Why would I? It's so versatile. I used leftover Turkey to make a salad taste great. The week before I made grilled cheese with bacon in between. I love moose meat for burgers and sausages, fish is usually fine with me...why go vegan?
You seem to have a lot of anger inside you. Is it all that animal corpse you shovel down your gullet daily?
You do realise that you're a minority now, as this woman has just proved. You don't need sources when you have cold, hard facts. There's no need to be abusive towards me, I'm just trying to make friends on here with my screencaps of awesome things people need to know.
Keep spreading your lies and I will call for backup to help report you and shut you down
Would those turkeys and meese enjoy being POUNDED and GRINDED into burgers? Protip: they wouldn't. It is literally done for your enjoyment. Your privilege as a man is making you believe not only that you need to eat meat, but that you WANT to. I implore you take a look at this cold, hard evidence once again and reflect on your oppressive speech. Even someone like you and Mr Abuser up top can make a difference
how is that?
If industry noticed a fall in the meat consumition it would breed less animals and produce less meat.
And if the industry wasnt awere of this fall, the same amount of animals would be sacrified anyway and the unsold meat would be stored frozen or trown away.
I saw so eone post this on kikebook earlier today so decided to do a bit of research.
Accirdi g to the usda, consumption of all meat products has done nothing but rise year on year and is still predicted to do so in 2016.
The reason for fewer slaughters is a slightly weaker year for the US agricultural market, so theres been fewer cows to slaughter and so more meat has had to be imported, stocks are ecpected to replenish soon tjough, bringong beef prices back down.
Meat is anti nigger food, because niggers now mostly only eat veggies, GMO corn that couldnt grow in the desert.
So because I hate niggers, I will make sure to keep eating meat so that I deprive the most amount of niglets with my actions of food, so that more of them starve. I hope I kill a lot of them.
Good night you filthy fucking vegan kuffar coward.
Burn in hell this festive season. Fuckinh islamophobe
I bet you tried to filter me because you can't refute these facts
The Quran teaches that God is extremely displeased with those who prohibit anything that was not specifically prohibited in the Quran (16:116). The upholding of any prohibitions not specifically mentioned in the Quran is tantamount to idolatry (6:148-150). Such prohibitions represent some other god(s) beside God. Worshipping God Alone means upholding His Laws alone.
The prohibited food and meat is detailed in 2:173, 5:3, 6:145 and 16:115. From these verses we have a clear account of what is halal (lawful) and what is haram (prohibited).
"He only prohibits for you the eating of animals that die of themselves (without human interference), blood, the meat of pigs, and animals dedicated to other than God. If one is forced (to eat these), without being malicious or deliberate, he incurs no sin. God is Forgiver, Most Merciful." 2:173
Veganism is actively haram. Since prohibiting what Allah has not forbidden is a haram.
Clear as crystal. Get fucked islamophobe.
Inshallah. I love Allah so much.
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halal slaughter forever
You can't be vegan without being an islamophobe
so 400 million were killed for other products then ?
Oh hey fellow Ahmed. Also, veganism should be considered haram because it is placing animals on a level equal to humans.
Meat is delicious, but Americans eat way too much of it. Greens and legumes are an important part of a balanced diet, and there's no need to eat meat at every meal. Especially not red meat, or burgers dripping with grease.
ally with us /pol/
Islam can and will protect your right to eat meat
Very true. Not to mention many vegans keep pigs as pets. Disgusting
Vegans won't win. If they dare try to shut down a halal butcher in my area.
They will be dead.
/pol/ will join us soon.
It could also be because growing chickens is more cost effective than raising cattle or pigs. You gotta remember that Coca-Cola and Pepsi made mutual agreement on transitioning to corn syrup because it saved them pennies by the ton. Switching to chicken is basically the same.
is that picture hinting about the pig-flu epidemic?
Would make since that the plague pigs were not slaughtered for food, but either died from the infection or were quarantine-burned.
I think so, /pol/ is very right-wing and holds many of the same ideologies as Islam, but there are several barriers - the main example is the large scale influx of muslims coming to European nations and the media's attempt to push us onto them because 4chan is a counter-culture.
That means four hundred million less animals were bred.
Which means four hundred million less animals got an opportunity at life.
Which means at least two hundred million less pigs had those famous thirty minute orgasms I've heard so much about.
Jesus Christ, what savages. How much pleasure will these vegans deny in the name of ideology?
>implying all the animals were pigs
Yeah yeah, I'm too lazy to delete my post and I want UK to know I beat them to the punch.
Turns out your convicts were the quick ones.
Sure it's few years old but the trend is obvious.
>tfw going to Argentina and Uruguay in some weeks
How do vegetarians account for the moral discrepancy inherent to the fact that millions of field animals are killed every year due to wheat and soy harvesting?
You know those big harvest combines you see driving through fields? Do you think the driver hits the brakes every time a gopher runs in front of him?
Protip - He doesn't
heres some spicy sausage for you cucks
Unless a person exclusively eats food he grows himself, animals died while producing their food.
The difference is vegetarians and vegans are the ones raising a moral objection to killing animals even though they're just as guilty. Hypocrites.
Those fucking aussies have been in the limelight for far too long.
It's time for a new king.
Yes it's quite hyporitical but on the other hand the animals dying in harvest are an unintended side-effect like with driving cars or eating spiders in your sleep. While pigs and shit are intentionally raised to die.
There is a genocide OP
That's been happening long before your amateur schools have taught you how the world works.
and your shitty little post on 4chan will not change a smigeon
how does that make you feel?
people who dont eat pork are either
B:Muslim Enablers and feminine big city cucks
That is just downright retarded mr muslin nigger.
Eat meat, it is fucking delicious, the reason you dont want to eat pork is meaningless to us.
I enjoy going to the library just to secretly place bacon strips inside the quran, I then place it back in the shelf as a trap for muslin niggers such as yourself.
>While pigs and shit are intentionally raised to die.
That's true but I think the difference is pigs are raised to die by and for people who raise no moral objection to an animal's death so I don't think intentions matter.
Vegans pontificate loudly about the virtues of their diet while being directly responsible for the deaths of millions of animals.
I bet that room smells fantastic. My mouth literally started watering after looking at that picture
I fucking hate meat. It's like a drug. Every time I eat meat I feel guilty because I imagine all those cute poor animals getting killed because of me but I just can't stop.
IT TASTES TOO GOOD. GOD HELP ME BECAUSE I HAVE SINNED.
>Ignores completely the number of animals killed for safe drinking water
Yup, sure is working. How's fairy land?
[Image (Lion eating OP) related]
Never mind that many carnivore like lion kills and eats other animals, even humans. Us humans, are omnivores. We could eat both plants and animals. Humans are not carnivores nor herbivores.
human poop is excellent fertilizer and used to be used to grow the highest quality of food in Paris where people would use their own waste to fertilize small backyard gardens for their own vegetable needs.
It is also a good idea to piss on your own garden for fertilization as urin is rich in nitrogen and phosphates.
Don't do this shit if you're on meds though because that kind of stuff sticks around.
>not being able to see different developments happening at the same time
just because there is population growth doesn't mean that the meat industry has a future
typewriter producers probably were happy too in the late 80s
You know I am not for going full veggie, but the meat industry is fucking up the planet. If you'd just stop prattling on about how eating 30lbs of animal protein a week makes your dick any less small, you could not only eat healthier but kick most of the fake scam wildlife organizations like WWF in the balls just by cutting that amount in half. They get paid off by lobbyists for McDonalds and shit not to say anything.
Soy production still mostly goes toward feeding animals that are raised for meat, which raises the estrogen content. It all ties in one way or another. Soy fags are just as retarded.
Because funding and getting people to buy a couple t-shirts and convincing them to cut the little plastic soda things is more important than kicking McDonalds in the balls.
how pathetic is it to not even admit that torture happens all the time and everywhere. btw i'm not a hippie at all. adolf wouldn't have accepted lowlifes with anti-Aryan attitudes like thinking animal cruelty is a good thing...
They need to be tarred and feathered for being too stupid to drive a point home, even an incorrect one. Your priorities shouldn't be centered around social justice for animals before you tackle the problem of how it actually negatively effects people, and the planet itself. No, I eat morningstar nuggets because I'm such a nice goy.
How to make fois gras. Force feed the ducks by jamming pipes down their throats.
If they are lucky, they will only suffer breathing problems as the liver enlarges and takes up too much space thus exerting pressure on the lungs and other internal organs.
If they are luckier, they choke to death, covered in filth and their own waste in cages no bigger than their bodies, ending the misery of the only life they ever knew.
Go ahead, enjoy it while you can. The same people feeling you antibiotic-resistant bovine flesh will switch out for MORE soy based additives when it becomes lucrative. Gotta do something with the Amazon soy desert. Might as well go bra shopping now meatcuck.
>WATER, SOY PROTEIN CONCENTRATE, CORN OIL, ENRICHED FLOUR (WHEAT FLOUR, NIACIN, REDUCED IRON, VITAMIN B1 [THIAMIN MONONITRATE], VITAMIN B2 [RIBOFLAVIN], FOLIC ACID), BLEACHED WHEAT FLOUR, SOY PROTEIN ISOLATE, CORNSTARCH, CONTAINS TWO PERCENT OR LESS OF WHEAT GLUTEN, WHEAT STARCH, METHYLCELLULOSE, YELLOW CORN FLOUR, MODIFIED CORN STARCH, DEXTROSE, SALT, SUGAR, NATURAL AND ARTIFICIAL FLAVORS, AUTOLYZED YEAST EXTRACT, YEAST EXTRACT, POTASSIUM CHLORIDE, SPICES, SOY PROTEIN ISOLATE, DISODIUM INOSINATE, SOYBEAN OIL, HYDROLYZED SOY PROTEIN, ONION POWDER, DRIED YEAST, CHICORY ROOT FIBER, CARAMEL COLOR, XANTHAN GUM, SODIUM ALGINATE, CELLULOSE GUM, PAPRIKA, PAPRIKA EXTRACT (COLOR), HYDROLYZED CORN PROTEIN, ANNATTO EXTRACT (COLOR), GARLIC POWDER, BAKING SODA, DISODIUM GUANYLATE, LACTIC ACID, CITRIC ACID, DISODIUM INOSINATE, DISODIUM GUANYLATE, VITAMIN B1 (THIAMIN HYDROCHLORIDE), SODIUM ACID PYROPHOSPHATE, SODIUM GLUCONATE, BARLEY EXTRACT, NIACINAMIDE, NONFAT MILK, EGG WHITES, IRON (FERROUS SULFATE), VITAMIN B1 (THIAMIN MONONITRATE), VITAMIN B6 (PYRIDOXINE HYDROCHLORIDE), VITAMIN B2 (RIBOFLAVIN), VITAMIN B12.
jesus christ that can't be healthy
>not if they live like animals used for meat
well they are animals, are they supposed to live like humans?
When an animal dies of course you should eat it otherwise a large part of it would be of waste after its death. Same reason I'm pro fur. Do you have any idea how many foxes get shot each year in Germany because of overpopulation? Might as well use their bodies for something useful rather than having had their death be in vain.
Right on, brother.
They will not have died in vain. Society will evolve, as it always has. The carnivores will go the way of the slave owners soon enough.
this is only for cheap ass foie gras, because people want fancy goods at a cheap price. A goose naturally eats like crazy before migrations, most of them make their liver explode. Completely natural. Ask yourself how you guys treat cows and pigs you flamboyant faggot
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Meat is healthy and keeps you strong. Yes, it has some downsides to it, but what doesn't? I'm alright with an honest vegetarian or a vegan, if he doesn't shove his ideology down my throat, but the recent vege-shilling looks like just another facet of the liberal ideology to keep people unhealthy and white men more effeminate. So, no thanks, I'll keep my meat.
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"Free range", I've learned, is very much a weasel word in the industry. The "free" animals are raise in captivity in the dark, and then allowed to leave the barn as adults, but the don't because they've never seen the outside world or the sun and so they can't handle the light, forcing them to stay indoors in blackened, crowded, filthy conditions. There are other ways that the industry abuse the label "free range" but you can check that out online.
Some farms - small local ones - produce meat that is cruelty free, genuinely, and if you support them, that's a step in the right direction. Very laudable. But 95% of the time, the "free range" label comes with a slew of unacceptable caveats to any thinking man. You'd do well to actually visit the farms, just to see with your own eyes how they operate. Any legit farm would welcome such visitors.
Anyway, if only for reasons of conserving the environment and doing your health a favor, it's still best to avoid meat products. But I hear what you're saying and the strategy of voting with one's dollars is an important one.
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No I am not riding the libshit gravy train. But cutting DOWN on meat can have extremely positive effects on your body and your world. Like 2-3 times a week, affordable, free range chicken and wild caught fish. Grass fed beef only on occasion. If we all did this, there would be no reason to maintain unsustainable populations of soy and corn fed cows, farting all over the place and crapping their cowshit into the sea.
That's not because no ones buying meat, its because meat prices have fucking sky rocketed. I use to be able to buy a Tbone without thinking twice, now i budget it once every few months cause i cant stomach the idea of one piece of meat for 25$ for one meal.
WHO GIVES A FUCK WHAT MOOSE WOULD ENJOY?
WORST FUCKING ANIMAL ON THE PLANET
LITERALLY SATAN THEY TASTE LIKE SHIT TOO
I say Canada needs to start hunting them using white phosphorous and landmines
Fuck your Geese too you fucking awful country.
Its true, the same way you can slap "organic" on a box of frozen whatever and not be held accountable for the loopholes you jumped through just to market your garbage to the well-intentioned, yet less informed.
>"Free range", I've learned, is very much a weasel word in the industry.
True. If you want to eat good meat, go out into the country side and make friends with a farmer you can trust and start buying from him only.
Sometimes you can take a shortcut by making friends with a top of the line butcher, but his stuff will be loads more expensive.
Also hunter supply top quality meat since it doesn't really get any more free range or organic than a deer living in the woods.
>A goose naturally eats like crazy before migrations, most of them make their liver explode.
So most of a given population in this species behaves in a way that is suicidal, and they evolved naturally towards that behavior? Really? The countryside is littered with dead geese with exploded livers?
And "non-cheap" fois gras is collected from the exploded corpses of these geese, found randomly across the continent? And this is the kind of fois gras that only some 0.00001% of the population eats? And you think that this is relevant in a discussion of ethics and public policy?
And I should ask myself how I treat other animals? What makes you think that I would be comfortable with the torture of one animal but not another? I am, like 99.9% of all other vegetarians/vegans opposed to torture for any animal, period. But you believed otherwise?
How the fuck do you function in the real world with a brain as autistic as yours? Do your nurses dress you and tie your shoes? Feed you applesauce and wipe your ass? Go back to /b, retard.
That arrangement is genius. Hopefully he has a smoke chamber offscreen.
Yeah, well in murriland we basically have whole foods gentrification bullshit, and a few hunters here and there that may or may not bother to learn how to do more than just shoot the animal. Everything else is pretty much fucked.
No one in the industry even disputes this, retard. The debate is no longer whether or not big business' legal departments use weasel words (how could you even think otherwise?), but how legislation can be refined to make it harder for them to do so. You're the kind of idiot in the 1970s who would have argued that big tobacco would never hire weaselly lawyers in its own interest. The naivete is absurd, almost childlike. Are you some kind of performance artist like Andy Kaufman? Or just genuinely autistic?
I rarely ezt pig, an animal that dwells in its own shit all day is bound to have tons of bacteria.
In a related matter, pigs have bacteria which wont die even at extreme temperatures.
>Doing hard manual labor.
>Need around 3000-4000kcal every day
Yeah, nice try eating so much non-meat to even come close to that number... And making that 20h long "meal" appetizing.
It´s a nice idea for people working a nice 9-17 job in some climate controlled office but if you would have to work for real...yeah nah.
Also reducing the human population from 8 billion down to maybe 1 billion (cause srsly guys, most humans on this planet are utterly useless) woiuld also reduce the required meat.
>Rather Genocide then Vegan
Maybe Geno-Vegan could work too.
I'm for good, tasty food.
There's no point in forcing people to eat vegetarian, it should happen voluntarily because it tastes better. Unfortunately 99.9% of cooks are incapable of accomplishing this. Even at excellent cantina I go to 4 days a week I will only end up eating vegetarian once per week at most because the other 3 days the meal consists of too much bullshit for me to enjoy. Anything mashed I already dismiss and they offer mashed potatoes or mashed parsnips, mashed carrots or even mashed peas way too often there.
On the other hand if they have a tasty mushroom risotto with some parmesan on the menu I'll be all over that shit no matter what the meat option is.
Worst crime is that most vegetarian cooks don't know how to season properly and barely ever add any salt when it is the vegetarian meals especially that need strong seasoning to bring out the flavour. Also you need very good organic produce, of higher quality than meat by far, for it to have any taste.
It's way easier to create tasty food with meat because meat is inherently more flavoursome than vegetables which is why most places offer so much more meat because they can get away with cheaper produce.
>eating meat is murder
>vegetarians eat all the plants animals need to live
>decline in meat sales
Meat prices have soared in the last few years, so much so that i'm forced to buy bags of frozen quorn chicken pieces for our family stir fries, curry or mexican nights.
I'm not happy cause i'm getting less protein per pound and i'm certainly not doing this for morale reasons.
Yes, eventually yes. But it will take some time. Producers don't get rid of their capacities overnight. A demand shock almost always means lower prices in the short and often in the medium term. Take today's coal prices as an excellent example.
If you ever had a dog or a cat you would probably understand. They're sentient beings, have feelings, are intelligent and haven't done anything to deserve treatment like this.
Edginess aside /pol/, you can't support that shit.
You're just wrong, there is literally no reason why it shouldn't be simple for any vegetarian to hit 4000k a day. Carbs are the food group with the most calories and they are vegetarian.
Either way the producers hurt and production will be forced to decrease. Anyway I think the endgame is that everyone will eventually become vegetarian. As certain parts of the world develop and education improves, I think this goal is easily attainable. I am not under the delusion that 100% of the world will willingly become vegetarian, there will always be people who don't give a fuck about others, but if we had even 90% I believe it could become law.
Calorie intake is not a problem for vegetarians. Plenty of long-distance athletes who eat 5,000 calories per day during competition and 3,000 - 4,000 in off-season. Lots of non-meat products are ridiculously calorie dense.
I'd love to see if I can finish that in one go
I know this is a bait, but I'm in the mood, so I'll bite. A demand shock rarely means a complete halt in production. A decrease in demand doesn't mean demand will cease to exist, that is a foolish notion.
Also, grass munching is still a very fringe lifestyle that is almost exclusive only to the western world. There is a growing middle class in the third world and they will sure as hell want to eat meat. The demand will go up. In fact, I kinda doubt OP is right, but I am playing along.
pic related, my captcha for this post
By what standard?
Over centuries fat was the most valuable food ingredient precisely for that very reason that it is the most calorie dense and people had to do a lot more hard labour back in the day. Olive oil was fetching high prices unless you happened to live in a region where it is actually possible to cultivate olive trees.
Nowadays we plaster the tropics with palm trees farming for palm oil destroying irreplaceable eco systems in the process.
We need to rethink the way we farm on a more fundamental level than debating about meat vs. no meat.
>almost exclusive only to the western world
I already addressed this.
>As certain parts of the world develop and education improves
In the hypothetical scenario I described, 90% of the world were vegetarian, thinking this wouldn't lower production is delusional. We're already seeing the effects of 375 million vegetarians worldwide. The stats OP posted are legit. Whether it's becoming vegetarian, eating healthier or no meat Monday, people are eating less meat and production is noticeably decreasing to compensate for this lowering in demand
There's cultures living on an 80% meat diet in the northern regions of the planet. There is no way in hell people will allow you to force them to give up on that, oppressing their culture.
But even then, just look at Europe. French cuisine that was formed through centuries of aristocracy and absolute monarchy has meats as part of many of their dishes. Giving up on cooking these is on the same level as not performing Beethoven any more.
It's possible to get those foods, but these farmers represent a small proportion of the industry, and their foods cost a lot if you have to import, which means that the percentage of people who would benefit from buying these foods, as you recommend, is minimal. This commits the same error that you made in your other post. Specifically, because your solution is an option available to so few people, it is almost totally meaningless in a discussion of ethics and public policy.
Moreover, even if you do pursue this idea that everyone should spend a lot of money to import these ethical meats, you are still ethically irresponsible. This is because shipping products around the world involves extremely high externalized costs. My chief concern is the fossil fuels burned which contribute to global warming. I won't bother getting into all the other ethical shortcomings and environmental impacts of the oil industry and globalization. I'm sure you're familiar with them.
So we have to buy local. We have to buy ethical. If that means that we can't eat meat, so be it. If you don't like it, you can start your own farm. But don't believe for a second that your "solution" is in any way ethically sensible, economically viable, environmentally responsible or meaningful in a public policy context. It isn't.
That's the exact argument that was used to justify slavery a long time ago.
And as I previously mentioned, as these cultures develop and are educated the majority of that country will want to become vegetarian. I'm not suggesting that we march on places and force them to, but if the majority of a country is vegetarian, meat will be banned in that country
Yes, I know you did, but you're wrong. You can't shill so many third world people into such rapid change of their diet. Western people are the easiest to manipulate for some reason. It's a shame, because I like you, but you have a lethal design error.
>That's the exact argument that was used to justify slavery a long time ago.
No, not by a long shot unless you show me a generally held opinion that said "Slavery is an art form that should be lauded, appreciated and enjoyed".
>It's a shame, because I like you, but you have a lethal design error.
I mentioned that you would have to wait for these cultures to develop and for their education to improve.
>As certain parts of the world develop and education improves
Those third world countries aren't going to be third-world forever, eventually they will become developed and many of them will have access to the same resources we have, eg. internet and enough food to eat. There would be no reason why they wouldn't decide to become vegetarian too
I'm enjoying my (still inexpensive) meat 6 days/week
if more people stop eating it, then I'll enjoy my even cheaper meats
pic related is a family happening in these parts, we make sausages, salami, blood sausages, lard, cured ham, etc.
Eating meat made us intelligent as a species. There is evolutionary proof.
If vegetarians are willing to dumb us down as a species, they can count me out permanently.
>So you know nothing about cooking meat. That's okay, feel free to take a cooking class at some point of your life
>overcooked steak with crust
I've been in a lot of restaurants over the world but never have I been served a steak with a crust.
But anon, vegetarians have an average IQ of 10 points higher than meat-eaters. These results were taken from the national child development study of the UK btw.
>.01% of the population lives like this.
>all those darn muricans!
all of the fatties are in the south and the east, and among southerners, only 1 out of 5 are considered overweight, but not obese. btw, you need to remember what overweight is, and how its arbitrated. if the average is 120lbs, and one of the sample members are 121lbs, they're considered to be overweight even though neither you nor I would consider them overweight.
I looked (skimmed) this study: http://stateofobesity.org/rates/ ; It's a study which examines rural and suburban populations all over the United states from mostly 2011-2012. feel free to criticize it. I only skimmed it.
I suppose we agree to disagree.
From what I've experienced with third-world people, even those who live first-world lives (rich people with western upringing and education), they still retain something I'd call redpilled-ness for the lack of a better term. It's as if they have a certain resistance to bullshit ingrained very deep in their culture, maybe even in their genes, although that is something I cannot explain.
In the end we will see who was right.
>400 million fewer animals were killed for food
yea but 400 million more animals were euthanized for being a liability
Wouldn't people who call themselves vegetarians or vegans usually be white and come from a middle to upper class upbringings and are probably more likely to be college educated whereas "meat eaters" (normal people) would have more diverse backgrounds and you would see a lot more uneducated working class people. This graph doesn't prove vegetarians are smarter it just means vegetarians are privileged white kids whose biggest struggle in life is overcoming eating meat. Working class people can't afford to be that picky.
OP is forgetting necessary food supplements for herbivores to provide their frail bodies with all aminoacids humans need, vitamins, creatine and so on
There's a reason humans are born with an omnivorous stomach, not four of them
Reverse image search faggot
>175 individuals faring better in some imaginary intelligence test than 6531 normal people
The sample size was 17,000. This test was conducted in the 1950's, it is only now after giving the respondents a survey that they realized the significant correlation between intelligence and vegetarianism.
Nice theory though
Hey I can make reddit-tier strawmen too!
>Killing the entire population of Africa is fine but unborn children? You monster
See how I accused you of killing the entire population of Africa when what you said is completely unrelated to killing the entire population of Africa? It was just like you. I honestly don't see where you got the link between vegetarianism and being pro-choice. I'm pro-life here, it's not "her body her choice", it's "the baby's body, her choice"
You're making the assumption they're smarter because of their vegetarian diet when it could just as easily be they just chose vegetarianism because they're smarter to begin with.
India is home to largest population of vegetarians in the world and the country is a fucking shit hole (literally).
>never have I been served a steak with a crust.
a.) every good steak has a crust, it's what happens when the outer layer caramelizes, it's what keeps the juices inside the steak
b.) I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you simply were trying to use shorthand terminology to refer to the black parts on the steak in which case I will wager you that it's simply been chargrilled over an open flame. It's what happens in that case.
>I'm too poor to be vegetarian!
That's a terrible excuse, meat is way more expensive that most vegetables/pasta.
>oesn't prove vegetarians are smarter it just means vegetarians are privileged white kids whose biggest struggle in life is overcoming eating meat
Of course it proves vegetarians are smarter, that's what the study showed. What you're saying doesn't contradict that, you're just saying that vegetarians are more likely smart because they're more likely to be rich enough to afford to be vegetarian, I'll admit that it's true that vegetarians are almost always in the upper class, vegetarian foods are cheaper and saying you're too poor to become a vegetarian is not an excuse
there shouldn't be any hard crust to speak of, just a little searing to lock the juices in, followed by a flip for a few seconds and voila like pic related, to me it is only surpassed by select carpaccio aged for a month in vacuum
Very unlikely. Health issues connected to meat consumption usually kill you in post-reproductive age. Meanwhile experimenting with various types of plant-based diet have the potential to hurt you much earlier.
How to Cook Steak on the Grill With a Crisp Black Crust : Grilling Meat
And this is just 4 results on the first page of googling
Yes you want crust on a steak. Not knowing this shows that you know shit about steak.
Somebody really doesn't understand natural selection. I wasn't suggesting that we'd go around killing them, natural selection means they have a less of a chance to reproduce and will die out, this could be because of lower IQ, poorer or less compassionate
400 million fewer animals raised specifically for food weren't killed for food?
and yet millions of humans are hungry and malnourished. digraceful.
don't let vegans take over, they'll poop everywhere and kill people who eat meat
must be the local preference then, for all I care google can keep their crusted results
whenever I get a steak with a crust, I refuse it because:
1. I always order rare
2. I feel like the meat is not good enough and they are trying to hide this
3. I want my steak so supple I'm able to tear it apart with my toungue
also I always discuss it with the waiter beforehand so it's rare that I have to refuse it
>mfw putting on an all meat bbq in my garden next to my vegetarian neighbors house
I only do it when the wind is blowing towards him
They're mean sons of bitches who tear up everything and eat fucking everything, they'll eat all the edible vegetation down to the roots and any animal that they find dead or will hold still long enough for them to kill, including eachother
They aren't even domesticated, just contained. Get a hole in the fence and they'll immediately go back to their natural state of fucking up absolutely everything.
Plus they're smart. Hard to hunt. At least you don't have to worry about licenses or what not because they're considered invasive. Or cleaning them, that would be a pain in the ass.
Go ahead, call them and ask if their steak has a crust when served. Record the call just so every one of us can laugh at you when they confirm what I've been telling you all along. You know shit about cooking steak.
Just because a steak is dark on the outside doesn't mean it's overcooked. Or dry.
Longhi's is nice though, but far from the best place I've eaten.
so much idiocy on this board in regards to food
>1. I always order rare
Rare or not has nothing to do with whether the steak has a crust or not.
>2. I feel like the meat is not good enough and they are trying to hide this
What? This doesn't even make sense
>3. I want my steak so supple I'm able to tear it apart with my toungue
Maybe you should just eat Carpaccio then.
I should screencap this for /ck/, this is too funny to just keep it on /pol/
Is that why he closes his windows and gives me angry looks when i do this?
get that shit outta here meanwhile ill crash the pepe market