Can eurocucks explain what it's really like to have """"""""""""""""""""""""free"""""""

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>>59827683
I'll put you a very recent example of an 'aunt' of mine, two days ago, literally:
>goes to local hospital ER due to persistent neck/mouth pain
>they do preliminary tests
>they see some rare shit in an x-ray of her jaw
>they tell her to stay for the night and do some more tests
>she has a tumor behind her jaw
>let her go the next day
>has to come back monday to see oncologist and talk/begin treatment
Now all she has to care is about the treatment. She is retired, in her seventies, and used to be a teacher.

They pretty much die while waiting in line

>>59828210
This

Before anyone points to Canada I'll remind everyone we do not have free healthcare either.

>fall off ladder
>snap leg in half
>amberlamps ride
>xrays
>nice plaster cast, had a red one as I could pick the colour
>months of physio after

All for about 5 pounds per week from my wages

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>>59828210
I thought lines were a myth made up by bill o'reiley?

>>59828773
Do you make 10 pounds per week or something?

>>59827683
>live in europe, free healthcare
>wait 6 months for a checkup
>doctor discovers cancer
>wait at least 6 more months for treatment
>ded
>former house and belongings given to refugees

>live in america
>wake up at 540am monday through friday
>pay your taxes
>nigger sets himself on fire as a stunt at 3AM on a tuesday
>pay for his er visit

Medicaid already is fucking gay

>>59828942
£145 x 5 = £725, which I think is around 1400 Yankee dollerydoos

>Be American with "good" insurance
>Go to hospital
>Boy I sure hope my insurance covers this
>Start coverage slot machine.
>Doctor wants to give me Tylenol
>"Uh oh"
>$70
>Sit in a chair
>Pls cover this
>Spin coverage slot machine.
>Fuck yeah! 777! That means that sitting in a chair at a hospital is covered at 70% by my insurance company.
>Starts spewing blood
>Doctors give me some fluid through an IV. I don't have time to ask if it will be covered. Suddenly I'm out cold.
>Receive a bill in the mail 8 months later for $6000

>>59829897
>>>/yurop/

>>59828210
Bullshit

>>59830856
can you explain your experiences, pajeet?

>>59831007
I've had a few Pablo, would you like to write them in Spanish for you?

None of them involved excessive waiting. I think the worst of the worst stories get used by your anti-Healthcare lobby to try and prove that this sort of healthcare is flawed.

Had a hernia operation, years ago, after Doctor was informed, I was in the hospital with 3 weeks, Operation 2 days in Hospital (it's quicker now they have a new technique) and home. a few weeks later Nurse pays a visit removes stitches. maybe I should greentext the whole story sometime.

Cost=£0

>>59827683

i go to an oncologist and get treatment what else would happen

national insurance which is 5% of my salary gets split between police, fire services and the NHS, so probably about 2% goes to the NHS

>>59831758
strain your pud?

>>59831833
Most of it go's towards pensions and oap buspasses and things for old people

>>59831758
how was the quality of the hospital and the service within

>>59827683
Not euro, Australian.

You won't die waiting, you're triaged in accordance with the severity of your illness.

This means that for something minor, you could be waiting a few months.

Cancer you're treated for instantly.

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Cut my penis off, doctor offers me sex change; covered under obama's new trans-acceptance initiative, I accept, cost me 7,000,000.95 USD. Insurance covered 6.00 USD.

>>59827683
You get diagnosed, treatment is devised, treatment begins.

No job, no tax dollarydoos.

Remember that free healthcare means free at the point of use with no expectation of having insurance.

>>59829871
Why the fuck are bongbucks still worth twice as much as freedomtokens? You guys don't even make anything, how the fuck is your currency so expensive?

>>59831846
Not exactly, it seems like it was just one of those things . . .the tubes never closed properly after testicle descended, . . .grew up in my teens thinking I had 3 balls, it was only in my early 20's that it was a bit uncomfortable and one of my 'balls' was the size of an Avocado . .. I went to Docs, shitting myself that it was Cancer.

>>59831919
Fine. It was NHS which is never as good as a Private Hospital (eg. my bed was on a ward as opposed to a Private room) . . .funnily enough most Surgeons that do NHS operations also do private ones.

>>59827683
>get asscancer
>get immediate treatment
>overall tax is 30%

>>59832026
The queen rules the world

I went to a hospital that was non-profit (whatever the fuck that means) for an asthma attack. It has been years since I've ever had to use an inhaler so it caught me off guard. I was there for maybe an hour and half until I was treated and released. I received albuterol as well as a prescription for it. I was charged exactly $666 for my visit. I don't care what it's like, this is retarded.

>>59831904

old dave and his mate gideon are cutting the fuck out of all that soon though feels pretty bad to be honest mate, i want my bus pass when i get old

>>59832128

Here the real difference between public and private is also merely whether the room is shared or not. No quality of service meme. The private hospitals here appeal to people who like their hospital stay to be like they're at home or at a hotel... Which I don't particularly care for anyway.

The waiting times always have been reasonable, I believe the NHS is like this too. The waiting time meme is for minor ailments which are not serious and at best only slightly affect quality of life.

In comparison to me paying 1.5% tax levy, you burgers have to pay a shitlaod for insurance that doesn't cover a lot, also requires you to pay a premium, and leaves you out in the cold if something happens if you can't afford it.

Universal healthcare is the one thing I can't agree with Thomas Sowell and Milton Friedman on. It needs to be a thing in all first world countries.

>doing dishes
>retard left knife blade up in the dish strainer
>slice arm open putting something in it
>get ride from friend to hospital
>12 stitches in arm
>$1300 bill for 12 stitches some gauze and an ace bandage
>mfw

>>59827683
>Let's say you find out you have ass cancer. What happens?
My mother went recently to her yearly breast control. They found two foreign body on her left breast. The day later she was operated in that same hospital, thankfully it was just a benign tumor. Total cost: 0
she is a lawyer.

>>59832504
I did something similar and sliced my arm open. Went to hospital, sterilised and told to come back next day. Put under general, wound cleaned out and stitched up.

$0

>>59828210
where I live those who can afford it pay private insurance. You then use private insurance for the petty shit, like a strange skin rash or back pain when exercising, because you'll get your visit and tests done in a week. Public healthcare is a gamble on these low priority cases: can take a week or it can take a few months, since more urgent cases will get bumped in front of you for tests and such.

But when there's something serious, like cancer or a heart transplant, everybody goes to public healthcare since they tend to be the real seasoned pros. Same goes for ER emergencies. Their equipment is less shiny than the private hospitals but they are the ones doing most of the healthcare heavy lifting in this country (transplants, major surgeries, etc). Even face transplants are done by public healthcare, I wonder how much would that cost in a private american hospital.

America basically subsidizes the worlds medical R&D.

you're welcome

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>>59832128
>grew up in my teens thinking I had 3 balls, it was only in my early 20's that it was a bit uncomfortable and one of my 'balls' was the size of an Avocado

Are you a car? Why do you need 'insurance'? That's what taxes should be for, if at all. Murkans pay more per capita, die sooner, and have higher infant mortality

>>59827683
It's not free here, you are just forced to be insured if you are a wagecuck. If you are NEET the taxpayer pays for your insurance.

>>59831758
Yes please write them in spanish.

>>59832859
kek

>>59831948
>The waiting rooms are prepped for chemotherapy

>>59832749
This. This right here is the reason you Europeans get discounted healthcare.

>>59828210
Americans have such a sour grapes attitude when it comes to other countries receiving free or reasonable cost healthcare.

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>>59832735
>face transplants
SEAAAAAAAAAN!!!!

>>59832275
I'm quite happy they are cutting it, just to spite my nan who at 85 lords it over every one, and never stops going on about her bloddy bus pass.

On pensions I'm not that fussed, I'm 30 with 3 private pension funds , a well paying job, and I still live in a council house while I save for my own place

>>59832749
completely false

>>59832943
Keep believing that Burger.

>>59827683
18% of all tax collected goes to the NHS and we get charged whether we're ill or not.

It's nothing special.

>>59828210
Kinda awkward how most other countries investment in health care are lower than the US but most of them are more efficient and actually work rather than just bankrupting the patient.

>>59832948
>""""""""free"""""""""

>>59827683
you go to the hospital and fix you for for free. what the fuck do you expect burger cunt

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1371861/NHS-director-dies-operation-cancelled-times-hospital.html

>>59827683
Oi burgerblob it's fairly simple:
>pay 100 euro a month (mandatory)
>if you happen to fall ill you go to a doctor
>you have to pay the frst 400 cunto of treatment out of your own pocket
>catch cancer, get diagnosed, wait 2 months, get whatever treatment is cheapest
>go on 4chan and mock american healthcare

http://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/press-releases/2010/jun/us-ranks-last-among-seven-countries

Stay cucked, amerifats.

>>59833151
Don't fuck guys and you can't even catch cancer.

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>mother has bad hips
>need one of them replaced
>applies for surgery through the NHS
>since the operation isn't a priority, she's pushed to the back of the list
>they say the waiting time is over 1 year for the operation
>she's in immense pain every day from severe joint aches
>signs up for private health insurance
>pays the premium
>hospital within the week

Yes, this is EXACTLY how it happens unless you have a life threatening injury. If your injury is something that isn't a 'priority' then you're basically seen as a leech and thrown to the back of the line while Laquisha is getting a hospital bed because she wants the 10th ultrasound on her 5th baby.

Don't believe the cucks here, the system is not better. I'm reminded of that 'capitalism vs socialism' picture that said something along the lines of 'in capitalism the bread waits for you'

>>59833097
See>>59831758 Second line.
There is always more to the story, for example who cancelled the appointments?..the article doesn't say.

>>59831758
>anti-Healthcare lobby to try and prove that this sort of healthcare is flawed.

I guess my friend's mother who died on the waiting list was a lobby shill

>>59833238
thanks for the advice

>>59827683
>get ass cancer
>go to doctor
>he wants to know more
>wait a month
>go to other doctor
>he says it "may" be cancer
>wait a month
>go to other doctor
>he does tests
>wait a month
>test says I 100% do have ass cancer
>wait a month
>go to 1st doctor to find out what to do
>tells me to go other doctor to get ready for chemo
>wait a month
>doctor sets me up for chemo
>wait a month
>go to chemo

It's really bad here. I think the government just wants to give everyone jobs instead of be efficient.

In their defense, this would happen a lot faster if you were in actual trouble, but I've never know someone to need immediate care to the point that he/she asked for faster service.

>>59832026
Second largest money market in the world. It's the primary reason they won't convert to the Euro; minus the fact that it's already a fucked currency.

>>59832943
So you're a bunch of cucks with a sour grape attitude?

>>59832026
Their expensive currency isn't a good thing, it just means they can't export. The world pins their currency to the US dollar, not the Queen's monopoly money

>>59833446
My god, you have literally no idea what you're talking about?

Expensive currency means we can't export? LOL what the fuck are you on about you stupid fucking retard

>>59827683
Takes forever to get a specialist, and they have a system for turning you down without telling unless you have a referral. I'm taxed about 50 percent of my income total, but it's not all healthcare.

It's kinda shit
Family doctors are good, though. Too bad I need specialist with my condition

>>59833279
My crippled grandfather who's been waiting for an ankle operation for 3 years now must be a shill as well.

>>59833446
Lol, you have no idea what you're talking about.

>>59833241
Makes sense. Cancer treatment or most surgeries are luxuries imo. Should not be covered by a single payer health care system. What I don't get is how Americans end up paying a shit ton for simple medication. Or end up paying for health treatment in taxes and have to pay more when visiting the doctor.

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>Go to get new glasses
>Appointment is 4 weeks out

>Go to dentist
>Appointment is 3 weeks out

>Need an operation
>They book me next month

>Show up at my appointments
>Wait several hours past the appointment time anyway

>Visit the ER
>Pray you don't bleed out before your 5 hour wait time is up

And I'm an American. I can't imagine what lines are like in Europe.

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>>59833446
>higher valued currency isn't a good thing

>>59833595
How do they all afford healthcare?

America, why don't you just strip down your bloated government and spend the saved funds on free healthcare?

Cut all welfare except for those who need it, stop the war on drugs, cut all foreign aid, decrease pensions and give heavy penalties to government officials inflating their budgets.... I'm talking death penalty.

It'll work m8s.... It's nice knowing I will get healthcare if I ever need it.

Just don't make the mistakes we made and only give free healthcare to those who deserve it... (No obese, alcoholics)

OH and Don't offer cosmetic procedures like transition surgery and boob jobs

>>59833655
They all sell meth like Walter White because capitalism is evil

>>59833655
If you are poor enough, you get government healthcare.

Also, most poor people who don't qualify for medicaid just don't go to the doctor at all until it gets so bad they have to go to the ER, and then the doctors have to treat them and they just never pay.

>>59833642
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicaid

>>59833484
The higher the cost of your currency, the more expensive your goods are in relation to other countries. If I can get some punjab to do a job for 100 of his rupees or whatever, that's only a small amount of US dollars. But if I get achmed from bongland to do the same job, I'd have to pay him 100 queenbux. Which would be more US dollars. So I avoid goods from bongland.

Should I take this to mean that your education is as shit as your healthcare?

>>59833728
Right, what does that have to do with the British pound?

>>59833595
>And I'm an American. I can't imagine what lines are like in Europe.
Far better than that.
I can get an appointment at Optician in a couple days.
Same with Dentist (max 1 week)
Yes you often have to wait for upto 30 mins or so past appointment time at Dentist/Doctors.

ER is variable depending on urgency.

>>59833740
awkward moment when your healthcare is worse than britbongs.

>>59833802
oops
>>59833728
was meant for
>>59833655

>>59833740
And using your logic, with our strong queencash we could buy even more from prejeet then you and then sell them to you for even more cuckcoins, if we so wished, do you even free market

>powerful common cold type virus invades my body
>get hospitalized the next day
>have to bribe every day for assistant to change the medical fluid pack which flows into my arm trough a tube, basically to do her job
>bribe the janitors to clear the area around my bed, they are careful not to clean more areas to the next patient's bed until they bribe too
>bribe the doctor so he won't "accidentally" mess up my throat surgery
>bribe him more so i'll get sleeping gas during the surgery

>b

>>59833582
>cancer treatment should be a luxury

Wew lad

>>59827683
how do i explain something so simple to an americunt?

clearly you are so brainwashed you dont get it

>>59833958
No no, when someone refuses to do their job unless you give them extra money on top of their wage, it's called a tip, and you are a huge piece of shit if you don't tip.

>>59833279
>>59833541

Maybe Canada just has shit Healthcare?

xD socialised medicine is EBIL SOCIALISM! IT WILL LEAD TO DOCTORS IN SHACKLES! NO SHACKLES, MORE SHEKELS IT'S SLAVERY!
t. Rand Paul - professional retard

>>59834015
Well, Turkey equals cancer. You can't give cancer to cancer. Yet...

>>59828773
>>fall off ladder
>>snap leg in half

jesus christ how horrifying

>>59834125
We do, yet it's always used as some fucking gold standard by leftards.

>>59834047
>bribe the "security guard" to let it my visitors during visit time

>>59833595
>accompany grandmother to hospital
>it is a state hospital
>broke people from all over the city and nearby villages are there
>place is packed
>wait 2 hours then my grand mother gets her turn

it was an eye hospital, most people get a quick checkup to see if they need surgery or not. They visit the doctor for it every 6 months. Working conditions for doctors here isn't good but hey progress. I hardly visit the doctor. The most recent ones were for ear checkups and pulling out by wisdom teeth. Booked them the day before and a week before respectively. Sometimes you just show up and book with the secretary that day and wait your turn. That is just for the most minor of things though.

>>59834141
Terrible post. Go back to reddit you meme spouting retard.

>>59833702
This. For the live of God we need this!

>>59834047
Tipping is degenerate. You're paying someone to have the privilege of being paid by you.

Glad we don't have it here

>>59834256
""""freee"""""" healthcare. lol i btfo'd him XDDD. fee market will fix it. Dr Shekelberg assured me!

>>59834366
advanced level shitposting, nice.

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>>59833702
>implying transition surgery is not a life threatening illness worthy of NHS funding

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>break hand
>go to housedoctor
>he says it broken
>housedoctor makes appoinment at hospital
>get my arm fixed
>doctor prescribes me some medicine for the pain
>go to pharmacy
>pharmacy says these pills are not insured
>FUG
>pay 2 euros

>>59834367
Oh wow name our position with a sarcastic tone that must mean we're wrong

gas yourself commie

>>59827683
I watched this earlier today. Does it really suck to be Canadian with cancer?
https://youtu.be/B-OVeI5TseY

>>59834593
>gas yourself commie
Nice meme. There is literally nothing wrong with subsidised healthcare - within reason. Calling everything you don't like communism like the annoying libertardian you are doesn't refute anything.

I'd probably skip hospital altogether if I had ass cancer. End it all when the shitting gets too bad to handle.

>>59828210
That's pretty much it

>>59833595
for glasses and dental care, it isn't that bad, only a few days. I don't know about the other stuff.

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>>59829112
>mfw americans actually think this is true

>>59833740

>only just 2016
>already, a burger is being a retard on the worldwide web

You're a fucking idiot, the UK now specializes in high quality products, the type of shit a pleb like you can't buy. Rolls Royce cars are made here in Surrey for example. Many other fine products are made here, then you come along and tell us that its better to have a currency akin to India's so we can all shit in the street while answering calls about American citizen's computer problems? Are you 14?

>>59834015
>>59834154
not sure if sarcastic but my 3rd world upbringing makes me accept low health standards. My family is healthy tho. No heart conditions, no cancer in any of my near relatives. Grand parents average age is about 83 and are/were all healthy until old age so never needed any serious treatment. I had asthma when I was a kid so I don't know how the expenses played out, but it stopped without any treatment. health care is overrated when you simply have good genes.

>>59834676
Ironic considering you've done nothing to refute anything we've said besides shitposting and calling us names.

Self-awareness is a gift, my friend.

its 'free' because cost of living is literally twice what it is here when you factor in all the taxes

its all fun and games until you add a few million freeloading Syrians to the system and then things go to shit

britbong living in the US with good insurance, you couldn't pay me enough to go back there

>>59833241
hip/knee replacement surgeries for adults (I'm guessing your mother is not in her 40s) are always pushed back and even frowned upon by some surgeons on very old patients. For some of them it makes no sense to replace the knees of an old man that will surely die in the next few years, so they'd rather manage the pain than replace.

When your mother has to wait a year for a hip replacement it's because the surgeons are working on saving lives rather than making ultrasounds. It's a very low priority condition.

>>59833582
Because they don't have strong public system to counter the prices of private one

>>59833958
>romanians are not gypsies, I swear

>>59834846
What were your arguments then?

>>59833740
All that means is that we export high quality shit. Nobody is going to produce really cheap goods here anyway because that's China's job.

>>59834846
>Ironic considering you've done nothing to refute anything we've said

you americans are talking bullshit about europeans dieing in line waiting for healthcare

how should we refute without laughing?

>be american
>get hit by car
>insurance receives my $250,000 bill and pays for it

feels good not having a shit job and then whining about how my life is soooooo awful and how i need gibsmedat

>>59834676
there's ton of refuting material online idiot. if you wanted to know why free health care is wrong and not efficient you'd do the research youself

you're not interested in that. youre just yet another idiot who defend whatever his country has and believes in

>>59834976
check the flag m8

>>59834794

Friendo, there's a reason China keeps trying to devalue its own currency. At this point, the UK has basically given up on exporting whatsoever. Citing one off luxury goods doesn't change the fact that it's literally cheaper to get a job done anywhere else in the world.

>>59834779
It is. At least here.
>Feel ill
>Get appointment with primary care physician
>"Everything seems fine but here are some painkillers/antibiotics just in case :^)"
>Don't get better
>Get new appointment
>"Oh we don't actually treat things here, I'll set up an appointment at the hospital for you :^)"
>6 months later
>"There's not a whole lot we can do for you at this point, why don't you come back if it gets worse :^)"

>>59834655
I think it probably sucks to be any nationality with cancer

>>59835022
>omg its not my job to educate you
Hi there tumblr! I realise government interventions are inefficient a lot of the time but I'd rather be subject to some inefficiency than a cut throat free market system that buttfucks you anyway

>>59834990
OP wasn't talking car insurance.

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>have private healthcare
>hurt myself at work
>get herniated disc
>hurts like hell
>go to doctor same day
>says it may have have ruptured and pinched a spinal nerve
>sets my up for surgery the next morning
>2 week recovery
>costs nothing extra since I pay for insurance
>turn on cnn
>some tranny newscaster tells me the US and medical system is fucked and the sky is falling

>>59835114

What does getting my leg snapped in half from a car chucking me in the air and having to spend 50 days in a hospital have to do with car insurance?

>>59835075
so what was the diagnosis?

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>>59835032
>he thinks "america" means united states and not the entire continent

>>59833484
I think what he was trying to say is, cheap money is advantageous to the country selling goods. Expensive pound means higher production costs, less competitive.

>>59834875
I'll you what, rightly so. "Just put a new knee in", that's what people think. It will all be magically alright with some metal mechanism that's hammered into your bones. Deny old age, deny the seriousness of chopping off a knee, complications, et cetera.
If you want a new knee and you're old, pay for it yourself.

>>59835142

>back surgery
>ever recovering

want to know how I know this story is bullshit?

>>59835217
Acute Hypochondria

>>59835106
>Hi there tumblr!
you seem to know what's on tumblr. not impressed.

>I realise government interventions are inefficient a lot of the time but I'd rather be subject to some inefficiency than a cut throat free market system that buttfucks you anyway

a totally random, out of nowhere statement

>>59835295
>if you wanted to know why free health care is wrong and not efficient you'd do the research youself
Not random m8

>>59834794
>our economy is supported by veblen goods
kek that makes no sense. if that worked well you wouldn't have an economy based on services

>>59835351
how is that random faggot do the research if you care about an opposite pov. wow so random

>>59835460
>>59835022
>If you wanted to know why free health care is wrong and NOT EFFICIENT

>>59835529
oh cuz you think it's efficient ?

>>59835142
You're employer has to pay whether you have insurance or not if you hurt yourself at work.

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>>59833830
Not sure what ghetto Jemal lives in, but I live in a upper scale area and have top tier dental, vision, GP, shrink, and specialists. Go as needed, short waits. Low co-pay, medz cost. Murika is what you make of it.

>>59835259
they used some so called non evasive process where they only make a one inch slit in you your back. they insert a tiny camera with tiny robotic tools on in and go in reconstruct the disk. shit is like magic.

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Have good insurance from wifes work. Have "elective" hip replacement surgery.
In network doctor.

Wife makes 80k job pays 90% of HC

>foot hurts
>go to podiatrist
>they give me some shitty cast

Had to pay $150 for the cast, and $350 dollar bill in the mail for the appointment, and the cast thing didnt even work. Had to go back and they made me get x-rays and an mri on my foot to figure out the problem, another $600 dollars.

I have PEIA from my parents but next month i turn 26 and have to switch to my own. DESU american healthcare costs are complete bullshit, id rather just pay a flat tax and be done with it.

>>59835249
It's a matter of balancing resources, common sense and the right of the patient to proper living standard without pain. If the patient has a low life expectancy (let's say less than 3 years) and the pain can be properly managed with drugs then it makes sense to avoid replacement. But it's probably a difficult decision in many cases.

>If you want a new knee and you're old, pay for it yourself
Can't agree. Old people have paid their taxes for decades, all their working life, probably paid more than most. They have the right to demand those resources spent on them too.

>>59835625
It was a preexisting condition since I've had back problems since before i was employed there. So it did not work that way. this was just regular insurance.

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>>59832735
>when there's something serious, like cancer or a heart transplant, everybody goes to public healthcare since they tend to be the real seasoned pros
Yeah, that's why rich Spanish people always use public healthcare instead of going to the US when they have a serious problem, right?

>>59827683
>whenever you buy shit or get paid, a chunk of it goes to the government
>you have a health card which is a government issued piece of photo identification
>present it during any medical transaction such as a doctor's appointment, hospital visit, bloodwork, etc - but excluding most prescriptions
>that facility/medical professional bills the government for the transaction, your health card being proof of your entitlement to healthcare
>government pays on your behalf
>at hospitals, doctors and hospital both bill as separate entities (though the hospital will organize the billing for the doctors)
>if the facility attempts to unfairly price hike like what you get in America, they've got the government to deal with instead of divided citizens
So it's not a totally bad system. I'm usually against most socialized programs, but I do genuinely believe it's in any tribe's best interest to have a special deal worked out with its medicine man the same way it'd work one out with its warriors. It's just too important.

>>59832735
Spain has healthcare?
Thought all you had was moors and flamenco dancers and bulls and towers of people

>>59834822
Dude, the "I'm never going to get sick cause I'm awesome" approach to healthcare is not good.

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>>59835218
America is not Canada or Mexico you goatcucker, it's the nice part in the middle.

>either call in to the specific MD to get an appointment (around 3 days up to a month depending on what disease or reason) or go there without an appointment (around 1-2h waittime if it is nothing that urging)

>get examined
>either get meds, further treatment or get a transfer to another doctor if your problem is not in the field of said doctor
>meds from the phamarcy are most likely free - with exepction of some non-healing meds or non-live-important have like light pain medication or surpression stuff (aspirin, paracetamol, cetricine, allgergy nose sprays and so one - these cost like around five bucks - with the exepection if you are jobless and receive state welfare - then its all free)

>all non-cosmetic operations which are needed to sustain a normal life are considered to be paid by your healthcare
>they even pay for stomach surgeries if you can not lose weight with the held of a doctor in a timewindow of 2 years and most likely have to pay for further operations like skin repairs if you have "psychological problems with those skinflabs"

Your stated asscancer is obviously a life threat so will be treated correctly free from any extra charge with all the meds for free - bet even the painkillers are considered to be paid by the healthcare comapny since its mandatory in cancer treatment.

The costs of the healthcare is around 14% of your payroll which covers the medical bills of your family. (Wife, children and so on)
As stated welfarees or people in pension get it for free.

>be american
>injure yourself
>cant walk
>doesn't call ambulance cause it costs money

>>59835769

I'm glad to hear you got so lucky.

My dad had a pinched spinal nerve - I've never seen a grown man in so much agony and rendered so helpless before. I had to take really good care of him.

>>59836417
this was me in October when I crashed my motorcycle. Talked to my Aunt (head nurse) at Thanksgiving about it and she said I probably cracked my patella. Oh well, I'm all fine now.

>>59827683
I can tell you about ass cancer in Australia, without insurance:

>visit 'free' clinic or nearly 'free' clinic, wait 15m-3h to see doc
>doc pokes your arse, refers you to specialist
>doc tells you the wait will be extreme without insurance
>queue to see specialist 3-5 months unless urgent
>if urgent, shitting blood tier, queue about 1 month if you're lucky
>specialist asks you same questions as previous doc, pokes your arse again
>specialist determines how urgent it really is:
>most urgent state mandated wait time for colonoscopy under 30 days
>actual wait time for most urgent currently at 6 weeks
>semi urgent: 90 days, actually 6 months
>non urgent: 365 days, actually have to wait until condition worsens to urgent to get treatment

If something like a precancerous polyp is found, it can be removed during the procedure or sch to be removed later. If they actually find cancer, the treatment in our public health system would be similar to the treatment you might get over there, just with more people per room when in recovery.

As for paying for it, all Australian taxpayers pay 2% of their income in a 'medicare levy', and a further 1-1.5% if they're on a moderate to high income without private health insurance. I believe they also dip into general revenue to pay for some of it.

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>>59827683

I've had to go to emergency with food poisoning, spent the night on a drip and was given morphine. $0 after signing a form.

Wrist injury, requiring X-ray, $0.

My mother had 'ass cancer', was treated as a public patient and was seen to quickly and efficiently and has been in remission for 8 years.

We also get most meds at a massive discount, like if you don't earn much or are on welfare your basic medications are $6.10, if you work they're $38. If you spend more than a certain amount on meds then the rest are all covered.

Australia spends less per capita on healthcare than the US. I'm a small government Libertarian but socialized health care is pretty much the glaring exception to the rule of government vs private, it works.

>>59827683
fortunately enough i haven't even really used healthcare because i'm not a fat fuck who needs heart surgery every 2 months

>>59836519
I am happy that you're fine

>>59836692
thank you, Swedebro. I hope the economic migrants don't murder you for not being mudslime.

>>59836636
>seen to quickly and efficiently
This is definitely not the case ANYWHERE in NSW any more.

>>59836533

>laws get to decide whats 'urgent'

they've never heard of healing things before they get irreversibly worse? nipping it in the bud?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2jijuj1ysw

>>59836421
Oh yeah, the fucking pain is so bad you can't even describe it. I was rolling around on the floor and crawling around trying to get comfortable. got zero sleep and wanted to die. the pain meds did absolutely nothing. I think the only thing lucky about me was that i lived by this outpatient surgery place. Most hospitals still use the old fashion kind of back surgery for because of stupid regulations.

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>>59833595
I'm seeing a lot of Americans here deal with the whole shitty waiting for treatment and such and I've yet to ever deal with that. If you're going to live in a country where healthcare comes at a cost, you should never be cheap about it. I'm sure most of you that deal with this kind of shit work low end jobs like the rest of those nogs. I contacted my dentist yesterday, scheduled an appointment for Monday morning, it also depends on where you live and what you're trying to have done. Our government treats the people like shit and always has, things never change, especially when all they're worried about is legal weed or lgbt rights, we don't have time to discuss things like insurance issues and healthcare issues.

>>59836795
Did i ever say i wasnt a mudslime?

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>>59827683
>Have intense stomach pains, vomitting, not able to eat anything, go to doc they tell me it's a stomach flu

>Continues over several weeks I go to ER several times, they tell me it's not urgent go to your primary care, I go to primary care he tells me to wait and see if it passes away by itself.

> 2 months go by, I'm pressing my doc several times a week about doing something, went from 84 to 72 kg at this point, He finally sends me to a specialist,get gastroscopy and coloscopy, "oh wow annon your stomach is literally bleeding in there let me send you to the hospital, there's a waiting time of 3 months before they'll take you in"

>Get to hospital 2½ months later, I'm frail and weak as fuck at this point, they need to do same test as other doc, have to wait 3 weeks because of queue, test was "inconclusive" I tell them to fuck off and do it again, have to wait again

>Nurse calls my phone with test results a few days after "oh wow anon your shit is really fucked up in there we have to give you some medicine, lets make an apointment in 3 weeks for you to get your medicine"

> Finally get treatment 6-7 months after I went to my doctor first time, such is life in communist denmark

>>59827683
Was earning £36k in UK, tax 28%. Emergency surgery took a day (twice) and non emergency can take a month appointment. It's not that bad.

>>59836832
They have to take a razor to any spending they can - arse cancer is a slow moving one, and typically only happens to people who are old enough to be rich enough to have private insurance. Our public health system gets squeezed on all sides - politicians can't afford give the hospitals enough money to hit all their targets, and the highly unionised health workforce wring every last cent from the employers for their members. Also doesn't help that there is no financial incentive for the public to stay healthy, or at least have a stake in their own well-being.

>be american
>tell other countries about their healthcare experiences I've never experienced

you mad?

>>59837206
>things that didn't happen

>>59837415
>38k
>28% tax
how the fuck you people live on that will and not revolt?

>>59836826

Never had a problem in Victoria. You guys had corrupt, shithouse State Government for ages though.

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>>59827683
Why ask them when you can ask your friendly next door neighbor... Or your wife!

>>59837195
Im not a mudslime i have finnish and swedish heritage

>>59827683


>Let's say you find out you have ass cancer. What happens?


Thing can get a little soupy down there.

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>>59837625
Well we don't have to pay $200k in medical bill to fix anal bleeding twice a year after getting raped by the NRA

>>59837625
It's strange, I earn less in canada, but save the same per month. The cost of living adjusts.

I had another incident in canada this year (accident prone). $529.27. UK would have cost me 0.

>>59836025
Lmao Spain is a country still

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american healthcare is like everything else here, amazing if you have money and absolute shit if you don't

>sucks to suck

>>59837775
Yes you do, just not voluntarily.

>>59827683
No one has free Healthcare, unless they are not paying taxes. This shit gets so old.

It unfortunately needs to be a privilege so not to be taken advantage of by lazy mooches.

it's god awful

the system is abused by people who don't take care of their health, hypochondriacs are always at the clinics so you have to wait 2-3 hours NO MATTER WHAT when you want to see a doctor

we also have the WORST doctors and they don't give a SHIT

>>59838073

>peace (through superior firepower) out

wew lad

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>>59838111
Trips? Strange, that's the exact number of canadians currently fucking your mother!

>>59827683
27 % tax on ordinary income ( after deductions) .
9 % state tax on gross income of 550,550 to 796,400.
12 % state tax on gross income over 885 600 .
7.8% trygdeavgift (social tax) on gross income.

>>59827683
>What happens?
I go to the hospital they diagnose me with shit and I get treated.
>Also state your job
Waiter.
>taxed overall.
25% I think its now so 1 quarter of my pay which ends up around a thousand dollars a month and that means 12 thousand dollars paid in texas each year aprox.

>>59838804
sry 35 perc it says on my papers,damn I play a lot of taxes

>>59838784
dont forget the soft tax via inflation due to your central banking system : ^)

>>59827683

If every person from countries with free healhcare say it's shit, then why do American liberals want to copy them when we have 10 times the amount of people and land.

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>>59831957
that's one of the dumbest things i've ever heard! everybody knows the sex changes are free!

>>59827683
I ruptured my distal bicep training at the gym, within 2 weeks it was surgically repaired by the NHS. At the time I was earning £27k per annum with approximately 30% tax.

>>59838784

>27% income tax

seriously? I hope this is reserved for your billionaires.

>>59827683
It is pretty shit, the staff are all obnoxious cunts who don't care and I lost my Great Granddad due to NHS incompetence. So fuck the state healthcare system.

>>59839404
They'd all flee the country if this was the case. It sounds great to tax the shit out of the rich... (This is da dey terk ur jerbs mentality) the truth is the super wealthy will simply become citizens elsewhere and save money.

>>59839627

Capital flight is a very real thing, absolutely.

I'm super surprised people even bother putting up companies in these countries.

>>59839485
>Fuck the NHS
>Fuck the Police
>Fuck the Emergency services
>Fuck the Army
>Fuck the Government
>Anarkey Rools
Your post.

>>59839989
>If I dislike the NHS I want to abolish the state
Wew

>>59839989

>the state killed my grandfather

>WOOOOW WHY DON'T YOU ABOLISH IT THEN U FUCKIN CAPITALIST OHOHOHOHO

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