Can eurocucks explain what it's really like to have """"""""""""""""""""""""free"""""""""""""""""""""" healthcare?
Let's say you find out you have ass cancer. What happens?
Also state your job, and how much you get taxed overall.
I'll put you a very recent example of an 'aunt' of mine, two days ago, literally:
>goes to local hospital ER due to persistent neck/mouth pain
>they do preliminary tests
>they see some rare shit in an x-ray of her jaw
>they tell her to stay for the night and do some more tests
>she has a tumor behind her jaw
>let her go the next day
>has to come back monday to see oncologist and talk/begin treatment
Now all she has to care is about the treatment. She is retired, in her seventies, and used to be a teacher.
I thought lines were a myth made up by bill o'reiley?
>Be American with "good" insurance
>Go to hospital
>Boy I sure hope my insurance covers this
>Start coverage slot machine.
>Doctor wants to give me Tylenol
>Sit in a chair
>Pls cover this
>Spin coverage slot machine.
>Fuck yeah! 777! That means that sitting in a chair at a hospital is covered at 70% by my insurance company.
>Starts spewing blood
>Doctors give me some fluid through an IV. I don't have time to ask if it will be covered. Suddenly I'm out cold.
>Receive a bill in the mail 8 months later for $6000
I've had a few Pablo, would you like to write them in Spanish for you?
None of them involved excessive waiting. I think the worst of the worst stories get used by your anti-Healthcare lobby to try and prove that this sort of healthcare is flawed.
Had a hernia operation, years ago, after Doctor was informed, I was in the hospital with 3 weeks, Operation 2 days in Hospital (it's quicker now they have a new technique) and home. a few weeks later Nurse pays a visit removes stitches. maybe I should greentext the whole story sometime.
i go to an oncologist and get treatment what else would happen
national insurance which is 5% of my salary gets split between police, fire services and the NHS, so probably about 2% goes to the NHS
Not euro, Australian.
You won't die waiting, you're triaged in accordance with the severity of your illness.
This means that for something minor, you could be waiting a few months.
Cancer you're treated for instantly.
Cut my penis off, doctor offers me sex change; covered under obama's new trans-acceptance initiative, I accept, cost me 7,000,000.95 USD. Insurance covered 6.00 USD.
You get diagnosed, treatment is devised, treatment begins.
No job, no tax dollarydoos.
Remember that free healthcare means free at the point of use with no expectation of having insurance.
Not exactly, it seems like it was just one of those things . . .the tubes never closed properly after testicle descended, . . .grew up in my teens thinking I had 3 balls, it was only in my early 20's that it was a bit uncomfortable and one of my 'balls' was the size of an Avocado . .. I went to Docs, shitting myself that it was Cancer.
Fine. It was NHS which is never as good as a Private Hospital (eg. my bed was on a ward as opposed to a Private room) . . .funnily enough most Surgeons that do NHS operations also do private ones.
I went to a hospital that was non-profit (whatever the fuck that means) for an asthma attack. It has been years since I've ever had to use an inhaler so it caught me off guard. I was there for maybe an hour and half until I was treated and released. I received albuterol as well as a prescription for it. I was charged exactly $666 for my visit. I don't care what it's like, this is retarded.
Here the real difference between public and private is also merely whether the room is shared or not. No quality of service meme. The private hospitals here appeal to people who like their hospital stay to be like they're at home or at a hotel... Which I don't particularly care for anyway.
The waiting times always have been reasonable, I believe the NHS is like this too. The waiting time meme is for minor ailments which are not serious and at best only slightly affect quality of life.
In comparison to me paying 1.5% tax levy, you burgers have to pay a shitlaod for insurance that doesn't cover a lot, also requires you to pay a premium, and leaves you out in the cold if something happens if you can't afford it.
Universal healthcare is the one thing I can't agree with Thomas Sowell and Milton Friedman on. It needs to be a thing in all first world countries.
>retard left knife blade up in the dish strainer
>slice arm open putting something in it
>get ride from friend to hospital
>12 stitches in arm
>$1300 bill for 12 stitches some gauze and an ace bandage
>Let's say you find out you have ass cancer. What happens?
My mother went recently to her yearly breast control. They found two foreign body on her left breast. The day later she was operated in that same hospital, thankfully it was just a benign tumor. Total cost: 0
she is a lawyer.
where I live those who can afford it pay private insurance. You then use private insurance for the petty shit, like a strange skin rash or back pain when exercising, because you'll get your visit and tests done in a week. Public healthcare is a gamble on these low priority cases: can take a week or it can take a few months, since more urgent cases will get bumped in front of you for tests and such.
But when there's something serious, like cancer or a heart transplant, everybody goes to public healthcare since they tend to be the real seasoned pros. Same goes for ER emergencies. Their equipment is less shiny than the private hospitals but they are the ones doing most of the healthcare heavy lifting in this country (transplants, major surgeries, etc). Even face transplants are done by public healthcare, I wonder how much would that cost in a private american hospital.
>grew up in my teens thinking I had 3 balls, it was only in my early 20's that it was a bit uncomfortable and one of my 'balls' was the size of an Avocado
I'm quite happy they are cutting it, just to spite my nan who at 85 lords it over every one, and never stops going on about her bloddy bus pass.
On pensions I'm not that fussed, I'm 30 with 3 private pension funds , a well paying job, and I still live in a council house while I save for my own place
Kinda awkward how most other countries investment in health care are lower than the US but most of them are more efficient and actually work rather than just bankrupting the patient.
Oi burgerblob it's fairly simple:
>pay 100 euro a month (mandatory)
>if you happen to fall ill you go to a doctor
>you have to pay the frst 400 cunto of treatment out of your own pocket
>catch cancer, get diagnosed, wait 2 months, get whatever treatment is cheapest
>go on 4chan and mock american healthcare
>mother has bad hips
>need one of them replaced
>applies for surgery through the NHS
>since the operation isn't a priority, she's pushed to the back of the list
>they say the waiting time is over 1 year for the operation
>she's in immense pain every day from severe joint aches
>signs up for private health insurance
>pays the premium
>hospital within the week
Yes, this is EXACTLY how it happens unless you have a life threatening injury. If your injury is something that isn't a 'priority' then you're basically seen as a leech and thrown to the back of the line while Laquisha is getting a hospital bed because she wants the 10th ultrasound on her 5th baby.
Don't believe the cucks here, the system is not better. I'm reminded of that 'capitalism vs socialism' picture that said something along the lines of 'in capitalism the bread waits for you'
>get ass cancer
>go to doctor
>he wants to know more
>wait a month
>go to other doctor
>he says it "may" be cancer
>wait a month
>go to other doctor
>he does tests
>wait a month
>test says I 100% do have ass cancer
>wait a month
>go to 1st doctor to find out what to do
>tells me to go other doctor to get ready for chemo
>wait a month
>doctor sets me up for chemo
>wait a month
>go to chemo
It's really bad here. I think the government just wants to give everyone jobs instead of be efficient.
In their defense, this would happen a lot faster if you were in actual trouble, but I've never know someone to need immediate care to the point that he/she asked for faster service.
Takes forever to get a specialist, and they have a system for turning you down without telling unless you have a referral. I'm taxed about 50 percent of my income total, but it's not all healthcare.
It's kinda shit
Family doctors are good, though. Too bad I need specialist with my condition
Makes sense. Cancer treatment or most surgeries are luxuries imo. Should not be covered by a single payer health care system. What I don't get is how Americans end up paying a shit ton for simple medication. Or end up paying for health treatment in taxes and have to pay more when visiting the doctor.
>Go to get new glasses
>Appointment is 4 weeks out
>Go to dentist
>Appointment is 3 weeks out
>Need an operation
>They book me next month
>Show up at my appointments
>Wait several hours past the appointment time anyway
>Visit the ER
>Pray you don't bleed out before your 5 hour wait time is up
And I'm an American. I can't imagine what lines are like in Europe.
America, why don't you just strip down your bloated government and spend the saved funds on free healthcare?
Cut all welfare except for those who need it, stop the war on drugs, cut all foreign aid, decrease pensions and give heavy penalties to government officials inflating their budgets.... I'm talking death penalty.
It'll work m8s.... It's nice knowing I will get healthcare if I ever need it.
Just don't make the mistakes we made and only give free healthcare to those who deserve it... (No obese, alcoholics)
OH and Don't offer cosmetic procedures like transition surgery and boob jobs
If you are poor enough, you get government healthcare.
Also, most poor people who don't qualify for medicaid just don't go to the doctor at all until it gets so bad they have to go to the ER, and then the doctors have to treat them and they just never pay.
The higher the cost of your currency, the more expensive your goods are in relation to other countries. If I can get some punjab to do a job for 100 of his rupees or whatever, that's only a small amount of US dollars. But if I get achmed from bongland to do the same job, I'd have to pay him 100 queenbux. Which would be more US dollars. So I avoid goods from bongland.
Should I take this to mean that your education is as shit as your healthcare?
>And I'm an American. I can't imagine what lines are like in Europe.
Far better than that.
I can get an appointment at Optician in a couple days.
Same with Dentist (max 1 week)
Yes you often have to wait for upto 30 mins or so past appointment time at Dentist/Doctors.
ER is variable depending on urgency.
And using your logic, with our strong queencash we could buy even more from prejeet then you and then sell them to you for even more cuckcoins, if we so wished, do you even free market
>powerful common cold type virus invades my body
>get hospitalized the next day
>have to bribe every day for assistant to change the medical fluid pack which flows into my arm trough a tube, basically to do her job
>bribe the janitors to clear the area around my bed, they are careful not to clean more areas to the next patient's bed until they bribe too
>bribe the doctor so he won't "accidentally" mess up my throat surgery
>bribe him more so i'll get sleeping gas during the surgery
>accompany grandmother to hospital
>it is a state hospital
>broke people from all over the city and nearby villages are there
>place is packed
>wait 2 hours then my grand mother gets her turn
it was an eye hospital, most people get a quick checkup to see if they need surgery or not. They visit the doctor for it every 6 months. Working conditions for doctors here isn't good but hey progress. I hardly visit the doctor. The most recent ones were for ear checkups and pulling out by wisdom teeth. Booked them the day before and a week before respectively. Sometimes you just show up and book with the secretary that day and wait your turn. That is just for the most minor of things though.
>implying transition surgery is not a life threatening illness worthy of NHS funding
>go to housedoctor
>he says it broken
>housedoctor makes appoinment at hospital
>get my arm fixed
>doctor prescribes me some medicine for the pain
>go to pharmacy
>pharmacy says these pills are not insured
>pay 2 euros
>gas yourself commie
Nice meme. There is literally nothing wrong with subsidised healthcare - within reason. Calling everything you don't like communism like the annoying libertardian you are doesn't refute anything.
>mfw americans actually think this is true
>only just 2016
>already, a burger is being a retard on the worldwide web
You're a fucking idiot, the UK now specializes in high quality products, the type of shit a pleb like you can't buy. Rolls Royce cars are made here in Surrey for example. Many other fine products are made here, then you come along and tell us that its better to have a currency akin to India's so we can all shit in the street while answering calls about American citizen's computer problems? Are you 14?
not sure if sarcastic but my 3rd world upbringing makes me accept low health standards. My family is healthy tho. No heart conditions, no cancer in any of my near relatives. Grand parents average age is about 83 and are/were all healthy until old age so never needed any serious treatment. I had asthma when I was a kid so I don't know how the expenses played out, but it stopped without any treatment. health care is overrated when you simply have good genes.
its 'free' because cost of living is literally twice what it is here when you factor in all the taxes
its all fun and games until you add a few million freeloading Syrians to the system and then things go to shit
britbong living in the US with good insurance, you couldn't pay me enough to go back there
hip/knee replacement surgeries for adults (I'm guessing your mother is not in her 40s) are always pushed back and even frowned upon by some surgeons on very old patients. For some of them it makes no sense to replace the knees of an old man that will surely die in the next few years, so they'd rather manage the pain than replace.
When your mother has to wait a year for a hip replacement it's because the surgeons are working on saving lives rather than making ultrasounds. It's a very low priority condition.
Because they don't have strong public system to counter the prices of private one
>romanians are not gypsies, I swear
>Ironic considering you've done nothing to refute anything we've said
you americans are talking bullshit about europeans dieing in line waiting for healthcare
how should we refute without laughing?
>get hit by car
>insurance receives my $250,000 bill and pays for it
feels good not having a shit job and then whining about how my life is soooooo awful and how i need gibsmedat
there's ton of refuting material online idiot. if you wanted to know why free health care is wrong and not efficient you'd do the research youself
you're not interested in that. youre just yet another idiot who defend whatever his country has and believes in
Friendo, there's a reason China keeps trying to devalue its own currency. At this point, the UK has basically given up on exporting whatsoever. Citing one off luxury goods doesn't change the fact that it's literally cheaper to get a job done anywhere else in the world.
It is. At least here.
>Get appointment with primary care physician
>"Everything seems fine but here are some painkillers/antibiotics just in case :^)"
>Don't get better
>Get new appointment
>"Oh we don't actually treat things here, I'll set up an appointment at the hospital for you :^)"
>6 months later
>"There's not a whole lot we can do for you at this point, why don't you come back if it gets worse :^)"
>omg its not my job to educate you
Hi there tumblr! I realise government interventions are inefficient a lot of the time but I'd rather be subject to some inefficiency than a cut throat free market system that buttfucks you anyway
>have private healthcare
>hurt myself at work
>get herniated disc
>hurts like hell
>go to doctor same day
>says it may have have ruptured and pinched a spinal nerve
>sets my up for surgery the next morning
>2 week recovery
>costs nothing extra since I pay for insurance
>turn on cnn
>some tranny newscaster tells me the US and medical system is fucked and the sky is falling
>he thinks "america" means united states and not the entire continent
I'll you what, rightly so. "Just put a new knee in", that's what people think. It will all be magically alright with some metal mechanism that's hammered into your bones. Deny old age, deny the seriousness of chopping off a knee, complications, et cetera.
If you want a new knee and you're old, pay for it yourself.
>Hi there tumblr!
you seem to know what's on tumblr. not impressed.
>I realise government interventions are inefficient a lot of the time but I'd rather be subject to some inefficiency than a cut throat free market system that buttfucks you anyway
a totally random, out of nowhere statement
Not sure what ghetto Jemal lives in, but I live in a upper scale area and have top tier dental, vision, GP, shrink, and specialists. Go as needed, short waits. Low co-pay, medz cost. Murika is what you make of it.
they used some so called non evasive process where they only make a one inch slit in you your back. they insert a tiny camera with tiny robotic tools on in and go in reconstruct the disk. shit is like magic.
Have good insurance from wifes work. Have "elective" hip replacement surgery.
In network doctor.
Wife makes 80k job pays 90% of HC
>go to podiatrist
>they give me some shitty cast
Had to pay $150 for the cast, and $350 dollar bill in the mail for the appointment, and the cast thing didnt even work. Had to go back and they made me get x-rays and an mri on my foot to figure out the problem, another $600 dollars.
I have PEIA from my parents but next month i turn 26 and have to switch to my own. DESU american healthcare costs are complete bullshit, id rather just pay a flat tax and be done with it.
It's a matter of balancing resources, common sense and the right of the patient to proper living standard without pain. If the patient has a low life expectancy (let's say less than 3 years) and the pain can be properly managed with drugs then it makes sense to avoid replacement. But it's probably a difficult decision in many cases.
>If you want a new knee and you're old, pay for it yourself
Can't agree. Old people have paid their taxes for decades, all their working life, probably paid more than most. They have the right to demand those resources spent on them too.
>when there's something serious, like cancer or a heart transplant, everybody goes to public healthcare since they tend to be the real seasoned pros
Yeah, that's why rich Spanish people always use public healthcare instead of going to the US when they have a serious problem, right?
>whenever you buy shit or get paid, a chunk of it goes to the government
>you have a health card which is a government issued piece of photo identification
>present it during any medical transaction such as a doctor's appointment, hospital visit, bloodwork, etc - but excluding most prescriptions
>that facility/medical professional bills the government for the transaction, your health card being proof of your entitlement to healthcare
>government pays on your behalf
>at hospitals, doctors and hospital both bill as separate entities (though the hospital will organize the billing for the doctors)
>if the facility attempts to unfairly price hike like what you get in America, they've got the government to deal with instead of divided citizens
So it's not a totally bad system. I'm usually against most socialized programs, but I do genuinely believe it's in any tribe's best interest to have a special deal worked out with its medicine man the same way it'd work one out with its warriors. It's just too important.
America is not Canada or Mexico you goatcucker, it's the nice part in the middle.
>either call in to the specific MD to get an appointment (around 3 days up to a month depending on what disease or reason) or go there without an appointment (around 1-2h waittime if it is nothing that urging)
>either get meds, further treatment or get a transfer to another doctor if your problem is not in the field of said doctor
>meds from the phamarcy are most likely free - with exepction of some non-healing meds or non-live-important have like light pain medication or surpression stuff (aspirin, paracetamol, cetricine, allgergy nose sprays and so one - these cost like around five bucks - with the exepection if you are jobless and receive state welfare - then its all free)
>all non-cosmetic operations which are needed to sustain a normal life are considered to be paid by your healthcare
>they even pay for stomach surgeries if you can not lose weight with the held of a doctor in a timewindow of 2 years and most likely have to pay for further operations like skin repairs if you have "psychological problems with those skinflabs"
Your stated asscancer is obviously a life threat so will be treated correctly free from any extra charge with all the meds for free - bet even the painkillers are considered to be paid by the healthcare comapny since its mandatory in cancer treatment.
The costs of the healthcare is around 14% of your payroll which covers the medical bills of your family. (Wife, children and so on)
As stated welfarees or people in pension get it for free.
I'm glad to hear you got so lucky.
My dad had a pinched spinal nerve - I've never seen a grown man in so much agony and rendered so helpless before. I had to take really good care of him.
this was me in October when I crashed my motorcycle. Talked to my Aunt (head nurse) at Thanksgiving about it and she said I probably cracked my patella. Oh well, I'm all fine now.
I can tell you about ass cancer in Australia, without insurance:
>visit 'free' clinic or nearly 'free' clinic, wait 15m-3h to see doc
>doc pokes your arse, refers you to specialist
>doc tells you the wait will be extreme without insurance
>queue to see specialist 3-5 months unless urgent
>if urgent, shitting blood tier, queue about 1 month if you're lucky
>specialist asks you same questions as previous doc, pokes your arse again
>specialist determines how urgent it really is:
>most urgent state mandated wait time for colonoscopy under 30 days
>actual wait time for most urgent currently at 6 weeks
>semi urgent: 90 days, actually 6 months
>non urgent: 365 days, actually have to wait until condition worsens to urgent to get treatment
If something like a precancerous polyp is found, it can be removed during the procedure or sch to be removed later. If they actually find cancer, the treatment in our public health system would be similar to the treatment you might get over there, just with more people per room when in recovery.
As for paying for it, all Australian taxpayers pay 2% of their income in a 'medicare levy', and a further 1-1.5% if they're on a moderate to high income without private health insurance. I believe they also dip into general revenue to pay for some of it.
I've had to go to emergency with food poisoning, spent the night on a drip and was given morphine. $0 after signing a form.
Wrist injury, requiring X-ray, $0.
My mother had 'ass cancer', was treated as a public patient and was seen to quickly and efficiently and has been in remission for 8 years.
We also get most meds at a massive discount, like if you don't earn much or are on welfare your basic medications are $6.10, if you work they're $38. If you spend more than a certain amount on meds then the rest are all covered.
Australia spends less per capita on healthcare than the US. I'm a small government Libertarian but socialized health care is pretty much the glaring exception to the rule of government vs private, it works.
Oh yeah, the fucking pain is so bad you can't even describe it. I was rolling around on the floor and crawling around trying to get comfortable. got zero sleep and wanted to die. the pain meds did absolutely nothing. I think the only thing lucky about me was that i lived by this outpatient surgery place. Most hospitals still use the old fashion kind of back surgery for because of stupid regulations.
I'm seeing a lot of Americans here deal with the whole shitty waiting for treatment and such and I've yet to ever deal with that. If you're going to live in a country where healthcare comes at a cost, you should never be cheap about it. I'm sure most of you that deal with this kind of shit work low end jobs like the rest of those nogs. I contacted my dentist yesterday, scheduled an appointment for Monday morning, it also depends on where you live and what you're trying to have done. Our government treats the people like shit and always has, things never change, especially when all they're worried about is legal weed or lgbt rights, we don't have time to discuss things like insurance issues and healthcare issues.
>Have intense stomach pains, vomitting, not able to eat anything, go to doc they tell me it's a stomach flu
>Continues over several weeks I go to ER several times, they tell me it's not urgent go to your primary care, I go to primary care he tells me to wait and see if it passes away by itself.
> 2 months go by, I'm pressing my doc several times a week about doing something, went from 84 to 72 kg at this point, He finally sends me to a specialist,get gastroscopy and coloscopy, "oh wow annon your stomach is literally bleeding in there let me send you to the hospital, there's a waiting time of 3 months before they'll take you in"
>Get to hospital 2½ months later, I'm frail and weak as fuck at this point, they need to do same test as other doc, have to wait 3 weeks because of queue, test was "inconclusive" I tell them to fuck off and do it again, have to wait again
>Nurse calls my phone with test results a few days after "oh wow anon your shit is really fucked up in there we have to give you some medicine, lets make an apointment in 3 weeks for you to get your medicine"
> Finally get treatment 6-7 months after I went to my doctor first time, such is life in communist denmark
They have to take a razor to any spending they can - arse cancer is a slow moving one, and typically only happens to people who are old enough to be rich enough to have private insurance. Our public health system gets squeezed on all sides - politicians can't afford give the hospitals enough money to hit all their targets, and the highly unionised health workforce wring every last cent from the employers for their members. Also doesn't help that there is no financial incentive for the public to stay healthy, or at least have a stake in their own well-being.
Why ask them when you can ask your friendly next door neighbor... Or your wife!
Well we don't have to pay $200k in medical bill to fix anal bleeding twice a year after getting raped by the NRA
It's strange, I earn less in canada, but save the same per month. The cost of living adjusts.
I had another incident in canada this year (accident prone). $529.27. UK would have cost me 0.
american healthcare is like everything else here, amazing if you have money and absolute shit if you don't
>sucks to suck
it's god awful
the system is abused by people who don't take care of their health, hypochondriacs are always at the clinics so you have to wait 2-3 hours NO MATTER WHAT when you want to see a doctor
we also have the WORST doctors and they don't give a SHIT
Trips? Strange, that's the exact number of canadians currently fucking your mother!
27 % tax on ordinary income ( after deductions) .
9 % state tax on gross income of 550,550 to 796,400.
12 % state tax on gross income over 885 600 .
7.8% trygdeavgift (social tax) on gross income.
I go to the hospital they diagnose me with shit and I get treated.
>Also state your job
25% I think its now so 1 quarter of my pay which ends up around a thousand dollars a month and that means 12 thousand dollars paid in texas each year aprox.
that's one of the dumbest things i've ever heard! everybody knows the sex changes are free!
They'd all flee the country if this was the case. It sounds great to tax the shit out of the rich... (This is da dey terk ur jerbs mentality) the truth is the super wealthy will simply become citizens elsewhere and save money.