Ron and Rand are faggot commies compared to Trump. The reason they were popular in the past is they were indeed better than any other kike traitor alternative we had then. I wouldve liked to see Rand as vp (Cruz to Supreme Court) but Randlet is being a faggot.
I like Ron Paul, I really do. But in this instance, he's not really seeing the big picture. For instance, he can say that american interventions lead to the current state of the muslims (and this is mostly true) but it doesn't change the fact that they are dangerous and we should stop letting them into our country. Trump is actually fairly close to Ron Paul when it comes to foreign policy. Non-intervention unless totally necessary
And I don't know Ron's exact position on immigration, but since he's a libertarian, I'm assuming he's all for more immigration (and has no problems with free trade either). But these things are killing americans' livelihoods.
You can be libertarian without being a globalist shill. You don't need to support open borders and free trade. Free market principles for inside the country, while taking care when it comes to people/products from elsewhere
>>59826126 Ron Paul was our pick when /pol/ was still /new/ and /n/. /pol/ is satire compared to /new/.
This board is nothing but trolling.
The reason Donald Trump is popular is simple human psychology. The vast majority of people in society are unintelligent. And nothing makes those of lower intelligence like other mentally-challenged people than when mentally-challenged people start talking shit and acting like paper tiger badasses. That's why shit talking is popular among niggers and why "bantz" are popular among sports fans. And it's why uneducated young children like name-calling and taunting.
People with lower intelligence like simple bullshit. And it's pretty much a given that there are only two types of politicians that get into office anymore. 1. The ones offering "free" shit. 2. The ones that talk shit.
This is why you do not find any intelligent men in political positions anymore, at least where voting is used. Society is not smart enough anymore to elect educated men. I mean, you start talking about economics, inflation, cause-effect relations, etc, and it goes right over the typical voter or /pol/-user's head. Start talking about fags, mexicans, terror, guns, drugs, toy safety, racism, or some other non-issue, and the general public eats it up.
Think about it. There's a reason Islam and Christianity still exist. People are just not intelligent.
>>59827006 I'll also add, that this is the reason the men who founded the US did not allow suffrage to everyone. Women were banned from voting for the same reason children were. And men who were not Anglos or did not own land/physical property were prohibited as well, as other races and ethnicities were rightfully seen as unintelligent, and if you were an adult man and did not own land/a house/a business, you probably weren't smart enough to make sound political decisions.
All of this still holds true today. You'll find that most people who do not own land or a house/business are not mentally fit enough to make good choices, politically. People who take shady/bad loans notwithstanding. They lack intelligence as well.
You see, in order to make a good political decision, one is required to have what is known as "forethought". You need to be able to see down the road by a year, 5 years, and even several generations in some cases.
>>59824373 Fucking hell, this thread really shows how well the feds neutralized /pol/ as a threat to the status quo. Once an energetic bunch dedicated to overthrowing the powers that be and restoring freedom, this board now deafly and dumbly applauds those who would bind us in more chains. A pathetic collection of limp writes armchair fascists who waste away dreaming of a world where government can wave its magic wand and rid the world of minorities and "degeneracy".
>>59828037 libertarianism cannot work because being laissez faire on social policies just results in another group gaining control and pushing unlibertarian shit anyway. Demographics matter.
I'd love to see the end to the fed, the end of all these bullshit government programs, etc. But we'll NEVER have any conservative future period if we don't put an end to illegal immigration problem. They will overwhelm our demographics and make us vote for liberal cucks for the next 100 years
>>59824632 I like Ron and Rand, but you are basically right. Trump stole whatever thunder Rand was going to have. But Rand would have just been Ron all over again in the end, neither of them know how to work the system like Trump.
Only pussies would argue against what he says there. Real, self sufficient men would be happy to control their own destiny, get taxed less, take responsibility for their own actions and allow others to do the same. They aren't afraid of others bad decisions because they are strong enough to keep themselves secure and happy even through that.
Trump supporters and statists are just pussies who are afraid of being in control of their own individual destiny, and need big daddy government to give them a purpose and passion.
>>59829184 >you've really convinced yourself that you're smarter than everyone, haven't you?
I know for a fact I am. It's called "forethought" as I said. Skill in planning and seeing the effects of things are essential for political intellect and proper voting. This is why women are absolutely in no way capable of making sound political decisions. They cannot reason ahead and weigh outcomes. Their brains are not wired to pull it off.
>>59829320 This. He's actually in favor of pulling our troops out of the middle east and having them guard our borders.
>>59829523 I'm enlightened because I can think ahead. When I do anything important the first things going through my head are possible outcomes, even if those outcomes are highly unlikely.
>>59829413 >neither of them know how to work the system like Trump Absolutely 100% true. Neither man has a snowball's chance of being president. To be a president in the US, you MUST be: •Corrupt •Greedy •Purchasable •Able to appeal to the typical low-attention span of the average American voter
>>59830548 The ones here seem to believe that Trump can exterminate Islam or mount any effective defense or offense against it in any way. Islam is, truth be told, one of those nasty horrible problems that we really don't have a solution for. 80 to 100 years ago? Yeah. Round them up and deport them. But after WWII and the world's experience with holocaust propaganda, that card is no longer playable. So now at best you can prevent further immigration of them, but that does not stop the ones already in your country.
>>59832234 I'm just explaining why things are the way they are. It's backed by science.
For example, 18yos weren't allowed to vote in the US until 1971, and for good reason. The human brain does not stop the "neural pruning" process until the mid-20s or so. During neural pruning, the brain is in a more chaotic, sensory state as it sets itself up for survival in adulthood. The ability to think ahead, plan, weigh options, etc is greatly inhibited during the pruning stage in the first 22-26 years of life. This is the main reason younger people feel they'll live forever, vs. older people who sense their mortality more.
Our forefathers didn't know the science, but they understood that young people and other groups were not of sound mind to make political decisions. Electing men to run the government is a MASSIVE responsibility with consequences that stretch into the future for hundreds of years. Dumbasses elected Roosevelt and he gave us Social Security. The Social Security system sounds good to someone with low intelligence or no forethought. But when you look at it 50, 100, or even 200 years down the line, and ask questions like- >will the government dip into the fund to pay for pet projects and >can we maintain a balance of native workers kicking into the system you start to see the inherent problems with it. It's a pyramid scheme that is horribly flawed and is not sustainable. But the average voter cannot understand this because they can't see into the future or weigh negatives and positives.
Libertarians, for the most part, tend to be good at seeing into the future. We like to look at the consequences of actions to better prevent negative outcomes. Example: Drug laws sound great to stop addiction, right? But in reality the market demand for drugs will not go away if they're banned and someone WILL take advantage of that market, probably violently because of the inherent risk in selling illegal goods.
>>59833394 Libertarians also advocate open borders and letting companies pollute freely until they are successfully sued by civilians (good luck with that) after they already got poisoned or had their property ruined. BRILLIANT!! They surely are visionaries.
I'd say geopolitically they are much better at looking at the past and saying what should not have been done rather than looking at the present and deciding what has to be done.
It's no question that the West's meddling in the middle east has been disastrous but it's gotten to the point where turning to non intervention all of sudden won't help anymore, it's just gotta make things worse currently. They have to be smashed and smashed properly. They also have to be deported out of Europe and the US.
You say that it can not be done anymore, that it's impossible. That's what liberals do when they don't want to debate the merits of an action, they declare it impossible so that the debate either ends with that or shifts away from scary and unwinnable talks about necessity to the for them much comfier topic of possibility.
>>59834098 >Libertarians also advocate open borders and letting companies pollute freely until they are successfully sued by civilians As a German, you should feel ashamed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans-Hermann_Hoppe
Big untouchable corporations are children of big government. A company can't become an all-powerful behemoth without government protectionism and favoritism. Too many things go wrong when a corporation becomes huge, and if not for protections from the state, a corporation would have limited power. General Motors is a good example. It was bailed out on taxpayer funds. It paid the gov back, but the taxpayers didn't get any of that money. In libertarian government, GM would have died, and its assets would probably have been bought by Ford. Without such a safety net, the risk to a company for bad business decisions becomes very real. Thus, bad decisions are far less likely to avoid getting wrecked.
Also, polluting damages other people's property like vandalism, which is a criminal rather than a civil matter, and pollution would be punished in that manner. CEOs of polluting companies wouldn't just face lawsuits. They'd be looking at steep fines, hard labor, etc. Actual punishment befitting any crime against property.
>>59836164 >I think you made that one up yourself. Pollution causes property damage. Causing property damage is a criminal offense, is it not? You pour ten thousand gallons of polychlorinated biphenyls into a river damaging the property of everyone in the affected zone, it's like taking cans of spray paint and tagging hundreds of homes and businesses.
It's not a civil crime, but our current systems of government treat it this way. A libertarian government would treat it as a property crime, as that is what it obviously and literally is. Large scale vandalism.
>>59827786 The fact that this post is not being lauded by /pol/ just goes to show how much things have changed. Libertarianism, not racist socialism, would pretty much fix all of the problems everyone across the globe is facing today. Unfortunately everyone is too busy playing revolutionary to embrace true enlightenment.
>>59824373 >establishment Trump named the Jew on national TV and called out Israel for supporting ISIS. Fuck off shills. Its at 1:19 where Joe asks him if there are any other countries besides the Saudis and he almost says Israel. "I-ah there are".
>>59824373 All that stuff Ronny said is made up. When it comes to war, civil liberties, and other topics he is anything but establishment. The border and immigration is the only thing that matters this election anyways.
>>59824373 Oh Ron, and we had such great memories together. You had to go and fuck it up in your old age because your son is running for president. I'm surprised Rand isn't stopping him. Though maybe he is trying -- and is breaking dishes as I speak.
>>59836914 This dumb nigger. The west has hated Muslims for thousands of years, we have called crusade upon crusade to retake Islamic land, and The Ottoman Turks took over most of Eastern Asia. Our very idea of Europe is based in the struggle between Christianity and Islam
>>59836924 >pollution is something that can and has to be handled preemptively and with prejudice one of the most infamous cases of pollution in history was caused by a government- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_Canal
The US government is responsible for more CERCLA Superfund waste sites in the US than any other entity or any industry. The US gov, French, Brits, Chinese, and Russian govs dumped HUGE amounts of radioactive isotopes into the world's air and water supply with their nuclear testing. There's TONS of chemical weapons that have been dumped into the oceans by governments.
And, if you subscribe to the "manmade CO2 causes climate change" theory(not judging you either way here), the US gov is by far the largest contributor of CO2 in the us of any entity, the UK gov is in the UK, YOUR government is in Germany, etc etc, because carbon emission laws only apply to private interests.
>>59837509 Deist, agnostic. I find most atheists as bad as chistians, as they always seem to be atheists because they thought about higher powers/god for a little bit then said "there is no god because there is no proof" which tells me very clearly they didn't really do any philosophy on god or the nature of our universe. Or they're just trying to be dicks to christians.
>>59837799 Look, just because I'm saying that Libertarianism has some really retarded and naive viewpoints doesn't mean that I'm in any way defending the way things are currently done. I'm not shilling for the status quo.
>And, if you subscribe to the "manmade CO2 causes climate change" I do not.
Human CO2 production may have a minuscule effect on the climate, I'm no scientist, but even an uneducated layman can see that climate change was happening, in extreme ways, long before the industrial revolution.
>(not judging you either way here) You should be judging, people who think it's all due to what humans are doing should be declared mentally retarded.
>>59837799 >Love Canal >Love Canal became the subject of national and international attention after it was revealed in the press that the site had formerly been used to bury 22,000 tons of toxic waste by Hooker Chemical Company (now Occidental Petroleum Corporation). >Hooker Chemical Company (now Occidental Petroleum Corporation).
Sure, let's just take Ron Paul at his word here. I mean, of course he's being objective and impartial, it's not like his own son is running for President, RIGHT?
Donald Trump is the only candidate who has pledged to build a wall on our southern border and deport tens of millions of illegal aliens and every last muslim refugee Obama brings over. If he does nothing else, he will have singlehandedly done more for the white race in America than any President in the last half-century.
I consider myself a libertarian on most issues, supported Ron Paul back in the day, voted for and donated to Bob Barr, etc.
But most libertarians, especially the big "L" ones, have their heads so far up their asses they become nothing more than irrelevant crying children on the sidelines (see Rand Paul).
They fail to see the bigger system--that appeals to logic and reason are mostly pointless in a democracy. Look at what Obama ran on, "Hope and Change". That's what gets elected, base attitudes.
Trump's populist message is, quite frankly, the most democratic we've seen in decades. He appeals to the electorate, despite the maligning of everyone in the mainstream media, establishment politics, and utter dismissal by every other person. These same people are adamant supporters of democracy, and a Trump victory will make many of them rethink whether it's a system worth continuing with. Especially if Trump ends up being a colossal failure.
Libertarianism isn't likely to succeed politically under our current democratic system, so we need to replace it with something more thoughtful. So even if Trump is a failure, we might be making ground.
>>59827006 >Calls Trump supporters stupid for subscribing to a candidate that uses the word stupid. >uses "unintelligent" in order to distance himself from using the same inflammatory sentiment. >Unaware that Trump is using verbal queues to rally a base that has been shit on for decades now. These queues are vehicles for the passion and anger that has built up. >Thinks using a certain set of words are a "make and break" on a candidacy, regardless of the brilliance of using his opposed words.
Look kid, you're not as smart as you think you are. You've essentially divided the political spectrum into people who offer free shit and Donald Trump. Citation needed on the entire other half of what successful candidates are regarding "The ones that talk shit". Other than Donald Trump.
If you don't think John Quincy Adams and Andrew Jackson didn't shit all over each other in the worst derogatory ways, you don't know shit about shit. Turn off the Mike Judge movies, and study some history.
>>59824373 Libertarianism was a fun idea back in the Bush years and through 2012 before we really saw the madness of liberalism. Back when I supported Ron Paul I'd never heard of the fat acceptance movement, trannies were ignored, and you could refuse to bake a gay wedding cake without violating federal law. There is no way we can "live and let live" with these people, the very idea of others with beliefs outside of their own drives them into a violent rage.
>>59838273 >You should be judging, people who think it's all due to what humans are doing should be declared mentally retarded.
This is not the thread for it. For what it's worth, and owing to my years in science, I agree with you fully. To blame climate change mostly on humans is to literally ignore the absolutely insane changes in global climate that have been shown to have occurred long before fossil fuels and human industry were things.
Science proves climate change happens and it proves humans are not a major cause.
>>59838702 You need to reread that article, son. >Hooker Chemical involuntarily sold the site to the Niagara Falls School Board in 1953 for $1, with a deed detailing the presence of dangerous chemical wastes and including a liability limitation clause about the contamination. Long after having taken control of the land the School Board proceeded to have it developed, including construction activity that substantially breached containment structures in a number of ways, allowing previously trapped chemicals to seep out. The resulting breaches combined with particularly heavy rainstorms released and spread the chemical waste, leading to a public health emergency and an urban planning scandal. In what became a test case for liability clauses, Hooker Chemical was found to be "negligent" in their disposal of waste School boards are government entities. The dump site was finished and sealed by the company, but the city of Niagara wanted land and took the site using eminent domain. Hooker did not wanna sell and knew they were going to be blamed when the inevitable happened, so they did everything possibly to keep their hands clean. Taking only dollar for the property for example so as not to appear like the got rich off the deal they were forced into.
>>59838233 Seriously. Far too many people don't realize that they subscribe to the philosophy of Science and cannot respect the fact that theirs isn't the only way of approaching the nature of reality. Plus, they follow their pseudo-religion with as much fervor as a fundie.
>>59839422 Because he offends the sensibilities of the mainstream media. From what I've read about him he hasn't said anything particularly extreme. Securing your borders by building a wall is actually a very sensible idea.
>>59839202 >Unaware that Trump is using verbal queues to rally a base that has been shit on for decades now. These queues are vehicles for the passion and anger that has built up. Oh I am well aware. Otherwise I wouldn't have made that post, genius. The fact that I made that post proves I'm aware of this.
If you missed that much, you too prove my point emphatically. Someone who thinks I'm "unaware that Trump is using verbal queues to rally a base" after reading that post really has NO BUSINESS WHATSOEVER making critical political decisions(voting).
Trump is after glory. He's using a vulnerable and gullible group of citizens to get it. It's plainly obvious to anyone who's male, older than 25, and has the ability to plan things using forethought, as anyone that knows how to seriously plan or see cause-effect relationships would recognize Trump's plan for his future. It's ridiculously obvious. The fact that so many older white men are falling for it is frightening. I'd expect it from women, children, young adults, and brown people.
I blame the modern education systems of the west. They don't teach thinking outside of the box, or how to predict outcomes, or how to truly critique ideas and people. Because THAT would make citizens unwilling to comply with the very VERY obvious screwing they're getting by those they elect and their lackeys.
>>59839282 It's interesting, but it needs to be studied carefully. I'm a huge fan of developing nanomachines however. There's your cure for cancer and other diseases.
>>59839892 >That sounds like hardcore autism Legit autism prevents you from functioning in a meaningful life. The "autism" you speak of isn't autism. It's intelligence and true common sense and modern society hates it, so it's been labeled with this negative connotation to get society in general to become unwilling to take seriously those few who still THINK and reason, if not act outright hostile to the supposed "autists". The same type of thing was done with ADD/ADHD, which was used to attack normal child behaviors(particularly in boys) to break the minds of kids(especially boys) before the mind is able to set itself in stone. If the mind cannot be broken down, the child is instead placed in "special ed" which essentially makes him a pariah to his "normal" peers and kills any chance his unbreakable mind will be able to influence others. It's all a devious play in psychology. The mechanics of it were learned after Freudian psych took off and psychoanalysts learned how the human mind works in the individual and the collective.
Again, all of this is blatantly obvious to anyone who can plan things and see cause-effect. When your brain has been taught to utilize those skills properly you see all sorts of very obvious shit that everyone else seems blissfully unaware of.
>Legit autism prevents you from functioning in a meaningful life. The "autism" you speak of isn't autism. It's intelligence and true common sense and modern society hates it, so it's been labeled with this negative connotation to get society in general to become unwilling to take seriously those few who still THINK and reason, if not act outright hostile to the supposed "autists". The same type of thing was done with ADD/ADHD, which was used to attack normal child behaviors(particularly in boys) to break the minds of kids(especially boys) before the mind is able to set itself in stone. If the mind cannot be broken down, the child is instead placed in "special ed" which essentially makes him a pariah to his "normal" peers and kills any chance his unbreakable mind will be able to influence others. It's all a devious play in psychology. The mechanics of it were learned after Freudian psych took off and psychoanalysts learned how the human mind works in the individual and the collective.
Dude, I think you just need to get laid.
Vote for this man though. I don't give a fuck about his "verbal cues" but Trump is going to deport millions of shitskins back where they came from. Even if he's "after the glory" or whatever blovations you assert, this sort of strict immigration control alone will be a major step forward in cleaning up our country.
>>59824997 Damn, how could anyone disagree with this quote from Ron Paul? What /pol/, suddenly you're down for sucking authoritarian dick for the rest of your life? We need leaders who understand that the government is not put in place to regulate us, but to protect those unalienable rights that we all have. Anyone who disagrees with this quote should go to a nice Muslim country, where the government tells you exactly what to do. Sounds wonderful, right?
Libertarianism is wonderful in theory but it has no defense mechanism. Small government will always be co-opted by kikes, they currently have opened our borders and are flooding this nation with millions of shitskins.
We won't have anymore "unalienable rights" when lolbertarian wackos like Ron Paul allow the native white population to be completely displaced by shitskins, who will happily vote in sharia law or whatever the jew-controlled government tells them to because they're so dependent on government welfare. Only with a powerful government that defends our borders and protects us from being plundered by kikes can we truly be free as a nation.
>>59841565 I'm trying to imagine politicians saying these. >"You" were born free. >"You" have a right to keep the fruits of your labor. >"You" will have a wall built on the Mexican border. >"You" will be guaranteed women's rights >"You" will see increased taxes from the rich. They sound like fake insurance salesmen in my mind, even if the stuff they're saying might actually be true.
>>59841174 >Dude, I think you just need to get laid. ...I do. Quite a bit.
I'm telling you fools what's going on here. The people in control are experts at pushing your buttons and controlling your opinions. They know the science of psychology and they know how social trends and collective trends work completely.
They're as intelligent as anyone with the added statistic of being very selfish, having feel of being gods, and are quite sociopathic. According to modern psychology, they're all very mentally ill, but because they hold the power, and the money, ain't a damn thing anyone can do to put them where they belong - wrapped in straight jackets in sanitariums.
These guys have so much power and are so untouchable, they can dispose of thousands of first-world citizens in an instant if they see a benefit. And the ONLY people that become President of the US anymore are those who the power players allow to be in power. The PotUS has a huge amount of symbolic power that the citizenry respects, so the only people that have access to that power are those who will play ball and benefit the controllers.
There's too much money, too much military, and too many nuclear weapons in play to let lower and middle-class people have an actual say over them. Do you honestly believe that John Q. Public is allowed to have an actual say in shit like TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS, the world's most advanced and powerful military force, and 1,900 active nuclear warheads?
Come on man. If I was a narcissistic vastly wealthy sociopath in a position of control over world politics and international banking, I would never let a typical American, Canadian, British, German, French, Australian, etc voter/citizen have an actual say in the business. After all, I think I'm a god. I can have people killed at my leisure, I can have children kidnapped and brought to me as sex slaves then have them disposed of, and I can start wars pretty much anywhere that's economically in my benefit.
>>59829184 >excessive hubris >yes goyim, do not uphold intelligence and rationality! do not stand up for yourself! the meek shall inherit the world! Nice Jewish slave morality buddy. Go ahead and ready your hat pictures.
>>59842269 Don't like any of them. One thing, the one thing I like about Trump, is how much he pisses of leftists and cuckservatives mutually.
I love a good troll for fun. Leftists and neocons are garbage and destructive to humanity. So when they get angry, I get satisfaction in knowing their lives are that much less enjoyable, owing to the god awful shit they've enabled over the last century.
I'd vote Ron in a heartbeat since he's known for voting NO on more bullshit laws than voting yes, his voting record in congress matches his political beliefs perfectly, and because he's humble without being cowardly and feminine and doesn't act at all like an asshole. And he's legit concerned for his fellow Americans. And he's properly educated.
Rand flips too much and is too ambiguous for my liking.
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