So while you were all talking about whatever gay shit you we

Obligatory bump, because the president is literally going to violate the Constitution next week.

>>59823913
Based. Absolutely based.

Based abbot

>>59823913
I'm not really seeing a problem with background checks and forcing people to be properly licensed.

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>>59823913
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>>59823913

Start filling sandbags.

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>>59823913
surely my governor did the same, right senpai?

>>59824643
You don't see... any problem whatsoever... with the president unilaterally EOing against your constitutional rights?

I think it's time we go look up the word 'precedent' again.

>>59823913
he can't do shit. and he knows it. it is all just clickbait news articles.

obambo has very little he can actually do with executive action concerning gun control, and he has already done most of it.

even what you posted, as tame as it is, isn't actually doable. the reason free citizens can sell guns at gun shows is that they have no shop. the internet thing is maybe doable, but oh shit, its not like you can set up multiple po boxes and multiple emails.

all in all nothing will change. because obama cannot change gun laws.

>>59824643

It's a rather disingenuous way to block private sales. A guy who literally sells one gun a year will would have to get a dealer's license, in some versions of the proposed plan.

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>>59824643
there are already background checks.
there are already licenses.

This is a cover to promote full gun sanctions in America.

>>59824758
you are underestimating wheelchair grandpa and texas

Based Texan Hotwheels

>>59824643
the way the law is written is such that gun sellers are those whose livelihood depends on the selling of firearms/ primary source of income stems from selling firearms. It is these people who must be licensed and run background checks on potential firearm buyers.

Your uncle who wants to sell you a gun or some good old boy setting up a table at a gun show do not fit into the above definition as passed by congress.

As such, it would be extra-legal and therefor unconstitutional for our President to decree an eo as the ones he's planning.

>>59824758
>the reason free citizens can sell guns at gun shows is that they have no shop
That's the whole point. He's trying to shut down everyone WITHOUT an FFL, which is actually a massive form of gun control. So even buying a Lego block Ruger would have to go through an expensive middle-man who puts your name in a government database.

It is inherently better if the government is kept in the dark about what people have.

>>59823913
Is that a joint in the picture?

>>59825060
>Canada

Every time.

>>59823913

that fucking governor seems so based with that tweet holy shit

>tfw the only tweets christie makes are about how much he'd love to impose a totalitarian dictatorship with him as a leader

>>59823913
Is that a bread roller?

>>59824643

Then you're a halfwit.

You should probably consider not voting and maybe voluntary commitment.

>>59825060
DUDE

>>59825207
Fuck the Donut Demagogue. Fat faggot wants to start WW3.

>>59825060
WEED

>>59825054
but he cannot do it. if you want to set up a table at a gun show that is your fucking business. if selling your collection of guns is not your primary source of income he cannot touch you. this is set in fucking stone legal precedence from the god damned supreme court.

he can pass all the executive actions he wants. what OP is bitching about is not doable. it will be fought in the courts and will be overturned on precedence. private citizens are allowed to trade guns.

>tfw Texan but nogun
Everyone says I should get one but fuck they just seem like a hassle to me.
>have to go to a place a pay hundreds of dollars just to get one
>bullets are expensive and you have to waste a ton of them just to learn how to shoot
>even way more bull shit to deal with if you want to register it and cc
All for something that you would hope you never have to use, and if I do end up in a situation where I need to use it, I'll either end up dead or in trouble.
Like I'm all about gun rights and shit but they seem like such a pain in the ass.

>>59825441
he can issue an executive order
but you're right, within a week it'll be challenged and found unconstitutional

Its the outright audacity that he'd waste everyone's time with it that has me bothered

>>59825615
Don't worry sheep.

There are enough wolf dogs in Texas so that you don't need to learn

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>>59825305

I've seen him actually come out and and speak warmly of drug addicts and saying they shouldn't be punished just because of what they've gone through and don't 'deserve' it just as nobody says his mother 'deserved' dying from lung cancer from cigarettes.

>mfw nj drug laws

He's almost hillary tier in terms of saying what needs to be said to get a vote.

>>59825615

>All for something that you would hope you never have to use, and if I do end up in a situation where I need to use it, I'll either end up dead or in trouble.

Defending yourself against someone who breaks into your home would get you in trouble? In Texas?

>>59825441
>but he cannot do it. if you want to set up a table at a gun show that is your fucking business.
He is literally doing it. That's what this EO is.

When he issues it, your local law enforcement will have to determine if they'll actually enforce it. If you live in a big city, they probably will, because the ATF will if they don't. So gun shows will effectively cease to be while a suit gets sent through the glacially slow court system with every roadblock imaginable being thrown in front of it before it reaches the Supreme Court.

> if selling your collection of guns is not your primary source of income he cannot touch you. this is set in fucking stone legal precedence from the god damned supreme court.
The Supreme Court will have to strike down this particular EO. But you act like Obama gives a fuck what the Supreme Court says. This isn't the first time he's gone around the laws nor had an EO struck down. And while this one WILL get struck down, you're looking at an intentional fucking-with gun sellers for a period of probably three years, which will be sufficient to destroy a substantial chunk of the private industry.

To put it bluntly:
This is bureaucracy intended to drive people out of business. They can't overturn 2A, so they just go around it. It's exactly like when Obama was trying to legislate against BULLETS via the EPA, because of the lead content.

>>59825809

He literally has no power to do it.

If he did, he wouldn't have waited seven fucking years to do it.

>>59825615
Fellow texan. It really isn't that bad. Takes a while to get the permit but then you're good for several years. If you don't know how to shoot the nice folks at the permit class will teach you how to properly shoot so you won't have any bad habits.

Definitively worth it.

>>59824643

It just to skirt around america's real problem

>Libs
>Nigs and spics are peace loving people
>We gonna take dat gun away
>Nigs and spics didn't get their guns legally anyway
>Violence remains the same

Glad to see people finally paying attention to this on here.

>>59824643
The problem is that it's being done by executive mandate and not by a legislative vote.

This is antidemocratic. Obama is literally playing dictator.

>>59825809
executive orders have limits.
pretty narrow ones, in this case.

>>59823913
I've been wondering lately, what if Obama tried to confiscate guns in a place like Detroit or Memphis? Would they give them up because "Obama a true brotha, he got me a cellphone hawhaw" or would they fight back to keep them?

>>59825928
Hope you're right. I have a feeling most people will not respect this "law" anyway, but it's the sheer audacity of this fucker, the Democrats, George Soros, Bloomberg, and that whole Leftist establishment that absolutely blows me away.

They actually think they are above the law, that they craft the law at will, and that the law only applies to you, the plebs.

I can't think of a more evil group of people, except for maybe the establishment in Sweden.

>>59826084
they'd lie about owning any guns while supporting the removal of other people's guns.

you think obama-phone dindus have legally purchased guns that can be tracked to them?

>>59826084
They would break the law for them like they do right now.

Reminder: EOs aren't laws.

>>59823913
Holy shit go Texas go! We'll stand with you bros!

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I don't know about gun laws revolving around sale of guns. Aren't all gun stores throughout the US required to have background checks already or is that just the case in most states?

Please answer

>>59826655
Most dealers are required I think. No restriction on private sales, I could probably buy any legal rifle in the US online without a check.

>>59823913
>tfw live in commiefornia
We have a law like this here all private transactions have to go through a ffl and all long rifles and pistols must be registered

>>59826655

That's federal law.

>>59826655
It depends on the state and the weapon in question. In Florida, you can buy a shotgun or rifle immediately, but you have to do a background check and 3 day waiting period for a pistol. Why? Because common fucking sense. Pistols are used overwhelmingly (by blacks) to commit crime.

This is why the "GUNSHOW LOOOOOOOOOPHOLE!!!!! (boo!)" is such a fucking joke.

Buying a rifle from a private citizen is no different than buying it from a store when there's already no background check for it. So this EO is explicitly to shut down private sellers and force every store and seller to have an FFL.

For those that don't know: 40% of gun sales are through private sellers. Obama wants to eliminate 40% of the market. Do you understand why this is a big deal, now?

>>59825615
>>tfw Texan but nogun
>Everyone says I should get one but fuck they just seem like a hassle to me.
>>have to go to a place a pay hundreds of dollars just to get one

you can build your own too.

>>bullets are expensive and you have to waste a ton of them just to learn how to shoot

you can make your own bro. learning how to shoot is not wasting the ammo. dry fire practice is free forever.

>>even way more bull shit to deal with if you want to register it and cc

you dont need to register it. the gun shop checks if you are prohibited from purchase and if not you are walk out the store with it. ccw class is fun and you get to learn a lot.

>All for something that you would hope you never have to use, and if I do end up in a situation where I need to use it, I'll either end up dead or in trouble.

no one hopes to have to use it but they train to be ready to do so if needed. thats a part of what "being a man" and a "responsible citizen" is all about.

oh but guaranteed you will end up dead eventually. it is probably for the best if it happens without you breeding because frankly your attitude sucks.

>Like I'm all about gun rights and shit but they seem like such a pain in the ass.

just wait until certain people try to take them away and you need to use them.

>>59826655

All licensed gun dealers are required to run background checks.

>>59827066

That's a lie. By law FFLs must run background checks on ALL firearm purchases.

I repeat, this is FEDERAL LAW.

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>thread full of dipshits talking about gun laws like they know them but they actually don't

>>59827194
he is just retarded and doesn't realize they are doing it.

i have had many checks run on me through the years. they take about 2 minutes. the guy takes my paperwork, verifies it is correct, then calls the fbi and gives them my social. he waits a little while and they tell him i'm ok.

mandatory waiting laws are state by state and that is what he thinks is a background check.

So America is basically turning into a Canada

>>59824643
This is what i thought

>>59825993
>>59824801
You see now i see the problem, thanks. Fuck i just had a family i dont wanna shtf =(

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>>59827194
After some googling I think I get the current laws.

People defined as engaging in the business of selling guns are required by federal law to have background checks. The definition of engaged in business doesn't apply to people casually selling a gun to their nephew or some shit, and Obongo wants to stop that "loophole" of private sellers. Is that the situation?

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IT'S ABOUT TIME WE IMPLEMENTED COMMON SENSE GUN LAWS! I MEAN, DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT YEAR IT IS?!?!?

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>>59827298

Seems like most of us do, actually. Thanks for the contribution of nothing, though.

>>59827600

Seems like, yes.

>>59827600
You're oversimplifying it and I don't know how this is so hard to understand. It's not just background checks. "Engaged in the business of firearms with intent to earn a livelihood" subjects that person, per the Gun Control Act of 1968, to be required to hold a Federal Firearms License.

There are many conditions that come with that license and performing a background check is only one of them. There are business requirements. There are record keeping requirements. Holding an FFL gives the ATF the right to search your premises at any time without any warning and without a warrant.

If Oboombox EOs the change of people required to hold an FFL from "engaged in business to "anyone that sells more than 1 gun a month" that would halt a lot of private sales.

>>59827847
Kill yourself faggot. I do this for a living.

>>59827600
Pretty much. Private sales are exempt from requiring background checks and the Universal Background Check laws seek to change that. In, I think, Washington, it's illegal to pass your firearm to a friend for them to inspect without a background check, and then you need one when they pass it back.

>>59823913
So. Should I stock up on 7.62×39 this week?

>>59824643

And how do you think private gun sales happen? Checking secondary markets is redundant.

>>59828000

stock up on everything. all we can hope is that Tump comes out this week with a promise to reverse whatever obummer does.

>>59827892
How am I oversimplifying it? I just didn't state the implications and duties of someone who is required to have a license. I'm by no means in support of Obama's proposed legislation, I just didn't get the situation. Thanks though man. Advise for first handgun?

>>59823913
while i agree that america should have some kind of gun control, it needs to be natural and people need to agree. the government going house to house and forcing people to give up their guns is fascism.

where are antifa now? oh wait, that's right. they support fascism by the left wing.

don't forget guys, socialism is left wing fascism.

>>59826084
They'd support because it would mean their intended targets (ie white middle class people) would actually hand theirs in.

>>59828095
Is it the first gun ever? Do you have a style preference? If you go on /k/ they're all about high speed low drag and have to be 100% efficient for all that operating they won't be doing.

You like history and old fashioned look and a "full powered" caliber there's the 1911 in .45ACP. You like revolvers for the style and craftsmanship, Smith & Wesson's been making the Model 10 for around a century in 38 special. You want utilitarian and a vast aftermarket, there's Glocks in all calibers.

>>59824977
All background checks are unconstitutional

>>59826795
No you must have it shipped to an ffl who then background checks you.

Gun shows and private transactions are the only ways to buy guns sans bc.

>>59827892

You call people faggots for a living?

>>59828419
Nice comeback Adam Sandler

I went to a sporting goods store today. They had no semi autos for sale. Fudds that toe the PC line piss me off more than nogunz.

>>59828315
Glock 20 nihga

>>59828324

Gun shows have no special rules regarding background checks.

>>59828446

It was, wasn't it? :)

>>59828513
Depending on the shows
In Oregon the shows that Collectors West runs require that you do any and all sales on the show floor inside the complex and that you do a background check regardless of whether it's a private sale or not

>>59828513
I think he's talking about someone who isn't a FFL setting up a table at a gunshow in order to sell their collection.

>>59828513
There are a few states that have special regulations involving gun shows to close that ebil gun show loophole. However since the average gun show is 98% FFL holders these days it's complete bread and circus legislation.

Oregon did but since they banned all private sales last year it's a moot point.

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>>59828315
if i was going to get a handgun i'd get something that looks like a taurus 617 because i am a fan of old detective movies and always liked the look of the smaller revolvers.
i don't know how practical they are.

I need more 5.45 for them to come take to the chest.

>>59828595
>>59828689

Fair enough, poor wording on my part. As Strayabro noted, I rather meant that there's no special dispensation for selling at gun shows without background checks...dealers still run checks, private sellers don't (in states where this hasn't been banned).

I really hate the media use of "gun show loophole," suggesting that gun shows are free-for-alls where there's no accountability by nature of the venue.

>>59828784

good luck

it's expensive as shit since they banned surplus import

>>59828750

I had a .38 almost just like that, save it was hammerless. It was fun.

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>>59828750
Taurus is shit. This is the classic police sidearm of the 20th century american cop up until the late 1980s in many parts of the country. It's the Stainless Steel version of the Model 10, was a Sergeant's sidearm. It's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot, dead accurate.

>>59828888

its cheaper then 762x39 still http://gun-deals.com/list/ammo/5.45x39

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>>59828888
Non corrosive is the same price as 7.62x39 and I see surplus for the same price.

>>59828095
Smith & Wesson , berretta, glock or Springfield xd

If you're a little bit wealthier sig walther fn or h&k

Lower end is ruger taurus or hipoint. None of them are bad.

Get a striker fired or single/double action hammer fire semiautomatic with at least 15+1.


I would recommend Walther ppq or hk vp9.

I have a vp9 and it is the absolute tits.

>>59823913
>believing that the president or anyone can violate a constitutional amendment without a state referendum.

You'll know if people are well and truly trying to take/ban guns, because to do so legally with inarguable language would require a removal of the 2nd amendment.

also,
>proposals
nothing to see here.

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>>59825060
I thought this as well.

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>>59829020

>S&W

my niggah

>>59828513
Anyone with an ffl selling at a show does bc yes. There are some private sales at shows though.

>>59829217
I love them but I will never buy any made after ~2000 with the gay little locks in them. Fuck that. Ruins the look and it's just the principle of the thing.

And AFAIK S&W has locks in every one of their new wheel guns except for like one model line I believe.

there's literally nothing Obama can do to stop gun violence

aside from maybe tell his criminal thug Loretta Sharpton to stop having the Federal Government illegally sell guns to mexican cartels and ISIS under the table. oh, wait, he won't do that, because he's an utter hypocrite.

>>59829157
It's actually a flag from the Republic of Texas when Santa Anna demanded they surrender and turn over a fortress with a very large cannon.

>>59829281

Yes, but private sales don't dispense with background checks by virtue of being at a gun show. The gun show is incidental to the lack of background check.

Well great, I'm sure this will make west Baltimore, Chicago, and Atlanta crime free paradises on Earth.

>>59829363
and they fuck up the import market

>>59825721
I wasn't born in Texas, but after visiting there I wish I were. Great state, great people.

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>>59829376
That's bullshit.

It was the town of Gonzales and the cannon was tiny.

>>59824643
Nobody saw a problem with gun registration in jew york until they starting increasing the gun legislation bit by bit.

Remember, if you let a guy put just the tip in you're gonna end up getting fucked.

>>59828095
You shoot much? If not i'd say look into a reasonably priced .38 or .22 revolver. Its great to learn with, they don't break down and ammo is cheap and plentiful. I'd lean more towards a .38, odds are you will be able to handle its kick, and the cartridge is more likely to inflict a fatal wound should you have a need to defend yourself.

If you want a semi auto, i've never run into a problem with my 1911. Its a reliable model, and a .45 acp round will almost certainly kill a person.

You have 20 seconds to explain why the founding fathers intended for one infant every day to die from or kill someone with a gun, and why common sense gun legislation like a nationwide register, secure storage, and licences violate the Constitution

>>59830181
>freedom

>>59825060
>DUDE WEED LMAO
I believe it's supposed to be a cannon

>>59830181

if an infant died a day to guns thats still only 365. You really think that 365 people are enough to supersede the rights of 318 million? You're a moron.

>>59830329
nvm,
>>59829817
>>59829376
beat me to it

>>59830181
It isn't even about what the founding fathers did or didn't want. They didn't express any intent to limit civilian ownership of firearms. It violates the constitution because the right to keep and bear arms is deemed fundamental and shall not be infringed upon. Requiring owners to get a license to own them infringes on our rights by its very nature, since licenses can be denied.

>>59830368
Obama's running on "JUST ONE LIFE" right now, which is insane.

Hundreds of millions of Americans and you're willing to violate the liberties of all of them for just one life? Nothing but kind tyranny.

>>59829217
>44 mag
good god

>>59830461
Ban muslims
JUST ONE LIFE

>>59829217
Its ruger but my friend has a super blackhawk. .44 mag is such an amazing caliber to shoot good god.

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>>59825721
Wow.. that's just.. priceless. Wolf...dogs. Are those like sheep dogs that herd wolves? Or are they wolves that want to be dogs? Wolf.. dogs...

>>59830442

How do we explain exceptions then? Insane people and convicts shouldn't have guns.

>Republicans governors, judges, and congressmen ignore this like the refugee bullshit
>executive orders become meaningless

>>59823913
>The president will meet Monday with Attorney General Loretta E. Lynch

Isn't that the literal cunt that wants to jail people for racism?

Civil war part two?

>>59824643
It's literally doing nothing but blocking private sales.
Which is practically the same as buying it from the shop, since you have to bring it to an FFL for transfer for even private sales.
The real aim of this is to stop the spread of gun ownership by targeting second hand sales.

>>59823913
Supreme Court isn't going to let this shit pass

The cuck will probably just enforce current laws

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>>59823913
>tfw live on border
>tfw I can just border hop to escape Obongo

>>59830181

Because we have fought for the liberty to have self determination. We are given the opportunity to be model citizens without the burden of a nanny state impeding our actions. Niggers and morons give authoritarian sociopaths the leverage they want to try and take away our liberty. You are just one of their cuck followers and you don't have the dignity to choose your own path

>>59830656
Well, ideally no they shouldn't, but an utterly literal word for word interpretation would say that yes they should.

Honestly I don't mind closing the gun show loopholes so Ahmed and Farid can't easily get guns and jihad a mall or something.

>>59830749
yep and she was personally brought in to replace Eric Holder by Obama after Holder became to reviled to continue.

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2ND CONFEDERACY WHEN!!!!

>>59830981

Can't we just use the 14th amendment as rationale?

>>59830878
Yeah because I'm really going to put my neighbor through a background check Before selling him a gun

>>59830981
Ahmid and Fahrid have no prior convictions, just like spree shooters don't.

It doesn't do a fucking thing.

>>59830940
Lucky bastard. I'm actually about to move into the mountains and will need a gun but wont get one because of the new laws that came into effect earlier today.
I'll just go to Arizona armslist and chill

>>59830181

How do any of those suggestions reduce infants accidentally killing someone?

Why did you feel the need to exaggerate the number of children killing someone accidentally by several orders of magnitude?

>>59825615
>getting in trouble for shooting someone
>in the most glorious state to not acede to the union ever
Its legal if they are on your property, or otherwise threatening you.
But since Texans are nice, until someone gets past the 100 degree summers, with no wind and 80% humidity, along with the beautiful stickerburs, to actually attack Texas that wont really be too needed.

>>59829865
this

we're counting on you america. dont fall to these communist scum

>>59831210
Yeah, but they might not have a visa, which would stop them.

Ideally i'd say just shoot all the mudslimes summarily, but I don't think that'd fly in the current political climate.

>>59823913
>One of the main proposals Obama is poised to adopt would require some unlicensed gun dealers to get licenses and conduct background checks on potential buyers. The change is aimed at informal dealers, such as those who sell online frequently or rent tables at gun shows but do not have a storefront.
So literally nothing will change and Obama isn't taking guns. Unimportant, but both sides will rattle their sables, it'll pass, and no one will give a shit in five years.

>>59830940
>flee from the most gun friendly country (even if Obummer's laws pass) to very restrictive anti-gun countries North or South.

>>59831317

70% of the country could want to repeal the second amendment and it still wouldn't fly. The founding fathers were wise to dislike democracy and the tyranny of the majority

>>59825615
Are you a Commiefornia Transplant living in Austin? That's ok, there's plenty of real men in Texas that enjoy the responsibility or enjoying their Constitutional Rights.

>>59823913
reasonable compromise on gun control:
it's illegal for blacks, hispanics, and all muslims of any ethnicity to own guns.

thats it.

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>>59823913
Makes me even prouder to live in Texas. Could our governor be any more based?

>>59831464
This is just the beginning. He'll slip something by, always does.

It's aimed at DC lobbying. With Obama, it's his own selfish needs first.

>>59831317

It's not happening. Sure, a few states have passed some retarded laws. They passed a universal background check law in Washington, some sheriffs publicly announced that it was unenforceable and they weren't even going to try.

Even in Jew York they had a single digit compliance rate on their registration scheme. They went back after the fact and claimed that there were a third of the number of guns in the state than previously estimated so they could get it up into the double digits.

Gun control is pretty well dead in the US. There's a few liberal holdouts who haven't gotten the memo.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG7qoGAYajM

>dat jewess with the deer in the headlights look in the background

>>59831663

That's not how rattlesnakes work.

>liberal cuck weenies in charge of symbolism

>>59831581
70% might get it done, actually.

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WHY DO WE NEED GUNS LIKE AR'S AND HIGH POWERED RIFLES
>to fight back from our government
THEY HAVE D R O N E S
>it won't do anything!
the aussies tried it, and it worked, it was in there constitution to. now an ar costs around 22,000$
W E D O N T N E E D A R ' S

>>59831725

You look as retarded as any other gun grabber when you suggest this shit.

Criminals don't obey laws.

> "Looking only to official criminal records, data over the past thirty years consistently show that the mythology of murderers as ordinary citizens does not hold true. Studies have found that approximately 75% of murderers have adult criminal records, and that murderers average a prior adult criminal career of six years, including four major adult felony arrests. These studies also found that when the murder occurred "[a]bout 11% of murder arrestees [were] actually on pre-trial release"--that is, they were awaiting trial for another offense."

>"The fact that only 75% of murderers have adult crime records should not be misunderstood as implying that the remaining 25% of murderers are non-criminals. The reason over half of those 25% of murderers don't have adult records is that they are juveniles. Thus, by definition they cannot have an adult criminal record."

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvmurd.html

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>>59823913

Will that anti-American communist nigger traitor ban the sale of AK47's? eg: the WASR from Atlantic Firearms?

If so I need to start stocking up.

Want a Micro Draco for my car.


Can't imagine a better weapon to have in my car to protect myself from that shit colored nigger traitor's "refugees" he imported into my state by the boatloads.

>"Purchase this $500 napkin, with free gun!"

>>59831650

I moved to Austin from California. I wrote this >>59827078 anything else to add?

GOD BLESS ABBOTT

Holy shit I have a freedom boner just seeing that tweet. Knowing that my governor is as pro gun as he is makes me smile while being surrounded by liberal pussies that are infesting Texas from commiefornia. Guess what? We don't want your bullshit laws and you are not ever gonna succeed in making us give up our guns. Fucking based Abbott.

>>59831814
This. Although I jack off to the thought of them trying, and I have special magazines for such a purpose that cut through plates like butter.

>>59831882
Who gives a shit about need dude? I own an AK because I want to own an ak, I don't care what some faggot SJW lib fuck says about need or not. The law says I can have one, it doesn't require circumstances to have one, so I don't need a reason to have one. Let them flap their cum guzzlers all day about how theres no reason to own one, because it doesn't fucking matter.

>>59831923
Aww it's cute

>>59831814

Gives me a little more respect for my state.

>>59823913
Lel remember when that feminist bitch Wendy Davis and all her supporters promised they were about to turn texas blue and then she won like 1 county in the entire state?

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>>59832051
You don't understand pham. There are hundreds of mass shootings. I can go into a walmart, buy a semi-auto 20 round killing machine, and kill 8-9 people in my high school class.

>>59831839

3/4 or 75% of the states are required. Guess I drummed up too close of a number, causing skepticism.

>>59832133

NJ is a gold mine for great hearings at the legislature videos.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=79o2zDv7WuA

>>59824977
lel, since when did Obongo give a fuck about the Constitution?
He's a constitutional law professor.

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>>59830181
>common sense gun legislation
>common sense

>>59823913
flag looks like an erect black cock and the star like a puckered anus

>Close the gun show loophole

Oh you mean the thing that doesn't exist?

>>59832259
Yeah but the most important thing is, would you hurt anybody's feelings while you were shooting up walmart? After all, the only thing worse than a nigger dying is a nigger being called a nigger.

>>59832259
... but you wont because you're white. The problem is not everyone is white. Niggers, beaners, and sandniggers need to be stopped. Arming the white man prevents the deaths of white men.

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molon labe jig

your legacy is a meme presidency with the ugliest first family and utter failure on every policy you promised your limpwristed starbucks demographic. liberals hate you. conservatives hate you. our generals hate you. congress thinks you're a faggot. schoolchildren everywhere curse your wife's name daily. you stammer like a child delivering a book report. you sucked cocks and did coke in the 80s and a turbo pedophile is your vice president. eat fucking shit.

>>59823913
>unlicensed gun dealers
I see no issue with this

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>>59825615
>Like I'm all about gun rights and shit but they seem like such a pain in the ass.

Are you fucking retarded?

It's literally:
>not be a felon
>have $200 USD
>walk into store, point at cheapest shotgun or HiPoint behind counter
>1 page of paper work
>extra 25$ for a hundred rounds of ammo
>walk out

Then go to a range/countryside, shoot 50 rounds of ammo to familiarize yourself with the gun, and BOOM, you're a half-decent gun owner!

>>59832525
Then get a low capacity self defense weapon, like a revolver, and not an Assault rifle, used for... you know, assaulting?

>>59832445
I'm talking about shooting up a school. And godamn was that shit edgy, do you browse 4chin XD :^D

>>59825791
>in Texas?

Nope, but that's how you know the shill isn't from Texas...he's from Austin

>>59832343

That video made me feel fuzzy, but when you think about it, it shows you can only open your mouth for freedom for one minute before you're forcibly ejected from the room in the soviet republic of Jersey.

Really such a fucking shame.

>>59823913

Okay I'm sure Pedro on my cities street corner won't mind not running a background check on me. Hell he will even sell it to me half off and throw in a joint.

What does this fucking solve? Go after the criminals smuggling the fucking guns in! Then tighten the background checks.

Why? Why are people so fucking retarded?

>>59832647
underage please go

>>59832297
70% popular support could result in control of 3/4ths of state legislatures, though.

i'm not seeing what sort of vote it requires for an amendment to be ratified, if it's a simple majority or if it requires more, but either way, 70% popular support could result in 3/4ths of legislatures being sufficiently controlled.

but, when popular support was in the 50 percentiles they still only controlled a third of the states, because popular support was so localized.

>>59832647

wew lad

>>59823913

Good for Obama. As for cannons, he can take out from the sky.

>>59825615
Didn't you have a bb gun growing up man? You learn to shoot on those, then you move to firearms.

>>59832788
Sick fucking meme dawg ;)

>>59832808

You're definitely right. Was just a hyperbole not based in reality, don't mind me friend

>>59832716

NJ is pretty fucked up.

I mean even Chris Commie Christy pardoned some chick who was passing through and got nailed by their fucked up gun laws.

BTW Republicans, thanks for FOPA, it was a great success.

>>59823913
these executive actions are nothing but media fodder.

they rarely go beyond the executive cabinet

>>59823913
If Texas succeeds I'm totally moving there. A good half of my family already lives there so it'd be easy.

>>59832647
Or you know, I could go buy the gun I want, because fuck you. Why do you get to decide how I defend myself, and what magazine capacity is "permissible" for self defense?

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>>59832647
>>59832861
>Using smiley face things

>>59826269
get a load of this tripfag trying to say EO aren't laws...
>>>/redditt/

It becomes law of the land unless overturned by the SCOTUS.
http://mentalfloss.com/article/20519/executive-orders-famous-infamous-ridiculous

>>59832942
6 for semi-auto, 12 for pump/bolt. Also fuck you, innocent people aren't going to die so you can have "muh freedoms"

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>>59833031
>Using a meme picture

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>>59833133
>Tu quoque

>>59832911

help make the dream alive and join http://www.thetnm.org/

>>59823913

Reminder that mental health background checks are a ploy to expand big pharma and remove guns from combat vets with PTSD

>>59833068
>"muh freedoms"

the american left everyone

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>>59824880
>>59825295
Gee just fucking insult the guy instead of explaining to him why it's wrong.

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>>59832412
you have a very sick mind, pervert.

>>59833068
Sure, whatever you say champ. I'm sure one day your arbitrary values on what a person should and should not be able to own in their own home will be important to someone

>>59829157
DUDE

>>59833366 (Checked)
WEED

>>59830181
You have 20 seconds to explain why you get turned on by your wife fucking black men

>>59833298
I'm voting for trump, you fucking kike

>>59825791

OP is 12 years old. Getting in trouble with cops is big and scary to preteens.

>>59833308

Why should I attempt to engage him in rational conversation? His post clearly indicates that he hasn't looked at the statistics surrounding the subject he is pontificating about.

He is the internet equivalent of a guy on a street corner screaming about the apocalypse.

If Reagan hadn't defunded the asylum system, he'd be in a rubber room right now.

And here you are defending him. What size straight jacket?

>>59833360
Your right, when it's a risk for me, I think I have the right to be concerned that that Jeff from sales is going to snap one day.

>>59824643

Because liberals know they can't just flip a switch and start confiscating guns the next day -- that would literally trigger a revolution.

Their endgame is to gradually attenuate gun rights through a "death by a thousand cuts", increasing regulations one by one until it's virtually unfeasible for the average American to easily purchase and carry his firearms.

You can see the agenda in full effect in states like New York and California, where guns are only legal in name only -- they're virtually impossible to buy and you pretty much can't carry them anywhere outside of your house.

We cannot capitulate an inch on gun rights, the left's desire for disarmament is insatiable. Once we compromise in one regard they'll be back next month asking for another compromise. We must give them nothing.

THANK YOU BASED CRIPPLE

People will never stop killing one another for whatever reason, its in our fundamental nature, taking guns away from good people will only greatly empower the bad. Unfortunately good people must have guns...sad reality.

>>59833575

>gradually attenuate gun rights

This is exactly why it was stated, unequivocally, "shall not be infringed."

>>59825060
A FUCKING LEAF

>>59833506
Yeah, you have the right to be concerned all you want. You don't have the right to violate my rights, or Jeff's rights. Thats the important thing.

Maybe next you can tackle the first amendment due to the inherent risk of Jeff from sales saying something that might incite a mob of dindus that turns into a race riot that potentially also puts you at risk.

>>59833424

then your gun opinions dont matter since trump will be the one who oversees the laws. glad to hear, friend! trump 2016.

>>59833784

Hell, maybe even the third because they fight for our freedom and housing is a common sense right for soldiers

>>59833784
Nigger I could die because of Jeffs "rights" and that means your "rights have to go as well.
I'm using quotes, because do you think the founding fathers wanted this? Fully automatic killing machines as opposed to large, clunky, one shot muskets? But no, you want to look cool. Also I live in eastern washington where its above 90% white, I doubt there would be any sort of mob

>>59833901
Trumps not going to win though. It will be shillary or sanders

>>59834010
Sorry thats not how the whole freedom thing works. If you think the founding fathers were not aware of the progress of weapons technology, and the ever increasing efficiency of killing machines you are far stupider than I thought.

Hey guess what, Jeff from sales could also put you at just as much of a risk by answering his cellphone while he is driving that leads to an accident. To make sure you are 100% safe lets ban cars and cellphones. Then maybe we can start to look at knives, you might accidentally get cut while chopping potatoes for dinner, and it might cause you to bleed to death. We gotta make sure the world is perfectly safe for you after all, it doesn't matter what anybody else might want.

>>59834010
>do you think the founding fathers wanted this? Fully automatic killing machines as opposed to large, clunky, one shot muskets?
They had full auto firearms there too, do you think the founding fathers were a bunch of retards? They knew technology would advance.

>Also I live in eastern washington where its above 90% white, I doubt there would be any sort of mob
So just because you live there means everyone else that lives in crime ridden areas with hordes of niggers should live under the same rule as you?

> I could die because of Jeffs "rights" and that means your "rights have to go as well.
You know you can die by driving your car and walking down the street. Guess we will have to ban those too!

>>59834010

You think the Founding Fathers wanted a hegemonic Federal Government that conducts surveillance, in secret, on millions of their citizens and actively works to subvert the ethnic European population by flooding our country with shitskins?

In 1965, the US was 85% white. Now we're 63% white, and that goes down to 46% when you only count people under 65.

I think the Founding Fathers would say we're living under tyranny again and ask why aren't we taking up our arms granted by the 2nd Amendment to re-establishment a government that serves the people. I'm not advocating for revolution, but I can guarantee if the Founding Fathers saw the state of the Federal Government today that's exactly what they'd encourage.

>>59834273
>>59834272
hivemind?

>>59834054
You have to go back and build the wall

>>59825441

You watch, the supreme court will hear on it only after two more blue justices can be appointed by Hillary.

>>59834324
It was pretty eerie.

>>59831882
>>59832259
>>59832647
>>59832698
>>59832861
>>59833068
>>59833133
>>59833424
>>59833506
>>59834010
>>59834054
make America great again, kill yourself

>>59834272
You are comparing apples and oranges.
Driving with a cell phone has laws in place, so does drunk driving. We need cell phones and we need knives, they are of use day to day. Unlike a fucking automatic rifle. They serve no use unless you are committing an attack or defending against 15 or more armored enemies. Other than that they serve no use

>>59825993
80% of Americans support closing the "gun show loophole" but a law doing so gets nowhere in congress, the people's representatives. And the president is doing whatever he can in his power to comply to the peoples will. How is that undemocratic?
http://www.pollingreport.com/guns.htm

>>59834301
I'm not either, you don't think I fucking hate the government? If we are going to attack them we need to use cyber attacks, thus why tehy are trying to limit that as well. It's not working though

>>59834543
>"NEED" cellphones
>don't need "Assault rifles"
which one is in the constitution again?
>>>/trash/

>>59834273
See
>>59834543
But for the niggers thing if you are going to do something as stupid as that you are asking to be hit.

>>59834649

tyranny of the majority is the reason we have congress. glad its doing its job to stop left wing nut jobs like you

>>59834729
One has connected the world together, made loves easier, helped out business deals, saved lives through it's immediate usage to the emergency usage
One was created to kill

>>59834811
okay so if 80% of people support something, it's automatically tyranny? It's actually 83% of Americans. And it's completely constitutional to expand background checks. The only argument otherwise holds water if you remove two words from the second amendment.

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>>59834844
now I know you are trolling

>>59834924
>And it's completely constitutional to expand background checks.
Background checks are unconstitutional though.

>>59834985
Took you long enough
No liberals post on /pol/

>>59834844
Still, which one is in the constitution?

Also, i'm pretty sure the AK has saved lives, it has deposed tyrants, it has defended businesses and consumers both from thugs, it has created a bond between disenfranchised peoples in remote corners of the world. The AK-47 is more than just a gun, its a symbol, and symbols are important.

But it scares you so we should ban it. I'm scared of cars, so they need to be banned. The founding fathers never considered that people would be driving around in giant steel boxes, we need to make them illegal right now!

>>59834924
this nigger loving leftist cuckfag don't understand what tyranny even means. go get blacked ya hippie douchebag. leftist brainwashing at its finest.
i wounder how many "actuallys" will be in its witty retort.

>>59834924
Expand all the background checks you want. All it will do is expand what people like you would call the "black" market, which just happens to be perfectly legal and normal.

>>59834924

heres the (You) you're finishing for

start a petition to remove the second amendment and stop whining on the internet you pathetic loser

>>59835037
Explain your reasoning please.

>>59834543
>Driving with a cell phone has laws in place, so does drunk driving. We need cell phones and we need knives, they are of use day to day.

We also need guns, murder is already illegal.

I can argue against the restriction of knives and knife ownership:
If you need anything cut, you can either call your local government butcher or cook to cut them, as mandated by law.

>>59831923
>for_the_emperor.jpg

>>59833346
sorry, im a cuckold

>>59835117
>>59835057
Cucked
>>59835050

>>59835085
GO WATCH MADDOW AND WISH FOR YOUR DICK TO TURN INTO A VAGINA YOU LIBERAL FILTH.
DAY OF THE ROPE WHEN?

>>59825615
Save $200-300 and buy a Mauser or Mosin-Nagant(only if your too worried about expensive ammo).

>>59834844
>Ignores the original question
>Posts an emotional response
>Ignores all of the good that guns have done
>Ignores all the bad that phones have done

FUCK YOUR FEELINGS, BITCH
Self-defense is the most fundamental right, you fucking cuck faggot. Your forefathers who bled and died for your rights are rolling in their grave. You should honestly be ashamed.

>>59834649

If 80% of the people supported it, it would pass.

Who do you think you're kidding, Chaim?

>>59835085
>THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
>>SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
>>H
>>A
>>L
>>L

>>N
>>O
>>T

>>B
>>E

>>I
>>N
>>F
>>R
>>I
>>N
>>G
>>E
>>D

>>59835171
yeah... I was kinda having fun with it though. Shame it has to end.

>>59835189
>>59835078
>>59835071
>>59835068
Is there any way you can refute my argument without resorting to calling me a leftist fag. You reactionary dumbasses?

>>59835276
See
>>59835050

>>59834649
What loophole

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>>59824664
Jewmer and Homo, a match made in hell.

>>59835324
No, all I can do is shoot you with my guns.

>>59835324

nobody wants to refute you.

rally your 80% and get our state legislators to remove the second amendment of our constitution

this is what you want, right? stop relying on other people to do shit for you. get out of that mentality.

>>59835254
I'd think a .38 revolver would be more or less perfect, ammo is cheap as shit, the guns are cheap for a firearm, and the cartridge is good for personal defense.

>>59835369
Private gun sales. If you go to a gun show many people are walking around or set up tables and sell guns and accessories. There's also actual dealers there, but they already need run background checks. The gun show loophole specifically refers to any body with a gun taking it to a gun show and being able to sell it to anyone without even asking for a photo ID. If I was a criminal and wanted a gun to use in a crime, I'd go to a gun show and find a private dealer. On one occasion when I was 17 a guy offered to sell me an AR-15 at a gun sale, didn't even ask my age.

>>59827066
What, exactly, does a waiting period accomplish?

>>59835556

They think making a person wait 3 days will change their suicidal tendencies

>>59835388
Is that an R1 shes holding? Grips and trigger aside it looks just like my 1911.

>>59835556
It creates illusory safety.

>>59835556
So a background check can be ran. Current federal law is that a background check must be ran for handgun purchases from a licensed dealer and then wait three days before actually being handed the weapon. However if something happens and the background check is held up, after the three days, you can walk back in the store and be handed the handgun before the back ground check even goes through.

>>59835599
I know somebody who shot himself in the head. He had things planned out months in advance. He didn't know much about guns, so he wound up having to drive across several states to get one, and it wasn't even really a good choice, but at least it got the job done instead of leaving him all crippled up for the rest of his life or something. Not exactly a fun time for the family, though. Kind of a bad life choice.

>>59835462
So basically asking to ban something illegal.

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>have gun I don't want anymore or unsatisfied with a couple of times in a year
>use Armslist.com™ to sell the firearm and not get ripped off by pawn jews
>screen anyone that has nigger name, nigger e-mail, nigger attitude
>sometimes make receipts but usually trade cash for gun
>Odummy wants to fuck that up for me and other people
SHALL

>>59831083
Probably never.

>>59835742
Meant for
>>59835542

WE TURNER DIARIES NAO
THE DAY OF THE ROPE IS COMING

>>59834649
It's undemocratic on the basis that it simply violates the basic principle of separation of powers.

>>59835823
I was using myself as an example to show how easy it is to buy a gun. Yeah the guy would've gone to jail for selling to a minor, but if I was a convict he would have no way of verifying that I wasn't.

>>59835742
No, i'm saying the poster was talking about how expensive it is to own a gun, dunno about your, or his state, but here you can find .38s for something like $200, maybe $230 sometimes less. If its used its going to be cheaper. They are easy to shoot and maintain, ammo is cheaper than 7.62x54r, and the firearm itself is good for defense or as a carry piece.

>>59835955
It wasn't meant for you

>>59836013
Yeah I had basically hit reply before the thread refreshed and I saw your next post. Sorry about that.

>>59835724
>Current federal law is that a background check must be ran for handgun purchases from a licensed dealer and then wait three days before actually being handed the weapon.
This isn't true. Most States don't have a waiting period.
In my State, you can literally walk in, fill out your 4473, and be out in a few minutes.
The waiting period is not the federal government.

>>59830181
Ban cars then. Shit, ban eating because people occasionally choke.

>>59836550
>ban
Dude, it's 2016. JUST BIN THOSE CARS

>>59835130
Kek.

>>59823913
>HEY GUISE THERE'S A BUNCH OF MUDSLIME MONKEYS SHOOTING UP OUR CITIES
>I THINK THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION IS TO LEAVE THE AMERICAN POPULATION DEFENSELESS!
>HURR DURR HURR DURR
I love this country, but I hate the fucking government. Goddamn motherfuckin' shit-for-brain illiterate punk-ass bitch-made liberal cunts ruining my country yo.
For real.

>>59834010
Please point out where the fuck it says that the second amendment only applies if technology does not advance over the next 200 years.
Also, tell me when the last time a legal full-auto was used in a shooting in the US was.

>>59834543
Again, where are all these automatics coming from?

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Who /AK-107/ here?

I want to skip the AR meme and get one of these recoiless purifiers

>>59835724
It doesn't take days to do a background check.

>>59836843
This is why you don't vote for anti-whites. Obama, Hillary, Bernie, all anti-whites, who just love shitting on the public.

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>>59839161

>>59823913
Executive orders only remain in effect for as long as the man who made them is in office.

They will expire the day the new president takes over, unless the president re-orders it.

All this will do is polarize the voters to vote for/against gun control, meaning liberals will likely vote republican.

>>59833575
I really like how "compromise" seems to mean, "I get some of what I want, and you get some of what you don't want."

It's not like they are saying, "Ok, we are gonna eliminate gun free zones in exchange for background checking private sales."

THAT would be a compromise. Both parties get something they want, both get something that they don't.

>>59833506
That's why you arm yourself, you limp wristed pinko.

>>59840883
The compromise is that you give up tighter background checks and they allow you to keep your barbaric murder tools for a little longer.
Thats how their thinking goes, anyway.

>>59841051
That's what I mean, it's like a parent "compromising" with a three year old. The second you realize that the opponent isn't 3 years old, the argument seems retarded.

>"Eat your carrots or you don't get to watch tv!"
>"No. Fuck you. I own my own house, purchase and prepare my own food, pay my own bills, and work my own job. I don't answer to you, and have absolutely no reason to!"
>"Well, now you're just being unreasonable!"

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We got this.

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>>59841262

>>59823913
I can't wait until all your fucking guns are taken away, and you tedious gunfags will have to go find something else to bitch about.

>>59823913
I mean, background checks aren't going to do that much to prevent the Adam Lanzas of the world from getting guns when they just steal them from their parents anyway.

>>59841420
obv. the solution is to eliminate parents and family.

>>59841406
We'll probably bitch about getting our guns back desu.

>>59841454
That's already been suggested so that no sort of familial privilege exists (parents who read to their kids tend to have their children do better - no matter what their economic income is. Single mothers don't have the time, therefore, it was suggested that children should be taken from parents and raised in a government facility where all things would theoretically be equal).

>>59841582
My mommy read books to me every night. Call me an anecdote, but I'm not about to trade that one away.

>>59841714
I was just pointing out that your sarcastic suggestion to eliminate familial relationships has been suggested within the past year.

I know you were joking, but there are people out there who will think you are very serious and agree with you.

>>59823913
>in order to fight terrorism we give terrorists more possibilities to acquire weapons
You americans are crazy

>>59824643
But don't you already have that implemented? Not trolling just curious

>>59834649

>80% of Americans support closing the "gun show loophole"

[citation needed]

>>59841830
Don't worry about it. We think Russians are crazy.

>>59841903
>http://www.pollingreport.com/guns.htm
The citation was there.

The polling size was 1,018. That's 0.0003252% of the population. The 1 in 5 rape study had better numbers.

>>59842078
To be more clear about the horrible sampling size, if you multiplied their polling numbers by one thousand, you would not even cover the margin of error on a national vote.

>>59842078
>I know nothing about statistics

>>59823913

Texas once again, proving to the world that it is the most based state in the USA.

They really should just declare independence. They would be more successful and powerful than most European and South American states.

>>59842215
What are you even saying? If the sample size was one million the margin of error would be .01%.

>>59842267
You know nothing about statistics if you are going to state that 1,018 people accurately represents how the entire nation feels.

The polling for the presidential election has higher numbers in each fucking state, and, often times, in each county.

>>59823913
>Obama is poised to adopt would require some unlicensed gun dealers to get licenses and conduct background checks on potential buyers. The change is aimed at informal dealers, such as those who sell online frequently or rent tables at gun shows but do not have a storefront.
Nothing wrong with this.

>>59842366
There's a population of 313 million. The margin of error of a nationwide vote for this would be larger than the total number of people that they polled.

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>>59842372
Be honest have you ever taken a statistics course?

If the entire population was split 150,000,000 to 150,000,000 exactly on this issue then it is 50/50. If you were to sample a population of n people then you would most likely get 50% of them voting one way and 50% another way.

Obviously if you sample more people you are more likely to be near or exactly at 50%, but without sampling all 300 million people you likely won't get the perfect number, so you create error ranges.

These error ranges usually say that you are 95% confident that the true number is greater than X and less than Y. That means they are 95% sure the real number is either 1.96 standard deviations above or below the number their poll tells them.

To calculate standard deviation of binomial proportions you use the equation in the image.

>>59842433
The margin of error on a nationwide vote would be zero. Everyone voted. How could there be any error?

based texas has open carry now

>>59843121
... Says Uruguay.
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're using a proxy.

>>59843324
it was on the news here and all the nogunz faggots were losing their minds. pretty shameful for being the 2nd most armed country in the americas. even argies are more based.

>>59842385
read the fucking thread for fucks sake

>>59840445
Thats a haaaard >implying buckaroo

https://youtu.be/lJs9sBBjLls

>>59839161
>ID: cyakwidh
>cyka

>>59830656
insane people should be medicated or in a home, if your crime was so violent you cant be trusted again, you should be in prison until you can be, or dead.