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What kind of justice system would even consider sending two 12 year-olds to prison for 65 years?
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no jail time for cuties
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>>41628259
I don' t know, the same kind of justice system that would allow an "Asian" pedophile ring in Rotherham to sexually assault children with impunity.
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>>41628259

The same justice system the frowns on killing in the name of a fictional internet character.
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>>41628259
If they were actually pretty they would have gotten less time, that is the truth.
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I don't recognize these two. What did they do?
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Agreed
Was pretty amazed when I read that before. Mental hospital, lots of therapy lots of education they'd be good to be back in society at 18.
I mean the victim didn't even die.
65 years is unbelievable
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>>41628259
Are they those delusional bitches that stabbed a girl and left her to die in a forest so they could meet slender man?
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>>41628405

Stabbed their friend nearly to death to impress Slenderman.
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Anyone ever seen Thelma & Louise
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>>41628405
tortured and killed a boy because of the demands of candleja-
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>>41628259

They're not getting a sentence that long, no question about it.
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>>41628259
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>>41628259
Story? I want to feel better about my country when I read about England.
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>>41628259

They lured one of their friends (also 12) into the woods and tried to stab her to death.

Tell you what, if you feel that liberal about murderers, we'll just have them move into your house. You can even let them do the cooking; lots of knives in the kitchen, you know.
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>>41628462
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>>41628463

They're Americans you dumb fuck.
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>>41628259
the kind that says "fuck you, you ruined someone else's life, now you pay the price"
don't worry though, pussy. the liberal butthurt that fills every crevice of the world we live in will see them free by the time they're 30.
at which time i have no doubt they will find a way to hurt someone else.
and faggot libs like you will go from excusing them because of age to excusing them because of how "hard" their life has been, being in prison.
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>>41628463
google "Slenderman murder"
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>Cotton revealed in court that Casimir has diagnosed Geyser with schizophrenia, a mental illness.

>The first doctor to testify was court-appointed — Dr. Brooke Lundbohm. She told the court that Geyser believes she has Vulcan mind control abilities, can speak to Voldemort and believes in unicorns.

>“She once regressed into ramblings about a student in her class being a Pegasus,” said Dr. Lundbohm.

>When referring to Slenderman, Dr. Lundbohm said of Geyser, “It’s a person who she has a strong bond with. That she idolizes and believes to be real.”
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>>41628405
the "slenderman killers" (attempted murder)

http://www.newsweek.com/2014/08/22/girls-who-tried-kill-slender-man-264218.html
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>>41628259
>up to 65 years
I think that is the max sentence.

Doubt they'll get 65 years. Bet they'll get a pretty solid sentence and then get out on good behavior...
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>>41628539
>Implying she just didn't say a bunch of BS to get an insanity plea.
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Wow this is fucking disgusting. Didn't think the US would stoop that low.
Like are there any ethics left in the US? Did they even consider rehabilitation? When I see shit like this I can dig where ISIS gets their hate for the west from.
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>>41628546

>what is "truth in sentencing" ?
>what is not all states have the same sentencing guidelines?
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There's some pretty sick shit based around these two fucks.
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>>41628496
wow
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>>41628599
2/10
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>>41628597

The number of defendants who plead insanity and are successful is less than 1%. Professionals can see through even the best acting jobs.
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>>41628599
They will never get anywhere near the max sentence. Also see: >>41628354

OP should not be throwing stones in a glass house.
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Those two ugly cunts deserve it. I bet they'll get raped and beaten too. It'll be well earned.
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>>41628354

You tell'em, brother.
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>Morgan Geyser and Anissa Weier have been charged as adults

This I never understood.

They have special low sentences for kids....until they actually commit a crime.
Why even make a distinction in the first place?
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if anything its not the girls fault the dad should go to jail for being a shitty parent
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>>41628669

Jeff, get the van....
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We don't got time to be fixing up all these fucked up kids. If something were to be a step ahead it would be fixing the shitbag parents that raise kids this fucking stupid.
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>>41628681
>not old enough to give informed consent like an adult
>old enough to get sentenced as an adult
And americucks will actually defend this!
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If they were black little boys /pol/ would've thrown a fucking party
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>>41628664
A prison sentence under 16 still baffles me. And pointing fingers to the UK, what does that have to do with anything?
See this for EU reasoning: >>41628681
And also fucking this: >>41628696
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>>41628696
Dad looks pretty fun

http://scallywagandvagabond.com/2014/06/morgan-geysers-father-encouraged-slender-man-obsession/
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oh wow rule 34 strikes again
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>>41628259
>What kind of justice system would even consider sending two 12 year-olds to prison for 65 years?

A pretty awesome one

Fuck those kids
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>>41628669
wow
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>>41628732

>1760 + 255
>Europeans thinking any American gives a fuck what they think.
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>>41628387
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>>41628597
>implying a 12 year old is clever enough to fool a psychologist.
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>>41628483
can not unsee
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>>41628639
>Professionals can see through even the best acting jobs.
Hahahaha
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>anything you don't like
>see! That's why Muslims hate you!

Are you fucking kidding me? Isis got a hold of these bitches they would be assfuck slaves and then hit in the head with rocks till their brains oozed out. This level of ignorance is rampant and exactly why western culture is eating itself alive. Gigantic, gaping, apologist pussies. When it happens, you'll be the first to go, fucktard.
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>>41628773
Don't worry, we know that Americans are too stupid to take advice from their moral and intellectual superiors.
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>>41628732
>>41628743

To clarify:
I don't care that they are being charged as adults.

My autism just can't deal with the fact that some law maker made a distinction between "charging as kids" and "charging as adults" when in reality all serious crime gets charged as adults anyways.
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>>41628681
Who knows?

I don't really know shit about the subject of children sentencing, but I am pretty sure the distinction is made for less severe crimes life theft or vandalism.
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>>41628743
OP is from Britbongarabia. He made a post attacking the US justice system, as if his own was any better. Both suck; that was my only point,
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kittychan
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>>41628850

>Germany
>Moral superior
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An effective one
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>>41628743
They will be sent to juvenile detention centers and then transferred to the prison system once they are old enough.

Murder and attempted murder are one of those situations where you can't go LOL THEY ARE JUST KIDS and move along. They are clearly fucked up and need to be removed for the benefit of society.
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>German
>moral and intellectual superiors

Topkek
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>>41628739

Fuck off, Frog. Only the liberals are crying about this. Personally I don't fucking care. We've got more than enough children on this planet that we don't need to keep the ones that want to go around stabbing people.
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>>41628889
>>41628922
Name just one thing Germany did that was morally wrong.
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>>41628922
They are though.

Also hard working, modest and generous.
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>>41628962
Not actually gassing Jews.
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>>41628962
Only leaving us in 1945
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>>41628962
catholicism when protestantism was clearly better
>the city of rheinland and buyern
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>>41628962

>Intellectual superiority confirmed for bullshit
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>>41628962

Electing Merkel
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>>41628852
At least in my country youths under 16 years of age can not be tried as adults. Penal law isn't an easy subject, but this would never happen here.
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>>41628732
Murder is murder. Just about every crime a child commits is going to be less serious because they're less capable and
there's also the assumption it's the parents fault for raising them poorly. There's no version of murder a child can
commit that is less serious, it's just plain murder.
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>>41628962
hahahah shut the fuck up
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>>41629051

That's nice, Belgium, but that really doesn't fucking matter.
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>>41629051

We can always count on Belgium to come in here with his left-wing SJW values.
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>>41629011
say what?
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>>41629051
pretty sure they can be euthanized though. or was that your neighbor?
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>>41628259
One that does it's job right.
They murdered another girl over a fucking internet meme. They need counseling and prison time. There is no excuse.

If people like you stopped protecting criminals, we'd have a much better society in Britain.
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>>41628969
Yeah that, while also trying to squeeze the life out of the people of Greece, You would think that Germany would have learned a valuable lesson about how not to treat another European nation after the Paris Peace Conference. Yeah, yeah, I know, this time its different.
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>>41628442
I didn't know you guys out in Romania had heard of Candlej--
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>>41629051
in my country the age is 18
we made a plebiscite last year to take it down to 16 but the people said no
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>>41628990
But we did, just ask your history prof, Professor Goldbergstein

>>41628998
>implying you wanted us to

>>41629011
We have the best of both worlds, heretic

>>41629028
Whatever else she may be, she's the greatest politician this country has seen in a long time.

>>41629057
Children can't be guilty of commiting a crime though. There is no version of murder that a child can commit.
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>>41629051
Yeah because you'd rather let kids get a slap on the wrist for attempted murder so they can get out and do it again. I wonder how the victim would feel knowing those two little cunts could get off easy.
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>>41629142

If it weren't for people like OP we wouldn't have killers or thieves in this world.
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>>41629079
>>41629084
Actually yes. Because trying 12 year olds as adults is a failure of the justice system.
It's basically abandoning children who have very serious mental issues.
Call me a SJW all you want, but that doesn't fly in my book.
>>41629139
Child euthanasia is legal in Belgium, but it's a lot more complex than pulling the plug. It's only in cases of terminal and painful disease.(suffering vs extending life)
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>>41629153
>squeeze the life out of the people of Greece

Sometimes a parent has to tough to show his love.

If only the parents of those kids learned from Germany.
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>>41629182
if you are doing so well now is at least in part because of the gigantic guilt your people have

i love Heiner Muller, though
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>>41628929
>minutes before she strangled the cat
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>>41629246

Why don't you go make some waffles for your wife and her black boyfriend?
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>>41628259
It's absurd. The very nature of the crime proves they're not thinking like adults.
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>Europeans hate Americans
>before heavy American political influence, Europeans try to kill each other every ten years or so for the last thousand years

Care to explain yurocucks?

No seriously, your continent sucks balls, but before we got uber powerful, you kinda just killed each other all the time. What's the deal?
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Both of them have crazy eyes
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>>41629182
>>implying you wanted us to

No, I meant it was morally wrong to end the loving embrace of your glorious occupation.
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>>41629246

Nobody cares about your fucking opinion, Belgium. When you gotta deal with shit like this, then maybe we'll care about what you have to say about it.
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>>41629223
Bottom line if they are not old enough to vote, drink, smoke, or consent to sex because society considers them to be too immature they should not be tried as adults. You can have it both ways, but you cannot have it both ways while being logically consistent.
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>What kind of justice system would even consider sending two 12 year-olds to prison for 65 years?

The kind that lost its moral imperative to legislate and implement laws sometime during the Nixon administration.

But in this case, the broken-beyond-repair US legal system is not fully to blame.

Look no further than the 4th estate. It's media sensationalism which allows John Q. Citizen to be, um...okay with the fact that his country's legal system is a runaway train of overkill.

Splashy headlines, non-existent fact-checking, bizarre and undignified speculation, and just plain shoddy journalism have pushed people into believing the hype around Law Enforcement.

They are not doing their job, quite the opposite - if the government really wanted less crime, they wouldn't make it impossible for felons to find jobs, nor would they continue their nonsensical efforts to fight the unwinnable War on Drugs.

No, they want crime. Because without crime - without FEAR - why do you really even need them? Roads? That's about it.

Yeah, it's no surprise to me that they're charging 12-year-olds as adults now. What's even less of a surprise that the media-brainwashed public is lapping it up like hungry dogs.
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>>41628990
edgy, but made me laugh anyways.
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>>41629326
My apologies, but there's only so much you can do when the ZOG armies come marching.
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>>41629300
>>41629328

>>41629329
at least this fucking guy makes sense. There's still morality somewhere in the US.
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>>41629349

What would you do with children that did what these two girls did?

There has to be a limit to this mentality we have in the states were we place children on pedestals, and treat them like they are angels incapable of evil and sinless.
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>>41629263
Yeah, just like the allied powers had to show tough love to Germany following WWI. How did that work out for you? Was it just? Learn from your history...this is not how you treat your European brothers.
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>>41629393

You're just here to do what Eurotrash always do in these threads; shitpost about how your tiny-assed irrelevant country does something differently than the US.
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>>41629349
I'm starting to think they are manipulating fear. They have definitely been known to do it in the past, example video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmqNiFJyI28

Also, they made a shit ton of shit up about pot.
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>>41628732

Not really a cuck thing more of a common sense thing.

If you plan a premeditated murder, you should be tried as an adult.

The sentence will likely be reduced since there was actually no murder.

A cuck move would be demanding the Government allow them to slide because muh chilluns and they would go on to actually kill someone.

This likely was also sending a message to the parents to actually raise your kids and if they are truly mentally ill, then get them help and proper supervision.
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>>41629442
>allied powers had to show tough love to Germany following WWI.

No, that was just Jews being Jews.
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>>41628732
Yeah, sentencing these two as an adult at the age of 12 is insane.
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>>41628259
Clapistan has the highest percentage of it's population behind bars than any developed country. You really think they aren't going to just throw kids in there with everyone else? lel

>muh freedom
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>>41629421

What would I do with them? I'd put them into treatment.

No 12-year-old should be held to the same level of accountability for their actions as a full-grown adult - that's a no-brainer.

These girls were deluded. Hell, when I was a kid, I used to think everyone turned into closet-monsters when I left the room then changed back to humans when I returned. Now, I no longer believe that. Because I grew up - something these girls should have an opportunity to do as well.
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>>41629421
Child psychologists, rehabilitation centers, medication in case they have a mental disorder. You can do a lot.
The thing is it costs money and that has always been a touchy subject in the US when it's government funded.
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>>41629488
Common sense would be: If you are not an adult, you should not be tried as an adult.
I mean all these words have meaning, don't they? They aren't just empty shells that can mean whatever the speaker wants them to mean?
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>>41629536
Assuming these girls actually have schizophrenia and not an extremely overactive imagination, they aren't going to be able to "grow out" of it. Still, they shouldn't be charged as an adult. That's bullshit. No one even died.
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>>41629329
Ok so let's look at it like this for example
>not tried as adults
>given possible lighter sentence if at all.
>kids are back out and haven't changed
>kids stab someone else and kills them.
>hurray for much feelings!
Great logic huh?
If those stupid shits stabbed my kid I'd want the death penalty on them. An eye for an eye.
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>>41629521
oh im sorry we dont send our criminals to vacation centers after they behead our military in the middle of the street you tea drinking cuck
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>>41628259
65 is insane. they need psychiatric help
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>>41629609
Ok so let's look at it like this for example
>not tried as adults
>given possible lighter sentence if at all.
>kids are back out and have changed, because they actually get the help they need
>kids become productive members of society
>hurray for humanity!
Doesn't sound so bad tbh
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>>41629491
Sorry, I was not paying attention and still thought that I was replying to the German.

At any rate,

>No, that was just Jews being Jews.

could easily apply to the current treatment of Greece by the EU member states, the ECB, and Germany in particular.
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>>41629609
Nope. They should be involuntarily committed until their delusions are under control. I had a childhood friend that was committed after he threatened to shoot up the school and he wasn't released until his early 20s (with a fun diagnosis of bipolar disorder co-morbid with borderline personality disorder).
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>>41629536

I understand your argument in that these children were definitely deluded, and yes children do lack a certain level of self-control.

However I would like to posit that this isn't some minor delinquency, this was very serious.

In a situation such as this, if the children were of sound mind, and body when doing this act, then it should be treated no differently than if they were adults. If we treated everyone, child or adult, as incapable of being responsible for their actions simply because they were deluded, then we could easily consider every murderer, rapist, or thief as having no responsibility for their actions.

I'm on the side of the heavy hand of justice on this one, but then again I'm still in shock and stuff like this angers me. My opinion on this should be considered tainted as my judgement is definitely clouded.
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>>41628259
On one hand, it seems completely absurd to even send a 12 year old to jail.

On the other hand, they're product of your inbred and degenerate island, so there isnt much of an improvement to hope for.

At least they wont get raped by pakis.
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>>41629718
>In a situation such as this, if the children were of sound mind, and body when doing this act, then it should be treated no differently than if they were adults.


Do you apply this same logic to alcohol, voting, smoking, and sex?
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>>41629741

This happened in the states, so read the thread before you post you snail-snorting frog.
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>>41629623
Neither do we you burger eating cuck

We used to send our retards and criminals to shithole islands ar away from here but Clapistan and Australia have stronger boarder controls these days
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>>41629686
>could easily apply to the current treatment of Greece by the EU member states

Maybe.

>, the ECB,

certainly

>and Germany

Nope.
Unlike the ECB and some other EU members Germany isn't trying to device all sorts of banking schemed to "fix" the problem while leaking billions of tax euro's to bankers.

Germany says the exact opposite: no banking trickery will fix this, only a simple balancing of the budget.
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>>41629682
That is IF they're honest and actually have changed. Texas is zero tolerance with assault and murder. We don't take excuses. Those girls may have been young but they knew what they were doing. Now they'll live with it in jail. Good riddance
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>>41629753

Voting? No. I don't think anybody should vote unless they have skin in the game.

Drinking, smoking, and sex? Since when have the laws passed in this country stopped children from doing any of these things?
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>>41628259
>What kind of justice system would even consider sending two 12 year-olds to prison for 65 years?
The kind of justice system that holds children as accountable as adults when it's convenient for the state but refuse to allow children to have responsibility or the right to consent at any time.

The kind of justice system created by old people who don't have functioning brains anymore.
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>>41629770
He did say that they won't get raped by pakis, didn't he?
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>>41629813

>The kind of justice system created by old people who don't have functioning brains anymore.
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>>41628825
Kek
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>>41628527
People like you have no soul. It has nothing to do with politics, you think like a killer.
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>>41629682
That's why you have psychologists. To make sure they can integrate into society.
You're allowing children to be locked away for potentially half their life because you're scared of actually trying to help them.
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>>41629801
>Those girls may have been young but they knew what they were doing.
You have ten seconds to explain why they know what they are doing when planning to kill another human being, but not when planning to have sex with one.
You'd think the latter is far easier to fully understand
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>>41629718

I understand your anger over the thing. I can only imagine what my feelings might be if it were my daughter who was stabbed by these two.

But we were all 12 years old at one point. Anyone who can sincerely look back at being 12 years old and say they were of sound mind is fooling themselves.

None of us are of sound mind at age 12 - in fact that is the very age (the beginning of puberty in most of us) that we are LEAST capable of solid decision-making.

Now, these two girls wanted to kill another girl. That's wicked evil. But when you find out why, and you realize that no sane person could possibly have such a motivation, you cannot help but realize that you are seeing childhood delusion here.

I feel SO sorry for these girls, all of them, most particularly the one who was attacked. If I had done such a thing I would welcome society's punishment as solid justice.

But as an adult, as an accountable person, it is also my responsibility to remember that I am looking at 12-year-olds here, and it is my responsibility to understand what that means. It means they are children.

If they were 9, this would not be an issue.

But I guess in some people's minds, "12" sounds like it just...might...be...old enough.

It isn't. Not by several years IMO.
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>>41629900

We've got plenty of children. We can afford to lose a few. Especially the kind that stab other children.
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>>41628259

>comment on case on American news site
>argue that a 12 year old shouldn't be treated the same as an adult.
>get accused of trolling.
>Banned

mfw
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>>41628354

Rotherham?

We have child rapists and child murderers running the country and you blather about "Rotherham"?

Those "girls" were northern slags into drugs and kebab fucking.

Big deal.
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>>41629935
They're too young to fully understand the ramifications of either decision, you worthless pedo piece of shit.
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>>41629741
We are all sinking ships in our own unique ways.

The US has the oddest mix of puritanical Old Testament justice and a permissive, libertine culture.

I do not quite understand it myself. It is like we have a split personality.
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>>41629856
>implying people over 50 don't get dementia and alzheimer's

Makes no sense letting old farts have any say in the matters of people they have no clue about.
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>>41629935

This post is win.
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>>41629993
I do not live in a country where the two ages are considered to be vastly different from each other, you inbred fuck.
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>>41630004
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>>41629935
I don't think about kids fucking you goddamn pedo. Plus neither act needs consent when somebody is so fucked up to try it.
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>>41630036
Would you let some crusty 30+ year old 4chan neckbeard fuck your 12 year old daughter? It's too easy to take advantage of a child at that age. When I was 12 years old, the last thing I wanted to do was fuck someone.
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>>41629806
You are dodging the point. We as a society have stated in law that we do not think that minors are mature enough to vote, drink, smoke or consent to sex with an adult. In my opinion these are perfectly rational.

But, if we as a society have determined that minors do not have the maturity to engage in these activities, how can we then turn around and say that they have the maturity to be treated as adults for capital crimes?
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>>41629947
Kek, it's not like I'm going to get anywhere trying to argue with someone who thinks it's ok to imprison children. That's psychopath level bs.
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>>41629771
Just like you guys sent all your pretty women to Scandinavia.

At least the US got some fresh blood in the 1900s so we don't look like you inbred fucks.
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>>41628442

That's not how you candleJack you fucking literal newfa--
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>>41630100
Can they or can they not understand what they are doing in both cases?

>>41630103
No, and I wouldn't prosecute 12 year olds either. That's kind of the point I'm making.
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>>41629936
Are you a lawyer?
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>>41630114

That's nice, but once again this has nothing to do with you. You're just here to go; "LOL America! Why don't you just be more like the country I'm from? My country is soooooo much better! xD"
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>>41629609
what movie is that?
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>>41628599
Be subtle next time/10
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>>41630038
I've never made a post on rebbit and I don't plan to start now.

>>41630105
>We as a society have stated in law that we do not think that minors are mature enough to vote, drink, smoke or consent to sex with an adult.
"We"?
YOU have no say in the matter. No one outside of government, special interest groups, and corporations has a say.
We don't live in a society of law. We live in a society where money buys law.

>In my opinion these are perfectly rational.
But completely illogical, thus proving you to be irrational.

>if we as a society have determined that minors do not have the maturity to engage in these activities
This has not be determined though.
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>>41629801
>Those girls may have been young but they knew what they were doing.

Would you be saying the same thing if one of these girls was intimately involved with an adult male? I doubt it. Suddenly she would be too young to know what she was doing.

I agree, she is too young to know what she is doing in either case, that is why the law should treat juveniles differently from adults.
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>>41630105

I haven't dodged the point. My opinion on the matter is clearly stated. When and where do we start disciplining children if their mindset leaves them bereft of responsibility for their actions?
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>>41630103
There is literally nothing wrong with that situation other than it's gross. Should something be illegal because it's gross?
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>>41630188
Nothing to do with country, but with morals. I'd say the same thing if it were Turkey or France.
>>41630196
Lel, I don't do subtle.
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>>41630177
>That's kind of the point I'm making.

No it isn't. You've been shilling for fucking 12 year old children for the last hour and calling anyone who disagrees with you an inbred or a Jew. You're either desperate to troll someone or actually want to fuck children.
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>>41628599
The Congo called it wants it's hypocrisy back.
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>>41630188
I suspect if we allow those nut jobs to prosecute those sad young girls as adults then next step would be for some fag some where's about to claim they're in a relationship with a 12 year old and they'll cite this case as evidence as to why their relationship should be allowed.

those girls has no idea how much they fucked up and probably won't be able to fully comprehend their actions for some time.

unless of course they're inherently evil (sociopaths), but then that would be another matter entirely---they'd have to be euthanized at this point if they were.
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>>41628259
>Morgan Geyser will never kill me in the woods under the moonlight after a 13 days sex marathon.

I can't deal with it, I can't
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>>41630271
It's what you want to see, because the idea that it might be wrong to imprison children can not seem to enter your thick skull.
When I put prosecuting children and having sex with them next to each other I want you to see that the former is just as wrong as the latter.
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>>41630177
It depends on how they're raised and if they've matured fast. It doesn't make it right lots of kids don't understand the concept of sex or life and death but at the age of 12 even I understood the consequences and ramifications of violence. As long as it's taught properly then its understood.
>>41630194
Slumber part massacre 2
Pretty good slasher
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>>41630348
>unless of course they're inherently evil (sociopaths), but then that would be another matter entirely---they'd have to be euthanized at this point if they were.

No one is a sociopath at that age because they aren't fully developed. You'll never find a psychiatrist anywhere that will diagnose any 12 year old as having antisocial personality disorder. The worst label they'll get hit with is conduct disorder.
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>>41630348

Maybe. I think if the court could decide without a doubt that these girls were of sound mind and body, then this isn't going overboard. If they had legitimate psychological problems, then being institutionalized is another option. However there's no promise that they'll be cured of their mental problems and get out as well-adjusted adults. That's one thing that many of the anons pushing for the mental health option seem to be forgetting. That these girls could be so messed up that they may end up in a mental hospital for 60 years instead of just incarcerated for 60 years.
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>>41630328
I also heard it wants its diamonds an copper back, but that's not going to happen either is it?
Do you still feel guilty about slavery? Yeah as much as I do about colonization.
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>>41630407
Obviously you haven't seen The show Dexter. Duh.

Case solved.
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>>41629777
>Germany says the exact opposite: no banking trickery will fix this, only a simple balancing of the budget.


You mean only austerity will fix the problem; you know the type of austerity that the allied powers imposed on Germany after the First World War. I ask again, how well did that work out for Germany? Was it just? Why is Germany treating Greece similarly to the way that the allies treated Germany after the Paris Peace Conference? Did they learn nothing from their own experience?
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didnt slenderman start on /x/? it's their fault
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>>41630364
Learn to follow a comment chain or read the fucking thread, you moron. I never said it was alright to imprison children. Quite the opposite actually:

>>41629599
>>41629520
>>41629714

Good luck trying to screw children though, you sick fuck.
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>>41630396
And because you understood the consequences of violence at age 12 it should be generally applicable?
Prosecute the parents if you like, for clearly not teaching their children right from wrong, but there is no point in prosecuting innocents.
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>>41628399
if they were pretty they would be normal whores not doing weird shit in the woods
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>>41630215
Its the horrendous level of the case and the fact that they are still close to teens. They're getting what they deserve.
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>>41630456
pewdiepie did it
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>>41630428
No, why would I?

I'm half German and Colombian and my parents came to the USA in the last century -- no slave owners in my tree on either side. Can you say the same?

A bunch of English and Scottish owned black people for less than a 100 years -- the majority of blacks in this country are descended from those slaves and are 10000000x better off than Liberians or any other East Africans.

Anything else?

Yeah we didn't rape an entire country of it's natl resources and commit innumerable atrocities as "colonists"
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>>41630472
>but there is no point in prosecuting innocents.

What innocents were prosecuted?
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>>41630468
>literally agree with me in the 2nd linked comment
>cry muh pedo regardless
Can't say I saw that coming...
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The kind that enslaves their own children.

America.
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>>41630526
>Can you say the same?
Grandparents were immigrants Greek and Romanian origins, so yes I can.
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>>41630531
Not were, they still are being prosecuted!
I know it's difficult to believe that this didn't happen during the dark ages.
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>>41630472
Those sorry cunts still committed the act and should be held just as accountable as the father. This country needs to be more zero tolerance so everyone will learn a lesson
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>>41630602

What innocents, Kraut? Where are these 'innocents' you speak of?
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>>41630427

And if they did end up in a mental hospital for 60 years, that would be as close as we can get to justice in this case.

All of us had the same visceral reaction to this incident - disgust. We do not understand it. We are repulsed by it. We want the perpetrators to pay a price.

But if we do exact vengeance on the perpetrators, in THIS situation, then we are the ones committing a crime.

Our justice system has evolved to show no mercy whatsoever (except to the wealthy of course). But here, in this singular situation, mercy is demanded of us.

I can't speak for everyone obviously, but I can be merciful to a 12-year-old girl. If this was some 20-year-old dude out for kicks, I would shoot him in the head myself. But it isn't, it's 2 12-year-old girls who believed a horror story.

Because they are...12-year-old girls.

They won't spend 60 years in an institution. Justice WILL prevail. Long-term imprisonment of 12-year-old girls is not, and never will be acceptable. It is borderline barbaric.

They will be subjected to institutionalized treatment. As they mature, they will see the error of their ways, and the blindness behind their passions.

Even most of Manson's girls eventually came around to sanity.

In my opinion, as soon as they are capable of understanding that there is no Thin Man, their delusions will begin to dissipate, and their remorse will be sincere.

This may have already happened. But we won't know for certain until the vote-hungry prosecutor on this case finishes his grandstanding.
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>>41630550
I agree that they shouldn't be tried as an adult, not that it's alright to fuck kids. Do you want some troll points or something? I really do hope you're a troll and not some child-diddling piece of shit for society's sake. There has been plenty of them on /pol/ lately.
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Yeah, in the United States someone can be charged as an adult as young as 12 years old if the crime is considered horrific enough.

Murders such as this aren't taken kindly to. The law sees them no different then that man who shot up all those people at the Dark Knight premiere.
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>>41630635

LMAO - yeah, the lesson I've learned from every single person who has tried to "teach me a lesson" in this life is this:

People who try to teach lessons by punishing other people are assholes.
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>>41630427
i for one vie for a stint in the nut house for the foreseeable future. just to be on the safe side you understand. say, twenty years?
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>>41630706
Correct me if I'm wrong, but these two girls never actually killed any one, though.
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>>41630635
Exhaustive list of zero tolerance policies working out
>

In fact, zero tolerance is diametrically opposed to having anyone learn a lesson.

>>41630654
The girls in the OP, burgerfriend. It's what this thread is all about
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Texas, next thread please.
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>>41630472
they were 12-13 years old at the time.
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>>41630635
saying there needs to be more zero tolerance will end up painting yourself into a corner mate
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>>41630230
>My opinion on the matter is clearly stated. When and where do we start disciplining children if their mindset leaves them bereft of responsibility for their actions?


Well then I expect if you will charge children with adult consequences, you will also charge them with adult responsibilities and rights. You cannot, of course claim that someone has full responsibility under the law without having full fights under the law.

As such, if you are in favor of charging minors as adults then you must also be in favor of giving them voting rights, allowing them to drink, smoke, and have sexual relations with adults.
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>>41630689
>We want the perpetrators to pay a price.
Not really.
I couldn't care less about two little girls trying to stab a third one to death.

Pay a price?
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>let's throw 12 year olds in jail for crimes they didn't realize the gravity of

as someone who caught a felony for a post i made on 4chan when i was 13 (i'm 21 now) this line of thinking scares the shit out of me
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>>41629982

Good Job defending your brothers Mohammed. Asa lum Malekam....
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>>41630427
They'd be better off in the loony bin rather than bunked up next to Shaniqua.
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>>41630753

There are no innocent girls in the OP.
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>>41628259
It's their fucking fault. They wouldn't have received such a harsh penalty if they just raped their victim.
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>>41630766

>Well then I expect if you will charge children with adult consequences, you will also charge them with adult responsibilities and rights. You cannot, of course claim that someone has full responsibility under the law without having full fights under the law.

Nope.
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>>41630781
different situation entirely. What did you do by the way and why are you still here?
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>>41628442
Candlejack
candlejack
candlejack

fuck you
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>>41628259
Didn't they do a Law&Order SVU off this shit? and the kids basically walked?
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>>41630693
I say that if it is wrong to fuck 12 year olds it is also wrong to prosecute them.
I say that if it is wrong to prosecute 12 year olds it is also wrong to fuck them.
Everything beyond that is pure conjecture by your twisted mind.
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>>41630766
>>41630230

correction:

Well then I expect if you will charge children with adult consequences, you will also GRANT them with adult responsibilities and rights. You cannot, of course claim that someone has full responsibility under the law without having full RIGHTS under the law.

As such, if you are in favor of charging minors as adults then you must also be in favor of giving them voting rights, allowing them to drink, smoke, and have sexual relations with adults.
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>>41628442
Stop shit posting about candleJack you reta
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>>41630850
Stop trying so hard.
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>>41630850

If we in the US could still beat the ever-living shit out of our children, then this would not have been necessary.

But we can't, so we gotta send our little shits to the big house when they screw up.
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>>41630794
Funny, but there are two in his image already! How many more do you need?
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Do you think their little cunnies had an orgasm when they started stabbing?
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>>41630859

Nope.
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>>41630817
Being fully responsible to law but not having full rights under the law...that is the definition of tyranny. I believe you said that you were a Texan earlier. You should be ashamed.
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>>41630693
you're the one lacking reading comprehension here brah, our german friend has made perfect sense the entire time.

it is ridiculous in a country so stuck up over age of consent to prosecute 12 year olds as adults.
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>>41630897
>I want to fuck kids
>LEL I WAS JUST TROLIN U XD

Hope you're proxied up, kike!
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>>41630898
>Do you think their little cunnies had an orgasm when they started stabbing?
Welp they have lots of time to figure it out now, if it didn't work the first time. BTW stop trying to make us Canukisans king of the shit post, let oz have something
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>>41630897

Hmm... Nope! I don't see them. Is this some kind of brix-shitting joke picture or something? I'm at a loss as to where these innocent girls you speak of are located.
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>>41630939

>Being fully responsible to law but not having full rights under the law...that is the definition of tyranny.

Deal with it.
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morgan
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>>41628259
You fucking dumbass libtards love siding with criminals eh? You think by being nice to criminals or terrorists they will like you or that it gives you an undeserved sense of morality. Your moronic sense of leniency only fucks over the good law abiding citizen.
>give kids a short sentence to "rehabilitate"
>they will just kill again
>you can tell your smug bullshit and intellectually deficient philosophy to the victim of the next murder because you had to be nice to fucking murders
Fuck you stupid UK libtard cunts. Fuck you all.
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>>41630890
We are neither allowed to beat the ever-living shit out of our children, nor do we send them to jail if they screw up, and yet they still manage not to murder each other.
In a way this may all come back to the european moral and intellectual superiority I postulated earlier, and find all but proven now.

>>41630980
Wouldn't you say that people who committed no crime should be regarded as innocent?
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>>41630952
No, anyone who wants to fuck kids at the age of 12 is a pedophile.

>you're the one lacking reading comprehension here

I comprehend his posts just fine, you dumb nigger. Why spend two hours arguing in favor of screwing 12 year olds because some are being prosecuted?

>>41629935
Come the fuck on. How can you read shit like this and not assume this kraut is a closet pedo?
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>>41630897
I see a brutal murderer and her accomplice.

Nice try, Germany. You should go back to feeling guilty about the Holocaust or assfucking Greece. ;^)
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>>41628259
>http://www.newsweek.com/2014/08/22/girls-who-tried-kill-slender-man-264218.html
why did i have to scroll for this?
>kill yourself
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>>41631051
>all come back to the european moral and intellectual superiority I postulated earlier,
Just kill yourself. Your in the wrong neighborhood.
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>>41631040
Holy shit my cat looks exactly like that cat
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>>41631081
which one is which?
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>>41630962
>I want to fuck kids
[citation needed]
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The left one would be passed around juvie like a softball at a rug-munchers' convention.
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>>41628783
This doesn't apply you fucking retard.
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>>41631018
Yeah, so today I learned that anon, zz6Lnfpx, is logically inconsistent.
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>>41631101
You could have made the comparison to draconian drinking laws in the US, voting rights, military, etc but you spend hours of your life arguing in favor of fucking 12 year old kids since some are being tried as an adult.

Quite the coincidence, Chaim.
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>>41631051
Yeah, you save all of your pent up anger for foreign nations, like Greece.
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What amount of time would be a suitable punishment?

What amount of time would be in the best interest of public safety?

The latter will change over time but It seems plausible to me that a 12 year old could still be a threat to other people 10 years later, especially if they had a severe mental disorder.

Length of suitable punishment for a child could well be 10 years but after that it's up to the discretion of whomever is reviewing their likelihood of re-offending. In my opinion, for murder the reviewer should have the power to keep them as long as necessary if they are deemed a danger to the public. I see no reason why the maximum sentence should differ from child to adult, only the minimum.
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>>41628259

Why are people so afraid of 2, 12 year olds.
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>>41630743
Did they not. I thought the crime was murdering something.

Why are they sending them to prison?
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>>41631051

>European moral and intellectual superiority

If not for the US keeping it's knee on your necks, you'd be waging another continent-wide war, German.

The last 70 years is the longest you Eurotrash have spent without slaughtering each other en mass for a very long time.

>Wouldn't you say that people who committed no crime should be regarded as innocent?

I would. But I don't see any girls that committed no crimes in the OP's pic.
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>>41631229

Attempted murder.
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>>41631069
nobody has argued in favor of fucking kids. nobody.

you clearly did not comprehend anything
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>>41628259
i'm not for sentencing kids as adults unless it's warrented.
12 year-olds doing something worth 65 years? lets maybe drop it down a skoshe.
>le jew meme
even if a 12yr old stabbed a man 165 times in cold blood they shouldn't get life. they should get some time in prison concurrent with time with a legit shrink. everything i say on /pol/ is truth.
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>>41631150

If you want to commit big boy crimes, then get your big boy pants on because it's time for the long dick of the law.
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>>41630743
Okay, no I don't think they died,

Still,they stabbed someone 19 times.

Not once, not a couple.

19 stab wounds.
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>>41631182
Not a coincidence at all, drinking laws, voting rights and the military are not criminal matters.
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>>41631190
They should be in a mental institution now getting treatment, not to be released earlier than 18, but no sooner than a panel of doctors think that they can reintegrate with society.
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>>41631268
Why so buttmad, pedo? There used to be a place for you faggots that keep shitting up /pol/. It was called anontalk.
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>>41631295
How is underage drinking not a criminal matter when you can be arrested for it? Are all Europeans as retarded as you?
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>>41628962
invaded Russia
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>>41631234
>burgers literally can't stop throwing their children into various meat grinders around the world
>actually start throwing them in prison at younger and younger ages, now that pointless wars aren't en vogue anymore
It would be funny if it weren't so sad. This tragicomedy called USA is perhaps the greatest work of modern art, I'll give you that at least.

>But I don't see any girls that committed no crimes in the OP's pic.
Wait are they trannies? In that case there are of course boys that commited no crime in OP's pic, sorry for the misunderstanding, we just aren't as progressive as you guys so I'm not used to it yet
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>>41631314
>but no sooner than a panel of doctors think that they can reintegrate with society.
I don't trust those panels as far I I can throw a half eaten severed head. Vince Lee cut off some kids head on a greyhound near Winnipeg a few years back. He is now 'rehabilitated' and is free a any other citizen.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Tim_McLean
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>>41628259
I would [spoiler]H[/spoiler]UG the one on left
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>>41628259
lol plan to kill some one for slender man, yeah they need to be locked up
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>>41631276
>i didn't read the story
>oh shit OP didn't post it
>penn.trash.itgoes.jpeg
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>>41631417
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>>41631353
>you can be arrested for underage drinking
Hahahahahaha, good lord is this true?
Every time I think it can't get any more retarded I learn something new about burgerland. Please keep em coming.
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>>41631283
This is my last post in reply to you.

If the individual does not have full rights under the law, the individual does not have full responsibility under the law. This is a fundamental component of justice: with full rights, comes full responsibility, no earlier.

It is logically consistent to say either:

1. Minors ARE NOT mature enough to make the decision to smoke, drink, vote, or engage in sexual relations with an adult, as such they ARE NOT mature enough to be held to the same level of culpability as an adult charged with a capital crime.

2. Minors ARE mature enough to make the decision to smoke, drink, vote, or engage in sexual relations with an adult as such they ARE mature enough to be held to the same level of culpability as an adult charged with a capital crime.

No other position is rational or logically consistent.
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>>41631506
You defend child fucking. Your opinion is invalid.
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God fucking damn britain, do you guys not1ncare about the victims? Dont even let people defend themselves and now you dont even want the guilty to be jailed. Fucking hell.
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>>41628442
>mfw people say candlejack and get taken away but still have time to type "-" at the end of their "cut off" sentence

how the fuck does that make any sen-
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>>41629982
>Those "girls" were northern slags into drugs and kebab fucking.

Especially the 12 year old white slags, am I right brother?

Insha'Allah!
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>>41631518

Okay fag, have a nice night.
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>>41629935
Because the 12 yo is being influenced by another if they engage in sex, but a murder is their own doing.
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>>41631417
We have among the highest number of abortions in the world and dope up the remaining children on SSRIs to keep them quiet and make them sit still. For a country that seems to worship youth, we don't seem to like children very much
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>>41631190

It's not a question of time. Time is an illusion, in place for no better reason than to assure that everything doesn't happen all at once.

What's required here is for some serious professional mind-fuckers to get inside these girls' brains and determine whether or not they are insane, or merely 12.

Of course they are going to be institutionalized until they are 18, that is understood.

The question is, are they going to be institutionalized in a good place that will evaluate their mental health with the goal of re-integrating them into society? Or are they going to be put into a shithole juvie prison that will turn them into completely different people than they might have been.

Punishment is for the guilty. Treatment is for the deluded. These girls are so obviously deluded, it's literally painful. It hurts my soul.

There are numerous documented cases of deluded people returning to reality and leading productive lives.

We have 7 billion people on this planet now. It's easy to say, "Fuck that one." Or in this case, "Fuck those two."

But we are ultimately ALL accountable for how our society treats these two sick young girls.

I, for one, will not be party to their imprisonment. Their treatment, yes. And I want a serious professional to tell me they're okay to come back.

But beyond that, I am quite all right with nipping this whole "trying them as adults" thing right in the bud. It's offensive to me that it's even being considered.
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>>41631541
Even if I did, which I don't, it wouldn't make my opinion invalid.
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>>41628463

Lmao, implying that the American system sends people to jail without trial.
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>>41631602

How about we determine if they are actually deluded first?
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>>41628259
If they were anything, but white this thread would have a totally different tone. in any case 65 years is a bit much I mean they are young maybe they can be saved.
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>>41631668

There's this place on Infinichan you might like. It's called /leftypol/
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>People should be sent to jail for saying mean things but not for killing a person

Is this what Yuropeons actually believe?
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>>41631576
That is what is to be shown. Why do you think they can do the one thing on their own but not the other thing?
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>>41631668
>If they were anything, but white this thread would have a totally different tone

It would have died after three posts. Kek.
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>>41631668
It would not have been any different for me. I don't care what color they are...a 12 year old should never be charged as an adult.
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>>41631740
REKT
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>>41631740

Nobody died.
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>>41631652
>Lmao, implying that the American system sends people to jail without trial
Implying all western countries don't have 'national security' clauses for essentially indefinite detention or life wreckage. Your GCHQ is every bit as bad as the burgerland alphabet agencies, our CSIS and RCMP, and whatever the fuck the call themselves in OZ
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>>41628259
So they didn't even kill the girl? What's the point? Left one is a cutie.
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>>41628399
i dunno m8 i would totally buy the one on the left and make her my cumslut
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>>41631834
she is schizophrenic, she'd eat your dick
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>>41631834
>i would totally buy the one on the left and make her my cumslut
Careful burger your Briton Beach is showing
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>>41628732
>german
>sexually deviant
wow what a shock
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>>41628399
No one even died. I don't know much about this story, but I'm willing to bet the girl they cut up was popular at school with rich, affluent parents.

The two perpetrators probably came from a poor family.
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>>41631602
And this is how we should all behave. Well said anon. Solidarity still lives.
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>>41628259
One that weights up the crime not the suspect.
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>>41631862
anon that's the whole point :^)
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>>41631862
>implying at least a third of /pol/ isn't unironically schizophrenic

Good goy.
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>>41631792

Stabbing someone 19 times is pretty fucking severe. I could understand if they did it once, and then freaked out and stopped.

But 19 times takes some fucking commitment. You know how messy stabbing someone is? Blood. Every. Where.
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>>41631946
At the end of they day, they got THREE LIFE SENTENCES at 12 years old and they didn't even kill anyone (not to mention that they're probably mentally ill). That's extreme.
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>Justice

There is no justice.Only THE LAW.
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>>41631946
>You know how messy stabbing someone is? Blood. Every. Where.


I don't know, why don't you tell us?

Who did you stab to death, how many times did you stab him or her, and just how bloody was it?

Inquiring minds want to know.
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>>41631946
>You know how messy stabbing someone is? Blood. Every. Where.
Jesus..do you premeditated even stab? obviously you come prepared with a change of clothes, and a tarp + lots of bleach, friggin amateur hour here
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>>41631946
did you even read the court proceedings which happened today

http://abcnews.go.com/US/slender-man-stabbing-suspect-expressed-fear-character-kill/story?id=29004277

She said sorry repeatedly as she stabbed her
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>>41631990

No, they didn't kill anybody. They just shoved a sharp metal object in and out of their body 19 times without remorse, and without hesitation.

BUT HEY AT LEAST NOBODY FUCKING DIED
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>>41632002

That is the sad truth.
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>>41628259
The same society that decided putting crazy people in mental asylums was inhumane so now we have a deluge of crazy people committing despicable acts.
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>>41632025
>without remorse, and without hesitation.
>without remorse

Prove or GTFO.
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>>41631518
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>>41632004

A guy I knew was stabbed to death with a screwdriver. 30+ stabs.

>>41632010

>She said sorry repeatedly as she stabbed her

What the actual fuck?
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>>41632049
prison is cheaper
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>>41632025
yeah...that is exactly the point.
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>>41632031
>That is the sad truth.
Justice does happen in the US sometimes, think court room shootings, lynchings etc. I'm to lazy to find some links but I'm sure there are tons. BTW I'm mostly fine with that
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>>41632067
How so, retard?
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>>41632008

If it's premeditated you should probably think of some way to not get blood all over your clothes.
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>>41632073
She is insane. She thought her family would die if she didn't do it
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>>41631886
They were all friends from middle class families.
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>>41629982
I'm glad America Kills your kind
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>>41632133
>If it's premeditated you should probably think of some way to not get blood all over your clothes.
Come on Macedonia, short of wearing a biohazard suit you're going to get messy. Assuming you hate the victim so much you want it up close and personal. I bet Alexander the Great had like 10 changes of clothes per day :P
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>>41632134

Are you basing this on your own feelings about the case, or on a mental health care practitioner's opinion?
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>>41632231

You could wear a raincoat or something.
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>>41631602
This should be standard procedure for any criminal so i don't particularly disagree with you.

The process of institutionalizing them until they are 18 practically serves as their punishment. They will not and should not receive some of the privileges that free and normal people do during that time. Moreso if they are still deemed dangerous or unfit to return to the world and kept away from the public.

The prison systems in both the US and the UK are simply not set up to function with punishment and treatment being one and the same. My concern is that too much focus on the treatment will undermine the punishment just as the punishment undermines any attempt at treatment in conventional prisons.
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>>41631506
actually, you can
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>>41632237
what the attorney is using
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>>41632282
>You could wear a raincoat or something.
Careful, you might be scaring the rest of Europe with comments like that. I can see it now ...the Daily Mail headline..."Raincoats banned in the UK"
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>>41632285

>My concern is that too much focus on the treatment will undermine the punishment just as the punishment undermines any attempt at treatment in conventional prisons.

On this, I actually agree with you.

It's finding that sweet spot that is the challenge. A challenge definitely worth undertaking, but I feel that in the US, at least, we do have overzealous prosecutors who care more about appearing intimidating than making sure the law works towards justice.
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If they're tried as adults, could I fuck the one on the right's ass hole and pussy as if she was an adult? :^)
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>>41631750
Because they willingly did the murder attempt on their own. Making it illegal to have sex with 12 year olds helps protect them from the influence of older folks who might want to take advantage of them.
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>>41632358

But have the facts on their mental health been determined by an unbiased third party?
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>>41632397
>I fuck the one on the right's ass hole and pussy as if she was an adult?
Yup, just treat her like an emu
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>>41632334
This. I actually got a "minor in possession" charge when police searched me and found a bottle of vodka when I was 18. All I had to do was pay a 300 dollar fine and take two drug and alcohol classes. However, you could get up to a week in jail if you're a repeat offender.
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>>41632451
it's similar everywhere. much severe punishment however is for those who sell the alcohol for minors, or share alcohol for minors
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>>41632451
>All I had to do was pay a 300 dollar fine and take two drug and alcohol classes
Jesus fuck, here in the north you just have to watch them pour it out then go buy more. If your 16 and up no one seems to give a fuck anyway
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>>41632431

Now now, Frostback, that's a very dangerous proposition.
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>>41632514
Yeah, it was bullshit but at least they dropped the charges after I paid them shekels and took the classes.
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in regards to the case, I believe that they deserved such harsh punishment. nothing more to add. and the one on the right should go to prison for her face alone
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>>41632540
>but at least they dropped the charges after I paid them shekels and took the classes.
I just can't believe it is an actual criminal charge. Underage drinking is just a civil offence here (meaning a 110$ ticket,) and maybe a night in the drunk tank if you're a dick, and the cops won't drive you home
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>>41632575
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>>41631518
Sorry fella, but one never has the right to murder. So "full rights" claims are just nonsense. And I doubt that the young girl victim feels her 19 stab wounds were less serious because the girls were underage.
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>>41632658
classic. I always thought that Poland and Texas share a lot. It was sort of obvious for me when I watched king of the hill
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also, what is /pol/ opinion on this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Bulger
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>>41632731

I guess. I'm not from Texas.
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>>41632832
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Bulger
>'..with the accused in the dock away from their parents, and the judge and court officials in legal regalia...'
Wow it actually seems like they wanted to get the point across that killing for fun is bad. And then the shit about the EU court decisions, tell Brussels to fuck-off,the UK can govern their own isle (even if Empire was lost :()
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>>41632832
How can one not say that they should be fried? It was a barbaric crime with cunning and significant time lapse involved.
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>>41633055
this case is a perfect example that OP is a moron

>In March 2010, a call was made to raise the age of criminal responsibility in England from ten to 12. Children's commissioner Maggie Atkinson said that the killers of James Bulger should have undergone "programmes" to help turn their lives around, rather than being prosecuted. The Ministry of Justice rejected the call, saying that children over the age of ten knew the difference "between bad behaviour and serious wrongdoing"

also
>On 2 March 2010, the Ministry of Justice revealed that Jon Venables had been returned to prison for an unspecified violation of the terms of his licence of release. The Justice Secretary Jack Straw stated that Venables had been returned to prison because of "extremely serious allegations", and stated that he was "unable to give further details of the reasons for Jon Venables's return to custody, because it was not in the public interest to do so."[84] On 7 March, Venables was returned to prison on suspected child pornography charges
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also, next time some bleeding heart liberal will start a similar thread to defend his qt killers (because that was the real point of this thread),
just post this case as an example of why they are just plain wrong.
there are much more cases like this, but I'm too sleepy to post all of them, but they are easy to find
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>>41633199
>there are much more cases like this
Yeah I can remember a few here in Canada and the US over the last decade, some people are just born monsters and need to be put down. And the defense for the weaker one is always something like 'the older kid told me to' etc, just as much reason for gene pool removal
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>>41633199

You are literally too stupid to live. Kill yourself immediately if you really care about mankind.
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>>41633316
the only person who should kill himself for the benefit of mankind is you. also, stop flaming, the thread will be archived soon
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>>41632832
I think the events that followed the 8 year sentence show why we need to take a harsh stance on repeat offenses for violent criminals.

By all means rehabilitate and reeducate them but make it clear that they've been given their chance and will be on very thin ice should they commit any future offenses.
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>>41633347

LOL..polacks.

Here's a protip, dumbass: there are no "killers" involved in this case. There is an attempted murder. 12-year-old girls are only marginally capable of actual murder. But by all means, archive it.
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>>41633488
>we need to take a harsh stance on repeat offenses for violent criminals.
I can agree with this. Every case should be treated individually, though depending on the brutality of the committed crime.

The OP girls should really be happy that their victim survived.
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>>41631769
yeah they should be given a another shot for sure.
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>>41631726
case in point.
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>>41633504
I shouldn't respond to your spastic faggotry, but a reminder that Oystein Aarseth died with 23 stab wounds, and he was an adult. 19 stab wounds on a little girl...
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and by archived I meant that we are on page 9 already
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>>41633593

Hey, if you really want to spend your time making the case that two girls who were into Star Trek and Harry Potter somehow have some level of adult guilt over this crime, then go for it.

I know 12-year-olds. They are ALL deluded to some extent - not all of them into the realm of the supernatural - but none of them have a concept of the adult value placed on human life.

You are an asshole, plain and simple.
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>>41633504
>12-year-old girls are only marginally capable of actual murder.
You sir are fucking retarded. 'marginally capable' as in the victim lucked out and no major artery was cut.
>honestly judge, I know human anatomy and I meant to miss 19 fucking times
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Apparently one of them didn't even feel remorse about stabbing her own best friend. I'm fine with this, they're clearly gonna grow up to be psychos anyway
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>>41633699
>but none of them have a concept of the adult value placed on human life.
that's some really bad parenting. I mean really BAD parenting
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After reading that one link talking about the father and mother, I think it's absolutely their fault.
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>>41633731

I'm not saying the victim wasn't lucky. I'm saying she didn't die.

Here's the breakdown:

Victim Dies = Murder
Victim Doesn't Die = Attempted Murder

Don't be obtuse. Yeah, they were trying to kill her. But they're 12 years old and it didn't work out.

Lucky for the victim. And lucky for the perpetrators.

But bottom line, it isn't a murder, and the attempts of some people ITT to turn it into a murder fairly reeks of media brainwashing.

Turn your finger back toward yourself - a false accusation is as deplorable as any other crime..
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>>41633749
>that's some really bad parenting. I mean really BAD parenting
I agree 100%. But Poland you should really not expect 'merrican to agree with anything you say, it's a natural reaction to disagree with anything (especially europe) said. Full disclosure here, I have a Polish cleaning lady, 120$/month she does a great job.
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>>41633965
that's good for her. my grandma was a cleaning lady in usa. she told me a plenty of stories about americans. but yeah, there is something about americans that they love the killers. didn't one of the serial killers who killed plenty of women get a lovemail in prison?
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>>41633942
Just because someone is incompetent in their effort to commit a murder does not make them a better person. They should be convicted for what they intended to do.
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>>41634022
>didn't one of the serial killers who killed plenty of women get a lovemail in prison?
Ted Bundy is the most famous I think:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Bundy
and there are a lot more examples of this
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>>41634078
this is something of a phenomenon in US. I'm not a fan of marilyn manson, but he is a good example of this fascination with serial killers, and fucked up people in general
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>>41634107
>this is something of a phenomenon in US.
We've had a few here in Canada, Paul Bernardo and Karla Homolka come to mind. Karla was kinda hot, so I could see her cult following. She raped and killed her own sister (among others) with Bernardo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karla_Homolka
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>>41634182
>Karla Homolka
that face. she knows
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>>41634052

What do you know about what kind of people they are?

Some people are so committed to their ideals that they kill in the furtherance of them. Some of those people are your heroes.

These girls did not randomly target their victim. She was a friend. But they were so DELUDED that they believed killing this girl would somehow prevent the murder of their own families. Or MAYBE they simply believed that this is what must be done to join hand with the Slender Man, or whatever.

Point being, they are not simply killers. They had a reason, and that reason derived from their pre-pubescent delusions about reality

Has it ever occurred to you for even one moment to stop being such a fuck, and start being human?

The girl did not die. The explanation for the attempted murder is bizarre, but clear.

These girls need help, not punishment - they are not mature enough to merit punishment, they are children with the thoughts of children. Who are you to say otherwise?

Get a grip. Your personal agenda is not relevant. The only thing that's relevant is that here are two young, naive American girls gone crazy. Now, what can we do to fix that? NOT what can we do to punish them.
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>>41634242
there always has to be a reason, right?

anyway, since everything is already said, some famous killer from poland
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karol_Kot
commonly known as Vampire from Cracow
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>>41634230
>that face. she knows
10/10 for drinks rufies and a hate fuck
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