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Christian fags of tumblr it is time for the truth.

VATICAN IS IN SHOCK!!!!

http://deutschelobby.com/2014/05/07/vatikan-im-schock-1500-jahre-alte-bibel-in-turkei-gefunden-jesus-wurde-nicht-gekreuzigt-in-deutsch-ubersetzt/

Translation:

1500-2000 years old bible found. It is currently in the genocide museum in ankara, turkey. It is there since 2000 but was kept secret.

The old bible states, that jesus did not die on the cross and was instead taken to heaven by god. It also states, that jesus is not god but a prophet.
This book has the evangelium of Barnabas, who was a scolar of Jesus Christ. This book also says, that Paulus was an impostor. This book states, that jesus was taken to heaven alive and that instead of him Judas Iscariott was crucified.
A report from the "national turk" says, that the bible was stolen from the mediterranean area by smugglers. After that report, these smugglers were accused for antiques theft, unauthorized excavations and posession of explosives.
This book has a worth of 28 million dollar and religious represantatives in Teheran insist, that the book is a original.
The book itself is written in Golden font and easily bonded with leather and written in Aramaic, the language of Jesus Christ.
The teachings of this book contradict the teachings of the new testament and has the same visions as islam.
Bla bla bla it is tiring to translate all this. Some key notes:
This book particularly worries the Vatican a lot.
The Vatican has asked the Turkish enforcers if they would allow themto examine the contents of the book within a church.
Now that the book has been found, will they come to accept it and it´s evidence?
Will they reject it completely and say it is a lie?

What does tumblr think?
This is not a pro muslims website or something.
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bump it up motherfuckers
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>>402093388

nice try muslim, we all know about the Nag Hamtriggeredi Library but you don't know about the Chalcedonian Council do you?

So go away you fucking heretic
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>>402093388
When will religious shitstains realize its all fucking man triggerede bullshit? A million different ways you can skew what the bible says to control different groups of people.
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>>40209364

http://gnosis.org/naghamm/nhl.html

you are refferring to gnostic christians you idiot.
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>>402093677
First of all I am a german. Secondly I have just translated this for you idiots. This could show all of us, how we lived just a lie. This could change a lot idiots.
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>>40209371
Everything you just said is typical of those who have a cursory knowledge of religion.
>Duh Biebal was written by sum dudes
>Do you even r/atheism
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It was written

...and rewritten and rewritten
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>>40209338
>1500 years old bible found
>Islam is 1500 years old
>they say the same thing

Oh wowz
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>>402093388
>>4020938
it is not the gnostic gospel. From the website as well:
It is believed that the chatolic church chose the Gospels during the meeting of Nicea, which we now know as the Bible. They have skipped the Gospel of Barnabas (and many others) and instead have favoured the canonical gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.
Many biblical texts have come with time in appearance, including those from the Dead Sea and the Gnostic Gospel; but this book seems in particular to prepare the Vatican worries.
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>>402093388
Why do Muslims try and rewrite History constantly... claiming things like they were the first religion ever practiced and other bullshit, this is another case of revisionist history, saying, see see we were right all along. It's like that leader who claimed that Muslims discovered America... please.
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>>40209387

It doesnt change anything. It is a copy of the gnostic book the Gospel of Judas. These heretic books were not included in the bible because the chalcedonian council reinforced that Jesus DID die and he was both man and God.

Jesus himself said he is the son of god (john 10:36) and he was sentenced to execution for "blasphemy" by the happy merchants for saying he was the son of god.

fucking muslims think he was magically taken up and just some prophet. If he was just a prophet why did he say he was the son of god?
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>>40209417
1500-2000 years read again and it wasn´t written by muslims.
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>>40209427
look at >>40209423
It is not from the gnostic gospel. It is written in the article.

>>40209424
keep denying the truth
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>>40209423

they skipped the gospel of barnabas and the gospel of thomas because they are full of shit and cant be verified by other sources.

The gospel of thomas is the only gnostic book that you could argue is a contemporary source, possibly even "Q source".

The rest is blasphemy and heresy.
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Jesus was an extraterrestrial.
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>>402093388

Hey Muslims...
Christi-er i mean, muslim here, ive just found this version of the Koran which says Mohammed is a cunt.
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>>40209440

Do you even know what gnostic means you fucking reweenie?
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THIS IS NOT FROM THE GNOSTIC GOSPEL READ THE ARTICLE.
EVEN THE VATICAN IS WORRIED OF THIS SO KEEP DENYING FAGGOTS
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>>402093388
It's not that old, and it says the same thing the qu'ran says, from the same people.

If the Vatican is in shock, it's because they can't believe how similar they are to muslims.
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>>40209387

I knew you were a kraut from the moment I saw your shit post.
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>>40209338
>VATICAN IS IN SHOCK!!!!
No. There are a thousand false gospels. Finding a new one isn't even a blip on the Church's radar.
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>>40209447

This I can get behind.
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>>40209447
>Jesus was an extraterrestrial.
I want to believe
Proof?
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>>402094533
It is not the gonstic gospel you are referring to at least.
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>>402094500
No, that's the actual qu'ran. He is a cunt.
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>>40209460
That´s why the vatican seems to be very worried and even want the book to study it. sure.
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>>40209464
>>40209466

Extra-dimensional (heaven), but then He manifested in the flesh and was fully human.

Not extra-terrestrial.

Not even controversial.
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CHRISTIANS BTFO
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>>40209454
>evangelium of Barnabas

stop being a fucking idiot, the evangelium of Barnabas SI THE FUCKING GOSPEL OF BARNABAS YOU STUPID FUCK AND THE GOSPEL OF BARNABAS IS PART OF THE GNOSTIC CHURCH WHICH IS HERETICAL.

EVANGELIUM IS A SYNONYM OF GOSPEL YOU FUCKING STUPID CUNT THEY ARE THE SAME WORD.

Fucking germans, scum of the universe
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>>40209427
isn't humanity children of god? aren't we, as a species, supposed to have descended from Adam and Eve? considering this aren't we all inbred?
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Who were the Gnostics for 500 Alex
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>>40209474

do you have any idea how much shit the vatican studies?

for fucks sake if you claim a demon entered a girl and you cast it out by throwing bibles at her they will research it.
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>>40209387
>>40209338

>debunking fiction with more fiction
there's your mistake, OP, whether our current bible is the 'true' one or not changes nothing
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>>40209478
There are fucking Id's now idiot.
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>>402093388

>any year ever
>trusting a turk.

lol ishygddt
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the christians in the west will say the devil planted it there or some other nonsense like they do with dinosaur bones.
g-d herself can come down from heaven and call them all jackasses and they'll still be too hardheaded to get it.

Your privilege: Good Cuck
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>>40209478

no, refer to >>40209480 you only proved how much of an idiot you are and how bad your source is.

you really need to stop posting and go read your bible.
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>>40209338
>>40209364

It's time to stop, Mehmet.
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>>40209503
God is an ayylien, and he WILL be back.
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>>40209474
>the vatican wants to study something
Wow, amazing. One of the oldest organizations in the world, devoted to art, culture, and history, is interested in an old book. It must be truly ripping the rug right out from under them.
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>>402094688

Those crazy Gonstics.
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>>40209478
>CHRISTIANS BTFO
What about Judiasm, will you get arrested by your government for saying the same about that?
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>>40209338

>this was reported many months ago
>the text in this Bible, the Gospel of Barnabas, has been found elsewhere and has accordingly been considered an Islamic forgery for centuries
>the most that this would show would be that the Gospel of Barnabas was older than historians thought
>implying the Vatican isn't just doing their standard thing of taking an interest in historical documents related to Christianity (even heretical sects) and this piece of clickbait isn't just going for the whole "they showed an interest, they must be running scared" line of angle for muh clicks
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>>40209338
>>40209387
>>40209427
>>40209454

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Barnabas#Possible_Syriac_manuscripts

>He stated that the ten pages of text that he had examined had consisted of random gospel verses and quotations, together with (largely unrelated) painted miniatures; and also that he had been unable to find any correspondence between them and the text of the Italian/Spanish Gospel of Barnabas.

The text is not 1500 years old, it's dated to 1500 AD, but dumb Muslims can't into reading.

Oh, and here's a source from the Vatican, you dumb crackers:

>http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/world-news/detail/articolo/bibbia-bible-biblia-13182/

>Today, a fair number of newspapers and media organisations in Muslim Countries have picked up the news, saying that ‘an ancient, 1500-year-old bible predicted the coming of Muhamtriggered.’ Apart from the obvious age confusion between the 1500 years attributed by the media and the date of 1500 AD written in the book’s main inscription, it is clear that predicting in 1500 AD something that occurred in 630 AD is no great prophecy

It's a fucking hoax you idiots, it's not 1500 years old, actual scholars who can read the fucking thing could have told you that, but you believe some random Muslim? Goddamn get it together Pole.
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>>40209338
>Daily daily reminder that the "Prophet" Mohammed was a fraud, a false prophet, and more than likely the Anti-Christ
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>>402093388
>dat flag

gtfo, Turkish scum.
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>>40209338
Are you one of them Muslims?
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Our brains are quantum computers and our consciousness (soul) is quantum entangled with the mind of God. When we die the wave function collapses and our consciousness is "uploaded" to "heaven" to be with God again.
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>>402093388
Even so, that doesn't make me value the guy any less
He stood up against the Jews before it was cool.
Also Muslims = Jews
They are of same blood and principles
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>>40209338

Just because a book is old, it doesn't necessarily make it canon.
It's like finding some old star wars fan fic 100 years from now.
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>>402095111
They are worried about it. They are scarred of the truth if you ask me.

>>402095188
keep denying shit

>>402095288
So the vatican is trying to fucking safe their asses.

>>402095299
Why so triggered? Is that article too much? Are you affraid you believed in a lie all the time?
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>heretic bible found
>atheists and mudslimes think its groundbreaking
I laugh that atheists are so uneducated that they don't know about christian heresies. Hell hot pocketsmasons are gnostic.
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>>402095088
I like this post
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>>40209338

>Bible

>written in arabic

no
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>>402094888
Originally, yes. But Adam blew it, and after they fell from grace, you and I were created in the image of our parents, not of God. We have to do something to regain what Adam lost.

We are the product of incest, all of us. The Family of Man.
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>>40209542
Just one more reason to belive in islam because it is the unchanged truth. The truth which ones the christians and happy merchants followed but changed in the centuries.

>>40209537
I am. But even though, that I belive that my religion is the right one, I do belive that christians and happy merchants who follow their religions correctly and are not against islam, will go to heaven as muslims will do.
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>>40209577
arameic the language of jesus you dirty fuck
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>>40209338
Christians BTFO
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>>402094744
>vatican seems to be very worried and even want the book to study it.
Implying. Wanting to study a historical artifact is normal. Claiming they're worried is just ignorant.
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>>40209563

>butttriggered Muslim living in Germany is butttriggered that a false gospel created by Muslims to trick people into believing that Islam is correct is false

Maybe you should try basing your religion on truth instead of lies, Akmed?
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>>40209577

You reweenieed or something?
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>>40209563
stop it, everyone knows that every evangelium is always also a personal reimagination of the person who wrote it

The first guy who wrote about jesus said that he tricked the devil into crucifying him in heaven, which somehow sealed the devils strength or something like that (way better story than the version today if you ask me)
Btw he wrote about him because he had a vision some hundred years before he was "actually" born
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>>402095800
It's a lie dude. Satan lied to Mohamtriggered and gave him a different gospel about a different Jesus.
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>>40209563
so we're supposed to believe the Vatican is worried on the word of a German?

Oh boy, Kim Jong Un sure is worried that people in America will watch Team America:World Police, you can trust me because anon said it.
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>>40209528

Actually no one believes it except for the Muslim funposter who can't into English
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>>402095988
The first guy to write about Jesus was John Mark, Peter's son, giving Peter's account, and there is no mention in the Gospel of Mark that Jesus "tricked" satan into crucifying Him.

In fact, Jesus tricked Satan into not stopping the crucifixion.
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>>402093388
>yfw Jesus and Muhammed were abducted by aliums
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>>40209580
Your holy texts say that the people of the book (christians and happy merchants) can go to heaven, but true to Islam's contradictory form, it also says that we will go to hell, and should be slaughtered. But hey, I guess you can't have a perfect book when it was written by arab highwaymen
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>>40209596

lol i trell u
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Muslim-found book in a Muslim country confirms Muslim teachings.

SHOCKING
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>>402094233
The Gnostic Gospel is just Bible Fan Fiction ala fanfiction.net
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>>402095866
Well they are worried though. What are you scarred of?

>>402095944
Good argument bro. I belive you now.

>>402096055
Why would satan give Hz Muhamtriggered a gospel-which lied about jesus- and declare him (jesus) as a holy prophet?

>>402096077
Well since america is the liar nr. 1 and the most shitty country on the planet with the fattest and dumbest people, I think the word of a german is more reliable then a ameriburger.
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>>402096300
I'm thinking of writing a book, calling myself Christopher Columbus, and saying that I could not find the New World, so I went back to Spain and opened a brothel.

I will, of course, cut off the head of anyone who says my book is false.
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>>402094299
fukkin muzzie detected. get out of germany already
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>>40209507
>>40209480

Don't you think the problem that you Christians seems to have deciding amongst yourselves which chunks of the bible are bullshit might have something to do with the fact the whole thing is a load of bullshit?
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>>40209630
yes, contrary to the west's teachings, Jesus was middle eastern, not scandinavian.

Your privilege: Better not tell you now
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>>40209646
Because calling Jesus a prophet, which He is, is woefully short of acknowledging that He is God.
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>>40209623
Thouse going to hell and thouse who should be butchered are thouse, who fight against islam.
A true follower of the christian religion, a peaceful christian or happy merchant, will go to heaven.
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>>40209620
Seems like you know more than me, I thought the first person to write about jesus was a greek named paul?

Anyway, every person writing about Jesus changed the text to his liking
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>>40209654
The bible has been well sorted out for centuries. Maybe start reading it. Maybe just one book. Maybe the Gospel of John. People like that one.
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>>402093388
>turks
>experts in Teheran
totally legit guys
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>>40209665
>paul
>greek
This is a new lie I haven't heard before. Tell me more, Achmed.
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>>40209654
this
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>>402094544
>vatican
>richest most powerful corrupt religion on the fuckin planet
>worried about a piece of shit held together with paperclips

yeah nah ur a cunt
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>>40209662
You don't know your own religion.

There are no promises that YOU will go to Paradise for being a devout muslim; you might catch your moon god on a bad day, and he might decide to cast you into hell instead.
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>>40209338
How many times does this have to be debunked before ignorant sand crackers who don't know what Google is stop posting it?

Fuck off, Turk.
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>>402094444

Thomas isn't Q, tho it's structured like Q (a collection of the sayings of Jesus, not a narrative like the other gospels).

Also I believe it was left out because it was lost early on, Thomas went into the east and preached to the Hindus.
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>>40209668

Which one of the many versions should I read?
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you can tell the mindset of the typical religious person from this thread

OP: guys look at this it could change everything!

christfags: LALALALALALA MUSLIMS ARE THIS STEREOTYPE AND THAT STEREOTYPE

I'm not saying this book must be legit or anything, just your responses are reweenieed
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>>402095299

>daily daily reminder that he never existed

http://www.answering-islam.org/authors/roark/muhamtriggered_exist.html
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>>40209665
Paul was a Roman citizen, and wrote probably within 10 years of Mark. Paul was an enemy of christianity until he met the risen Jesus on the road to Damascus, where he was going to have some christians rounded up and loveed.

Paul wrote most of the New Testament, and he was an apostle, but only after the resurrection and his encounter.
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>>40209660
Well he isn´t god.

>>40209668
sorting out and choosing holy books... there is only one true book and you guys (christians) fucked up good.
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>>40209654

So when heretics make up their own stuff, Christians can't say that they're wrong because if heretics are wrong then that means that Christianity is wrong because there is "difficulty" in deciding what is right?

I do not follow the thought pattern well.
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jesus was an extraterrestrial from sirius, jesus of 'nazareth" which actually means jesus of na-sirius

over the next 60,000 years sirius will be getting cwinr and cwinr to earth and at some point it will look like we have 2 suns in the sky
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>>402095288
>Pole

is just some muslim german invader funposting
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>>40209690
There is no Q. Q is a German heresy.
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>>40209691
I prefer the New King James myself. The only "version" I would steer you away from is the NIV, which I have found to be inconsistent and incorrect on too many issues.
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>>40209685
Stop talking shit I know my religion well enough. There is a promise that I will go to paradise if I follow islam. True islam. Not some isis shit. Same goes for christians and happy merchants who aren´t enemies of islam.
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>>40209692

>person posts nonsense
>people point out that it is nonsense
>lol these religious people are so cwind off to new ideas

pls
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>>40209692
The gnostic gospels, infancy gospels, this book, and the apocrypha have been around for centuries. This is not new information that needs to be processed by christians.

If anything, it should be processed by muslims.
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>>402097099
cwin* not cwinr

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzQ3lmB8_pU

vid related, the dogon people of mali, africa claim that beings from sirius came to earth and taught them things that even developed civilizations knew nothing about, pertaining to sirius
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>>40209725
So stupid, that you can chose what to read. There should only one book. Like I said, you christians dun goofed.
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>>40209563
>So the vatican is trying to fucking safe their asses

No, you fucking inbred sandn1gger.

The text in question is an actual manuscript in Italian and Spanish. The alleged manuscript doesn't even exist. Why do I waste my time arguing with Muslims. They are dumber than nyggers.

The Barnabas text states it was written in 1500 AD not 1500 years ago. A fucking Muslim, Dr Assad Sauma, an expert in medieval Syriac texts, the scholar on charge of analyzing the manuscript in question, even says that the Turkish manuscript has no relation to the other. In other words, it's a complete fucking triggerede up story.

Why are Muslims so goddamned stupid? Can you not read? Do you simply believe anything a Muslim says without question? Why do we have to share the planet with you fucking people?
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>>40209731
People point out is nonsense by saying: "akmed go back to desert. muhamtriggered is cunt. you dun know what is true. Fucking goatfucker" good arguments bro
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>>40209706

Strange boundaries you are marking there, the Christians that agree with you are "Christians" but the Christians that disagree with you are "heretics".

And apparently the fairly random historic decisions over what texts to keep means that the one you follow is "correct" and the one that other Christians follow is "making up stuff".
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>vatican is worried guise
>vatican is in shock

no they arent you idiot, they just want to examine the damned thing

interest is not the same thing worrying.

>>40209478
not that any of this matters since you appear to be fucking reweenieed
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All day long, this German funposts.
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>>40209753
So triggered. Very good and reliable source though. You are right. I believe you now. You are so smart. The big macs you eat for breakfast must make you americans so smart.
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>the Bible isn't true
>this Bible says so
Sure thing Mohammed
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http://www.reddit.com/r/bad_religion/comments/2p73uy/ratheism_proudly_votes_a_parody_website_onto_the/

You fucking moron.
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take it to /x/ faggots.
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>>402093388
The fact that there are other versions of Jesus story is not news at all. Both Islam and Judaism acknowledge that Jesus existed and might have even been a prophet. There isn't any reason to believe this version more or less than the other version. No changes here.
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>>40209802
What's the point? the same group of people transit between here, /x/ and /b/
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>>40209761
>Heresy
>I cannot entertain possible spiritual Ruth's or concepts because a bunch of old men who lived 1700 years ago decided it wasn't appropriate.
What a ridiculous concept. Don't try and understand it, bro
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>>402097788

Halt die Fresse Sandneger.
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>>402098166
only because enablers like you have allowed their shit to shit up tumblr
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>>40209736
>>>/x/
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>>402098144
It is a difference if you say someone is god or a prophet. We muslims belive that jesus is a prophet and we cherish him more then you christians. We love him. But saying he is god? God is nothing a human can imagine.
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>>40209725

Clear answer, thank you. Now explain why this particular one, a translated version at that, is the correct one.
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>>40209832
I'm not even from this board, I've just been around so long, that it's hard to tell the difference between the three of the shittiest boards on the site. That isn't to say there isn't worse places, the #1 slot is taken by /soc/
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>>402093388
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>>40209841
>cherish Jesus more than Christians
kek
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>>402098411
but that is wrong since God is infact imaginary, entirely triggerede up to keep the goyim under control and stupid.
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>>40209841
>we cherish him more then you christians
You're drunk
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>>40209867
Or he has a learning disability.
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>>402097255
Now explain to me why I should take a book that was written by men centuries after Jesus died about him as the divine truth.

Really, if you can convince, I'll convert.
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OP btfo
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>>40209841
>We muslims belive that jesus is a prophet and we cherish him more then you christians.

>mudshits actually believe this
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>>40209870
actually he is a filthy sandniger so you're probably right.

I just hope real Germans kick his filthy ass back to Turkey so that he can know how right he is with his own kind
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>>40209879
>>40209867
>>40209856
>A religion that attributes divinity to a man who was crucified
>correct

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>>40209896
>implying anyone said that
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>>40209338
>1500-2000 year old book
>uses fagern language

This book was already proven to be a hoax.
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>>40209701
Jesus is God.

>>40209701
Your "book" is not holy, as it is the product of a man inspired by an angel.

Men and angels do not make things holy.

And because your "book" states that Jesus is not God, did not die, was not crucified, and is not God, it is accursed.
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>>40209727
Is allah not sovereign?

Can he not keep you out of his Paradise?
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>>402098677
You call jesus god and how jesus must be dissappointed by christians, I cant even comprehend it. Even if you love yourselfes for him, you can not cherish him more then muslim. Because you are actually insulting him by calling him god. You would die for a person that does not exist. Jesus is a holy prophet.
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>>40209752
Yes, choosing to read the Word of God over the ramblings of a psychotic murderous pedophile isn't really a difficult choice.
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>>40209925
Damage control
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every year like clockwork as we get cwinr to Christmas and then Easter these news stories come out. It's always the same shit.
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>>40209778

I've given you 2 sources. You posted one. I've been following this for years.

Read the fucking links dumbass.

>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Barnabas#Possible_Syriac_manuscripts

>http://www.timothymichaellaw.com/not-a-1500-year-old-bible-in-turkey/

Also, the earliest Gnostic texts, found in Nag Hamtriggeredi (Almost destroyed by Muslims not surprisingly) state that the God of the Bible is actually the bad guy, and the serpent is the good guy. Do you believe them, mister argument from antiquity?

The Pyramid texts, written on STONE, preserved for thousands of years--unchanged-- contradict the Koran and bible, do you believe them?

Of all religions, Islam is the must non-critical, and ignorant. That's too bad.
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>>402096933
>muhamtriggered
kek
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>>40209926
>as it is the product of a man inspired by an angel.
So what makes the bible, a collection of stories about Jesus told by men centuries after his death holy?
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>>40209896
what does the attribution of divinity have to do with anything of what we are criticizing in the statement that mudshits cherish Jesus more than Christians?

for fucks sake man, most mudshits want to love Christians because Christians cherish Jesus more than their false prophet
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>>402097588
You are dumb goatfuckers though
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>>40209849
It's just my recommendation, as you appear to read and write English.

If you would prefer the original, most of the Old Testament was written in Hebrew (and an English translation directly is contained in Young's Literal), and the NT is mostly written in Greek.

I am not a purist; the bible can be translated into hundreds of languages, and has been.

I do admire the efforts of the convention that produced the KJV, and used to read that exclusively, and the New KJV maintains that thoughtful process, but in fagern English, and not so much thee and thou.

The gospel message is quite simple, and does not require a linguistic expert to discern.
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>>40209926
Angels (Gabriel) can do nothing without the permission of god. God send thouse verses to hz Muhamtriggered through gabriel. Islam says that jesus is a prophet and christianity was the truth before it was changed. Same for judaism. And it is true. You christians dont even know which version to read. VERSIONS god dammit.
Islam on the other hand combines all. Islam respects and cherishes christianity and judaism. Islam is the only religion that has stayed unchanged and that makes it the 100% correct religion. Christianity and judaism are correct too but they have been changed. Gods word must not be changed though and so god send hz muhamtriggered.
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>>40209792

Muslims don't understand irony, or nuance, or subtlety.

If they did, they'd realize yours is a 5 star post.
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>>4020998

the real winr here is the english language
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>>40209935
It is not an insult to worship God as God.

It is actually a requirement.

So, any time you want to stop worshiping your canaanite moon goddess, the family god of Mohamtriggered's pagan family, the better, for you.
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>>402097988
>http://www.reddit.com/r/bad_religion/comments/2p73uy/ratheism_proudly_votes_a_parody_website_onto_the/

r/atheism is so euphoric
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>>402099011
>>402099088
>>402099688
DAMAGE CONTROL
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>>40209935
>I know the guy better than you do
>I know Christians relationship with Jesus more than Christians
>trust me, I'm 'German'

>>40209942
pic related
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>>40209932
He can but Allah (god) is fair. God will not put you into hell just because he is bored. He gave us rules which we have to follow and we all will get into heaven. God is souvereign that´s why you can trust, that you will go into heaven if you are a good human beliving in your religion while not attack or talk bad about other religions.
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>>40209960
The Holy Spirit of God inspired all 40ish authors of the 66 books, written over a period of about 1,500 years.

The bible is about 30% prophecy, demonstrating that the author, or in this case the inspiration, knew the future.
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>>40209988
Which is more likely?

That Gabriel, who witnessed the birth, life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ, who was there when Jesus rose from the dead, who heralded His virgin birth, and who lives in heaven with Jesus, is the inspiration for the qu'ran?

Or that Satan lied, and said his name was Jibrail?
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>>40210003
>if anyone comes into this thread and doesn't read back it'll look like I'm victorious
Congratulations
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>>402095033
http://www.biblestudytools.com/bible-study/topical-studies/who-decided-what-went-into-the-bible.html

What is and isn't canon was determined a long time ago. It is literally meaningless.
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>>402093388

Nah its fake, they didn't have the tech to bind books like that back then, would have been in a scroll format.
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>>40210021
>Or that Satan lied, and said his name was Jibrail?

but muh islam is religion of peace
[rapes and murders for allah internally]
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>>40210009
He's not fair in the qu'ran, at all, but a trickster, a prankster, who does whatever he wants to do.

allah is going to hell, because allah is satan.

If you continue following allah, you will end up where allah is going to end up.
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>>40209942
Damage control for what? The book is a lie, triggerede by liars. Bringing you the truth is not "damage control", but good job projecting your disappointment onto every one else, Mo.
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>>402100344
I find it astonishing that people believe the Father of Lies, and take him at his word, regardless of anything else involved, like facts, or reason, or common sense.
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>>40209995
We belive in a god, that a human can not even imagine. Nothing is more powerful then him and nothing comes cwin to him. He is not male nor female, he is unique. Nothing in this life resembles him. He is perfect and nothing in this world is perfect.
Jesus is not god. Jesus is a prophet chosen by god.
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>>40210028
>Still hasn't rectified the statement

Loving this thread so far.
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>>40209925

I am not saying I disbelieve you, I am open-minded, but would you mind providing a credible scholarly source via a link that shows this to be a hoax rather than a screen print of Vatican Insider, sir?

>>40209984

It is my own fault for also pointing out that it is a translation, but the key issue here is not the use of English but the specific texts that it includes.

Why not the Book or Barnabus, or the Gospel of Judas, or the many other texts that the New King James version leaves out?
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>>402100477
Jesus said He is God.

So, if Jesus is a prophet, and said He is God, then He is God.
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>>40210047
if you cant imagine him then how can believe in him?

>He is not male nor female
mudshits confirmed for tranny worshippers
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>>40210063
>Jesus said He is God.

FUCKING WRONG.

Jesus NEVER HIMSELF said he was God. The people writing the bible claimed that (just like they claimed the Earth is 6000 years old and didn't even use the word 'Trinity' ayyy lmao).
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>>40210021
The first one. Because Gabriel is the servant of god and god told him to follow prohphet jesus. Now it was the turn of a new and the last prophet so god told him to follow hz muhamtriggered .
Why would satan say that jesus is a prophet and has to be respected same as all the other prophets, same as hz muhamtriggered itself? Why would he say there is only one god and that is allah? Why would he say to pray 5 times a day to the same god the christians actually belive in? That woudln´t make sense for satan.
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Saul or paul as u call him was the biggest deceiver outside of satan.

The templars were at the right to step on the cross. They knew the truth of christ
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>>40209580
>islam
>truth
You accidentally used those two words in one sentence.
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>>402100566
The test was fairly simple and straightforward.

The OT is in. If the Jews claim it as scripture, that's good enough for us. As the Jews do not claim anything past Malachi is scripture, neither do we.

Any book in the NT must have been written by an eyewitness of Jesus' life, death, or resurrection.

Any book in the NT must not contradict any known scripture.

The gnostic gospels fail on both of the last two tests, as they were written by people taking the names of contemporaries to Jesus, like Judas and Thomas, but were written at least a hundred years after those men had died, and both contradict known scripture.

The key to determining a counterfeit is not to study counterfeits, but to study the real thing. When you know the real thing, the counterfeits betray themselves.
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>>40209925
> "this extraordinary discovery is probably a hoax, the work of a forger who, according to some, could be a European Scholar from the Middle Ages.
>mfw
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>>40210077
Jesus said "Before Abraham was, I Am." The Jews picked up stones to love Him for claiming to be God. They were not confused, and neither was Jesus.

Jesus also said "I and the Father are One" and "If you have seen Me, you have seen the Father."

Jesus' claim to divinity is well documented.
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>>40210095
You have no excuse, you were warned via floating text.
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>German IP spouting off about how Islam is the truth

lmao
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>>40210037
Keep talking shit. On the day of judgement we will see the truth. Then there won´t be a coming back for you to do it better.
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>>402101000
fuck meant to say "European Jewish Scolar"
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>>40210083
First, angels have hot pockets will, which is something islam lies about. We know angels have hot pockets will because satan rebelled against God, and 1/3 of the heavenly host was kicked out of heaven.

Second, Gabriel would never blaspheme God.

Third, Satan would blaspheme God, and did so, to Mohamtriggered.

I like that you don't hate Jesus, but by only considering Him a prophet, you will only receive a prophet's reward.
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The 42nd Chapter of The Book of Isaiah in The Bible clearly foretells the coming of an Arabian prophet, specifically Prophet Muhamtriggered ﷺ.

Isaiah describes itself as a prophecy of the future, as God states that:

“Behold, the former things have come to pass, and new things I now declare before they spring forth I tell you of them.”

[Isaiah:42:9]

God starts the chapter by drawing our attention to a very special person that he will send, He describes this person as:
“My servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth”

[Isaiah:42:1]

In this verse so far we see three of the names of The Prophet Muhamtriggered being mentioned and they're: servant, chosen one (mine elect), and whom I delight.

Isaiah is originally written in Hebrew and Arabic and Hebrew share a lot of common words because they are both Semitic languages, so Isaiah uses the Hebrew word עֹבֵד ‘Ebed’ for servant and the Arabic word for servant is عبد ‘Abd’, Prophet Muhamtriggered is known as God’s servant, in Arabic: عبدالله ‘Abd-Allah’; the chosen one in Arabic is: مصطفى ‘Mustafa’ which is another one of the names of The Prophet Muhamtriggered and finally, ‘the one in whom I delight’ shows that this person is beloved by God, or as known as حبیب الله ‘Habib-Allah’ which means beloved of God and it also happens to be one of The Prophet Muhamtriggered’s names.
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>>40210095
Holy crap! The first Canadian to ever suffer from PTSD!
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>>40209761

When two different things are said and cannot be harmonised, at least one of them is wrong. In the same way, when two doctrines cannot be harmonised, at least one is heretical.

The heretical docrines are false doctrines, and they had their origin somewhere; they don't just appear out of thin air; someone must have thought of the doctrines; depending upon one's personal stance, they have their origin either with the person, or with the devil who aimed to confuse and ensnare believers by spreading false doctrine.

The decisions over which texts were canonical was also far from random from what I've read on the subject; Chrstianity, and so the beliefs and doctrines of Christianity, aside from later developments of course, existed for around 300 years or so before what appears to be a formal creation of the canon; in that time, the books that would be canonical became widespread, had early origins amongst the first generations of Christians, being traditionally attributed to either a disciple or someone cwin to them, and contained teaching that would be the standard tecahing is Christianity. The gnostic gospels, less widespread, later forgieries, cannot be held in the same regard as the canonical gospels. Lists containing books that would later be in the New Testament canon existed before at least some of the gnostic gospels were ever written. It should be unsurprising that the later forgeries failed in the end.
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>>402100477

Alter halt doch die Fresse du Musel.
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Concerning Arabia:

In Isaiah God also reveals the location of this special person as He states:

“Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voice, the villages that Kedar doth inhabit”

[Isaiah:42:11]

Out of all the nations on Earth that God inspires Isaiah to mention, He chose to highlight Kedar’s location, so we should pay special attention, so throughout The Bible, Kedar and his sons are linked to Arabia; for example, The Book of Ezekiel tells us that:

"'Arabia and all the princes of Kedar were your customers; they did business with you in lambs, rams and goats. In these they did business with you.”

[Ezekiel:27:21]
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>>40210077
you're literally a google search away from proving yourself wrong

http://www.godonthe.net/evidence/said_god.htm

Dumb ignorant fuck
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The City of Madinah:

In Isaiah:42:11 God goes down to lower the location down further to a specific city in Arabia, He states that:
“Let the inhabitants of Sela sing, let them shout from the top of the mountains.”

[Isaiah:42:11]

The place Sela pinpoints the exact location in Arabia; the place being spoken off is a city in Madinah in Saudi Arabia because Sela is the name of a famous mountain in Madinah and Madinah was the city of The Prophet Muhamtriggered and an important point worth mentioning is that historically, we know there was a presence of various Jewish tribes in Medina before the advent of The Prophet Muhamtriggered; both Jewish historians and Islamic History records this fact…

Therefore, the question then arises, why were they numerous Jewish tribes within Madinah?

The answer is that the learned Jews were aware of this prophecy in Isaiah and were anxiously awaiting the coming of a new Prophet; oddly Islamic History records the fact that whenever a dispute arose between the Jews and the Arabs in Madinah, the Jews used to taunt their Pagan Arab neighbours by saying “when our Prophet arrives we shall obliterate you…”, Allah affirms this in The Qur’an by saying:

“Is it not a Sign to them that the Learned Men of the Children of Israel knew it (as true)?

[Qur’an:26:197]
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What will he bring?

In Isaiah God informs us that this special person will bring something new; mankind is told that we will:

“Sing to the Lord a new song, his praise from the end of the earth!”

[Isaiah:42:10]

The statement “a new song” means a new Law, a new way of worship and this is exactly what Islam represents, the emphasis on the new song here is singing the praise of God all over the Earth, The Qur’an opens with the statement:

“He is the Living (One): There is no god but He: Call upon Him, giving Him sincere devotion. Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds!”

[Qur’an:40:65]

Thus this is recited by Muslims all over the world, during prayers, every day, and the new song cannot refer to Jesus because he did not bring about anything new, rather he confirmed The Law of Moses which was already there as in The Gospel of Matthew, Jesus said:

“Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.”

[Matthew:5:17]

Thus Jesus obeyed and followed The Law of Moses throughout his life, which means Jesus did not “sing a new song”, he sang the same song of Moses, The Torah, moreover, The Disciples of Jesus also followed The Law of Moses, even after Jesus departed, as in The Book of Acts we are told that The Disciples looked to The Torah for guidance:

“For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times…”

[Acts:15:21]
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>>40210076
There is nothing perfect in this life. God is perfect though. And me not being able to imagine him has nothing to do with me beliving in him or not. It sounds to me more stupid, that god is a human. This is not fucking simpsons.

>>40210063
Jesus also prayed to god and asked for gods help. How does this make him god? who has he prayed to? Stop, please.
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>>40210112
Unlike you, I know my redeemer, and I know my eternal destination.

With any luck, Jesus will appear to you in a dream, as a man without a face, glowing goy, with His arms outstretched towards you.

If you have that dream, will yourself into His arms, and be saved.
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>>40210056
Lets pretend you are a scholar. You are investigating a book that is supposedly 1500-2000 years old. You notice that the book is written in fagern Assyrian instead of ancient Aramaic. What do you do?

According to this article, no tests have been done on the book.
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>>40210120
Mohamtriggered claims that he is in the bible, as do his followers, but all of those claims are false.

God delights in Jesus, and the Holy Spirit is the promised Comforter.
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Who will he be sent to?

In Isaiah God emphasises the universal mission of the coming of person by mentioning that he will be triggerede a:

“…covenant to the people and a light for the Gentiles”

[Isaiah:42:6]

Gentile’s means non-Jews and The Qur’an confirms that The Prophet Muhamtriggered was sent to whole of mankind, Jews and Gentiles alike, in The Qur’an, Allah tells us:

“And We have not sent you [O’ Muhamtriggered] but to all the men as a bearer of good news and as a warner, but most men do not know.”

[Qur’an:34:28]

Besides, the verse in Isaiah cannot be applied to Jesus because in The Gospel of Matthew, Jesus said:

“I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”

[Matthew:15:24]

Whilst in Isaiah God further states that he will:

“…Lead the blind by ways they have not known, along unfamiliar paths I will guide them…”

[Isaiah:42:16]

The Pagan Arabs at the time of The Prophet Muhamtriggered fit this description perfectly because they have not been sent a messenger prior to Muhamtriggered, as well as The Qur’an bears witness to this as Allah states that Muhamtriggered was sent to:

“Warn a people to whom no warner has come before…”

[Qur’an:32:3]

Thus the verse in Isaiah cannot apply to Jesus because his people, the Israelites had already received a multiple of Prophets from God [Moses, Aaron, Joshua, Samuel, Nathan, David, Solomon, Micaiah, Hosea, Amos, Micah, Elijah, Jonah, Isaiah, Joel, Habakkuk, Zephaniah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi and last but not least, Jesus.] and in Isaiah, God emphasises that this special person will be sent to:
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“…Those who trust in idols, who say to images, ‘you are our God’s’…”

[Isaiah:42:17]

The whole of Arabia at the start of Muhamtriggered’s Prophethood consisted of idol worshipper so yet again, these verses cannot be a reference to Jesus because his people, the Israelites, were monotheists and not idol worshippers, moreover, Jesus explicitly told his disciples to stay away from the idol worshipping Gentiles, the exact opposite of what God prophesied in Isaiah, The Gospel of Matthew tells us that:

“These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: “Do not go among the gentiles…”

[Matthew:10:5]

In addition, in Isaiah, God states that this special person will be a warrior and he will:

“Go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, ‘Yea’,’Roar’; he shall prevail against his enemies.”

[Isaiah:42:13]

Throughout history God has dealt sternly with those who are sent guidance and persist in disbelief while Prophet Muhamtriggered [PBUH] had to engage in many battles with the idol worshipping enemies of God and he ultimately prevailed against them whilst by comparison Jesus did not triumph over his enemies and according to Christians he was crucified by his enemies… Furthermore, Jesus wasn't interested in fighting and he was not a man of war, he was a pacifist according to The Bible as he said such things as:

“For all who draw the sword will die by the sword.”

[Matthew:26:52]

In addition, he also stated according to The Bible:

“My kingdom is not of this world: If my kingdom was off this world, then would my servants fight…”

[John:18:36]

What will he achieve?:

In Isaiah God gives us a list of momentous achievements of this special person: The chief of these is that the idol worshippers:

“…will be turned back in utter shame…”

[Isaiah:42:17]
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>>40210112

Polluted water was not a problem for Muhamtriggered. In Sahih Muslim1:66-67 -The people asked the Messenger of Allah: Can we cleanse out of the well of Buda'ah, which is a well into which menstrual clothes, dead dogs and stinking things were thrown? He replied: Water is pure and is not defiled by anything.The people of the time, though not aware of bacteria or germ theory, had an inkling of the dangers of unclean water. However Muhamtriggered with his divine wisdom informed them that water can never be polluted because it is pure. One wonders how many innocent lives were lost because of such advice.

That's the prophet you follow. You were fooled.
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Not only did Prophet Muhamtriggered conquered Makkah, The Pagan Capital of Arabia, but by the end of his life in just 23 short years of Prophethood, Arabia had shunned idol worship and now worship The One True God of Abraham and yet again this cannot apply to Jesus because it was Christians themselves that were humiliated and greatly ashamed for hundreds of years after Jesus, they were persecuted by the hands of The Roman Empire, who were idol worshippers; they executed some of The Apostles of Jesus such as Peter and Paul, the Christians were tortured and even fed to the lions…
Finally Isaiah cwins with an admonishment from God:

‘Hear you deaf: Look, you blind and see! You have seen many things, but you pay no attention; you ears are open but you do not listen. Which of you will listen to this or will pay cwin attention in time to come?’

[Isaiah:42:18 – Isaiah:43:23]

It seems clear that the deaf and blind God is talking about in these verses are those who reject Prophet Muhamtriggered [Peace Be Upon Him], who among you will heed God by acknowledging him? Who will listen and pay cwin attention in time to come?

“Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered prophet, whom they find written in what they have of the Torah and the Gospel, who enjoins upon them what is right and forbids them what is wrong and makes lawful for them the good things and prohibits for them the evil and relieves them of their burden and the shackles which were upon them. So they who have believed in him, honoured him, supported him and followed the light which was sent down with him - it is those who will be the successful.”

[Qur’an:7:157]
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>>40209925
> "the work of a forger who, according to some, could be a European Jewish Scholar from the Middle Ages."
>mfw
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>>40210122
Is that some kind of joke? Canadians were in the trenches for years while you faggots were still trying to find an excuse to get into the war
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>>40210077
Jesus implied it pretty heavily.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity#Jesus_as_God

The people writing the Bible never claimed the earth was 6000 years old.

The word trinity is only there to describe the dynamic between the father, son, and the Holy Spirit. It isn't a biblical term, but it describes what the Bible says very succinctly.
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In Deuteronomy 18, Moses stated that God told him: “I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. If anyone does not listen to my
words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call
him to account.”

[Deuteronomy:18:18 - Deuteronomy:18:19]

From these verses we conclude that the prophet in this prophecy
must have the following three characteristics:

1) That he will be like Moses.

2) That he will come from the brothers of the Israelites, i.e. the
Ishmaelites.

3) That God will put His words into the mouth of this prophet
and that he will declare what God commands him.

Abraham had two sons, Ishmael and Isaac (Genesis 21).

Ishmael became the grandfather of the Arab nation, and Isaac became the grandfather of the Jewish nation.

The prophet spoken of was not to come from among the Jews themselves, but from among their brothers, i.e. the Ishmaelites.

Muhamtriggered, a descendant of Ishmael, is indeed this prophet.
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>>40210139
are you saying it is impossible for god to take on a corporeal and human form? how would you even know if that is within gods potential or if such an action would suit his personality if you cant even imagine him?
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>>40210139
God is a triune supernatural entity in communication with Himself.

If you can talk to yourself, why do you doubt God can talk to Himself?

You can do something God can't do?
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>>40210089
>Any book in the NT must have been written by an eyewitness of Jesus' life, death, or resurrection.
>mfw the KJV doesn't have Paul's epistles

>The OT is in. If the Jews claim it as scripture, that's good enough for us. As the Jews do not claim anything past Malachi is scripture, neither do we.
>mfw you don't even know that Malachi comes last no matter how many books you take out or leave in
>mfw you would listen to what fagern happy merchants say is scripture after they took out a bunch of pro-Christian OT books, rather than listening to Jesus and the apostles who regularly quoted the septuagint and considered it equal in standing with the hebrew text (which at the time also included those books)

>Any book in the NT must not contradict any known scripture.
>mfw using contradiction as a litmus test for scripture leaves you with no scripture
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>>40210159
Again, the Holy Spirit is the promised one, and He came on the Day of Pentecost, the first day of the christian church, 50 days after the resurrection of Jesus Christ, the living Son of God.

Crowbarring Mohammed into the bible is kind of silly.
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ITT: Christfags can't handle the fact that their beliefs are incorrect and that they're all going to burn in Hell for eternity.

>worshiping christ
>ever
Enjoy damnation, faggots.
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>>40210115
dont hate jesus? We muslims love jesus. He is a prophet for us same as the muhamtriggered is a prophet to us. Satan rebelled against god so god send him into hellfire. Thouse, who were true to god, stayed with him. So now satan comes to hz muhamtriggered and tells him there is only one god? That only he should be worshipped in a country with more then 300 different gods`? That would not make any sense. It was gabriel who was send by god. Satan would have preeched something else.
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>>40210174
Holding off moose?
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>>40210179
Again, all of those point to the Messiah, Jesus, and not to a false prophet, Mohammed.
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>>402093388
Another example of how people were making shit up from the beginning because they didn't want to accept the truth.

In 325 at the Council of Nicaea they threw out such nonsense. And there was plenty of nonsense to throw out. People have been trying to corrupt the word of God since the beginning.
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>>40210209
Kraut actually
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>>40210201
if Islam is correct, then why did god send a vision to emperor Constantine to convert him to Christianity and not Islam?

checkmate mudshits
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>>40210190
Paul was an eyewitness to the risen Jesus Christ on the road to Damascus, and spent three years likely on Mt. Sinai talking with Jesus, and becoming the greatest apostle.

I can tell you have never considered how Paul knew so much about Jesus, and the New Covenant, when he was virulently anti-christian even decades after the resurrection.

The Apocrypha were written after Malachi, including the Maccabees, which appears to be historically accurate, but not scripture.

Your face is the fact of ignorance and bias.
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>>40210206
I was sent by god, prove me wrong. Oh, wait, right... you don't give a shit about proof, do you? You are the victim of a long, smart chainletter. Get over it & stop following the laws of a con artist.

butofcourseiamjustthedeviltestingyourightnow
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>>40210201
Jesus said, "If you do not have the Son, you do not have the Father."

Sorry Jews and Muslims, but this most specifically means you.
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>>40210212
Do you even read the posts, you fucking reweenies?

Jesus isn't a descendant of any man, therefore he cannot come from any brothers. He is a miracle birth sent to guide the Israelites, when it clearly says the new Prophet will come from the Ishmaelites.

You're own book is against you.
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>>40209447
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>>40210120
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>>40210124

This is inaccurate, it was not until the 16th Century that Christians in the West even agreed that there should be such a concept as which books were canon primarily because protestants challenging the corruption of the Catholic church were insisting on developing religious ideology directly based on the religious texts rather than relying on the wisdom of the religious institution.

Even owning a bible was banned for anyone other than the priests for many centuries in the West.
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>>40210206
Yes, Mohammed promoted his family god, allah, a moon goddess, into monotheistic status by criminalizing the worship of the other 359 pagan gods worshiped in Arabia at the time.

Mohammed never knew Jesus, or anything about Jesus, and relied on Satan for his gospel.
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>>40210219
(you're supposed to say that you guys defeated the US in 1812.)
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>>40210233
So you hot pocketsly admit that Jesus and the apostles and the writers of the New Testament all had it wrong about the proper books of the Old Testament, but that Martin Luther and fagern Jews got it right? Normally when I jump the gun and make a quick judgment about someone's intelligence they end up proving me wrong and making me eat my words but I guess sometimes I do hit the target on the first shot.
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>>402102066
>It was gabriel who was send by god.

It is not god’s business to confuse illiterate sandmonkeys into thinking they can commit every mortal sin. Adultery, murder, theft, greed and jealousy are not things god will allow any man or “prophet”.
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>>40210242
Jesus is God manifested in the flesh, and his brothers' names were James, Joses, Judas and Simon. He likely had several sisters as well, women not normally being listed as anything in the bible.

I am His adopted brother, and He has maybe hundreds of millions of adopted brothers. And the adoption process is still open.

If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

Romans 10:9
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>>402102333

You and the corinthians are gullible as fuck
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>>40210256
1812 was a draw because Britain got held up by Napoleon and didn't want to continue the war.

What I SHOULD say is 'Yeah well we burned down the goy house Yankee'
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>>40210253
Christians had the bible sorted out centuries before Rome became catholic.

It's kind of obvious, if you actually think about it.
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>>40210253
>completely ignoring the councils of nicea
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>>40210206
Christianity would have likely replaced idol worship if Islam hadn't sprouted. A small amount of truth makes lies much more convincing, and Satan is aware of this.

If you want evidence for why Islam is illegitimate, consider that entirely Islamic countries poor, unstable, and preoccupied with beheading news reporters for relevance. Meanwhile, Christianity has been the catalyst for the formation of the fagern world.
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>>40210280
>Jesus is God manifested in the flesh
And so why in the living fuck would GOD LET HIMSELF BE DESTROYED BY MAN

Holy shit, you fucking people.
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>>40210298
>this level of banter
you're a right bold cunt, m8, I'll give you that
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>>40210298
>And so why in the living fuck would GOD LET HIMSELF BE DESTROYED BY MAN

i am not one to questions god intentions and neither are you
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>>40210295
>If you want evidence for why Islam is illegitimate, consider that entirely Islamic countries poor, unstable

You realize that, for about 1400 years of its existence, Islamic empires were some of the biggest and strongest in human history up until the fall of the Ottoman Empire, which was less than 100 years ago, right?

Just checking.
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>>40209338
The Bible has been written and rewritten throughout its history.
Not one single word of it was written when Jesus Christ was alive. See "Council of Nicaea" and the Dead Sea Scrolls.

Wiki links because I'm lazy, but the sources are at the bottom of each article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Sea_Scrolls

I'm Christian by the way and this changes nothing for me. Here's a pic of my local cathedral. And singing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dehwp_dRlYQ
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>>402093388
>The old bible states, that jesus did not die on the cross and was instead taken to heaven by god. It also states, that jesus is not god but a prophet.

Well good for it; it's still wrong.
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Muslims are pathetic. Always trying to trick Christians into following the moon god. We know your tricks, satan-spawn! We know the Quran was written with the help of fallen angels. You cannot deny this. There are satanic verses in the Quran because MohamMAD couldn't tell the difference between the voice of an angel and the voice of a demon.
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>>40210267
I have zero idea how you came to that conclusion from my post.

The Christians accepted the Torah as scripture. It was the only scripture the new church had for decades. It is what Jesus referred to, and taught. There is no dispute between the Jews and Christians as to the contents being the same. They just divide the books up differently, and do not agree that the Messiah is in fact Jesus.

I said nothing about Martin Luther or fagern Jews.

I would say that your discernment level is very low.
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>>40210182
God can take a human form if he wanted to but he woudln´t. Why should god? He can also send a messenger for him if he wanted to. Why should god lower himself to a human being?
And saying that jesus was god, how is it possible to hurt god? Why would god, the creator of everything allow some faggots to stone him and crucifie him?
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>>40210320
>You realize that, for about 1400 years of its existence, Islamic empires were some of the biggest and strongest in human history

yeah and they founded those empires at the tip of bloodied swords financed by stolen coin.
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>>40210331
Alright, I'm going to assume you don't have a severe learning disability and are just trying to get a rise out of me. 11/10 I took the bait. Well done.
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>>402093388
no big news as a muslim i know that when i was 6 years old
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>>40210298
In order to pay the death penalty for all of mankind's collective sins.

Breaking God's Law requires the shedding of blood, and death.

Jesus paid that, in full, for all of us.

He is our Champion.
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>>402093388
>It's legit, kuffar!
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>>40210338
>yeah and they founded those empires at the tip of bloodied swords financed by stolen coin.
>this much fucking r3weenieation in one post

Name one fucking large empire in history that didn't take part conquest. I fucking dare you motherfucker
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>>40209578
Go read your bible a few more times son, it was EVA who ate the fruit first and then convinced adam to do it too
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>>40210333
>but he woudln´t
if you cant even imagine god, then how can you say that?

>Why should god lower himself to a human being?
why does a father kneel to speak to his young child?

>Why would god, the creator of everything allow some faggots to stone him and crucifie him?
why does a father permit his young child to strike him?
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>>40210325
The entire Old Testament was finished 400 years prior to Jesus' birth.

The Dead Sea Scroll of Isaiah confirmed that the book was transmitted 2,700 years at 99.5% intact, and that the differences were spelling variants and idioms, and did not touch doctrine, at all.

99.5% intact, over 2,700 years.

You're not a christian, by the way, but an Anglican. Please make the distinction in the future.
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>>402093388
>genocide museum
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>>40210333
God had to become Man in order to be Kinsman Redeemer to all of us.
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>>402102899
>Christians had the bible sorted out centuries before Rome became catholic.

Christians, unless you are completely disregarding huge chunks of your co-religionists as being Christian, haven't sorted out "the bible" today even as we discuss this issue, Protestant, Catholics, Orthodox and Gnostic Christians all have a different take on what is canon.

And while the Catholic church may maintain it is a continuation of early Christianity arguable the Catholic itself didn't exist until Rome turned Christian.
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>>402103388

They filled the vacuum left by rome is all. They existed without contest until they expanded into europe and got their asses kicked.
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>>402093388
>VATICAN IS IN SHOCK!!!!
You poor thing. You don't understand what the Vatican is, or false gnostic bibles are. I wonder how many millions of muslims will end up in hell for following their false moon idol allah.
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>>40210347
No, I don't think you understand.

GOD, THE MOST POWERFUL AND KNOWLEDGEABLE BEING HAD HIMSELF DESTROYED BY MAN

What part of that is hard to understand? God is unloveable, THAT'S WHY HE'S CALLED GOD. THAT'S WHAT MAKES HIM DIVINE.

How don't you people comprehend this insanity?
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>>40210357
>Name one fucking large empire in history that didn't take part conquest. I fucking dare you motherfucker

is this relevant to islam?

yes all empires partook in conquest, but most did not use genocide and piracy to build those empires

islam has contributed nothing to the world but dead bodies
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>>40210253

The Council of Rome (382) affirmed the current canon. Protestants like to ignore it so they can accuse the Roman Catholics of "adding" the deuterocanonical books to the scriptures at Trent.
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>>40210254
Thats why jesus is more often mentioned in the quran then prohphet muhamtriggered itself`? fuck off.

>>40210295
Small amount of truth? you can´t be serious about this. Islam is about one god, about jesus and the prophets before. About adam and Eva and so on. Small amout? cmon.
That is no evidence. They are poor and unstable and there is a lot of shit happening. But look at turkey and not every country is down the drain. Why don´t you see it like this. The muslims in the poor muslim countries are tested that way.
Now the christian world: Woman acting like whores fucking everywhere you look, people going out drinking puking doing stuff that really is ugly. You know what I mean. The mentality in the christian world is terrible. Yes it is better for living but is that not a test too? It is hard to live truthfully to your religion when you have all that.
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>>402103955
>yes all empires partook in conquest, but most did not use genocide and piracy to build those empires

Name an empire that didn't.
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>>40210320
You mean that shitty empire that controlled a bunch of territories that have never had any historical relevance or power? Funny that it crumpled like a paper cup as soon as it started trying to compete with Western nations and Russia.
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>>40210395
>but most did not use genocide and piracy to build those empires
>islam has contributed nothing to the world but dead bodies

You got anything besides sourceless funposting?
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>>40210360
Eve was deceived by Adam.

Adam, who was at her side the entire time, intentionally sinned against God.

So by Adam, sin entered the world.

It's, you know, in the bible. Women being the weaker vessel ring a bell? No?
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>>402094544
http://t.news.va/en?vp=1
If an article comes out I will believe everything you say.
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>>40210394
Yes, Jesus thought that was not a thing to be grasped, but let go of being God in heaven, and humbled Himself, to be born a human being.

Maybe you should start realizing how that effects you.
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>>40210416
Because it's a christian cult, and relies on the authority of Jesus for its own anti-Jesus positions.

As I have said many times, it is accursed.
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>>40210394
You're starting to slip up. I thought it was Allah (piss be upon him) and not God. Who you working for? Obviously not the Jews. Must be a self-loathing Christian who didn't get a prayer answered.
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Oh look a 2,000 yearold koran
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>>40210428
Eve was deceived by satan.

No clue how that came out to be Adam. Oh, got ahead of myself a little bit. Plus, I don't like to post about allah that much. Er, I mean satan that much.

Same difference, really.
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>>402093388
pic related with disproved some time ago
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>>40210376
the only thing Catholicism and orthodoxy disagrees on is the organisation of the clergy

Protestantism was started, not because of a disagreement with what was canon, but because of a disagreement in church practices.
the only protestant church i know of that differs on what is canon is the Mormons

Gnostics have been considered heretics since the first council of Nicaea which was in 325
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>>40210394
refer to >>40210362
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I'm not even Christian, but 500 years is a huge margin for error.

If it's 2000 years old then there might actually be something there.

If it's 1500 years old then it's even less reliable as the bible as an "eyewitness" account.
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>>40209646
> german
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>>40210436
>God loveed himself
>So he could humble himself
>By being born a human being

>God, the most powerful and knowledgeable being
>Wants to humble himself (for whatever fucking reason) even though he's already be infinitely humbled because he's, you know, God
>By being born as a lesser creation

I...I just...

I just don't know what more I can say...
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>>40210362
lol
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>>402094477
ayy lmao
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>>40210423
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y
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>>40210422

>took over Greece
>took over Egypt
>were a royal pain in the backside for the Habsburg Empire until 1683


I'm not even a turk but they were a major world power for a while.
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>>40209851

>Forgets mlp
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>>40210416
Polluted water was not a problem for Muhamtriggered. In Sahih Muslim1:66-67 -The people asked the Messenger of Allah: Can we cleanse out of the well of Buda'ah, which is a well into which menstrual clothes, dead dogs and stinking things were thrown? He replied: Water is pure and is not defiled by anything.The people of the time, though not aware of bacteria or germ theory, had an inkling of the dangers of unclean water. However Muhamtriggered with his divine wisdom informed them that water can never be polluted because it is pure. One wonders how many innocent lives were lost because of such advice.

That's the prophet you follow. You were fooled.
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>>40210371
No. He could just send a messenger just like he did before many times.
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>>40209578

>We are the product of incest, all of us. The Family of Man.

Maybe you are, Bubba, but my lineage stretches back 30,000 years to hunter-gatherers in Europe.
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>>40210466
>the only thing Catholicism and orthodoxy disagrees on is the organisation of the clergy
Actually the two main points of contention are the primacy of the bishop of Rome and the filioque. I've heard both touted as the "real reason" alternatively, but I don't know. I hope schism can be healed in my lifetime but either way we are brothers in Christ.
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>>40210447
>Being this reweenieed
Allah=God=YHVH
Christian Arabs call God, Allah
Jewish Arabs call God, Eloha/Elah
I think you need to stop reading Christ tracks mai boi.
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>>40210488
such thought provoking counter-arguement
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>>40210516
thats part of the clergy
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>>40210363
>You're not a christian, by the way, but an Anglican.
I only have one church in my village and it is indeed Anglican (another pic), yet I've prayed with my friends in their churches - Catholic, Quaker, Methodists,and other denominations.
I do voluntary with with an inter-faith group seeking peace between different religious groups including Judaism and Islam.

Saint Mary's church was built on an old pagan site and its history is over 1000 years old. Please don't say that I'm not a Christian as it sounds a bit sectarian. I try my best to follow the teachings of Christ.
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>>40210443
you are just talking shit
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>>40210492
>My professor shit talking for 44 min will prove you wrong!1
Seen the video, he makes the same exact, unfounded accusation you did.
>Islam is bad because they did the same things we did except not as successfully and because we're right and their wrong

Won't work m8 :^)
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>>40210173
>European Jewish Scholar from the Middle Ages
>Jewish
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>>40210485
Bro you are doing a great job here. The people that still are arguing with you are acting really stupid. You could put 100percent evidence in front of them and they would still not understand and find excuses. terrible.
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>>402104855
I too get choked up thinking about what Jesus did for mankind.

Only, of course, I have bent the knee to Christ Jesus, while you appear not to have.

Yet.
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>>40210416
>muslims in poor muslim countries are being tested
By having other muslims terrorize them and prevent them from ever achieving any sort of stability?
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>2 bibles that have very contradicting stories

"Well clearly my favorite is the original, true, unaltered word of God and that other one is phony. I know this is true because the Pope says so."
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>>402105099
Nope. It required a sinless, perfect, unblemished sacrifice, capable of bearing all of the punishment for all of the sins of all of mankind.

Plus, when you see "The Angel of the Lord" in the OT, that is Jesus.

He is, after all, God.
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>>402105144
It doesn't, actually; you just think it does.

And that still makes you the product of incest, and you do seem to be suffering from some mental deficits.
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>>40210567
Don't the Christians themselves say 'God works in mysterious ways?'
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>>40210538
>implying i know the guy in this video

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/1685/muslim-genocide-of-christians

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Hindus

http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/ten_reasons.htm

islam has never been peaceful
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>>40210503
So would they not die anyway without water?
Besides that, there is no hadith wich you can say is 100% correct. I am not saying it is a lie but if you want to follow islam, the quran is the only thing you need.
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>>402105177
allah is a minor canaanite moon goddess.

God is a title.

YHWH is God.

Jesus is God.

The Holy Spirit is God.
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>>40210519
That comment was just stupid. Sorry.
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>>402105311
Which is how I know you're not a christian.

Jesus taught the Law. You're trying to follow the Law.

The Law brings nothing but death.

Grace and truth came through Jesus Christ, and His perfect sacrifice.

If you love Jesus, then confess Him to be your Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead.

Do this, and you will be saved.

And you can stop failing at following Jesus' teachings, and actually have His Spirit come to live inside of you.
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>>40210567
If you live in such horrible conditions and you still belive in god and live an honorable life following your religion. Would that not be a real beliver? Yes it sounds to me like a test. Living like shit and still beliving. You may live shit here but in the eternity you can live a wonderful life.
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>>402105355
It's straight out of the bible, which, ironically, islam claims is true.

Galatians 1:8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.
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>>40210593
so are all of your comments

in fact your whole religion is stupid and i think you smell like poop

(see i can engage in ad hominem too)
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>>40210584
>Because the Christians have never committed genocides
>Because the Christians have never persecuted groups of people
And my personal favorite
>Islam isn't a religion of peace because Muhamtriggered nicknamed his weapons
I love it when people quote answering-islam, because it just proves to me they're bumfucked reweenies who can only parrot others. Sane people don't come to natural conclusions like that. It's not possible.
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>>402105844
forgot some good ones there buddy

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERou_Q5l9Gw
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>>402096466
>america is the most shitty country on the planet
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>>40210581
Nope. The bible says that God's ways are not our ways, and that God's ways are higher than our ways.

Which is self-evident.
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>>40210620
Live by the sword and die by the sword, moon-worshiper.
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>>40210585
The qu'ran with its satanic verses, its abrogated verses, and its lies about Jesus?

That's reliable?

kek
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>>40210581
Some do, though I feel that it's a cop out.

It's really only used to answer the shitty argument "Well how could X happen if God exists?" or to make someone feel better about something terrible happening to them.

For some reason, instead of acknowledging that human behavior comes with consequences and that shit happens due to nature running its course, it's easier for both sides to try to pin everything on God.
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>>40210588
Jack Chick, pls leave
http://badwebcomicswiki.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Jack_Chick_Tracts

Allah literally means (AL)The (Illah)God in Arabic. The j.ews themselves confirm this.
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>>40210628
>Nope. The bible says that God's ways are not our ways, and that God's ways are higher than our ways.
Except that's exactly what it means since mysterious is literally defined as difficult or impossible to understand, explain, or identify.

Are you people just playing an elaborate game of 'Let's pretend to be ret-arded?'
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>>40210616
If I shit in my cornflakes and eat it, am I honorable for coping with it? Or am I just an idiot for shitting in my food?
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>>40210633
What about how the Quran is supposed to checkout with the Bible, and not the other way around? There was a great video posted here before /p0l/harbor, but I don't have the link.
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>>40210539

>Jewish

Like Jesus, all his disciples and the people that wrote most of the bible then.

And no I am not interested in a boring slapdash infographic showing me Jesus wasn't Jewish. Come back to me when any significant Christian church holds that position.
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>>402106199
>if you cant even imagine god, then how can you say that?

God is perfect and would not make himself to something that is not perfect. It would be possible for him but just wouldn´t make sense.

>Why should god lower himself to a human being?

How can you compare god to a father? God can also speak to us through messengers just like he did with a lot of prophets. There is no need for him personally talk to us.

>why does a father permit his young child to strike him?

A father allowing his child to strike him is a fucking idiot and that child will probalby have no respect for his father ever. I could not even raise my hand against my father just for fun.
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>>40210655
Is that a good comparison be honest? These people have not chosen to live like that. You chose to shit into your cornflakes. It is not a test from god. It is a test by yourself.
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>>40210620

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_pirates

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_slave_trade

and furthermore, Muslims cant even get along with other Muslims who dare o disagree with them
>conflict between Sunnis and Shiites
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>>40210633
>>40210656

I found the links. It's less than 10 minutes long.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNAS0aaViM4
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>>40210630
Ironically, Isiah claimed the new Prophet would be a warrior and prevail against his enemies >>402101688

Except Jesus was a pacifist and was CRUCIFIED (to your belief) HOLY SHIT THAT'S NOT HOW YOU WIN BRO
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>>402106255
Yet these people would invite you to eat with them and give you the tiny bit they have while you people are the coldest fucks in the world. Same applies for other westeners. It is not just about wealth but also about the heart of people.
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>>40210670
But the current Jews are the ones who rejected Christ and he has deemed the children of Satan.

Kike worshiping Christians are no better than Muslims as both are following false doctrine.
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>>40210652
Yes they are. Just read what some of them write. It is terrible. Fucking haters
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>>40210687
If you consider the Islamic community as a collective, then it's a pretty accurate comparison.

It isn't Western nations that make them poor, in fact, what little prosperity they have comes from Western interest in oil.

It isn't non-islamic people that make islamic nations poor. Most middle-eastern countries have Islam as the majority religion by a large margin.

It isn't God who makes the area poor, because most of those countries are fairly rich in natural resources and present plenty of opportunity for prosperity.

The only thing that could possibly make them poor is themselves. Going from authoritarian regime to authoritarian regime, with a dash of violence and instability between each iteration. Every leader claiming to do something else for the advancement of Islam. It's self-inflicting and is everything but a trial from God.
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>>40210752
Again, out of 1400 years, Muslims have been considerably rich and powerful for essentially all that time, save for the past 100 years.

If you're seriously using the past century to as an example to claim superiority over Islam, you're pretty fucking pathetic.
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>>40210677
>How can you compare god to a father?
maybe because he is referred to as the father

>There is no need for him personally talk to us
there was also no need for him to create us
god does not do only what he needs to do. if he did then there would be no prophet muhamed in your book because god would have just triggerede everyone a muslim.

it is only when one thinks of god as a loving father that we can understand his actions. he could force us to worship and respect him, but he gives us a choice.

>A father allowing his child to strike him is a fucking idiot
a young child has no concept of respect and a loving has no qualms with a child throwing a tantrum striking him as he can scold the child with words once he calms down
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>>40210709

All Christians worship a Jew and Christianity is a schism of Judaism.

This is objectively true.

Reminder, I am not interested in a boring slapdash infographic showing me Jesus wasn't Jewish. Come back to me when any significant Christian church holds that position.
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>>40210585

So, you are follow a book that tells you to love polytheists whereever you find them?

>So would they not die anyway without water?
Nice try to act like the point wasn't that Mohammed was an idiot who conned people for shrekelss and power.
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>>402108188
>Reminder, I am not interested in a boring slapdash infographic showing me Jesus wasn't Jewish.

Christians doubt that Jesus was sent to the Israelites?

Seriously?
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>>40210818
Jews rejected Christ and are thus destined for Hell, along with their Islamic brothers. It doesn't take an infographic to prove this, simply reading scripture proves this.
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>>40210770
Not claiming superiority, just that Islam is unable to guarantee anything other than constant violence. A long-dead empire is a worthless metric when everyone but Australia has had one.
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As an atheist I think....

Islam is by far a better a religion that Christianity. Christianity worked to destroy the advances of Rome because mai herisery. When the Islamics ruled Europe they revitilized study of the Roman classics. Its easy to see why the Muslims love Rome and Greece: they were both warriors countries.

In this regard there is so truth in Islam. It acknowledges that man is ultimately a violent animal and that he achieves greatness through use of his power to conquer (jihad). There's no truths in Christianity. "Do unto others" doesn't work if it did we wouldn't need a military. Women are attracted to strong willed men not humble servants of god. This is about the only vaue of the Koran.

Both religions are dog-shit. The only difference is Islam is dog shit with some corn in it. It still has some nutritional value but are you really going to eat dog shit?

The fastest growing religious denomination is 'non-religious'. Most self-proclaimed Christians don't even read the bible or go to Church half the time. Modern War-fare sells more copies every year than the Bible. TV preachers get shitty ratings while people pay a subscription to show-time to watch Pen & Teller shoot the bible with a shotgun.


As for the "Islamic invasion" in Europe. Well I'm sure Muslims are happy but you didn't win anything. The 1st generation will be lunatic Muslims, the second generation will be won over by video games, shopping malls, and Hollywood. The superior culture always wins, always. You can't resist it's pulls for very long.

God is dead, there's no after-life and I eat bacon every day.
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>>402107855
>maybe because he is referred to as the father

in your religion he is referred to that.

>there was also no need for him to create us
god does not do only what he needs to do. if he did then there would be no prophet muhamed in your book because god would have just triggerede everyone a muslim.

it is only when one thinks of god as a loving father that we can understand his actions. he could force us to worship and respect him, but he gives us a choice.

My eyes hurt and this discussion would go on and on now. He gives us a choice to test us.

>>402107855
We are not talking about little children but about grown men. God wasn´t beaten (according to your relgiion) not by children but by grown men.
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>>40210870
>war-fare
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>>40210829
Now lets look at the verse DIRECTLY AFTER that one.

Go on, wiggle your way out of this one. Make my day.
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>>40210922
Protection, but only if they pay, right?
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>>402108677
>just that Islam is unable to guarantee anything other than constant violence
Seriously, if memes are all you have left at this point, I think it's time to reconsider exactly what your beliefs are, and why you hold them.
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>>40210870
>muh Christians holding back progress

I found the reweenie whose knowledge of history ends at the middle-school level.
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>>40210871
in the eyes of an eternal god, humanity itself was but a young child in need of both redemption and scolding

hence jesus said "Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do."
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>>40210416
I'm a Christian. If you highlight my ID you can see a couple of posts I triggerede.
From what I've read of your post, I gather you're a Muslim living in Germany and probably from a Turkish background. I'll quote you a couple of times and try to get some ideas across.
>Now the christian world: Woman acting like whores fucking everywhere you look, people going out drinking puking doing stuff that really is ugly.

I feel for you if you live in such an environment. It's certainly not a place like where I live although I have seen that type of behaviour very occasionaly in cities. Most people I know are good people who would be as disgusted as you are.

>The mentality in the christian world is terrible.
A massive generalisation. The people you mentioned in the paragraph I quoted above are not Christians as they've turned their back on the teachings of Christ. There is evil wherever you go, and it doesn't matter where in the world you go. I've lived in Muslim countries and seen absolute horror committed in the name of Islam. (I lived in Indonesia and Saudi Arabia as an English teacher)
>Islam is about one god
As are other religions.

Anyway, I wish you peace.
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>>40210922

Your 'Don't kiII him if he falls on his knees & sucks Allahs dick'-verse betters nothing.
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>>40210988
What?
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>>40211003

Wordfilters. Correct version:

>>40211001
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>>402109522
so god asked god to forgive them??
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>>40210943
>have your religion get rightfully called violent
>"sh... shut up. That's just a meme."

Good luck being the most backwards and violent religion that's currently on the planet.
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>>40211001
Wait, but it says right there to deliver him to his place of safety after 'so that he may hear the word of Allah'.

It doesn't say nor imply that the polytheist has to convert for him to be taken to safety. It doesn't even say 'so that he hears'. It says 'so that he may'.

Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, I'm guessing.
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>>40210856

In historical terms the schisms the two major schism of Judaism - Islam and Christianity - occurred only a short time between each other.

Christian Jews and Muslim Jews are largely the same thing.
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>>40211039

All this sugar doesn't make the bullshit any tastier.
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>>40211034
first off, why do you add numbers to posts you idiot

>so god asked god to forgive them??
have you not ever thought to yourself "forgive him anon" when someone has accidentally wronged you?
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>>40211039
That does nothing to counter the fact that it said to love polytheists, just that you proselytize first.
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>>402106522
The bible does not say "God works in mysterious ways." That is what people say.

Nor does the bible say "God helps those who help themselves." That is what the qu'ran says.
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>>402106777
So, you get to decide what God can do, and what God cannot do?
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>>402106899
That's great, thanks!
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>>40211089
love = k1ll

The wordfilters are real.
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>>40211036
>have your religion get rightfully called violent
>Good luck being the most backwards and violent religion that's currently on the planet.
You're following up one meme with another over and over again because you've exhausted all other ways to defend to idiocy of your religion.

Also, it was cluckstains screaming 'Deus Vult!' for a thousand years straight slaughtering people who came in their path thanks to a despot Pope who by his religions very own definition sent everybody who participated to hell, so drop the hollier than thou attitude - that shit never stuck, and never will.
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>>402106944
When Jesus rides down from heaven with the heavenly hosts, as the Commander of Heaven, with the sword of His mouth, He will literally take over the earth.
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>>402109844
I am a chechen. Yes muslim.
Sure, not everywhere the "worish" thing is spread. But let me say like this. Sex is normal in this society. It is condemned in both religions though. Now tbh I am always on the look for the next woman i can have sex with as example. That is so much harder in muslim countries even though it is possible. But you are encouraged in the west.
True christians, I would trust them everytime. But there aren´t almost any you say it yourself. Children in the age of 13 are drinking and partying here. Something like that you see very rarely in muslim countries. It is a lot easier to go the wrong path - in the eyes of religion - in the west.
Sure i generelized with the mentality, sorry for that. But if you compare poorer countries to the west, you will see how egoistic and self centered people here are. Yes a lot of shit happening in the muslim world, real terrible shit but there is still warmth in the people. People here are so cold. Sure not all of them but a lot more then in poor countries.
Yes other religions belive in one god too like christianity and judaism and that is the reason why I belive, that they are true and their followers will get into paradiese just like muslims, if they really live after their religion and respect islam.
I wish you peace too.
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>>402101399
The Holy Bible never states that the Lord is human.

The Father is not The son is not The Holy Spirit. All three of them are the Lord.
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>>40211143

When the Spaghetti Monster rides down on his Chariot of Sauce you are severely fucked.
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>>402106899
That's great, thanks!

>>402106944
The first time Jesus came to earth was as the Lamb of God.

The Second Coming, He comes as the Lion of Judah.
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>>40211153
>Children in the age of 13 are drinking and partying here
>A few percent of the population represent all of it

>muslims
>logic
pick one
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>>40211089
>There's something wrong with being commanded to love polytheists who are scheming against you
You're telling me you wouldn't love scheming keks who would undermine cucstianity now?

Oh right, never mind, you already dont! Mainly because people are caring less and less because it's hard to keep faith in a religion that continuously keeps having an identity crisis.
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>>402107700
Nope. Poorest people on earth.
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>>40211079
I dont add numbers lol. Why would I.
So when I am one day a father, I might say: FATHER DONT BEAT YOUR SON BECAUSE HE BEHAVED BAD?
Father? really?
Jesus is clearly talking to someone else there. And I belive you would do such thing, if you meant yourself, internally. And you would probably say your own name instead of father.
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>>40211138
>2014
>doesnt know what an indulgence is

Why even bother debating with Muslims if they refuse to learn enough to have a proper conversation?
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>>40211162

So why are they "not" each other then?
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>>402110344
Yes. The Eternal Covenant.

Jesus: If I die for them, will you forgive them?

Father: If you die for them, I will forgive their sins, and remember their trespasses no more.
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>>40211180
You are a german. Don´t you see how it has changed in comparison to the people born 1990 for example? I was born 1990 and it is unbelivable how the youth has changed.
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>>402110399
And the study of abrogated verses is not yours.
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>>40211138
I don't think you know what a meme is. Once again, Islam being violent is not a meme. It's a fact. This would be an example of a meme, "Hey Ausfag, hold up any cafe's recently?"

Also, at the very least, the Crusades didn't consist of self-inflicted violence. It was misguided, but not buttfuck reweenieed like blowing up your own schools and hospitals and beheading everyone who looks at you wrong.
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>>402111622
It absolutely does.

John 1

In the beginning was the Word (Jesus), and the Word (Jesus) was with God, and the Word (Jesus) is God.....and the Word (Jesus) became flesh and dwelt among us.
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>>40211180
>When you say '>A few percent of the population represent all of it' it totally acceptable
>When a Muslim says '>A few percent of the population represent all of it' MUH NO TRUE [email protected]

This thread has been amazing.

>>40211192
Why even bother debating with Muslims if they refuse to learn enough to have a proper conversation?
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>>402112644
Because the Word of God does not come back void.

Jesus died for muslims too.
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>>40211079
also see this >>40211217
who is answering jesus (god) then? Gods father? Two gods?
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>>40211264
We can accept both premises if you want. If you want us to accept that teenagers are progressives now, then you need to accept that Islam is a violent, backwards religion.
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>>402112800
Jesus said "I and the Father are One".
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>>40211229
>the Crusades didn't consist of self-inflicted violence

>Pillaging and harassing the fucking Byzantine Empire
>the Crusades didn't consist of self-inflicted violence
I don't expect cucstains to be logical - they wouldn't be cluckstains otherwise.

>>40211264
I fucked this up. Was suppose to say
>Why even bother debating with Christians if they refuse to learn enough to have a proper conversation?
because Im clever like that :^)
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>>40211191
the aspect of god known as the father is strictly referred to as the father and is as much a title attributed to god as it is the name of that given aspect of god

so Jesus, the son, was referring to himself, the father, externally, by his own, yet different, name.

say your name was Andy but you went by your middle name, john, and your 3 year old son accidentally spilled his milk on the kitchen counter which upset you but you simply couldn't bring yourself to blame him because you love him so you said out loud "forgive him, Andy; he doesn't know what he did."
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>>40211193
Well the Lord is omnipotent. I don't see why he couldn't take multiple forms.
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>>402112977
You're not clever enough to realize that Satan lied to Mohamtriggered, so, no, you're not really that clever.
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>>40211280
can god not ask himself a question?

can you not ask yourself a question?
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>>40211299
God dwells in unapproachable light. Had He remained there, none of us would know Him.

He manifested Himself to us just so that we could know Him. He manifested Himself as Father, as Son, as Spirit, so that we could begin to know who He is.

And once knowing, choose to believe, and trust, in Him.

And not on man triggerede rules like "don't drink, don't eat pork, worship a meteorite, eat at night for a month", etc.
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>>402113199
Muslims are absolutely positive that they know what God can and cannot do, and what God will and will not do.

Just ask one.
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>>40211319
>can god not ask himself a question?
How the fuck does this make any sense?

Christians are the only people I know on Earth that make God seem stupid by creating dumb questions like these.

>>40211341
God will do whatever he wants, whenever he wants.

Except let his creation murder him. Because that makes no fucking sense.
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>>402094477

ayy lmao
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>>40211330
Yeah, pretty much this.
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>>402113577
See?

This muslim is sure that God would not sacrifice Himself so that some of mankind might be saved.

People like him, might be saved.

People that Jesus loved enough to come down from heaven and die for.

And then rise from the dead in order to provide eternal life for.
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>Also, at the very least, the Crusades didn't consist of self-inflicted violence. It was misguided, but not buttfuck reweenieed like blowing up your own schools and hospitals and beheading everyone who looks at you wrong.

The Fourth Crusade successfully attacked and pillaged Christian Constantinople, substantially leading to the decline of the Byzantine Empire and the Ottoman Muslims taking it over a couple of centuries later.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Crusade

>The Latin soldiery subjected the greatest city in Europe to an indescribable sack. For three days they murdered, raped, looted and destroyed on a scale which even the ancient Vandals and Goths would have found unbelievable.
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>>40209447
What if i told you?... we all are.
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>>40211357
>How the fuck does this make any sense?
>God will do whatever he wants, whenever he wants.
>Except let his creation murder him. Because that makes no fucking sense.

one of these statements is not like the others

why is it that Muslims are so incapable of thinking abstractly?
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>>40211373
the fourth crusade was not condoned by the church and got all the participants excommunicated
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>>40211373
Orthodox vs Catholicism there. It's not quite self-inflicted when one side believes that the other side is heretical.
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>>402113899
God can't die, you fucking reweenie, so why the fuck or how the fuck did Jesus supposedly die?
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>>40211429
Christ was in a human body. That body died.
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>>402113199
So god first asks himself a question and answers it then. Sorry but this would be shizophrenic and jesus was not that.
I mean that inner conversation would not be normal. You would never speak with yourself like that and answer in the same second to yourself. At least not in the matter he is speaking about there.

>>402112988
Andy as first name and joshuar as a second name and then calling yourself with your second name is totally different then having the name jesus and only jesus and to call yourself father. Lets say this. People called him father back in the day which they weren´t, it would still not be right to himself father just because other people called him father.
For example you are good in mathmatics and people call you genius. You wouldnt say ahh he is a child genius, dont slap him. If we could have discussed in german, I could give much better examples.
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>>402114299
By humbling Himself and becoming human, a poor human at that.

By a miracle, by the grace and mercy of God, Who was not willing to cast all of humanity into hell.
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>>40211372
God does not need to sacrifice himself to forgive them. He just has to say it and i would be.
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>>40211434
You're putting God on the couch? Yeah, good luck with that.

God chose to manifest Himself in the flesh, and in the spirit, and who are you to say that God manifested in the flesh cannot speak with God manifested in the Spirit?
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>>40211432
WAIT A FUCKING MINUTE

So that means Jesus didn't die? If it was just the 'body' that died, why do you believe he himself died? If just his body died, why did he need a resurrection?
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>>40211451
Without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of sins.

For the wages of sin is death.

These things are basic to the reality that God created; to think otherwise is to minimize how horrific sin is to God.
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>>40211467
Jesus died, and on the third day, He rose from the dead, in a transformed and eternal body.
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>>40211297
The fool always considers himself to be clever.
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>>402114677
I have news for you, sport.

When your body dies, you will just be without a body. You are an eternal being.

You will then be provided with an eternal body, either to shame and destruction, destined for eternal torment, or glorified unto eternal life.

Your choice.

Choose more wisely than Mohammed did.
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>>40211475
>Jesus died, and on the third day,

Make up your fucking mind.

Either Jesus (God) loveed himself

or Jesus didn't actually die
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>>40211426

You sound just like the muslims mate.

That's why they loveed the schoolkids, because they thought they were being heretical.
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>>402114977
Jesus actually died. The executioners went to break His legs in order to suffocate Him faster, but He was already dead. Just to make sure, they stabbed Him in the heart with a spear, and water and blood came out, separated, indicating that He was in fact dead.

And then on the third day, He walked out of His grave whole, but for the scars He kept in HIs hands, feet and side. Very much alive, just as He is today.

Christianity is the belief that Jesus is the Savior, the Son of the Living God.

He has to be alive, for that to work.
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>>40211434
>So god first asks himself a question and answers it then.
are you saying you've never done this?

because this is a pretty normal thing for people to do

>Andy as first name and joshuar as a second name and then calling yourself with your second name is totally different then having the name jesus and only jesus and to call yourself father. Lets say this. People called him father back in the day which they weren´t, it would still not be right to himself father just because other people called him father
>For example you are good in mathmatics and people call you genius. You wouldnt say ahh he is a child genius, dont slap him. If we could have discussed in german, I could give much better examples.
what in the actual fuck are you saying?

Jesus was the same as the father and he was referring to himself as the father in the context of the son

take Obama for example. people call him mr. president all the time but if a cabinet member were to accidentally wrong him and say "oh, sorry mr. president" Obama might think to himself "just forgive him Barack."

are literally this incapable of thinking abstractly?
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>>402115488
Yes, when they want to be.
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>>40211537
Okay, the question still stands.

Why does God need to be destroyed by his own creation to save mankind?
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>>402114588
Im sorry but that holy spirit and the holy one in the flesh that all does not make sense to me. That is probalby the reason, why I have not converted to christianity.

>>402114700
But such logic doesen´t apply to god. There needs no blood to be shed when god can just forgive all sins from one moment to another. Worse is, that it is gods blood himself he is shedding. I really try to see it neutral and it just doesen´t make sense to me.
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>>40211467
Jesus in human form died but Jesus in spiritual/holy/divine form didnt
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>>40211223

You say 'the youth' as if there is only one kind of it, which is bullshit. Different kinds of influences form different kinds of people. 'The youth' splits into a whole lot of segments. And just because a small segment of it is fucked up Germany needs Islam? Stop fooling yourself.

Islam is not and will never be a suitable solution for the problems we face. Every country where Islam took power slowly but surely turned to shit. And don't mention Turkey as a counterargument, the only reason they behave is because they still have hope being welcomed into the EU.

According to Islam Allah makes the laws. But here in Germany, we have a democracy. We, the people, negotiate and decide about what makes sense as a law and what doesn't. I don't see how replacing a democracy with a dictatorship by a dead guy solves anything.
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>>402115577
In order to pay the penalties for all of the violations of the Law.

Each sin against God requires a death, and each sin requires the wrath of God upon it, as He is holy, just and righteous.

Jesus came to earth to do just that; to bear the wrath of God on all of the sins of mankind, yours and mine included, and then to pay the death price; He died, with our sins on Him.

So every sin has been punished appropriately; the wrath of God was unleashed on the Son on the cross, and then the Son died, with those sins on Him.

The holiness, justice, and righteousness of God has been satisfied, and in His grace and mercy, He offers the hot pockets gift of salvation to all who believe in Jesus.

That is the gospel, the good news. That Jesus has paid a debt He did not owe, because we owed a debt we could not pay.

That is the greatest act of love in history.
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>>40209778

Some of us worship Jesus the Christ. Some of us pray to Kali Ma. Some of us don't pray and think it silly to do so. If you can't be ok with all of those, how can you seem so shocked when no one gives what you're saying, a second of open minded consideration?
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>>40211467
He didn't need one. The resurrection was just a miracle for the sake of being a miracle. Also, bodily death is the definition of death. If your heart stops beating, you die. It doesn't mean that your soul stopped existing.
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>>402115588
It is God's Law. God set the penalty for sin, and as God is the Judge of the Universe, and is holy, just and righteous, He will not let crimes go unpunished.

The price of sin is death, and the life of a creature is in its blood. Therefore, the price of sin is the shedding of the life blood, causing death.

Which is what Jesus paid in our stead, so that we might believe, and live with Him forever.
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>>40211548

>are you saying you've never done this?
because this is a pretty normal thing for people to do

What he is talking about makes it just unbelivable. That is not something you talk LIKE THAT with yourself. Even God talking to himself feels wrong to me.

>>40211548

>Jesus was the same as the father and he was referring to himself as the father in the context of the son

It just makes no sense to me. Like I said, it even feels not right to me, that god speaks to himself like that. And on top of that, about that.
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>>40211568
But God can't die, so Jesus can't die.

But Jesus supposedly did die, so therefore he couldn't have been God.

How are you still not seeing it?
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>>402116188
If Christ Jesus had remained dead, we would have no hope. His sacrifice would have been for nothing, and all of humanity would be cast into hell.

By His death we are reconciled with God, but by His resurrection we are offered the gift of eternal life.

His resurrection is vital not only to His existence, but to ours.
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>>40211634
Can I ask you a question?

If God were small enough for you to completely understand, would He be big enough for you to worship?
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>>40211640
Again, a muslim saying what God can and cannot do, and what God will and will not do.

As though what humans think about God constrains God in any way.
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>>40211666
What in the fuck does this have to do with being a Muslim, or what humans think?

If you believe God can die, then how can he be called God? What is actually wrong with you?
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We simply don't have all the answers. They haven't all been revealed to us. But until the day that all the answers are given, we can love each other as brothers. Brothers love each other and still fight. Brothers also love each other when the other does something he doesn't approve of. But loving each other means we don't love each other. We don't sleep with our brother's wives. We don't steal from our brothers. The ten commandments are not rules, they are a good guideline for loving our brothers and sisters.
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>>40211583
I dont want islamic laws in germany or anywhere. I am for democracy. What really has to change is the mindset of the parents, that allow everything and say it is normal. Es werden nicht mehr die richtigen Werte vermittelt und genau das ist das Problem in unserer jetzigen Gesellschaft. Alles ist normal geworden aber das sollte es nicht. Und ich möchte nicht den Islam als Lösung, sondern das die Menschen hier wieder die richtigen Werte an die Kinder vermitteln. Die Gesellschaft verkommt und die nachfolgenden Generationen werden nur noch schlimmer werden.
Ich möchte nicht, dass irgendwann meine Kinder denken das alles sei normal. Ist es nämlich nicht. Aber das wird es sein, was sie in der Schule sehen und in ihrer Freizeit erfahren werden, wenn sich nicht langsam etwas tut.
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>>402117000
You say "God cannot die."

That is an islamic apology.

Christians say that Jesus is God, and that he became human so that He could die for our sins.

By you saying "God cannot die", you are only expressing your opinion. It is not a fact.

I believe Jesus had the power to lay down His life, and that Jesus had the power to pick it back up again.

Because He is God.
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>>40211640
the vessel that contains god (the body of christ) can and very much did die
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>>40211620
We can discuss about this for days and I will not agree with you and you not with me.
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>>40211641
Notice how the whole sacrificial lamb thing in Judaism never involved resurrecting the lamb.

The death is what paid for the sins. The resurrection was largely symbolic.
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>>40211634
if man can do it, god can do it

to assume that god is incapable of doing what can would be to diminish god
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>>40211720
John 10:18

No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father.”

This is why I believe that.
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>>40211720
The death of which you speak is only physical death. Jesus died in the flesh for those that are flesh. His spirit is the holy spirit, which he left with us as a comforter, but he is God. And the mechanics you speak of are more complex than the explanations we have been given.
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>>40211640
You're having some issues distinguishing between the body and the spirit.
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>>40211737
I agree with God, as revealed in the Word of God, inspired by God.

While you are correct in that I will never abandon the Word of God, I would hope that you will eventually seek the truth that is Jesus Christ.
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>>40211720
>You say "God cannot die."
THAT'S BECAUSE HE FUCKING CAN'T.

THAT'S WHY HE'S CALLED GOD.

THAT'S WHAT MAKES HIM DIVINE.

IF SOMETHING CAN DIE IT IS NOT DIVINE.

IT CANNOT BE GOD.

>>40211727
But how? I'm asking you fucking how and why? Why can't you answer to me why God has to die to save mankind? Why can't you answer to me how God can die in the first place?

I want to understand you people but I can't. You don't make any fucking sense.
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>>40211704
Im with you. I do not care if you are a muslim or not. If you behave like a good human being, I am your brother and I will be good to you.
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>>40211744
I fear for your soul at this point. It's not enough to have the truth in your head, it has to be in your heart.

The same Holy Spirit Who resurrected Jesus has to be in you, or you are still spiritually dead, no matter how smart you are, or how much you know.
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>>40211744
But that is something that happened in the human world where human standards applied. Human standards do not apply to God.
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>>40211767
And I to you.
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>>40211759
a vase containing water can shatter and leave the water remaining

so a vessel containing the spirit of god can die and leave the spirit of god remaining
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>>40211759
You are saying that God cannot manifest in the flesh, which is something that you have done.

You are saying that you can do something that God cannot do.
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>>40211747
But god is not a human and god wouln´t do such a thing.
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>>40211759
>I define what God is

If you don't play Call of Duty, can you die in Call of Duty? If you get Call of Duty, can you die in Call of Duty?

If you don't have a physical form, can you have a physical death? If you get a physical form, can you cause that physical form to die?
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>>40211804
>god wouln´t do such a thing
who are we to say what god would and wouldn't do?
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>>40211758
Jesus is my prophet and I respect and love him. And I also belive same as you, that I follow the true word of god. I also wish for you, that you will find islam. But I also belive, if you are a true beliver and do respect my religion, that you will still get into paradise.
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>>40211659
>Can I ask you a question?
>If God were small enough for you to completely understand, would He be big enough for you to worship?

If God was big enough for us to not understand why would he be small enough to care about our worship?

What makes you think that if there is a unknowable sentient being out there that created everything it gives a flying fuck about your worship?

Do you have any grasp of how big our galaxy is, yet alone the Universe (if it is finite at all)?

What makes you think it would care whether you pray, or who you fuck, or what you wear, or what you say or what buildings you make, or what rules you follow?

Do you care about the mating rituals of the bacteria in your anus?
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>>40211802
God could but it just wouldn´t make sense because he can do whatever he want´s without entering a human body. Why enter a human body then.
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>>40211797
>Comparing God to water
Sorry, the analogy does nothing for me, because it makes no sense.

>>40211802
>>40211825
You people are fucking insane.

You tell yourself you believe in God, but at the same time you believe God can die.

I mean, if that isn't the biggest contradiction ever, I don't what is.
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>>40211858
why does a father care if his child respects him?
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Picking out our differences rather than our similarities is why war still exists. What do we all have in common. We all have bodies and emotions. We are capable of loving each other. We are capable of sloves that benefit the whole. Our similarities make us strong together. If we only only acknowledge the differences we fertilize contempt for each other
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>>40211875
the analogy makes no sense to you because you refuse to think abstractly
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>>402118044
God had a Son; His name is Jesus. We talk about Him a lot.

He is as fully man as though not God, and as fully God as though not Man.
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>>40211840
Because it would be under gods dignity. You wouldn´t turn into something that is beneath you, if you could handle that matter without turning to it.
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>>402118477
If you only know Jesus as a prophet, then He does not know you.

You have to have the Holy Spirit inside you for God to know who you are, and as you are a sovereign being, you have kept Him at bay, calling Him only a prophet like the men that He triggerede, and turned into prophets.
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>>40211895
Dude no.

God isn't water. God is eternal and water isn't. An eternal being CANNOT DIE otherwise

IT

CANT

BE

ETERNAL

I honestly feel like Im being taken for a ride...
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>>402118822

What makes you so egotistical to think an unknowable sentient being that created the universe and exists outside of time is your dad?

Are you the mum of the speck of dust I just hoovered up?
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>>402118588
Because He is Who He is, He is worthy of all praise and worship, as He spoke the universe into being.

That He desires to have a relationship with us is something you should take advantage of, as I have.

I know, personally, the Creator, and I know, for certain, that I will live with Him forever.
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>>402118744
In Hebrew law, there is a Kinsman Redeemer.

Let's say your brother, who has part of your land, is broke, and sells it.

Before a third party can take it, a relative can step up and redeem that which was going to be lost. That relative must be ready, willing, and able to do so, and, of course, must be a relative.

God became our relative just so that He could redeem us; buy us back from satan, who tricked our forefather Adam into gaining dominion over this planet.

And by believing in God, we gain what Adam lost; the Breath of Life, the Holy Spirit of God, Who comes and tabernacles, or lives, inside of us, never again to depart, as Jesus solved the sin problem. Once and for all.

God became flesh so that you could know Him, and love Him back.
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>>40211928
its called abstract thought and an analogy

im not saying god IS water in a vase
im saying jesus was LIKE water in a vase
jesus was LIKE content in a container
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>>402118755
And again, you think you can dictate what God can and cannot do.

You have the further handicap of being told that christians worship three gods.

We do not. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are One God, YHWH, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

So while the Son died, and was dead for three days, the Father never died, and the Spirit never died.

One God, manifested in ways useful to your salvation. It would do you great good to find out how, and why.
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>>402118822
You simply cannot have children.

>>40211891
Heaven and hell have differences, and it is wise to choose the former over the latter, and not to concentrate on their both being eternal destinations.
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>>40211910
who are we to say what is under god's dignity?

and who are we to suppose that the way god handled the matter is not the best way to have handled the matter?
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>>40211928
God the Father never died, and cannot die.
God the Spirit never died, and cannot die.
God the Son became a human just so that He could die, and pay the death price for our sins.
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>>40211772
I'm not saying that he didn't resurrect, or that it isn't important. His resurrection was proof of the fact that he was divine. However, it is not what payed for the sins of man.
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>>402119811
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>>402119444
Im out guys this won´t lead to anything. Peace.
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>>40212012
Gethsemane convinced me there was no other way.
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>>40212012
Because god could have handled it however he wanted to. There was no need for him to come down to earth live 40 years or how long jesus lived and let himself torture and love for your sins. Well i am really out now.
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>>40211928
Are you incapable of understanding that one can undergo a physical death without the spirit perishing?
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>>40212017
But it is what provides salvation.

Forgiveness of sins is not salvation.

If all that happened so far in your life is that you realized that Jesus died and paid for your sins, you are a forgiven but spiritually dead being.

The resurrection contains the power to indwell the Holy Spirit into your life, and to make you a new creation in Christ Jesus.
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>>40212048
*love
What is up with the autocorrect
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>>40212048
There was only one way. Jesus.

Jesus said, "I am The Way, The Truth, and The Life; no man comes to the Father but by Me."
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>>40211981
My dear brother, how does this change the fact you still believe God died?

>>40212015
>God the Son became a human just so that He could die, and pay the death price for our sins.
Why does God need to love himself
AND PAY THE DEATH PRICE
FOR HIS OWN
FUCKING
CREATION

HOW FUCK DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU MAN
WHY THE FUCK DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU

I just...don't know anymore.
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>>40212048
that doesn't answer the question.
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>>402120800
Because when Adam sinned in the Garden, he lost the Holy Spirit that was living in him.

God and sin do not live together.

And Adam and Eve, having sinned, and having lost the Holy Spirit, could only bear children in their own image, children that were as spiritually dead as they were.

By Adam's sin, all of humanity was doomed.
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>>40212080
the human container holding the divine god died
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>>402120844
There are objectively better ways to handle that matter. I belive that god would take the best course of action. In whatever he does.
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>>40212055
So, you're saying that if Christ chose not to resurrect and instead decided to leave his physical body on the Earth, then he would be incapable of serving as an intermediate between man and God and the Holy Spirit wouldn't be allowed to enter the human body?
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>>40212051
Are you incapable of understanding that God can't die?

>>40212111
Here we fucking go again

If the human container holding God (Jesus) died, then that means Jesus can't be God, because God can't die.
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>>402121533
God forbid, yes.

1 Corinthians 15
12 Now if Christ is preached that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not risen. 14 And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty.

Romans 6
5 For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. 7 For he who has died has been hot pocketsd from sin. 8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, 9 knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him.
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>>40212196
are you your body or are you your soul?
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>>40212196
At what point did God die? A physical body died, but you are not solely your physical body.
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>>40212196
Are you incapable of understanding that your point has been demolished at least 6 times in this thread?

That God became a human so that He could die for us?

That God the Father and God the Spirit never died, and cannot die, but that God chose to manifest in the flesh for the sole purpose of redeeming mankind?

Are you incapable of comprehending that?
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>>402121966
I tell you what. Say instead that Allah cannot die, and never died, because allah never did.

Allah never performed any act of love for anyone.

Because allah is not just "God" translated into arabic, it's an entity the entire world knows as satan.
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>>40212204
The first one is targeted towards those arguing that resurrection is impossible, which would conflict with the fact that Christ rose from the dead. It does little to display the necessity of Christ's resurrection, only that he did, and that thinking otherwise calls into doubt the power of God.

The latter shows the metaphorical significance of Christ's resurrection in establishing that he has power over death, but does nothing to say that he had to resurrect himself for things to work.

Once again, neither prove that his resurrection had anything to do with the act of sin being forgiven, only that it represents redemption and being born again.
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>>40212207
I'm both but we're not talking about just anyone here.

We're talking about God. And according to you, both the vessel and the soul are God, which makes no sense to begin with, but then apparently the vessel died, which then means the vessel can't be God because God can't die.

>>40212208
God died when the vessel died, because according to you, the vessel, as well as the spirit, is God.
But God can't die, so the vessel cannot be God.

>>40212215
>That God became a human so that He could die for us?
But God can't die.

Also, why does he have to become a human and die for our salvation? How the fuck does that make sense you reweenie.
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>>402122877
Keep reading.

16 For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen. 17 And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins! 18 Then also those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished.
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>>402123055
You keep saying "God can't die" like an autist.

Are you autistic?
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>>402123055
And to answer your last question, He did NOT have to become one of us and die for us and save us.
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>>40212332
Bro, how can you believe in God, and at the same time believe that God can die?
>>40212340
This doesn't change the fact that you believe he died man.

I'm just waiting for the thread to die. Why won't it die already...
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>>402123855
I know my Savior died, so that I might live.

I know my Savior, Jesus of Nazareth, is the Messiah, the Christ, the Son of the Living God.

I know He came to earth just so that He could pay the price of my sins, and die in my place, so that I might live with Him.

For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him might not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 3:16

My Lord lives, and is returning soon to claim what is His.
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Oh look another Satan's book!
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>>40212419
I guess we're just gonna have to find out for ourselves.
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