thought this deserved a little attention. Jesus Christ, ther

>>37617733
as long as they's how you're gonna be about this, how about i piss you off even more.
i'm a jew.

>>37617566
>1.6 billion

Not for long thanks to ISIS and the global Jihad they're declared as a Caliphate.

>>37617733
Please blow up

the first CONFIRMED isis agent that kills someone on american soil is grounds to glass syria and iraq

i want the tension to stop already and they shoot up some synagogue in new york and we go iraq war 2 electric boogaloo all over them.

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>>37617566
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
>>> tfw there are 2.18 billion Christians

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>Selective evidence
Stay enraged, retard. I rub my cheeks in joy knowing that your cultures are fading away and being engrossed by Islam. Please, keep flinging your shit on a fucking imageboard instead of actually doing anything about it, you hopeless, pathetic cumskin.

We should start a kickstarter to drop bacon all over the middle east

>>37620844
ha. i would donate

>>37621371
ISIS wants to attack our embassy? Cover it in bacon, declare victory

>>37619408
Islam is dead. Your children's children will be forced to assimilate and we can do it really easily, too.

Enjoy your 'culture' of eventual watered down nothing.

>>37621571
It's ingenious!

>>37617831
and I'm a black jew from new york who lives exclusively off of welfare

>>37621702
It would probably work. Surround Baghdad in pork products, durkas will refuse to advance

>>37618580
And the amount grows by conversion rather than birth.

"disbelievers" refers to the polytheistic Meccans who were jealous of Muhammad's sudden rise in popularity and wanted to destroy the Muslims because it threatened their power, wealth and way of life.

>>37622115
>being jealous of a pedophile

>>37622161
I know right? It's dumb but that's how it went down.

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>>37621657
>Islam is dead.
ha

hahaha

hahAHHHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAAA

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>37619408
I'm a burger so it ain't.
Unless you can get to the spics, here's a hint it will never happen, America will never bow to Allah.

>>37622185
>threatened their power, wealth and way of life
They seem like kikes

>>37622246
Religion is dead only in the hearts of the socialists and consumerists. Millions convert to Christianity in Asia and Africa - causing a boom in economy and civilized behavior. Millions abandon Christianity in Europe, USA, and what happens is...
At worst this means that humans need a collective illusion on how things need to be, and at best it means that we get what we deserve.

>>37622298
They allied themselves with several powerful Jewish tribes who lived in and around Mecca at the time so maybe it rubbed off on them.

>>37617566
JIDF JIDF JIDF herpaderpdarp

>>37622379
So mudslimes=kikes?

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>>37617733
be offended domewhere else

>>37622490
No I mean the polytheistic Meccans who were fighting against the Muslims allied themselves with several Jewish tribes.

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>>37622359
>Religion is dead
Please stop. You're killing me.

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/int/ are being faggots.

Anyone know the translation for this plaque?

I am assuming it's Allah something or whatever.

I'm not a muslim, I hate the cunts. The trouble I have with that image though, is that you could probably find similar things in all scriptures from each religion.

People will see this as blatant cherry-picking and hence disregard the message. You'll also cop flack for 'fear mongering' or 'bigotry'.

>>37622625
It says "Muhammad is a faggot"

>>37622634
>implying whoever wrote this has ever read the Quran

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>>37617566
The only muslims I can appreciate are honest muslims like this speaker.

>dat lone infidel in the front role

>>37622680
Ok, so it says Muhammad something something.

One piece of the puzzle solved. (not a muzzie myself, just trying to see what this is translated).

>>37617733

hi reddit.

>>37621802
white jew from new york who lives entirely on welfare!
Shalom!

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Even the world's largest muslim country is worrying it's turning Christian.

Hohohohohoho:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Y4_PFvHqDg

>>37622410
who would you rather have as a neighbor?
a jew or a muslim?
fuck, even the leader of Hamas is pro-jewish.... when it comes to what doctors he takes his children to see

>>37622625
God is with the patient

>>37622809
What makes you think that?
I just wanted to insult the most famous pedo in history

>>37622986
Shut up pedo worshiper

>>37622986
Thank you kindly.

>>37622630
when you consider how very small the Koran is, especially compared to the Bible, there is a disturbing discordance in how much is teaches, and praises, violence.

people may be "created equal" but ideologies aren't. anything negative that can be said about the ideology of any prevalent religion in this world can be said a hundred times stronger against the barbarity that is Islam

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>>37622928

>>37623042

Interesting. I wasn't aware of the size of it.

I wonder, are there any infographics or websites that break down each and every utterance of violence? Preferably compared to other religions.

>>37622625
Indeed, God is with the patient ones.

>>37622687
have you?
i mean, fucking seriously?
only the most painfully fucking ignorant apologists claim there is minimal calls for violence in the Koran.
if you really want to be so stupid as to act in defense of that disgusting religion, you could at least try by saying "the calls for violence were all for local, immediate issues and threats and those who act on them today are hijacking Islam!"

>>37623148
I have. Have you?
>you could at least try by saying "the calls for violence were all for local, immediate issues and threats
I did:
>>37622115

>>37623148
>violence is wrong
>being this much of a pacifist faggot

>>37623100
that would be interesting to see, but i doubt any "credible" group has or would do such a thing. potential for being "politically incorrect" and "insensitive" is too high.
and while someone may have independently done some reviews, they're most likely on websites trying to warn against the spread of Islam. And while i believe what is they say, generally, it is hardly a place to go for any sort of unbiased comparison

>>37623225
where did i say violence was wrong?
where did i say i was a pacifist?
what kind of point are you even trying to make?

>>37623283
your whole fucking argument is about muh violence sounding like a little pacifist

yeah lemme get attacked by others and not reply so that pacifist like you can say " ohhh look so peaceful "

fuck off

>>37623347
attacked by others? like the woman. buried up to her shoulders, and then slowly stoned to death for adultery?
or the father who stabs his 15 year old daughter 77 times because she doesn't want to wear a hijab?
or the person who want to make a personal choice of faith and not be muslim anymore?

yes, surely the damage they've inflicted on islam is deserving!
wait, no, it's not.

my argument is that even "moderate" muslims support calls to violence.

but the calls they support, or historically celebrate, are very rarely defensive, or objectively defensible.

Muhammad had a man tortured to death by lighting a fire on his chest, out of an attempt to find out where the guy had hidden gold.
and i'm a pacifist faggot for thinking that a religion based on that man as a role model might be a bad thing

>>37623254

You make good points. Hopefully I'll stumble across something.

>>37623501
>Muhammad had a man tortured to death by lighting a fire on his chest, out of an attempt to find out where the guy had hidden gold

anything wrong with that?

>After this defeat, the fortress of Camuss surrendered, on condition that the inhabitants were free to leave the country, but that they should give up all their property to the conqueror. With the rest, came forth Kinana, chief of the Jews of Kheibar, and his cousin. Mahomet accused them both of keeping back, in contravention of the compact, a portion of their riches, especially the treasures of the Bani Nadhir, which Kinana had obtained as a marriage portion with his wife Safia, the daughter of Huwey who perished in the slaughter of the Bani Coreitza.

"Where are the vessels of gold," he asked, "which ye used to lend to the people of Mecca?" They protested that they no longer possessed them.

"If ye conceal anything from me," continued Mahomet, "and should I gain knowledge of it, then your lives and the lives of your families shall be at my disposal." They answered that it should be so.
A traitorous Jew, having divulged to Mahomet the place in which a part of their wealth was deposited, he sent and fetched it. On the discovery of this attempt at imposition, Kinana was subjected to cruel torture,--"fire being placed upon his breast till his breath had almost departed,"--in the hope that he would confess where the rest of his treasures were concealed. Mahomet then gave command, and the heads of the two chiefs were severed from their bodies.

>A traitorous Jew, having divulged to Mahomet the place in which a part of their wealth was deposited, he sent and fetched it

oy lmao

>>37623546
well, if Muhammad was a jew, i bet there's all sorts of things /pol/ would have to say about that.
in all seriousness, though, your reply right there has kinda confirmed for me you're just being a fag and baiting.

>>37623593
>the fortress of Camuss surrendered, on condition that the inhabitants were free to leave the country, but that they should give up all their property to the conqueror

>>37623615
yeah, i read >>37623565 i get the point.
how is this fact supposed to make Muhammad look any better?

>>37623671
>terms of surrender tell to give up gold
>everyone gives his
>chief kike keeps his

come on now

>>37622246
Islam as any kind of empire, whatever is dead, Ahmed. Your little 'caliphate' is its last dying gasp.

You'll see in time. You are nothing and we will ensure you come to understand that. And we will start with your children - wait and see. Taking the fangs out of religion is something we've been doing for a very long time. Enjoy the sun setting on humanity's last view of the empire of mohamed.

Your obvious tears are delicious.

>>37623773
>Islam as any kind of empire

wow

are you a philosopher?

>>37623714
right. Muhammad, pissed that the jews won't convert, attacks their homes, slaughters many, drives the rest out with their lives on the condition that they leave ALL worldly possession behind, and brutally slaughters those who try to leave with even the smallest bit of money.
and the only thing you can take from that story is "God damn those shifty jews!"

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>>37622881
>>37621802
>>37617831

>>37623832
>kikes din do nufin

there was a war you know

i love his smile when he says "so what are they going to say we are all radical?"

Yes dummy kek. Idiot thinks he's being clever.

>>37623832
Nah, conversion was not only never forced but it was discouraged until long after Muhammad was dead. A couple hundred years after IIRC.

>>37623971
no, there was an invasion.
they invited Muhammad in after Mecca kicked his ass out, and after a few years, and seeing how increasingly violent he was becoming, they wanted him gone

>>37623949
so edgy.

>>37623821
Your raging butt mad is so obvious, Ahmed.

Still, you have time to head over to your 'caliphate' to get a few rapes and beheadings in yet. Just remember: we are in control of our societies and we will decide how your children are raised for the betterment of all. Enjoy these days because you are the last. And if you think we can't do it, and that your precious ISIS didn't give us all the reason we need, you're even more foolishly deluded than you already seem.

>>37624065
convert, pay the jizya while living as a second class citizen with virtually no rights, or die. Muhammad was pretty clear on that

There are 1.6 fucking billion muslims on this fucking earth

You cannot, i repeat, can-fucking-not generalize 1.6 billion people based off the delusions of several million radicals. These people in the video are fucking radical's you nimwits, majority of muslims arn't stoning or beheading people on the streets, otherwise there wouldn't be 1.6 billion of them.

ISLAM as a whole is radical and corrupt as fuck. Debate me I fucking dare you muslim fucks.

>>37624277
All these people use the same texts the so-called 'innocent' muslims you're trying to suggest, do. They go from fellow citizens to murderous, rapingg, beheading cunts in the proverbial blink of an eye. Islam is an inherently dangerous ideology that by it's very nature can not coexist in any peaceful way with its host culture. Either they all get out of our countries or we destroy them before it's too late.

>>37624317
>Debate me
I'm about to go to the mosque. Maybe next time. Selam :)

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If it is not a religion of peace that would be a plus. Before suicidal perverse wimpy Christ insanity our folk had warrior religions. If not for our folk being infected with Jewish Christ insanity no other people could be a serious threat to us. http://mightisright.net/

>>37624277
There area LOT of pittbulls in this world.

You cannot, I reapeat, can-fucking-not generalize this amount of pittbulls based off the delusions of the events that some of them causes. These dogs are daricals you nimwits, majority of pittbulls arent biting or attacking people on the streets, otherwise there wouldnt be so many of them

>>37624317
some muslims are corrupt

some are radical

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There are indeed a LOT of extremist muslims, in some countries they are even a majority, but leftists never admit it. See the recent Sam Harris vs. Ben Affleck debate. Their response to facts is "dats rascist".

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>>37624075
>so edgy.
wasn't trying to be.

>>37624277
>You cannot, i repeat, can-fucking-not generalize 1.6 billion people based off
look, if they were a race, then you're right, you CAN NOT generalize.
but islam is an ideology.
you have EVERY RIGHT to hate an ideology, as well as the right to question the integrity of the people who subscribe to ideologies.

when they say that what they believe is in the Koran and Hadith (which it is), then how are they radical? how are they not simply "faithful" to their faith.

I don't hate muslims indiscriminately. with 1.6 billion of them out there, statistically a good many of them are truly good people.

but i DO hate the ideology they CHOOSE to follow, and i am unashamed of that

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Maybe you can't generalize due to retardation &/or mindless slogans against stereotyping & generalizing that you have been taught to parrot. I can generalize a few things about pit bulls. Generalizing is the foundation of rational thinking. That applies to both types - inductive & deductive reasoning. http://mightisright.net/

>>37624401
sure thing, stormfag

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>>37624504

And its not just those in sandnigger countries.. 1/3 of young British muslims support killing apostates. No wonder Britain is the biggest western jihad fighter exporter.

>>37624505
no, i supposed hating jews on /pol/ isn't edgy.
it's about the safest thing you can fucking do, actually

>>37617566
>>37617733
>>37623118
>hurr durr Islam isn't violent

Sahih al-Bukhari 6922 - Allah's Messenger said, "If anyone changed his Islamic religion, then kill him".

Qur'an 9:5 And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush.

Qur'an 9:29 - Fight those who do not believe in Allah ..

Qur'an 9:73 - O Prophet! Strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them.

Qur'an 9:111 - Surely Allah has bought of the believers their persons and their property for this, that they shall have the garden; they fight in Allah's way, so they slay and are slain.

Qur'an 9:123 - O you who believe! Fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness.

Qur'an 5:51 - O you who believe! Do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other.

Qur'an 47:35 - Be not weary and fainthearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost.

Qur'an 48:29 - Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and those who are with him are severe against disbelievers, and merciful among themselves.

Sahih Muslim 30 - (Muhammad speaking) "I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah".

Sahih Muslim 4366 - (Muhammad speaking) "I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslims".

Sunan An-Nasa'i 3099 - The Prophet said: "Whoever dies without having fought or having thought of fighting, he does on one of the branches of hypocrisy".

Sunan Ibn Majah 2763 - The Messenger of Allah said: "Whoever meets Allah with no mark on him (as a result of fighting) in His cause, he will meet Him with a deficiency".

>>37624480
The fundamental Muslims (who emulate Muhammad and the early Muslims) are following Islam. Most westernized Muslims follow a watered down version which ignores the violent calls to offensive Jihad by Muhammad.

See >>37624583

>>37618023
I want to see all these high tech weapons the US has on hold fucking unleashed.

We need another display of military power at large.

Why is it Islam is infecting the world and for the most part people are letting it happen (people power)?

Do these threats of violence really leave them no other choice than to just roll over and accept it?

>>37624670
People in power*

I actually got into a talk with a guy who said that Christianity is no better than radical Islam because of the Crusades and the fact that Christianity was the driving force behind the Holocaust. I honestly did not know how to respond.

>>37624583
OP here. why the fuck are you linking ME with this post?
my entire POINT was the Islam is violent.
learn to fucking read. or watch the video i posted. or look at my fucking pic.
just because i agree with you on Islam it doesn't make you any less of a fucking retard here.

>>37624718
I wasn't aware Christians had a crusade recently.

What a swell person you spoke to, they seem really up to speed with the world.

>>37624761
not to mention the fact that the crusades were a defensive show of force, called because Islamic forces were attacking the Byzantine empire.
but, you know, people that them? they don't need facts, they have opinions!

>>37624347

this.

the problem is, as the caliphate gets larger and swallows up more land, the "moderates" see more and more that taking over the planet could actually become a reality, which happens to be one of their end time prophecies. this will surely begin a snowball effect.

>>37624761
Pretty much my reaction, yeah. The Crusades were my favourite part of history growing up so I kind of laid into that a bit, mentioning that it was a thousand fucking years ago besides, at which point he backpedaled and brought up the Holocaust. I didn't want to say anything retarded on this subject, so I decided to drop it. But, what? Where does radical christianity fit into that?

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>>37617566
These people readily admit that their true goal is nightmare and murder. They openly admit they are sadistic psychopaths.

Liberals and right-wing Hitlerites simply will not admit this truth. I now think the liberals and conservatives are secretly working together in a "good cop, bad cop" way to bring Islam into this country to destroy it.

The phantom menace is very real indeed. Be are being actively betrayed at the deepest levels by all those who are our government.

>>37624947
funny thing.
"moderate" Christians have no issue with telling "radical Christians" that they can go fuck themselves.
moderate muslims, the ones actually still part of the faith but against the barbarism? they won't speak up, out of fear.

it really drives me nuts when people try to create a moral equivalence between the two

>>37624739
I know what you stated in the OP. Calm down. We're on the same side. I'll disregard your ad hominem attacks.

>>37625120
it seems i accidently deleted part of my comment

>it really drives me nuts when people try to create a moral equivalence between the two religions, because there really isn't one

>>37624622
you are not wrong

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>>37624570
more like a natural thing, once you learn how decrepit vermin they are.

>>37624947
Actually, the Nazis were enamoured of what they considered northern Paganism and were very interested in reviving it. They saw Christianity as being inherently infected by Judaism. This doesn't mean however, that Paganism was responsible for the holocaust; just that it certainly wasn't driven by anything particularly Christian. Anything but. If you have a conversation like that again, just question his statements directly. That usually stops them in their tracks.

>>37625120
This, too. Christians squabble endlessly between each other but what is seemingly Christianity's 'weakness' is in fact it's great strength in that there is a marked degree of vagueness, questions on authorship, controversy, etc. that has allowed Christianity to flourish with variety and vigour. Christians will argue bitterly but that variety keeps an even balance and it's centuries since we last saw any significant sectarianism (interestingly when Christianity was not as diverse as it is now and protestanism was in its nascency).

Islam is almost diametrically opposed in this regard. Very rigid, little diversity, and crucially, Islam has no central figure or authority of high repute or trustworthiness to be able to clarify or guide. You've also got the issue that muslims constantly look backwards to their 'golden age', never forward. Everything that was ever worth anything has already happened and that's what they're subconsciously brainwashed into believing which is probably why they don't see beheadings or raping children as that something barbaric and backward so much as relieving a 'golden age' gone by.

It really is a monstrous fuck-up and honestly in no way comparable with the others. It strictly is more a nationalist ideology than it is a religion because there is such a strict adherence on how to live and so conditionally that honestly and truly the best way to deal with it would be to forcibly decompress it starting with applying hate speech laws, etc. with the Qu'ran.

>>37624583
>I will selectively choose verses to suit my agenda
>That'll show them!

Really, I'm not impressed. It's about as bad as meme pictures, to be honest.

>>37625574
Not him but why does them being random mean anything? Are you saying those verses don't mean what they're saying?

>>37624622
No you retard. People are too brain damaged to understand that the Quran was specifically revealed the the Prophet (saw) over the span of 23 years, at specific intervals to help spread the message based on the situation at hand. This doesn't mean that any part of it is outdated today. It just gives guidance for every possible situation.

If you seriously think that's these few verses from a 600 page book is representative of Islam, you're essentially acting like a lobomite.

>>37625745
> these verses in the koran can be ignored!

This is how stupid you come across as.

>>37625813
this

>>37625813
> these verses in the koran can be ignored!
Now here's a prime example of a degenerate mongoloid, putting words into the opponents mouth in a pathetic attempt prove himself correct.

Please show me where in my post I said 'these verses in the koran can be ignored!'.

>>37625257
i go back to, and slightly embellish on, a point i made earlier:
who would YOU rather have as a neighbor, a devout Jew or a devout Muslim?

>>37625869
It's obviously implied, you fucking idiot.mYou do know you don't have to say something explicitly for it to be largely understood from what you've said, right?

Also, typical fucking muslim. So quick to defensiveness and insult. The onus is upon you to explain and justify yourself and your hideous ideology, you digusting cunt.

Are you saying thise verses are irrelevant and not incumbent upon muslims? Stop avoiding the fucking question.

Man, I hope you die. Sincerely. Please fuck off to your caliphate and jihad yourself. Do us all a favour.

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>>37625930
neither.

back to the sandbox with both of you.

>>37626000
unless you're gonna march next door with a shotgun and demand they move, it's a very realistic hypothetical challenge.

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Today I will remind them

>>37626070
just because he's a dick doesn't mean he doesn't have a legitimate point

>>37626102

yes good goy

>>37625745
>>37625869
>I'm not saying verses in the Qur'an should be ignored.

Good, because, according to Islam, the Qur'an is the eternal, uncorrupted word of Allah. In it Allah commands Muhammad and all Muslims to wage offensive Jihad until they either 1. convert 2. pay a tax or 3. die.

"Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled." -Qur'an 9:29

>>37625962
>It's obviously implied
Please show me how it's implied? I can't see it. I think you're just imagining things.

>So quick to defensiveness and insult.
Kettle calling the pot black. It's not an insult if a person chooses to neglect critical thought when he's capable of it. You disregard the entire picture because the few perceived blemishes are enough for you to tabulate the opinion that you wanted to hold from the very beginning. You're the definition of an ignorant prick who is so ready to look down on others.

>Are you saying thise verses are irrelevant and not incumbent upon muslims?
More and more you pile your own rhetoric on. It's the only mode of argument people like you are capable of, to ask loaded questions that have nothing to with the original statements. These verses are not irrelevant. They hold an important purpose, just like every section of the Quran. They aren't falsely interpreted - they mean what they mean. But their application is whole dependent on the situation. Disbelievers were constantly attacking, betraying and sabotaging the Prophet and his followers. You think they were just going to sit idly by and accept death?

How bout you actually go through the source material and show me all the neutral and positive statements contained in the Quran? Sarcastic question, just so you know, since of course you'd never do that because it'd conflict with your already embraced reality (like a redneck KKK member or mongoloid NatSoc).

>>37617566
95 are as muslim than Redneck are christians.

>>37626144
>"Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled." -Qur'an 9:29

We already did this though. Just look at all the Islamic Empires to have existed. It's funny how for 1250 years, people from across the globe (especially intellectuals) wanted to live in Baghdad, under self-imposed jizya, just to be able to seek knowledge and intellect.

Really, you've got nothing Islam.

>>37623773
>>37624167
Stop. Just stop. This is some grade A cringe you're writing up.

>>37625633
Common Muslim taqiyya tactic. They spew claims with no evidence such as "Islam is a religion of peace" then when you provide evidence to the contrary using their own sources, they scream "Context!!!" without refuting anything.

>>37626215
>We already did this

I'm well aware you're murdering innocent people in the name of Muhammad the illiterate pedophile.

Some further medical breakthroughs in brief from the last prophet

Sahih Bukhari 71:663 Eating dates will protect you from poison and magic all day long.

SB 71:641 The earthof our land and the saliva of some of us cure our patient

SB 71:637 Treat poisonous stings with Ruqya{reciting from Qur'an}

SB 71:619 Fever is from the heat of Hell, so put it out with water.

Sahih Muslim 23:5113 A non-Muslim eats in seven intestines whereas a Muslim eats in one intestine

SB 71:599 The best medicines you may treat yourselves with are cupping and sea incense

SB 71:596 Treat with the Indian incense, for it has healing for seven diseases

SB 71:591 Black cumin is healing for all diseases except death

SM 16:4131 Eight men came and swore allegiance to Islam, but became sick. Muhammad said: Why don't you go to our camels and drink their milk and urine.

>>37624739
Wow, you're a fucking retard. Guy was actually on your side and you start spewing some bullshit. Goes to show a large following of these Islam haters are quite stupid.

>>37626265
>the Sahih Bukhari is to be taken seriously

Uh oh, cumskin is starting to slip on his own muck. I take it you don't know that when it comes to the hadith, Muslims can be as selective as they like and that none of it is compulsory belief?

Stick to the Quran. At least that way your delusions have some kind of validity.

There are so many secrets of the universe that an all knowing, omniscient being could reveal to mankind should he decide to use an intermediary to make contact with us.

Here are a few choice selections from that era of divine Islamic enlightenment:

Sahih Bukhari 65:366 The Prophet said, 'When you eat, do not wipe your hands till you have licked it, or had it licked by somebody else."

SB 69:538 Apostle said, "He who drinks in silver utensils is only filling his abdomen with Hell Fire."

SB 7368:1 The Prophet forbade laughing at a person who passes wind.

SB 72:826 Allah has cursed those women who have tattooing and those who remove hair from their faces to look beautiful.

SB 60:409 Allah's Apostle has cursed the lady who uses false hair.

SB 72:746 Allah's Apostle said, "None of you should walk, wearing one shoe only; he should either put on both shoes or put on no shoes whatsoever."

These pearls of celestial wisdom revealed in the seventh century from the apostle of Allah sadly brought no benefits to mankind. For humanity there were no leaps and bounds in our science, technology or arts that were derived directly from its scriptures. There was no concept of global unity or eradication of injustice. There was however a fervent divine urge to spread this ideology to all mankind by whatever means possible regardless of the consequences.

>>37626265
>Sahih Bukhari

>>37626215
>We already did this

and will until the day of the resurrecrion

>>37626148
No, you're a fucking retard. If the verses mean nothing as you claim then what you're suggesting is that the quran isn't incumbent upon muslims as the very word of their god. Which is, of course, laughable. And it still doesn't mean those verses aren't being used right now by the very cunts being discussed. Try your feeble diversionary tactics elsewhere, you idiot.

And blah blah. Your obviously desperate attempts to express yourself as someone capable of high falutin expression is very telling. Feeling fucking rustled?

Your attempts to paint me as some cartoon villain are just as enlightening as they are amusing. I happen to hold a degree in religious studies so yeah, when it comes to Islam I really do know what I'm talking about. Nice try, though.

What else you got, you borderline fascist fuck?

>>37626220
All true, however. Your fucking islamic bullshit will do nothing in the face of the giant rapig you are about to get from secularism. Your children are growing up to be a menace - time to deal with them. If you think this can't be done and easily, you're a total fucking retard.

>>37626333
>If the verses mean nothing as you claim
Holy shit you really are making shit up. Did you even read the fucking post? Where did I say they mean nothing? How fucked in the head are you dude?

Seriously, I want you to point out where I said the verses meant nothing, or how I even remotely implied such a thing.

>>37626324
>Throwing out the hadith

Without the hadith, tell me where it says pray 5 times a day, or that women should cover themselves, or the 5 pillars of Islam.

protip: You can't. I'm glad you acknowledge Muhammad's teachings in the hadith are bullshit, because they're central to Islam.
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FYI everyone, Muslims are permitted to lie about Islamic doctrine in order to deceive you and get the upperhand

Qur'an 3:54 And they cheated/deceived and Allah cheated/deceived, and Allah (is) the best (of) the cheaters/deceivers.

^Allah is a liar/deceiver. This is the kind of god Muslims worship?

Qur'an 16:106 Any one who, after accepting faith in Allah, utters Unbelief,- EXCEPT UNDER COMPULSION, his heart remaining firm in Faith - but such as open their breast to Unbelief, on them is Wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a dreadful Penalty..

Qur'an 3:28 Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: EXCEPT by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah.

^If it's convenient to lie to non-Muslims (e.g. if Muslims are the minority, or to win converts) You are allowed to lie.

>>37626290
guy tagged me while also tagging the two people he was attacking, so i thought he mistook me as being an apologist.
i was mistaken, as seen >>37625139
my mental capacity, or entire lack thereof, doesn't somehow impact how dangerous Islam is or isn't.

>>37626324
>I take it you don't know that when it comes to the hadith,
the Koran means NOTHING without the hadith. it explains very little, and while reading it you're left to guess as to what is happening, or why.
that's WHY the caliphs put extraordinary effort into gathering the Hadith, because the entire religion falls apart into meaninglessness without it

>>37626378
>the giant rapig you are about to get

yawn

>>37626414
>protip: You can't. I'm glad you acknowledge Muhammad's teachings in the hadith are bullshit, because they're central to Islam.
thank you good sir!

>>37626330
We may like to think we can be friends with Islam, but you must understand they are taught over and over NOT to be friends with us. They are permitted to feign friendship and later attack - as horrible as that sounds. They are paranoid, superior and supremist.

Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends." (Surah 5:51)
If you do not fight, He will punish you sternly, and replace you by other men." (Surah 9:37-)

"Prophet make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home." (Surah 9:73)

"Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them." (Surah 9:121-)

Believers, do not make friends with any but your own people...They desire nothing but your ruin....You believe in the entire Book...When they meet you they say: 'We, too, are believers.' But when alone, they bite their finger-tips with rage." (Surah 3:118, 119)

"Fight those who believe not in Allah" (Surah 9:39)

There are tons and tons of other parts commanding not to let non muslims exist or be equals... They are TAUGHT to lie about this - to wait - and plot. Islam is a political machine. They have a plan to systematicly take over. This is not a secret they boast on tv of these plans
Its all right there do some google searches.

Sure there are "cool" muslims but that wont save your ass if they get what they want - world sharia law. Educate yourself. These fair weather friends never speak out; they never counter protest when so called radicals (really just proper muslims) are screaming for blood.

Islam is not a race. Islam is a political totalitarian theocratic ideology that isn't compatible with Western ideals. Plain and simple.

>>37626324
Yeah, becsuse the Qu'ran is definitely not full of shit like Jews and Christians are a disappointment to God amirite?

No hate speech in that 'noble' tome at all. Nothing for him in there at all.

When are you fucking off to jihad to rape some kids and behead a couple of people by the way? Please say soon.

>>37626414
>that women should cover themselves

that actually is in the quran

>>37626390
No, retard. That little trick of denying you've said something so everyone has to go trawl through the thread won't work on me.

Nice attempt at a deflection, though. I'll accept that as a concede on all my points. Thanks.

>>37626390
>I agree with every verse in the Qur'an

Qur'an 9:5And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush.
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ISLAM AND THE SETTING OF THE SUN

According to the Qur'an (18:86), a man named Dhul-Qarnain reached the place where the sun sets. When he got there, he found the sun going down into a muddy pool. Muslim apologists commonly reinterpret the passage, but only because they're ignoring Muhammad's commentary.

Since Muslims in the West claim that science confirms the Qur'an, we should work diligently to explain to them what the Qur'an says, and how Muhammad obviously interpreted it. The following two quotations, when used together, are devastating and unanswerable:

Qur’an 18:83-86—And they ask you about Dhul-Qarnain. Say: “I shall recite to you something of his story.” Verily, We established him in the earth, and We gave him the means of everything. So he followed a way. Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water. And he found near it a people.

Sunan Abu Dawud 3991—Abu Dharr said: I was sitting behind the Apostle of Allah who was riding a donkey while the sun was setting. He asked: Do you know where this sets? I replied: Allah and his Apostle know best. He said: It sets in a spring of warm water.

Great video analyzing the passages: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhHDgKnE9r0

>>37626437
Such bravado!

I know you're fucking worried, though, and your fear is delicious. You and all the other filth like you are part of a fascist ideology and the greatest thing your precious isis ever did was wake the world up to the fact you are. The rest is coming, wait and see.

Enjoy it while it lasts. Your grandchildren will never practise islam as you know it.

>>37626468
>that actually is in the Qur'an
[citation needed]
And what about the 5 prayers? and the 5 pillars of Islam? Where are those found in the Qur'an?

Daily reminder that every 1st century source from Greeks, Romans, Hebrews, and Pagans is in agreement that Jesus was crucified but only the Quran 600 years later says he wasn't.

Islam is objectively false. In it's historical teachings and it's view on the morality of God.

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I have debated with many Muslims. Their defense of Islam can be summarized in three categories:

1- Denial of the authenticity of Islamic sources that report the stories of crimes of Muhammad (example: debate with Edip Yukssel, a leader of the Submitters)

2 - Moral relativism and situational ethics, e.g., “In those days, pedophilia, assassination, rape, raid, pillage, massacre and lying, were common practices, so Muhammad is innocent because he did what everyone else was doing.” Muslims even go as far as to question the legitimacy of the Golden Rule to claim I do not have any basis to condemn Muhammad. In other words, who can say what is good and what is evil? That is up to the messenger of God to decide. (Example: debate with Yamin Zakaria)

3 - Calling everyone who disagrees with them jews.

Muslims really have no debate skills beyond these three. When the first two fail or they cannot come up with anything else to say, they immediately resort to the MUH JEWS argument.

>>37626414
>>37626419
>Throwing out the hadith
I love these conclusion you retards draw. It goes to show how much you have to stretch to keep the conversation going.
Nowhere did I say we throw out the hadith. Read the post once more you illiterate fucks. We can be wholly selective about what we believe. The Prophets (saw) statements about how to be the best Muslims hold much, much more weight than idea of remedies and other such thoughts from over 1.5 thousand years ago.

>Muslims are permitted to lie about Islamic doctrine in order to deceive you and get the upperhand
I was wondering when the actual lies would begin
Quran 3:54 http://quran.com/3/54

Quran 16:106 http://quran.com/16/106
What does this have to do with lying and deceit?

Quran 3:28 http://quran.com/3/28
This was in a time where Christians and (especially Jews) were trying to undermine, corrupt and wipe out Islam. It is still relevant to people who fall under that category.

I can drink you guys under the table indefinitely with this. You're arguing against someone that has more knowledge about the subject matter than you. How stupid can you seriously be?

>>37626414
I love how they can only resort to ad hom attacks and how desperate they are to avoid the filth written in this thing.

Just goes to show just how separate from us they really are.

>>37626586
Tell me about the opening passage in the quran that mentions Jews and Christians. Give me a quote, seeing as you're so informed.

>>37626584
It actually seems pretty obvious to me that you know more than him certainly.

>>37622115
>"disbelievers" refers to polytheists

Disbeliever refers to anyone who doesn't believe "There is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his messenger", this is called the Shahada, It's how you convert to Islam.

Funny enough, the pagans used to proclaim the first part "There is no god but Allah", and when Muhammad came around, he added "And Muhammad is his messenger" onto it.

Hundreds of years before Islam existed, the pagans would make the pilgrimage to Mecca, circle the Ka'aba 7 times, bow to it. etc. This is just a few of many ways Islam was influenced by paganism.

>>37626538
>your fear is delicious

you eat fear?

>>37626586
> It is still relevant to people who fall under that category.

So, in other words, any muslim can decide to kill Christians or Jews if they're seen to 'undermine' islam, right?

>>37626586
>We can be wholly selective about what we believe

No, you can't. You have to accept the entire Qur'an, and luckily for you Allah has fully explained it, so there's no wiggle room

Qur'an 6:114 Shall I seek for a judge other than Allah, when He it is Who has sent down to you the Book fully explained?

Qur'an 11:1 This is a Book, whose verses have been made firm and free from imperfection and then they have been expounded in detail.

Qur'an 12:1 These are verses of the clear Book.

Qur'an 16:89 And We have sent down to thee the Book explaining all things
(^ talking about the Trinity, i.e. We)

Qu'ran 27:1-These are the verses of the Qur'an - A book that makes (things) clear.

Qur'an 41:3- A book, whereof the verses are explained in detail

Qu'ran 57:9 He it is who sends down clear communications upon His servant, that he may bring you forth from utter darkness into light.

So when Allah says "kill the polytheists" and "fight those who do not believe in Allah", he means exactly what he says.

>>37626656
Yup. And muhamed's family was responsible for its upkeep. The god 'Allah' was the primary god in their pagan pantheon, too. Muhamed was inspired by Judaism and Christianity (the true semitic monotheisms) and so just conveniently dumped the redt and elevated 'allah' whilst making up a whole load of other shit to fit it all together because he was so desperate to match up to the true forms

All paganism. That they think they come even close is just hilarious.

>>37626656
how are you so educated on the subject?

>>37626623
What are you even talking about? No such thing exists. See for yourself http://quran.com/1

>>37626656
>Funny enough, the pagans used to proclaim the first part "There is no god but Allah"
Misinformation, disinformation and lies have been thrown at and about Islam since its inception. Not only is it still around, it also spawned some of the largest Empires in human history. I refuse to indulge you any further and continue to go in circles. You've made it clear you aren't open for discussion - you're here just to copy paste your unchecked and unverified rhetoric.

>>37626689
Lovely how you only seemed to have selected the word 'undermine'. Is it because out of the three words, that's the most neutral and arguable one?

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>>37626043
my trips confirm the future.

DEUS VULT!

>>37626778
some people actually research things

>>37626783
I love how all my posts contain Muslim references and sources, and in response you claim everything I post is false without offering any rebuttal. This is a common demonstration of taqiyya.

I don't give a shit about Muslims or Isis as long as they stay in their shithole and leave Christian nations alone.
I don't want Muslims in my country as their barbarian religion doesn't comply with Christian western values. This is what is scaring me: we let barbarians come in our countries. It sure won't end well for us.

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Daily reminder that Muhammad is a false prophet by his own claims
Sura 69:44 - 47
And if Muhammad had made up about Us some [false] sayings, we would have seized him by the right hand; Then We would have cut from him the aorta[/b]. And there is no one of you who could prevent [Us] from him.
From Tabari Volume 8, page 124: The messenger of God said during the illness from which he died - the mother of Bishr had come in to visit him - "Umm Bishr, at this very moment I feel my aorta being severed because of the food I ate with your son at Khaybar."
Bukhari's Hadith 5.713:
Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, "O 'Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison."
From Ibn Sa'd pages 251, 252: During his illness he used to say, "I did not cease to find the effect of the (poisoned) morsel, I took at Khaibar and I suffered several times (from its effect) but now I feel the hour has come of the cutting of my jugular vein.".

>>37626555
Jesus was revered to as 'God' over 300 years after his death by Christians.
>First Council of Nicaea
Besides he never said he was the son of God anyway. You also might know that Christians adopted pagan festivals to appease the pagans.
There are many Pagan origin things in Christianity.
http://www.seiyaku.com/customs/pagan-symbols.html

>>37618123
Protip: Sunni Islam doesn't have Taqiyya, only Shia Islam. Of course, Sunni is the force behind all the big bad terrorist groups, so we got schemers to the left and butchers to the right.

>>37626783
>http://quran.com/1
Man, that's so cute.

Which is the most widely distributed form of the Qu'ran in the world? Do you know?

I know you do, you slithery little fuck.

Now give me the opening passage in THAT version....

>>37626942
here i am
stuck in the middle with you

>>37617566
>islam
>hates idolaters and idolatry
>worship a box in a desert

I'm glad Al-Ghazali came and condemn the muslim philosophers and with it drove islam into a superstitious morons whom despise science and progress.

I'm also glad that Mongols came and destroyed Baghdad and the fact that you muslims keep fighting each other over which "madhab" is the true Islam

Verily that Allah have given his condemnation to the ummah

>>37626910
First off, your entire post is tu quoque, "Hey Christianity adopted pagan practices (your claim) so it's OK that Islam does too!"

That being said, you're incorrect as far as the divinity of Jesus goes. Jesus refers to himself as "I Am". He allows Thomas to refer to him as "My Lord and my God", the early Christians all believed in Jesus' Just s few examples

>>37626910
Don't discuss Jesus like you have authority to, you pagan filth.

>>37626794

IMPERIUM ROMANUM SACRUM

GLORY TO THE MARTYRS, GLORY TO GOD

>>37626875
>Sura 69:44 - 47
>This somehow proves the Prophet (saw) is a false prophet

Your selective reasoning feeds off of false association. I adore how others think you've researched this. You're just another anon copy pasting things on a whim and taking the self-appointed intellectual high ground. You haven't proven anything. The disbelievers still dont believe, and the believers still believe. The fact that you're still here trying so hard is proof enough.

>>37626977
>Allah have given his condemnation to the ummah

LEL

>>37626965
what are you talking about

>>37626942
The term "taqiyya" is of Shia origin, howefer it's based on Qur'anic/Muslim sources I referenced here >>37626414

And as we know, the Qur'an applies every bit to Sunni Muslims as it does Shia's.

>>37626977

It's also funny how it supposedly condemns Schism, but immediately fell into chaos and infighting following the death of Muhammad.

Tisk tisk

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>>37626988
dubs confirm it...

>>37627025
I was gonna ask the same question but since I'm bored I don't really care anymore.

>>37627036
And you were proven wrong here >>37626586

>>37627042

DEATH TO THE INFIDELS, ALL SHALL BEND BEFORE THE MIGHT OF GOD, OR WITHER UNDER HIS TERRIFYING LIGHT

MUHAMMAD WAS A CROSS DRESSER: Sahih Bukhari 2442 The revelation does not come to me when I am in the GARMENT of any woman except 'A'isha.
(Google "Muhammmad crossdresser" for further info)

Final words of Jesus "Forgive them father, they know not what they are doing"
Final words of Muhammad "May Allah curse the Christians and Jews for they have taken the graves of their Messengers as places of worship."

also,
>Name a man free of sin

Jesus, according to Christianity.

For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are--yet HE DID NOT SIN . -Hebrews 4:15

Yet, according to Islam, Muhammad is a filthy, rotten sinner like the rest of us.

So know (O Muhammad) that there is no Allah save Allah, and ASK FORGIVENESS FOR THY SIN, and for believing men and believing women. Allah knoweth (both) your place of turmoil and your place of rest. Sura Muhammad 47:19

>>37627040
Every time a caliph dies, his followers would fight whom should guide the ummah.

It went on until the Caliphate is no more

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Jesus>>>>>Muhammad

this is an undeniable fact

>>37627081
Can you please source your cop/paste source?

I want it all in a neat little package and make my own form so it's easier to reply to in the future. Thanks m8.

>>37627025
Are you telling me that you, the self proclaimed 'expert' on the quran doesn't know that there is a version of it that's the most widely read and distributed?

Really?

See, this proves how snake-like you people really are and just how dangerous too. You're actually going to sit there and pretend that you have no idea what I'm referring to.

Fascinatingly insightful.

>>37617566

>so what are the politicians gonna say now to deport all of us from the country?
>takbir!

They choose to live in infidel countries where the laws contradict their quran and will never be like it >_<

>>37627106
i am asking you what are you talking about

>>37627106
>that there is a version of it that's the most widely read and distributed?
Wow.

Just. Wow.

>>37627066
>proven wrong

Please refute and demonstrate why these passages are false


Qur'an 3:54 And they cheated/deceived and Allah cheated/deceived, and Allah (is) the best (of) the cheaters/deceivers.

Qur'an 16:106 Any one who, after accepting faith in Allah, utters Unbelief,- EXCEPT UNDER COMPULSION, his heart remaining firm in Faith - but such as open their breast to Unbelief, on them is Wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a dreadful Penalty..

Qur'an 3:28 Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: EXCEPT by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah.

Qur'an 5:51 O ye who believe, do not take the Jews and Christians as friends, they are friends of each other

>>37626985
>First off, your entire post is tu quoque, "Hey Christianity adopted pagan practices (your claim) so it's OK that Islam does too!"

I didn't even mention Islam or even imply anything to do with it. Also it is not a claim that Christianity adopted pagan practices. If you researched your own religion as much as you did Islam then you would know.

>That being said, you're incorrect as far as the divinity of Jesus goes. Jesus refers to himself as "I Am". He allows Thomas to refer to him as "My Lord and my God", the early Christians all believed in Jesus' Just s few examples

He never said "I am God" directly. At least Islam doesn't worship a human being as a God.

I don't care about muslims as long as they submit to Western ideals and assimilate and water-down their religion to conform to our way of life.

No problem at all

>>37627081
>MUHAMMAD WAS A CROSS DRESSER

AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.

Please man, I know you hate Islam, and possibly most other religions in your world besides your own but PLEASE see a doctor, or take your medication, because this is just too funny. Seriously how deluded do you have to be?

>>37627137
>Qur'an 3:54 And they cheated/deceived and Allah cheated/deceived, and Allah (is) the best (of) the cheaters/deceivers.
Blatant lie of the proper translation http://quran.com/3/54
'And the disbelievers planned, but Allah planned. And Allah is the best of planners.'

>Qur'an 16:106 Any one who, after accepting faith in Allah, utters Unbelief,- EXCEPT UNDER COMPULSION, his heart remaining firm in Faith - but such as open their breast to Unbelief, on them is Wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a dreadful Penalty..
I fail to recognize what this has to do with anything.

>Qur'an 3:28 Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: EXCEPT by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah.
>Qur'an 5:51 O ye who believe, do not take the Jews and Christians as friends, they are friends of each other
This was in a time where Christians and (especially Jews) were trying to undermine, corrupt and wipe out Islam. It is still relevant to people who fall under that category.


I'm getting bored proving you wrong, so don't be surprised if I just drop out. You just regurgitate the same shit over and over. Circular discussion are only fun for so long.

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>>37627105
It's all from memory/local files, I recommend ctrl+f "Pisslam" and copying the posts you want to save.

The next two posts are pretty damning on the blatant innacuracies in the Qur'an.

1. Muslims have always claimed that the Qur'an is the infallible word of God given to Muhammad, and to have such an embarassing mistake in it is pretty significant.
2. It clearly eludes to the idea that Jesus associated himself and Mary to God in a sort of deification, which very clearly and obviously eludes to the trinity, which Muhammad (and all muslims for that matter) find serious issue with. It is also quite clear that Muhammad got the entire theological concept totally and completely wrong. For the final messenger of God to get something like this totally wrong is telling of who the was, specifically a man living in the Arabian desert with half-digested Christian teachings in his head that he heard from secondary sources (of which it even says he knew Christians in his immediate vicinity in the Qur'an), who made up his own religion similar to how Joseph Smith invented the Mormon religion.
continued

>>37627219
There should be a copy paste answer for every copy paste these idiots have

>>37627230
alludes, not eludes

>>37627202
Notice how he doesn't refute the passage.

>>37627219
Blatant mistranslation. Educate yourself http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur'an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Lying_and_Deception
>>37627139
>Christians worship a man [1]. At least Islam doesn't [2].

1. Strawman
2. Tu quoque

>>37627125
>>37627131
Ha ha. Look at this. Fucking muslims. This is taquiya or whatever the fuck it is in action, right? Man, I always thought that was a myth.

Here, let me help you. The so called 'experts' in your fucking texts.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noble_Quran_(Hilali-Khan)

> 1. Surah Al-Fatihah

> In the Name of Allah, The Most Gracious, Most Merciful

> In the Name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.

> All the praises and thanks be to Allah, the Lord of the 'Alamin (mankind, jinns and all that exists).

> The Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.

> The Only Owner (and the Only Ruling Judge) of the Day of Recompense (i.e. the Day of Resurrection)

> You (Alone) we worship, and You (Alone) we ask for help (for each and everything).

> Guide us to the Straight Way

> The Way of those on whom You have bestowed Your Grace, not (the way) of those who earned Your Anger (such as the Jews), nor of those who went astray (such as the Christians).

This is the opening to your 'holy' text that clearly outlines the disregard and contempt you're to feel about Jews and Christians. Commanded by God. Indisputable.

No wonder your kids turn into such murderous thugs so easily. The very definition of a supremaicst ideology.

Nice try on pretending this doesn't exist, you stupid cunts.

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>>37627230
(cont)
And if you want me to point out another error in the Qur'an, we can turn to Surrah 86:5-7, using the Sahih International English translation.
[5]So let man observe from what he was created.
[6]He was created from a fluid, ejected,
[7]Emerging from between the backbone and the ribs.
This quote clearly states that semen comes from a place between the backbone and the ribs, when it very clearly comes from the testicles. How anybody took Muhammad seriously with such glaring errors is beyond me.

>>37627269
>muh logical fallacies

you're gay

>>37627202
Damn, dat ad hominem. Get a grip, man. Argue the point or concede. Mainly though, grow up.

>>37627286
>the disregard and contempt you're to feel about Jews and Christians

is there anything wrong with that?

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>>37627081
>>37627081
>>37627081

>>37627219
>This verse was revealed in a time where ________

Therefore it doesn't apply today? Islam's teachings are eternal and they apply for everyone throughout humanity.
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Polluted water was not a problem for Muhammad. In Sahih Muslim1:66-67 -The people asked the Messenger of Allah: Can we cleanse out of the well of Buda'ah, which is a well into which menstrual clothes, dead dogsand stinking things were thrown? He replied: Water is pure and is not defiled by anything.The people of the time, though not aware of bacteria or germ theory, had an inkling of the dangers of unclean water. However Muhammad with his divine wisdom informed them that water can never be polluted because it is pure. One wonders how many innocent lives were lost because of such advice.

Muhammad teaches us about everything, even about excrement. Sahih Muslim2:504 informs us thatHe has forbidden us to face the Kaabaat the time of excretion or urination, or cleansing with less than three pebbles, or with dung or bone.Never face the Kaaba while using the toilet. A compass may be required the next time nature calls. Cleaning up after requires the use of three stones; nothing less will do and it must be an odd number though. Using bones or dried dung is not allowed and no mention is made of toilet paper or good old soap and water.

>>37627269
kek
Why didn't you give me something where he said "I am God"?

protip: you can't

gg no rematch

>>37627307
Your moms the biggest whore and she takes it in the ass daily.

Argue the point or concede. Mainly though, grow up.

>>37626783
I find it fascinating that you're attempting to divert from the question, though.

I'll ask it again:

Are you saying that any muslim is free to kill Jews or Christians if they feel islam is being undermined, or threatened, or whatever it was?

Are they?

Just answer it. It's a pretty easy yes or no question. Why avoid it?

>>37627392
yes

>>37627230
>which very clearly and obviously eludes to the trinity
HOLY SHIT
You're a fucking Christfag? Dude all this time I figured you were a fucking fedoratard.

This is hilarious. The man spending the most amount of time criticizing my religion is the same guy who believes in fiction.

The holy trinity doesnt appear anywhere in bible. It was an idea created by a man that was adopted by retards who couldn't make sense of Jesus' true message. Jesus also calls himself the son of man quite clearly and evidently.

Also, why would the correct religion need reformation? Why would the correct religion be so scared of science and intellect? Why is it that Christian priests who critically study their religion either feel discontent with their faith or convert (like Yusuf Estes and this man https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfYrD_VJ9aY).

>>37627409
What do you expect?
Bible has been written and rewritten over 1500's by countless people.

>>37627409
>a man that was adopted by retards who couldn't make sense of Jesus' true message

you mean ole paul?

>>37627435
1500 years*

by 2030

In America the population of Muslims will out number the population of Jews.

That is a hilarious fucking statistic.

I have no problems if muslims want to behave like backward savages, but please do it in your own countries and not in europe, america or australia, leave us alone and go back to your own countries.

>>37627454
Not in Europe, America and Australia?
Is it because the religion of those is Christianity?

>>37627320
Man, you're so rekt it's hilarious.

Think what you like but it proves you people really are part of a dangerous ideology and are from the moment you're exposed to it. I'm glad to see you don't deny it.

The truth is, objectively, every single one of you is brainwashed enough that you're dangerous and you need dealing with and that's a fact. That time is coming. I sincerely hope isis continues and gets ever stronger and more confident because with every stride they make, it will be yet another coffin in the nail of islam in the west.

Get ready.

>>37627401
Do you know of any instances where that would be true of Christianity or Judaism b py comparison?

I'm asking out of interest, not to try and stitch you up. I appreciate your candour.

>>37627489
answer the question

>>37627512
i'm not sure, i am not that well versed in fake religions

Feminists = destroying Christianity and white men
Islam = destroying Christianity and white men

The reason feminists accept Islam and don't speak about the brutal rape and oppression and murder of women, is because they are all anti-Christs.

The bible is true. You better start believing.

>>37627471
Partly, i am not a Christian, but traditional western culture is heavily influenced by Christianity.

Islam is not compatible with western culture. It never has been or will be.

So please, just stick to your own lands and leave us be, we already have enough problems with cultural marxists and other trash destroying society.

>>37627333

>Honoured and faithfully applied by muslims throughout the centuries in all lands they ruled

Do you actually believe this bullshit?

>>37627555
what about jews?

>>37627514
I would if you had one worth responding to.

>>37627538
Alright, you can play it that way.

So, what stops you deciding that Christians and Jews should be killed then?

>>37627572
>traditional

traditions change all the time. or do you think they always existed?

>>37627409
> Christfag

Isn't Jesus supposed to be respected according to your word of god?

>>37627614
Why so semantics, guy?

Feeling really mad?

>>37627642
just answer the question

>>37617566
>thought this deserved a little attention
Very little.

>there are 1.6 billion of these
Just now figuring that out? Did you think Islam was confined to just a few desert tribes?

>>37627581
I concede there have been varying degrees of persecution.


Anyway, you completely missed the point. You read the message of Muhammad to the Christians, and was it a violent one?

>>37627681
I'm not that guy.

You're pretty mad, though. I like it. Tell me: when do you plan jihad? Soon or soon-ish?

>>37627713
you're not that guy, but you can still answer the simple question

>>37627703
Not him but what do you mean by 'persecution' of varying degrees?

Also, is that authenticated as being by Mohammed (pbuh)? What are your personal views on it?

>>37627555
>waaaaaaaah my white men.
Is racism something condoned in the bible you fucktard? Because the way you write that, it seems like it is. You're implying only white men and women can be Christians. Fuck off.

>bible is true
>u R Rong, I am right
>lalalala

>>37627583
>jews
They are too busy following the old testament, which is impossible to keep. They deny salvation, ergo they are anti-Christs.

Jews = promoting feminism
Jews = making it illegal to criticize the religion of the beast

Christians, be patient, and don't lose faith. Your persecution should reinforce your faith. Remember 5 things.

1) The Lord is the only God.
2) The Lord has never broken a covenant and never will. He is faithful beyond all our understanding.
3) The Lord has never forsaken His children and never will.
4) The Lord is victorious, and has already told us what will happen.
5) The Lord will be exalted everywhere.

You will be persecuted for righteousness' sake, and for your testimony of the Lord. If you weren't being persecuted, you'd be doing something wrong.

Just wait until these kikes change your country's official religion to islam.

>>37627736
It's a pretty puerile question though and not worth bothering with.

The infinitely more interesting one is when you're planning your jihad. When? Also, for which reason? Pick one of the following:

a) Love for God
b) Dismay and anger at millions of Muslim deaths no one seems to care about
c) A feeling of discontent at being made to feel like an outsider in your own country because you're Muslim

Which?

>>37627784
>white christian people are the reason i'm not a winner

>>37627806
>Doesn't answer the question but expects an answer to his own question.

I'll indulge you regardless. It's d) To gain the mercy of Allah

>>37627784
I'm pretty sure he didn't mention white women at all.

>>37627555
Christianity = white man

I laughed

>>37627841
Well, I appreciate it, thank you.

To answer your question - yes, of course, traditions change; they are not fixed absolutes. Nor are religions either actually.

Why would you need the mercy of Allah out of interest? Do you not receive it inherently?

>>37627744
I do agree that in Islam, that some religions are persecuted, but these are religions which are/would be/was persecuted by Christianity and Judaism in the past. All three religions have persecuted each other at some point. What needs to be changed is attitudes to each other in this day and age.

My views on this are:

I believe the message to be the word of Muhammad. It's to be noted that it was written by his scribe though.

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>>37627878
Don't be stupid.

Take a look at who is being persecuted.

>men (kikes,feminism)
>white people (kikes,SJW)
>christians (kikes,anti-christs)
>heterosexuals (kikes, degenerates)

I'm a straight, white, Christian man. And I'm the reason you're not a winner.

Adam was a straight, white man made in the image of the Lord.

That's why kikes (satanists) are waging war against whites, straights and men.

>tfw public enemy #1

Stay mad. The bible is true.

There are just two things here to think about; either islam changes, or there will be millions of dead (on each side) in europe in next 50-100 years.

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Islam is the religion of peace.
Only when all the "goyim" unite under Islam can we defeat the Zionists.

>>37627946
kek

>>37627812
>white christian people are the reason i'm not a winner
I'm white but a Muslim. Everyone assumes I'm a Christian until I have to tell them that I'm not.

>>37627855
It is sorta implied. White female with white male.

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Second crusade when?

Reconquer the Occupied Christian Territories

>>37627980
The thing is though, nobody actually believes that your shitty religion of the beast is peaceful. It's just the people who accept lies, and the people that don't.

>>37627992
>I'm white but a Muslim
Make sure your skin doesn't burn in the lake of fire, m8.

>>37627980

Go fuck yourself

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>>37628000
>Second

there were more than one you dummy

>>37627915
That's a fair point. I've found it interesting throughout this battle of wills that the obvious Muslim posters have had a few opportunities to point out contradictions and hypocrisies yet haven't taken them.

What's your personal view on the opening of the Noble Qu'ran then relevant to this tract ascribed to the Prophet (pbuh)? Do you feel it a contradiction or do you think there's some merit to it?

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>>37627988
>tfw being persecuted because of jealousy
Extra feely feels.

>>37627946

I know that you are pretty much a dumb fuck, since you actually believe in ''Adam'', so its kinda pointless for me to even talk to you but.... do you really believe jews are a bigger problem then mudslimes? And don't you think that perhaps since you were brainwashed since your birth that jews killed Jesus and shit like that, that this might have something to do with you thinking that muslims aren't the real evil at this moment in time?

>>37627980

Rule 34.

>>37628024
>the Prophet (pbuh)

you don't need to say that you know

>>37617566
>Jesus Christ, there are 1.6 billion of these fucking psychos out there.

Not really.

They aren't a huge problem in Bangladesh, Indonesia, and somewhat not a problem in India.

That's half the world's Muslims right there.

The problem with Muslim's isn't so much Muslim's, it's more a problem with Arabs.

there's literally no evidence that they're muslims, and not christians pretending to make us look bad

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>>37628055
The false prophet (spit be upon his name).

Jesus Christ is the truth, the life and the way.

>>37628021
you know what i meant. face it

>>37628086
jesus is dead

>>37627703

because it completely contradicts what muslims have been doing for the past 1400 years

>>37628055
Well, yeah some Muslims say that but others say that I should. Do you think it's disrespectful to? My mother taught me to say the 'Asalaam...' greeting but I was severely reprimanded by a Turkish Muslim once for doing so so I've never attempted it again. Which is a shame, really - I find it really pleasant to say and hear.

It's a tricky old minefield, religion. You can never be sure who you'll offend even if you don't mean to.

>>37628060

The peace of the grave

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>cant help slipping in allah ackbar

>>37627893
Traditions might change, but Gods word is eternal. This is the reason Islam today is in the state that it's in. All the great Islamic Empires of the world had one thing in common - they were people of the Quran. It was inseparable from their lives. Their laws, cultures, personal habits etc all formed around it.

And the interesting thing is, do you know when all of those empires began to crumble? Around the middle and most obviously towards the end. Why? Because they were no longer people of the book. In the Ottoman empire, brothers began murdering each other to become Sultans. During the Mongol scourge, the Arabs were hoarding their wealth (after the city was captured, the mongol leader sent the captured leader a plate full of gold pieces after he requested food. He asked why he sent this, since he couldn't eat it. The mongol leader replied ;If you can't eat it, why did you hoard it?).

All of this, to Muslims especially, should have severe implications. But many today remain ignorant of their own faiths, and is the catalyst for mass ignorance. They love talking the talk, but can't walk the walk. You can't tell someone Islam is peaceful and at the same time contradict your own faith by being greedy, malicious or what have you. As much as others are to blame, Muslims themselves certainly are letting themselves down. In this sense, Islam is absolute. It says it in the Quran itself. God tells you how he bestowed his honour upon them, and made them inheritors of the Earth. Isn't it telling then that when the further they got away from him, the more they lost?

As for mercy, no, we do not inherently receive it. Think of it as trust between strangers, or love between people. You have to prove those qualities to the other person, just as you need to prove your submission to God. This is the purpose of life afterall, to see for ourselves that we lived a pious life and come judgement day, can't make any excuses.

Kind of weird seeing polite people on pol.

>>37628127
it might be interpreted as mocking by some

>>37628024
I'm actually surprised there's someone as polite and respectful as you in a place like this. I hope that respect is returned in turn to you as well.

The second bit I do not understand, I'm sorry, I'm from south-eastern Europe, and I sometimes can't understand wording such as this. If you can write it in simpler terms, maybe I can help you, if not there's no problem. Sorry for the inconvenience though and also I'm a slower typer.

>>37628100

Is that why its spread through violence alone?

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>>37628045
>do you really believe jews are a bigger problem then mudslimes?
Kikes are anti-Christs, the synagogue of Satan.
Muslims are anti-Christs, the religion of Satan.

They're on the same team. Except kikes is an umbrella term to describe many people. The actual Judean tribe has been infiltrated, and even Jesus Christ told a canaanite "dog" to leave Him alone.

>why would Jesus Christ call a woman a dog? That's mean!

You better start thinking carefully.

True Judeans are the brothers of Christians. And they will realize their mistake of crucifying Jesus Christ eventually. The race-mixed mongrel ones who call themselves Jews but aren't, well they will come grovelling, like that canaanite woman did. Only when she acknowledged that she was a dog did He have compassion for her.

Judeans and Christians will unite properly as the true believers in the Lord. And Kebab will surely be removed. If you accept the mark of the beast, the Lord is going to be very angry. Read the book of revelation to see how bad it will get.

>>37628203
not alone

>>37628114
>jesus is dead
How can the Word of God die? How can the immortal being who created all things be silenced? Jesus can't die.

>>37628217

Alright, in 90% of the cases?

Shit like this is why /pol/ is just a vent for kids who play with politics

You scream gas the kikes, kill the homos, then get butthurt when people in the real world want to do it.

You're SJW's just edgy and immature ones.

>>37628221
jesus was simply a human prophet of allah and was mortal

>>37628164
Wow this is some beautiful writing. I very much enjoyed it. I wish to become as good of a writer as you are.

Also I completely agree with you.

>>37628252
>jesus was simply a human prophet
Even though He told us otherwise. You are calling Him a liar.

Calling Him a liar but accepting Him.

Your religion is satanic. You are following evil.

It's why you reject Christ as the Word of God and the bible as the Word of God. You use your own shitty book filled with the spirit of deception.

>>37628204

Satan isn't real.

>>37628284
>Even though He told us otherwise
so did allah

allah > jesus

>>37628204
I don't need to see a book rewritten by hundreds of people over thousands of years. Jesus is one of Gods mightiest prophets. It is an extreme sin of saying a normal man is God,

>>37628291
Yes he is, he created shit religion of Islam. He told some guy sitting in a dark cave to go and kill people, lie and steal and fornicate and all other types of unrighteous shit.

>>37628217

Violence and breeding.

>>37628284
How can a man be God?

Did Jesus have to eat, drink, sleep, piss and shit?

If so, then he definitely is not God.

>>37627320
It's subjective, but hate towards your kind is understandable then, yes?

>>37628308

Yes but alah isn't real, except for demented and brainwashed plebs. Do you realise that your cult of hate is whats wrong with humanity as a whole?

>>37628127
Im guessing youre >>37628024 and I second this >>37628181

That Turkish guy is your typical 'kuffar fgt' shit talker who probably doesn't even read the Quran. If a non-Muslims said salam to me, I'd probably be mates with him (just like how I have a gay mate I regularly play dota with. If I didn't read the Quran Id probably have never befriended him, but in fact as a Muslim, it's my duty to represent my faith to people I come into contact with, because I might be one of the small reasons they get nudged onto the straight path).

Don't be scared to say it. In fact, use it as a sort of test. Those who reply negatively are clearly people absorbed by global issues, and those who are positive will most likely shout you a drink.

>>37628164
Well, I was likely very rude to you earlier. You'll have to accept my sincere apologies - or I hope you will anyway. That opening tract in the Noble Qu'ran just really bothers me. Still, that's no excuse to take it out on you or others. I'm sorry.

So yeah, I see your reasoning. What would be your solution then? An Islamic society as close as possible to the first Ummah? Isn't this what ISIS are trying to create? Also, I see the frustration but you acknowledge people are human, right? Human beings are very selfish and capable of enormous depravities. Do you consider you might be being idealistic (albeit well intentioned)?

And yeah, that's interesting. In Christianity it's the same to an extent in that we must prove ourselves to God but we have the Jesus 'get out' card as it were. Depends on which Christian you talk to though I suppose.

Very interesting post, thank you.

>>37628310
Yes, you are right. Everything of which you dislike is the work of the devil. Case closed. Everyone, lets go home now. You solved it. Good work.

>>37628309
Retardation. I cannot help you, because I cannot lift the veil of deception that clouds your spirit. Read the gospel. I hope that the Lord can call you to repentance.

>>37628358
Anti-Christ calling another anti-Christ hateful.
Heuheuheuheueh.

>a house divided against itself cannot stand

The Lord will be exalted in all the earth.

>>37628389
>wahhhhh lies are just as good as the truth, stop siding with the truth you will offend the liars

>>37628310
>fornicate

never

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>>37628167
Well, you understand I mean no offense, right? I actually have an enormous amount of respect for the based Prophet but usually in conversation I just refer to him as 'beloved' or 'blessed' to make it clear I think highly of him but not to give the impression I'm mimicking thoughtlessly. Usually on here, I refer to him as 'based' so perhaps I'll stick with that.

>>37628367
That's awesome to know actually. He was a pretty grumpy individual, yeah. I think I will go back to saying it but I'll be a little more discerning. I'd rather someone was angry with me for saying something than saying it and they quietly think I'm trying to offend them.

Good. I'm glad you said so. Like I say, I really like it.

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Islam is the religion of peace.
Do not fear us.

>>37628181
I wasn't polite or respectful up- thread, however, and for that I'm sorry. I hope you forgive me. Your generosity of spirit and kindness is much appreciated regardless.

Also, apologies. I'll rephrase. In the opening portion of the Noble Qu'ran it states that Jews have incurred God's anger and that Christians have 'gone away' from God. How do you feel about that relevant to the text you put up regarding the based Prophet's extending of protections, allegiance, and rights to Christians? Did he mean it only for that monastery in question or is it meant for all Christians eternally?

>>37628372
Not that poster you replied to, but I might be of some help.

ISIS is definitely not representative of Islam and what it is doing is completely wrong, and it disturbs me as a person and in a way religiously how they try to distort the message of God.
There are some theories that say ISIS is a puppet of US and or Mossad, and I personally believe that, a bit evidenced by the fact US was supplying them with weapons. But lets just ignore that for a second.

Maybe you have seen this? If not, it's very worthwhile to take a look:

http://lettertobaghdadi.com/

Also it's amazing, there's politeness in this board, even if for a second. It sorta rubs off.

>>37628372
>What would be your solution then?
This is a difficult question, and I'm certainly not an authority to be able to say. Though just to respond to your points, it's not about forming an Islamic society (and let's please not bring in IS. They're militant fuck heads who are trained by Americans and Jews which is payed for by scum rich Arab leaders. I'd rather get into it in a more related thread, but all you have to know is no, these people not trying to do that).

The point is to submit to God. And the only way that will happen is by being a person of the Quran. Whatever happens next will still happen, but so long we're as faithful servants, we're on the correct path. That's what matter the most. And your comment about human nature just reflects how even with clear proof, people would still rather trade the hereafter for this world (referring mainly to Muslims). But this is the challenge of life I suppose, and I personally think we're living in the modern age Sodom and Gomorrah (an age of severe social ignorance).

Is it just a permanent shift toward the end times or is this something we get over? I can't say, and I'm leaning to the latter since one of the main signs of the end times is less and less Muslims elevating the Prophets (saw) mention (through the call to prayer and during prayer itself, meaning a big loss of faith). With 1.6 billion Muslims who are still largely religious, I think the role is still on us. Is it idealistic? Maybe slightly. But people are their own drivers, and the only thing stopping them from gaining everything is themselves.

When discussed like this, I really love this topic.

>>37628654
Well, I have a tendency to lash out when I'm upset but I disappoint myself because the truth is I love God and I know that hurting Muslims even with words is unacceptable to God because I know they really love God too. It's hard being human.

That's a wonderful link, thank you so much. I'm not convinced by the CIA/Mossad claims although I don't dispute they're likely involved somewhere along the line undoubtedly. I've been frustrated by the lack of Muslim response to ISIS but then to be fair, it's not that long and it would be hard to galvanise one and a half billion people to agree on a statement. Nonetheless, my frustration has been mainly because I feel ISIS has hijacked Islam and it is really up to Muslims to take it back. Not for apologetics reasons or pandering to the mob but because, you know, it's your religion. Even for me as a Christian and someone who really, really loves God more than anything, I'm just appalled that they could bring God into such disrepute, too.

I like that you're fighting back, though. I will also join you. Not for God only but also for the blessed Prophet, too. He doesn't deserve this.

Thanks again for that link. I find it very heartening and uplifting indeed.

>>37628592
I'd like to say that Jews who were guided by Moses and Christians who were guided by Jesus, are considered Muslims by Muslims. It's considered these peoples were on the right path, and if you were one at those times, you would be entered into Heaven. However, after Jesus started leading people to the right path, they needed to listen to the latest prophet, and after Jesus, they needed to listen to Muhammad. The Christians that have 'gone away' from God, were the ones that elevated the prophet, Jesus, a man, into the son of God, in fact God. I believe Jesus became 'God' over 300 years after his death. Read "First Council of Nicaea".

I believe the text I put up may be something that can act as a bridge between the two religions. Also I believe her mean't it not only for the monastery but for everywhere.

>>37627980
sandnigger

>>37628330
you mean inbreeding, right?

violence and inbreeding.

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>>37629009

Islam and Kikeism shall both meet their end at the hands of the coming volkisch empire. Say your goodbyes subhumans.

>>37628679
Yeah, apologies, I should have clarified on ISIS but I raised them as your post immediately made me think of the human nature aspect that I then went on to state more expressly.

It's not necessarily idealistic. I think Islam offers a huge amount of guidance and parameters that if you were devoted even marginally, you'd probably live a very happy, fulfiling life. It's just for someone like me, and I'm what other Christians usually refer to as a 'wishy washy liberal', I'm in conflict with the idea that there is an absolute way of behaviour and approach to texts. Granted, I feel the same sense of frustration at what seems to be an increasingly arrogant and God-less world but I also see it as God is complex and often unknowable in intention but always right. So, I don't really bother with what other people do or think or even how they behave (apart from harming themselves or others obviously).

I see this as being a possible issue for us being able to live side by side peacefully. I'm probably actually neutral in that I could likely live in a Muslim society very easily and happily as long as it was more of a monastic, disengaged life so I could spend a lot of time on God (and gardening which I love almost as much) but it seems to me the world is pulling in two extreme directions. On the one hand, the devoted becoming more devoted to the point where they are at risk of losing their sense of pluralism but then on the other, the increasingly almost suffocating shallowness of materialist secularism.

Do you think we could ever all live together happily or do we really need to part ways?

>>37628895
Oh, Al Qaeda in Iraq (AQI) now known as ISIS, has been defeated before by Muslims tribes who united. However they came back.

There have been some attempts of Muslims, but it's not really shown in the media.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/sunni-tribal-leaders-offer-to-battle-islamic-state-if-baghdad-makes-concessions-20140816-104slk.html

Sunni tribes are willing to fight again, only if Sunni areas are made autonomous.

Also here is the message of Muhammad to the Christians, in a better form, with more points.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achtiname_of_Muhammad

Check this:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-23/why-dont-muslims-speak-out-against-isis

Also write in google "Muslim protest against ISIS" and more will probably come up.

>>37617566
>1.6 billion

>1.6 billion people are killing and subjugating the kuffar dogs

If this was remotely true, we would have wiped out Western civilization long ago

>>37628955
Oh, so are you saying that tract refers to the trinitarian doctrines? That's interesting.

I'm one of those Christians that doesn't subscribe to that anyway (inb4 some or other rabid Catholic). "I am the Lord your God, you will have no other gods before me". Number one commandment. Seems very clear.

Regardless, Christianity is very diverse and often quite nuanced in interpretation, too. Trinitarianism doesn't actually mean Jesus is God; it's just a way of articulating a series of concepts that yeah, sure, there is some textual basis for but largely has to do with a likely political threat at the time. I find it hard to condemn other Christians anyway. It concerns me that Muslims might not appreciate that while it might seem disappointing on the surface of if, that pretty much every Christian sect has got some strong basis, scriptural or otherwise well thought out, at its heart.

Still, that text is beautiful and very clear. It reminds me of why I like the based Prophet so much. His wisdom and great vision and sense of compassion often gets sadly lost in all the to and fro, I feel. Much like Jesus as well. It's sad.

Also, that was a good opportunity for you to point out that we have texts where a Christian can reasonably stone a person to death or inflict injuries on Jews. I find it interesting again that you don't mention them. You'd certainly be right to.

Impressive. An entire room full of what is essentially right wing young adults. Not sure if you would see that outside of an Islamic gathering.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like muslims, I don't agree with their ways, and they don't belong in the West at all, but considering how far liberalism has infiltrated our society, it's hard not to admire people who are so staunchly against it.

>>37629139
Christianity and Islam part ways? Absolutely not. Religion and degeneracy need to part ways, and both of us are on the same team on that one.

Christianity and Judaism are just an incomplete version of Islam, and the only way for someone to come back to Islam is by God's guidance alone. No person, no matter how persuasive they seem will convince you otherwise. We could easily live side by side (as we have throughout history) as our variances arise from the Prophets and what their messages really were. Our values, however (aside from alcohol and consumption of swine) are expectedly similar. There's a reason for that.

My last bit of advice to you is to simply be 100% satisfied with being a Christian. If you read the bible, did some level of research evaluating what it says and checked if it lives up the scrutiny, then I have no problem with you being a Christian, since that is exactly the reason why I'm still a Muslim. If however, you just can't seem to get some doubts out of your mind, flush your heart clean and ask God for guidance. Don't begin investigating other religions. Simply, with sincerity, ask God for guidance. Because honestly? That's all it takes.

>>37629118
most retarded post of the day, complete with a gay picture. amazing!

>>37629348
Oh no, I'm good with God. I appreciate your advice anyway. Opening up your heart to God is one of the best experiences of being alive as far as I'm concerned. You remind me that I'd like to read the Qu'ran, though. Which version would you suggest? Also, should I read any Sunnah or Hadith along with it or are they too large to go through? I'm a complete novice, I'm afraid.

Also, that's great to hear. I'm really happy you don't think so. It should never be forgotten that some of our oldest forms of Christianity have survived not in spite of but BECAUSE they have been hosted in Muslim nations. That, more than anything, speaks volumes to me about the respect and brotherhood Islam feels for Christianity regardless of any texts or tracts anyone pulls out. You should mention it more often as well.

I'll take your wise advice on board. Thank you very much. And thank you too for your well considered and thought-provoking posts. It has been a pleasure talking to you and I regret we didn't earlier. Still, I'm sure I'll run into you again and hope I do.

>>37629308
shut up kike.

>>37629264
Here is a video I like which describes the character of the Prophet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58_C_TYdj1o


It's 11 minutes long, but I think you might like it if you watch it all the way through. It shows you the humanity, how he was a kind and caring person. If he was anything but that, there would be no Muslims today.

It's kinda funny. Islam and Christianity both started out as persecuted religions. They both have a similar start.

>>37617566
fuck off JIDF /pol/ is a muslim controlled area

>>37629156
I tend to avoid Google as I consider them the very definition of Satan but ok, I will. Also, yeah, Maliki was a horrible shit and deserved to go. It annoys the hell out of me that most of the issue with ISIS just comes down to plain old fashioned policing which means good government which means not being a sectarian fucker. I hope the Iraqi government and army has learned its lesson. The simple fact of the matter is ISIS are comparable to a marauding gang that would be getting nowhere if the country was policed properly and not left like some sort of frontier cowboys and indians territory.

More great links, thank you. I'm just reading the Why Don't Muslims Speak Out one now. Very enlightening. I really like this:

> “The statement made against Christians is truly awful. Islamic scholars need to focus on this (because) an inability to peacefully sustain other faiths and cultures heralds the collapse of a civilization,”

So, so insightful and so true. But yeah, it's true the press just doesn't report on it. If you go on the Muslim Council of Britain website, time after time, they've made statements - about James Foley, the other murdered hostages - and yet no one ever picks them up. Occasionally the Guardian maybe or the Independent but the gutter press would rather just ignore them because I guess it suits their bias narratives. Appalling.

Anyway, great links. Thanks so much again. A lot to feel very positive about. I feel bad for saying Muslims should do more - it seems abundantly clear to me that they are. Bookmarked the Achtiname of Muhammed, too, by the way. It seems very obvious to me that the blessed Prophet really loved those who loved God and, well, I just can't find anything to fault in that at all.

>>37628114
Jesus died, betrayed by puppets who feared his message of peace, as they saw him as a threat to their worldly power. as he died, he prayed aloud "forgive them father for they know not what they do"
his connection to the divine was so strong that, just before the Romans came to arrest him, he prayed to God asking for a release from the suffering he knew would follow him, but when reminded that things must happen the way they did, he gracefully accepted fate.

Muhammad died because he was so fucking stupid that after he attacked a town and slaughtered many within it, he fucking accepted an invitation to dine at the home of one of the women who had family members killed.
his connection to the divine was so strong that God only bothered to to tell him that the food was poisoned AFTER he ate some of it, to which another diner said that he could tell it was poisoned by the taste, but just figured that so long as Muhammad could eat it, Allah must be protecting them all, so he could eat it too. they both died painfully.

>>37629522
I think the Prophets(saw) character would make more sense to understand once you're a Muslim. Videos like this are aimed Muslims so I feel it could potentially alienate some people (I wouldn't watch a Christianity related video to be honest, so it would be totally fair if he didn't either).

I'll post best reciter for the hell of before thread dies. This guy is beyond words.
facebookcom/video(dot)p h p ? v = 545727732224900

>>37617566
now post the christian one

>>37629808
>shitty bait

>>37629522
I'll look at it now, thank you. If you ever get a chance to, I highly recommend this book. It's the second biography of him I've read by this author. She's extremely knowledgeable and very intelligent but her analysis of him is so beautifully thought out and expressed and accessible. I honestly think you would love it.

And yes, that's true. My very first paper I ever did on the Islam was about the Hajj and I found the videos, texts, etc., we had to source so poignant in a way. I always say to people if you want to really understand Islam, you should look at the process of the Hajj. This great and arduous journey of the great Ummah of the Prophet through deserts (metaphorical and physical) to the water and life of Islam. That Islam is like a beautiful garden that gives you shade and respite from the tiredness of all the heat of life. I think it's probably the best analogy I could come up with to describe it.

Looking at the link now.

>>37629456
I'm not one who is really qualified for this, but I think you should read the Quran first, and then you can decide for yourself. I myself have an English Quran as I can't read Arabic. When I look up a verse, there can be so many meanings.

Heres an example:

http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=1&verse=5

There's also more probably.

Also tell me what you think of the youtube link lol