The moral steadfastness of a modern society is represented by its architecture.
So the western world is fucked.
This monstrosity was done by Daniel Libeskind, a german jew architect.
/pol/ was right again
Everybody should watch this - it explains everything wrong with modern architecture and art. It's one of my favourite documentaries.
>destruction of the old traditional values
Huh? If you look at the order of ascension, it mirror typical Vitruvius construction: heavy on the bottom, and slimmer at the top [masculine to feminine].
Whatever's inside isn't really my care; the outside looks fine and architecture can't always cling to tradition -- despite what /pol/ idiots love to think.
I'm studying to become an archetect.
I like traditional archetecture but also elements in modern archetecture. I want to create a whole new innovative archetectural style that combines the asthetics of both.
What do I need to know?
>On completion in 2019 the building will house a modern museum containing collections of African and other non-European art.
When will the Jews stop fucking up my country? It's been 70 years you dumb kikes, you can stop punishing us for trying to stop you getting typhus now.
This entire thread will help you:
And for fucks sake please get yourself every book about Vitruvius.
Keep in mind that there is NO school in this world anymore which teaches everything about classical architecture.
You have to learn it all by yourself.
Please learn classical architecture proportions.
Learn about how humans actually use spaces. Buildings are for people. If its more about making yournown personal statement, it's just self indulgent jacking off. As for form and aesthetic, study pre-modern artistic sensibilities.
Here is a discussion of the break of modernity with pre-modernity. Focus on his description of art.
Learn the fucking golden ratio and apply it when you're designing buildings. Also incorporate classical ornaments please.
How do you feel about the fact that this is being build currently in moscow while you have to learn postmodernist shit at school?
What are some good additions to existing buildings?
Frank Gehry built a new building and then connected it to the old building by sticking a spiral stair in the atrium.
/pol/ keeps proving true, like a law of nature, an inexplicable phenomenon that keeps turning up again and again.
^the addition of that hideous arrow-thing was made by a whiteculture-hating kike.
> I want to create a whole new innovative archetectural style that combines the asthetics of both.
Don't do that please. Don't be the cancer. Instead try to relearn traditional styles.
I bet the evil kike took great pleasure in ruining that beautiful piece of European work.
>What are some good additions to existing buildings?
Stone fireplaces at appropriate locations, uhh... that's all I can think of right now. It really depends on the building, and any building worth its materials would only have glass for windows IMO.
I agree with your sentiment. Are you american? European? You know what you could do? get yourself access to the old european archives. They have tons of blueprints of neo-baroque buildings which they never build because of modernism. Just get yourself access to it and LET GO OF YOUR STUPID EGO. Just because you're getting yourself ideas from past architects doesn't mean you have to be butthurt about it.
You need to learn how they designed in the past. That's the only way how to learn it.
Pic related: that's how they look like
>apply classic ornaments please
>written by Any Rand
She's a fucking kike. No wonder she disagrees with classical building style.
/pol/ was right again
I want to incorporate glass and metal into the designs tastefully. I think it's possible, but I want to do it while following traditional theory and asthetic, so it becomes a new style of our own age. Bringing traditional archetecture into a new generation instead of throwing out the golden ratio and just shoving random ass wedges of metal into things.
British. Prince Charles seems to be fighting the faggotry. I don't know where to acquire archives of anything traditional.
I think the fountainhead is probably the quintessential jewish book. Veneration of selfishness, out of control self-regard, cult of the genius that conveniently leaves european traditions as the ones to be destroyed and of course the jewishly warped view of sexuality.
There's litteraly no reason why I should give a fuck about what a kike has to say about European traditional culture. So fuck off.
I don't wanna get a accused of white knighting in here but I'm pretty sure these architects should be chemically castrated and locked up for raping buildings.
You're in the process of getting redpilled so I understand you still cling to glass and metal but you will see after getting through the reading material that its not how it should be. Classical architects have defined european architecture very strictly and given guidelines which you have to follow in order to design buildings which appeal to the human eye and are beautiful. You have learn the right proportions. Modern architects don't get them right or they *think* they get them right because they have never really learned the right proportions. Read the thread link I gave you a few posts ago, you will understand.
Freedom Tower, er wait, not anymore. It was changed to the One World tower.
I agree. England's degeneration is correlated with the change in the london Skyline
This was build in 2012 in Saint Petersburg.
>I want to incorporate glass and metal into the designs tastefully
Fair enough. Classical buildings already started to be crafted with steel framework in the 19th century. Study the guts of classic building, the engineering, and the instead of stone and cement, consider how glass and iron can be used for the walls and ceilings. However, even back when castles were still being built, the interiors were plastered and decorated with aesthetically pleasing art. The very idea of harsh industrial materials in living spaces if a modern concept that may be inately contradictory to classic architecture.
Glass and Metal are not as durable as granite or limestone. Also limestone ages beautifully. These buildings with stone look even better when they age.
It gets better
The whole African stuff is part of the Humboldt-Forum named after Alexander von Humboldt, a naturalist and explorer
I agree, they make still some mistakes but at least they're trying.
Pic related: finished in 2009, somewhere in the US
You can mix modern and old no problem. Anything can look good if you take the time to design it like it grew out of its plot.
Modern architects issue is they have been taught that paying attention to genius loci is literally being a fascist. The first essay they asked me to write at university pitted Heidegger against Bauhaus and the internationalists and the reading material supplied didn't waste any time insisting that the man was worse than Hitler.
The problem with this is that it damns vertical expansion by linking it at the same time with over horizontal expansion. Vertical is the best way for a post agrarian society to live. Sub-urbanization was a failed experiment of a post world war age. Of course concentration means higher risk from those who would want to harm society, but there could be steps taken to limit such threats.
True; it is a step in the right direction.
As for your pic, I very much like that! I really love how so many older buildings here in the US imitate the old Greco-Roman Classical style.... which, when history repeats itself (Rome declining -> America declining), it makes the analogy all the more acute.
That pic is a very cool mix of postmodern deconstruction ism and neo-classical. The contrast of the symmetrical original and asymmetrical addition are visually appealing and work manifold.
10/10 would want in my city
That's fine, I already live on this street.
this was built in Saint Petersburg in 2013.
And that's not just some building - this monstrosity is the second scene of Mariinsky Theatre
The revival is very nice in the US. Especially in New york. You should take a look. They are building completely new neobaroque and roman/greek inspired buildings everywhere. It's crazy.
Pic related, build somewhere around 2008
You forgot to mention that "juxtaposition" is beautiful and it doesn't mean that the styles are clashing into a monsterous post modernist tumor that makes people want to an hero.
Baroque main refectory of the Cistercian Lubiaz Abbey, one of the largest monasteries in the world.
Azerbadjan is building a fuck lot of new traditional style buildings.
Art Deco needs a revival. It embraces technology without sacrificing ornamentation.
Art deco is pretty suited for glass and metal in hi-rise builds. 1920 futurist is pretty similar in that way a well. It can be done, modern architects are just going full retard and cannot into metal and glass ornamentation.
>22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."
>23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."
I'd have a house with honest material and local integrity over;
a pastiche that accidentally disrespects an original by being made of cinder blocks and in the wrong ratios
Or a deliberately disrespectfully building that has a gull wing roof because its neighbors have a typical pitched.
I know what you're trying to say, and to some extents I agree, but really regression =! stagnation.
Stagnation implies no movement whatsoever, whereas regression implies movement towards a previous state.
Regression often follows too rapid progression. See: the rise of anti-liberal regimes in the aftermath of WWI as a regression to the liberalism that dominated Europe previously
how do people even find this attractive? i thought "eh modernism is ok it's about using the least effort/cost to build something usually" this though? it's not even remotely practical wtf
I agree with this. Glass and metal were absent in classical architecture due to engineering limitations. Art deco was a good early attempt to integrate new materials. Unfortunately that all ended after WWII.
Its allright as far as I know, they're using good stone material (not like the chinese). Seems like they want to go full neoclassic in their cities. Its crazy.
Pic related: Azerbadjan, new construction.
I'll let you know in 20 years when the concrete it's made of starts spalling.
Seriously if you're not going to build these things properly you shouldn't build them.
Can you spot the kike?
they're some weird mix of russians and tatars I think
President looks like a turk
>not combining past and future styles of building for the capitol of your technocratic empire
That's not concrete, its limestone. They will last for centuries and will age beautifully.
now I know why I love the face of this car
The world of computing has Moore's law - the number of transistors in a dense integrated circuit doubles approximately every two years.
The world of architecture has Frank Gehry, who will find a way to be worse year after year no matter how improbable that seems.
If done right, this is literally perfection.
Something like Adam Jensen`s apartment in Deus Ex HR
But newer stuff should only be an addition to the older stuff without overpowering it
well Dresden got bombed and still...they rebuild everything in the old style
Anon in 50 years these glass shitstains will become obsolete just like the blocky concrete buildings from the 60's and 70's. Yet traditional buildings will still be desired like they always have.
Imagine what our cities will look like circa 3,000 AD
>tfw not living in futuristic space city with flying car and waifu-bot
>not using holograms as art installations
Does anyone else rate fascist architecture highly?
Say what you want about their politics, but damn do I think they really got that "simple yet robust" look down-pat.
It combines the strength and imposing nature of traditional architecture with the elegance and grace of more modern schools of thought.
If I was to become an architect, I'd take heavy ques from it I feel.
Modern architecture is all the same in a way, the common feature all modern architecture has is rejection. Rejection of any pre conceived idea, rejection of place, neighbours, culture, I've seen a lot of models and buildings take it so far as to reject the ground itself as something that the architect will let influence their exhibition in how nuts they are.
Maybe on earth. Things will be better in space
Speer was a good, classically educated architect, and the German spin on neoclassicism+simple art deco looked nice.
>A bit too simple, and too brutish
That's exactly what I like about it though. To me it feels as though it's "traditional architecture for modernity." Like, I understand the respect for tradition buildings, but the simple reality is they look out of place in today's world of cables, technology and high-tech infrastructure.
If you appropriate the good parts of traditional construction and make them more suitable with modern aesthetics, then you have things that not only look good and last for centuries, but also feel "in place" in society.
You could have said the same thing when they invented electric lamps, or telegraph lines. Many of these conventions go back after two thousand years and their relevance is not effected by the existence of a computer.
No, what the anon you're replying to wanted to say is that NS architecture lacks ornaments and is too brutish. But still it got a bit of hellenistic touch. Its okay but not perfect. The Germania welthauptstadt was a pretty nice idea though.
>they always use low quality "fake" materials too
Because they don't build anything to last because the assumption is in another 20 - 40 years some other jackass is gonna come along and want something new with his name on it
So our buildings much like everything else suffer the consumerist mentality that all is disposable in the never-ending lust for having something new.
It's a shame they knocked so much of it down, socialist sculpture is alien.
I know, and I'm saying that the lack of ornamentation is what, in my eyes, makes it aesthetically appealing.
The thing is those technologies have since progressed, so the traditional ornamental street lamps have since been replaced by modern steel poles, horse carriages now replaced by sleek modern cars, etc.
For me, personally, I guess I feel that as much as traditional buildings still command a lot of power and emotional invocation, they look kinda silly being full of server rooms and surrounded by hyper-modern electric buses, etc.
Modernist pastiche of a neo-romanesque facade in a 1910s Catholic cathedral.
Yay or nay?
"You're ability to define space and create places that are worth caring about all comes from a body of culture that we call 'the culture of civic design'. This is a body of knowledge, method, skill, and principle that WE through in the garbage after world war II."
I have to drive past this every day. I have to attend alot of events here. I am even somewhat friends with the guy this building is named after (or rather his son, because the benefactor named the place after his dad).
I hate you so much Frank Ghery. So. Much.
Hello there, I am a water-tower
>For me, personally, I guess I feel that as much as traditional buildings still command a lot of power and emotional invocation, they look kinda silly being full of server rooms and surrounded by hyper-modern electric buses, etc.
That is simply because you have grown up in a world dominated by modern architecture. You associate the two because that is what you are used to. Its an illusion based on your experiences, which is why things that differ from that seem odd.
The continuation of modernisms depend on habits and biases like this.
"We have about 38,000 places that are not worth caring about in the United States today, when we have enough of them, we're going to have a nation that not worth defending, and I want you to think about that when you think about those young men and women that are over in places like Iraq, spilling their blood in the sand and ask yourself what is their last thought of home? I hope its not the curb cut between the Chuck E. Cheese, and the Target store, because that's not good enough for Americans."
>"Reflected light from London skyscraper melts car"
gremany is still obsessed with jew
What? It's not that I associate traditional style buildings with modern infrastucture by their nature (I actually really like old timey photographs of the grand European capitals of the Victorian era), it's that you literally can't remove one from the other in this modern world.
I'm saying that if I had a say in the direction of contemporary constructions, I'd push to have large, traditional-proportioned buildings that lack all the decorative facades.
>who the fuck would design that shit? And who the fuck approved it?
a picture at my homeland
also relevant at /pol/ our radical nationalist party is currently in power
Ah, you mean sculptures and ornamentation? Considering most of these additions are mass produced now a days and that artisans and craftsmen of them are all but nonexistent, I don't totally disagree with you.
I wouldn't make a hard and fast rule of it, but ornation simply as some historical anachronistic roleplay is not what we need.
One other thing: its not always clear where classical forms end and extraneous ornamentation begins.
The worst thing about the cathedral in Cologne is that it's surrounded by shitskin drug dealers, the fountain in front of it is full of cigarette butts and the pavements around it are littered with bottles and dog (I hope it's dog) shit.
Posting some Pyoongyang stuff.
Sure it may look kinda old but it still looks cozy to me in some way.
You can say what you want but their statues and propaganda posters are 10/10
The building in the background is simple yet it doesn't look "modern/minimalistic/boring".
>china eclipsing the west when
But the russians have this super boring/sombre soviet feel to them. To me >>34138654 >>34138616 >>34138559 & >>34138503 look pretty cozy. I know the 90% of NK is total crap but pyongyang is a beautiful city IMO
The lower clock includes mechanical goats which have a fight every noon.
They sometimes get stuck but hey, they've been there since 1551.
The pyramid du Louvre is okay. That's how ou do it right.
It didn't change the palace itself, it just added something in the courtyard as well as a new entrance for the basement of the museum.
Paris still look great and traditional, with few exceptions (the Tour Montparnasse which look like shit), all the modern towers are only in the buiness district of La Defense. Whn you have a city that is 2000 years old, you respect it.
Are you fucking retarded? It's called One Wolrd Trade Center because it is the number one building of the world trade center complex, which is made up of 5 skyscrapers. Just like how the North Tower's actual name was also One World Trade Center. You people are so fucking stupid sometimes it's not even funny.
The pyramid in the louvre is one of very the few "modern architecture mixed with traditional architecture" done right, the inside is also really beautiful (yet simple).
I don't think the risk is that high, probably MUCH lower than countries luke turkey. from what I know there is only one foreigner in a north korean prison, and like 2000 people go yearly.
I live in a town near bath so go there alot and it is the most butiful city I have ever been to, even the shit parts are mlg pro
WTC cannot into architecture
You just dont want to hurt I. M. Pei's feelings
I recently went to Rome and I liked it more than Paris, literally every building in that city is art.
This is my city hall.
It was the tallest building in the world from 1901-1908 and is still the tallest masonry building without a steel frame in the world. In order to withstand the weight, the walls at the base are 22 feet thick at some parts.
With almost 700 rooms, City Hall is the largest municipal building in the United States and one of the largest in the world. The statue of William Penn at the very top alone weighs 27 tons.
>literally every building in that city is art.
you must love Washington D.C. then
I'm not convinced as I'm a capitalist at heart. I'm interested in North Korea though because it is the product of western imperialism. The United States is great at creating repressive hermit states by creating blockades / trade sanctions.
They recently build a giant glass building in Utrecht (Netherlands), it is so ugly.
I was in Krakow a few weeks ago, and some of the architecture and buildings there are just great.
I think it's already been posted, but this is Wawel Castle which is situated on Wawel Hill next to the Vistula. Polish people are quite proud of this time in their history, so these sort of buildings tend to be kept in very good shape.
aww shit ive been there so i wont reveal it.
but heres a pic from the top
I wish density wasn't a bad word with architects now. Every building now needs its own lot, usually a great big pointless lawn around it that's overgrown with weeds. And it makes it impossible to walk anywhere farther than a few blocks away unless you want to spend an hour getting there.
All of those buildings you see around the square are restaurants, literally every single one of them is full on evenings. During the day, especially if it's warm, people just chill around the fountain or the marketplace (the big building in the centre of the square). It's quite sad though because a lot of other places in Krakow are just plain shit, but the square is a big exception
yeah the one city that isn't a complete catastrophe in america is the one the jews have taken over, surprise surprise. nice walkable cities for us, complete abominations of civic engineering for everyone else
because there's enough light inside
Pro tip: Each city builds its own trade centers then get it certified as a World Trade Center by submitting it to the World Trace Centers Association, which controls the World Trade Center brand
How about Galleria Vittorio Emanuele II in Milan?
i'm confused by your post, i think you're in the wrong thread or something
How about Brookfield Place, one of Salvatore Calatrava projects that didn't end up becoming a massive engineering disaster.
my most favorite place in hamburg. It's where I first met my now wife.
They had to build this monstrosity on top of it.
>what is 4chan integrated imagesearch
In my hometown they've built a large (130,000 sq meters) mall in an area adjoining townhouses on one side.
Instead of building entrances on that side of the mall they've merged the mall with the townhouses.
Pic related - you enter the red house and there's an escalator there taking you to the mall proper.
This is a picture of the Fairmount Water Works, located in Fairmount Park, Philadelphia.
On the hill behind it is the back of the Philadelphia Museum of Art.
Wow they completely destroyed the old styled buildings. What monsters. That's a crime against humanity.
Nice work they did. And then they say nobody builds in neoclassical style anymore. We just need to promote it more and say no to modernist crap.
>And then they say nobody builds in neoclassical style anymore.
To be fair, the waterworks was constructed mostly in the early 19th century and the art museum was constructed about a hundred years ago.
They're not really examples of contemporary construction.
oops forgot pic related
Even art deco train stations look like works of art.
Paper Bag by Fiona Apple.
I remember that our Old Senate was demolished for the construction of a subway line.
>All modernist architects appeared in the media to support the demolition.
>The building was designed to be detachable.
>Instead, was imploded, and the fucking subway line was build.
Why we have this putrid strain of architects? Why?
This is the interior of 30th Street Station in Philadelphia.
>be in krakow a few years ago during winter
>huge wooden barrels all over the square
>lots of people around them
>walk up to check what's up
>they're selling mulled wine
>neat simple clay mugs instead of plastic cups
>warm my hands on mug and talk with some girls
shit was so fucking cozy
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