Anyone who votes for the Nords is a fucking idiot. Anyone who controls a piece of land, rightfully owns it. If the Nords can rebel and takeover Skyrim, then it's rightfully their's -- that is, until the Empire strikes back and reclaims it.
>>33473026 Actually, by saving, loading, pausing to open your inventory or favorites menu, modding, or using console commands, you have achieved CHIM.
All of these acts are explained in-game, as being CHIM. You are your character and you are in full control of everything that happens to your character in the game, thus your character is already CHIM.
And it's not just about realizing you can pause and mod. The NPC who achieved CHIM turned into a god. The secret (according to the 37 sermons) is that.. ah hell it's to late at night for CHIM discussions. Tomorrow anon.
>>33473544 What I'm saying is that if you were a, say Nord, who lived in the TES universe, and you achieved CHIM, you would be able to in a sense, "open the console, target someone and type 'kill' to kill them". You would be able to, "pause", or "reload", or "save". You could open something akin to the creation kit, and mod yourself a waifu, or make yourself a dragon and fly around.
You, in this world, are playing a character, in the TES world, who can already do those things. When you're about to be murdered to death by a Dunmer mage in the game, you can just pause your game, open your inventory and pop a fire resist potion and a health potion. This is effectively your character turning into a "god" without actually becoming an Aedra or Daedra. You could even mod yourself into your version of the game as the 10th Divine if you wanted. This is what I mean.
Isn't there that Thalmor journal that reveals that Ulfric Stormcloak is one of their agents? I remember reading that fucker after I had kicked the empire out of Skyrim and freaking out because it was such a huge betrayal
When the Imperial Legion arrived to restore the rule of law, Ulfric refused them entry into the city until they also agreed free worship of Talos would be allowed. With chaos supposedly running through the streets of Markarth and the reports of deaths rising every day, the Empire had no choice but to grant Ulfric and his men their worship, thus jeopardizing the peace agreement with the Aldmeri Dominion.
Eventually, The Empire rescinded upon the agreement due to pressure from the Aldmeri Dominion, and Ulfric and his militia were expelled from the city and imprisoned shortly after. This betrayal left Ulfric bitter towards the Empire and is considered to be the initial conception of the Stormcloak rebellion.
They arrested and tortured him. He is listed as an uncooperative asset because he is fighting and weakening the Empire.
>>33474582 Daggerfall is a city in High Rock moron. Hammerfell is still fighting. And for various reasons but not the least of which is the fact that most of their soldiers were Imperial legionnaires and use Imperial armaments >The Concordat's terms also included the cession by the Empire of a large portion of southern Hammerfell to the Aldmeri Dominion. Hammerfell, however, was unwilling to accept the loss of so much territory and continued to fight, forcing Titus II to officially release Hammerfell from status as an Imperial province in order to maintain the treaty, but not before allowing most of the legionnaires stationed in Hammerfell to be declared 'invalid', thus allowing them to continue fighting.
>>33468412 While men are doomed if they fracture further, it is the ultimate right of a nation to self-determination. Solitude is an imperial city, Riften was destroyed by immigration, and other than that, most Jarls were for secession.
>>33475298 Technically but they're usually not thought of as such. It's rarely referenced in game (pretty sure other mer don't greet you as "brother" if the player is an orc). They're more likely to get lumped together with Kahjit and Argonians as "beastfolk". Where does it say they aren't in the pic?
>>33475720 No they wouldn't, there's such a thing as a coalition.
One united empire has already proved useless and now the elves run it from the inside with free reign to achieve their goals. With a disunited allied empire it would be much harder for them to covertly control kingdoms but they could still be fought by a coalition.
>>33475703 >What makes you say that they will need allies to defend the mountains?
The fact that they already failed to do that once.
>Do you assume the Greybeards will remain silent forever?
The Goybeards don't give a shit about happenings outside their stronghold. As long as they're free to worship their hippie dragon on their mountain, they're happy.
The only reason they interfered in the war at all was because the Dragonborn needed a temporary truce to beat Alduin, if I recall correctly. Besides dragon-related happenings, they don't give a shit about the outside world.
>>33475504 >>430 voters >>50/50 >>not rigged Maybe it's because the game was so amazingly written, where everyone who thinks logically will support the empire, but everyone emotionally supports the stormcloaks.
>>33475726 >When have smaller things survived to larger ones? All the time, look up the Napoleonic wars. A coalition of small states is often the best thing for combating larger states, especially when the enemy already has free reign to do what they've wanted to do all along from the inside of the empire.
>The Empire is your best chance, nigger. So they can lose again? KEK.
>>33475644 ....you probably think the same about real countries too don't you? First round it was hardly the WHOLE empire. Once the Bosmer realize that the Altmer aren't their friends and rebel, the Empire will come to their aid. Then the eastern provinces will put their backs into this time (because by now everyone realizes the Thalmor are dicks)
>>33475925 >Implying the Thalmor isn't the puppet of the merchants to spread fear among the god loving races and forcibly convert ever race to their way of thinking. Imperial=/=Thalmor Nords are the only ones that need to assimilate to the merchant ways.
>>33476019 >he Empire is your best chance, nigger. No, because real countries don't house magical monuments that shadowy organizations wish to destroy in order to undo creation.
>Once the Bosmer realize that the Altmer aren't their friends and rebel They are, the Thalmor aren't joking when they say they're the saviors of the elves. They pretty much gained power from winning at the Oblivion crisis and their whole goal is to return time to the dawn era when elves were immortal angel-like beings and men didn't exist. It's in the elves best interests that they win (except Orisimer and Dunmer who are theologically opposed to returning to the dawn era).
>Then the eastern provinces will put their backs into this time (because by now everyone realizes the Thalmor are dicks) Nigger, when Argonians were marching all over Resdayn the empire did sweet fuck all and now have pretty much no military control in Morrowind because house Redoran run the show.
The empire can expect House Redoran to do exactly for them what they did when they pulled the imperial troops out of Morrowind during the Oblivion Crisis, fucking nothing.
>>33476018 The aldmeri dominion is a formidable enemy. The only reason Tiber Septim was able to conquer the Summerset Isles was by utilizing mer technology left behind by the Dwemer, the Brass God. This is the whole reason they are setting out as conquerors now. They are angry that Talos defeated them, and now they want revenge.
A united Empire is the only thing that can stop their grasp at revenge. We have to beat them back to the source, or at least off the mainland.
>>33476227 Isn't there only one living dwarf left? I don't think that nigga's gonna do much.
>>33476055 The Greybeards can't fight the Thalmor alone. They're powerful, but 5 old men against the entire Thalmor army? They're fucked. The Nords need armies on their side, not a few Greybeards. And besides, >When the Thalmor come to destroy the Throat, they'll fight.
In order for them to even reach the Throat of the World, they would have to have already conquered half of Skyrim. It would be far too late by then.
>>33476263 They don't want revenge at Tiber Septim for conquering them, they want revenge on Lorkhan for dooming elven kind to mortality.
>A united Empire is the only thing that can stop their grasp at revenge. We have to beat them back to the source, or at least off the mainland. A united empire failed once, it will fail again especially since the Dominion have only gotten stronger and there's nothing that can save the empire now.
Hammerfell with aid from allies on Tamriel were able to resist Aldmeri conquest, literally the only people on the continent who were able to tell the Thalmor where to go and they were independent. There's no reason to believe an independent Skyrim couldn't do the same and there's plenty of reason to doubt that the empire are ever going to recover to their former strength.
>>33476211 Bosmer have a little man blood (just like Bretons have a little mer blood) Thalmor are the saviors of the Altmer. Remember when Delphine tells you Malborn can be trusted because "he's a Bosmer. Plenty of reason to hate the Thalmor" His family was wiped out in a Thalmor purge. A purge. You don't purge allies, you purge captive satellites
>>33476384 Neither do the Thalmor, if you want to worship fucking living god idols like Vivec they couldn't give two fucks. They don't want you to worship Talos not because they think it's heresy, but because Talos is a tower which they need to disable in order to undo creation.
>>33476573 >Implying being butthurt about Lorkhan aka Shor is the same as being butthurt about Lorkhan aka Talos. >>Elves would exist if not for the procreation of the Aedra in response to the sapping of their divine essence >Implying the Thalmor bothered thinking this through.
>>33476606 >Make them all immortal No, that would be just the Altmer. They are the only ones the Thalmor deem noble enough (and Khajit aren't elves at all. And you can't infer anything from the race of the assassin. He's an ASSASSIN. Fuck, I would have killed Malborn if someone was paying me to do it
>>33477146 They're loyal to the Altmer, because they think the elves did some magic shit with their moon or something. The Khajiit are all drug addicts anyway, they'd be useless no matter who's side they were on.
>>33477231 >implying the Altmer didn't use a shit ton of Illusion mages to hide the moon, wait awhile, then stop and say they brought back the moon to gain the Khajiit's loyalty I doubt they all believe that story. I'd wager the Khajiit don't like them as much as everyone else.
Hammerfell was able to fight off the dominion without help of a hero of the caliber of the Dragonborn. Skyrim is almost the farthest province away from the Summerset Isles their supply lines will buckle. They couldn't even beat Hammerfell and its the closest province! The Nords will push the mer into the sea, just like last time and Skyrim will be free.
>>33475644 They probably already destroyed the Green tower. The White tower may have been reactivated after the Oblivion crisis but then again, it may have been shut down again after the Great War. But the Thalmor already lost. Alduin WAS the end of the world that they were looking for. Dragonborn defeated him before the Snow Tower was destroyed. Elves missed their chance
>>33477723 The Dunmer are being dicks. They're the ones who started shit with the argonians and made Ulfric kick them out of the city. He's lucky he didn't kick out the Dunmer and give the grey quarter to Argonians.
>>33477636 They both live in squalor, have terrible homelands full of threats, with civilization bits few and far between, they are the ones who mainly rob and steal inside the Empire, so they are both the nigger races. I would still turn around any second and plow a femgonian like a fucking Nord tiger
>>33476446 That's a meaningless fact that's the result of the writers to put time between the Great War and the events of Skyrim. It's like saying the Thalmor waited a whole 200 years after the Oblivion Crisis to strike the Empire therefore they're pussies. Now that the Alduin is gone and the Snow tower stands, the score will be settled between the Empire and Thalmor
>>33477719 >argonians are barely evolved pond scum, always thieves and addicts >orcs are militaristic and brutal, but deeply divided and scattered argonians = basketball americans orcs = central african warbands
>>33477883 >Implying Argonians don't have a rich culture >Implying Argonians didn't single handily annihilate any Oblivion Gates in Black Marsh
The only Argonians you've ever met were the ones at the bottom. Every Argonian not forced to work some humiliating job is actually rather wise and great to talk to. Once Blackmarsh is made, Argonians will be proven master race.
Just 400 Nords laid waste to an entire city of Snow elves. Then the rest of them showed up and broke the Mer that attacked them over their knee like a little bitch so badly that the few ones left had to beg for a place to hide in the Dwemer realms. The nords are just as capable, if not more so, than the redguards in the art of war. Remember the only people who have stopped Skyrim from conquering their lands was the Dunmer with the help of the full Tribunal and their Dwemer allies. Last I checked the Tribunal is much weaker and the Dwemer don't exist.
Without hist-sap they don't become humanoid and they can't reproduce without it. Ingesting as much as they do makes them completely connected with the hist and can be turned into a robotic superhero with no free will at a moment's notice.
They're like a bunch of heroin addict sleeper agents.
>>33478103 The Hist are creators of the Argonians. That'd be like saying, "No, the Aedra have rich culture. The fact that they occasionally send mortals on great deeds doesn't make mortals any better".
>>33478259 >What gives the empire the advantage is that they breed a fuckload faster
This. The empire and nords are capable of creating massive legions of illiterate teenagers that will charge to their death high on skooma while yelling bucknaked. The endless brown tide from cyrodiil will wash away the golden-skinned racist oppressor along with their evil magic and culture.
>>33478248 Hist didn't create the Argonians, Argonians are mutant lizards that became that way from ingesting copious amounts of hist sap.
>That'd be like saying, "No, the Aedra have rich culture. The fact that they occasionally send mortals on great deeds doesn't make mortals any better". The difference is Mer actually achieve things of their own volition. The only time Argonians get anything done is when the hist starts piloting them like machines.
>>33478369 It's foolish to believe the TES games will allow you an event where the hero can't be vaugely remembered. To Bethesda, every player's storyline is canon, and to have a noble marriage would definitely hold documentation.
Friendly reminder that the Stormcloaks are shit-tier (no badass bretons, no imperials, no dunmer (who are awesome unlike real life niggers) no redguards (who are awesome unlike real life niggers) and only Nords) and the only way they'd ever win would be with the player's help, while if the player never intervened, the Empire would win without a doubt
Also friendly reminder that the Hero of Kvatch/Champion of Cyrodiil is Sheogorath
>there are people in this thread who actually support the failed Cyrodiilic state impersonating the glorious Septim Empire
It's like you all drink milk instead of mead. It's like you want to be slaves to the Thalmor, a gnostic omnicide cult who want to destroy the universe and erase mankind from the timeline in their attempt at becoming gods. It's like you don't realize that the lands of mankind have a better chance against the Thalmor without being controlled by the "Empire", given that the "Empire" is in massive debt and has been completely infiltrated by Thalmor agents.
What's with all these retards thinking the Empire and the Thalmor are allies?
They're not. They're in an unsteady as fuck ceasefire.
The Empire is poising to strike back at the Thalmor. The fucking emporer says so himself. Shit, he says the Empire would have still won if they kept the war going, but he didn't want to win a war if it meant more than half the population would be dead.
You think there are no high elves in the Thalmor secretly loyal to the empire? Hah, that's funny.
That's why when you go kill the Emporer, he doesn't really give that much of a shit. He's old as fuck and he knows he's got it coming, but he also knows he's got shit set up so that the Empire is going to live on long after his death.
>They're in an unsteady as fuck ceasefire. >allows the Thalmor free movement within the empire >allows the Thalmor to imprison and kill people with impunity >not thinking the Empire is a puppet state of the Dominion k
Doesn't work like that. Reality existed before Talos was even born. No one is stopping the nords from worshipping Shor or whoever the fuck. The fact is that these are Nords following the bastardized imperial pantheon that are rebelling. There are plenty of pro-Imperial Nords who invoke Shor instead of Talos and they aren't getting rounded up or taken away by Thalmor.
>>33478912 Imperial propagandists and the Thalmor alike want you to think they want to "undo reality" or whatever, but the fact is that it's purely material. They want to get rid of Talos worship to get rid of the cornerstone of the empire. If they wanted to undo reality there are far more effective means than banning worship of a god that only diehard imperialists care about.
CHIM is esoteric but it's understandable, especially if you understand real-world esoteric ideas enough to compare and constrast.
It is closest to the Carlyle/Evola idea of the hero, knowing the true names of the forces of the universe and transcending them. Well, that's what mantling is, at least. CHIM is the knowledge that you can do this, and the knowledge of how it works in the Elder Scrolls Universe.
The Elder Scrolls cosmology is Gnostic, except the Demiurge(Lorkhan) is the good guy. It's also related to Hinduism and Buddhism because it describes everything as a dream. CHIM is understanding the possibility of Gnosis in the Elder Scrolls universe, and coupling that with the knowledge of the specific routes one must take to achieve that Gnosis.
>>33479029 >believing the emperor The bloodiest battle was already over, all they had to do was followup and do one final push and i would have been done. You know.. like how Hammerfell did just that... by themselves
Except Talos is an upgrade to Shor. Talos was a man(and eventually multiple men) who transcended the human ancestor god Shor(aka Lorkhan, the demiurge).
Talos has an advantage over Shor in that living beings take up his mantle, and so he can act as a living being and become incarnate in more and more living beings. He is a god that literally holds the universe together through his link in blood and spirit to living humans.
Shor has always existed as an entity but his mortal form dies: he only is at full power in the aether. Talos is the fulfillment of Shor, because as long as Talos is a god, Shor's plan for a stable universe continues.
Shor created the world, and Talos transcended Shor while remaining human to become the glue that holds the universe together.
That is correct. Thu'um is where you know there true names. Mantling is more where you know the true names of the hero and his feats that you're trying to become through emulation, while CHIM is the intellectual aspect behind it all.
>>33468412 As much as I hate to admit it, the Imperials should control Skyrim. Talos himself founded the Empire. Just because the Empire is being a little bitch right now doesn't mean they have to stay that way. It's obvious that it is easiest t odestroy Thalmor scum via Imperial might than under direction of a pawn of the elves themselves. Besides, signs point to the Dragonborn being an incarnation or avatar of Talos, which would mean the Dragonborn should side with the Empire and lead them into a new age of glory, whilst also freeing everyone from Alduin's dumb ass cycle.
>>33479290 im trying to wrap my head around this. is it chim? this is like the baptist christians when backed into a logical corner spouting 'well it came from god. god did it. mysterious ways' fuck off
So much TIDF in this thread. >No Talos worship means no Talos >No Talos means no Dragonborn >No Dragonbonr means no one to protect the Snow Tower from Alduin >No Snow Tower means no Mundus The elves think this will free them of their mortal bonds (just like Gnostics think the demiurge is evil because hurr durr physical existence= enslavement) This would destroy Nirn and everything in it because it had its own divinity (Heart of Lorkhan) and that is what kept the Aldmer alive. Their divinity is gone, that shit isn't coming back
>>33479052 The Dwemer would be the Phoenician/Canaanite people who had a nice thing going before the Chimer (mudshit Hebrews) came in and beat them into submission. It works that way because the Dwemer went on to get assblasted by men (not mer) of some kind just like the Phoenicians went on to get genocided by the Romans.
>betrays his best friend so that he can become a god >proceeds to bone his best friend's widow(who helped him with the betrayal) >writes his massive ego into everyone else's pantheon >for Redguards specifically, makes a bunch of their kings suffer from male pregnancy >can change his sex at will >"marries" Molag Bal (and later Jubal al-Sul in c0dA) in the form of a woman >fights by transforming his penis into a spear and thrusting it into his enemies
>>33479484 It's funny because most of what he did is no worse than what Tiber Septim did. Yet Vivec is a "degenerate" and Talos is a "pure righteous aryan warrior who didn't do nothin wrong other than delete his political opponents out of existence and betray all his comrades"
>>33479459 >hurr it was all that tricky Lorkhan >implying the gods didn't agree with the plan for Mundus then go back on it when they realized the consequences >implying the elves don't think the very existence of the towers is what is keeping them mortal Sure, if you asked a Thalmor he'd tell you Alduin isn't what they want but that's because Thalmor don't actually understand shit and don't know that Alduin was their last shot
>>33479441 >The Dwemer would be the Phoenician/Canaanite people who had a nice thing going before the Chimer (mudshit Hebrews) came in and beat them into submission. It works that way because the Dwemer went on to get assblasted by men (not mer) of some kind just like the Phoenicians went on to get genocided by the Romans.
Ugh. They're Babylonians, fuckwit. Remember that important book in morrowind "The Hanging Gardens"? Direct shout-out to the hanging gardens of Babylon.
>>33479448 and then his penis turned inside out and a large otter made of easy cheese performed sexual things to his left ear and right elbow. following this it expired and crackers everywhere honked 4 times, while growing meatball sandwiches out their eyes. then a gigantic salamander rose out of vivecs forehead and began miming a desperate canoe riseing up and then sideways like a twinkie with a ballsack soup storm inside and twisted like a rope extending into shors asshole. then a lot of litigation went down. the thalmor became the thalless and began binging on skooma while the orcs grew tails. the tails became intertwined and forged a new playmate for optimus prime and his megazord family. the waxing of khajit was upon them and everyone was secreting grape flavored things.
>>33479586 >You will never be ruled over by a tribunal of gods that want only to protect and help their people >Instead you are stuck with an asshole who kills people for petty reasons using a super robot
>>33479670 >don't know that Alduin was their last shot
Except no. Because Alduin starts the cycle over again. All the knowledge on how to escape is lost and everyone starts over from scratch. This is the worst possible result for the Thalmor or any being that lives longer than a fruit fly.
You are literally shilling for a god that created a massive repeating concentration camp/lab where lesser spirits are used as guinea pigs in his own attempt to escape.
>No no, goy, you can't do that! only the chosen one, Lorkhan, can escape. The rest of us have to play by the rules!"
>>33479727 >Babylonians >Canaanites >not the same people They didn't call Cyrus "Zyklon C" the Canaanite Conqueror for nothing, anon. He came in, said their hanging ziggurat gardens were a shit, and mowed them the fuck down with his cavalry. The Hebrews thought we was the Messiah, he removed Canaanite so well.
I'm not talking about the reality that elves are the children of Auriel and humans are the children of Lorkhan and therefore they both are subgradients(emanations, in gnostic terms) of gods.
I'm talking about the actual Thalmor plan, which states "To kill Man is to reach Heaven." Thalmor want to erase mankind from existence so that nobody can mantle Lorkhan like Talos did. That way, they can undo the world. They become gods, while humans lose their individual identity and are absorbed into Lorkhan who no longer is the demiurge of any material universes.
That's the Thalmor theory, at least. How well it would actually work, however...
>>33479850 They were gods. and gods don't die permanently. The Tribunal did great works for the people of morrowind. They helped immensely. They care more about the people of morrowind than Tiber Septim or Azura.
I think the next game is probably going to be set on the summerset isles on a quest to destroy the thalmor inside-out.
In skyrim, all faction questlines will happen simultaneously a-la daggerfall, which means that Titus Mede will be dead and that the Psijic will be in the possesion of the eye of Magnus (and possibly intervene in the fight against the thalmor), but also the empire is going to be weak and politically divided, which could cause the Thalmor to break truce early and rush for a careless assault on the imperial city and several provinces.
Black arrows represent Dominion movement, Skyrim (blue) should come down on the imperial province through bruma and the colovian highlands after securing their borders, as to engage the weakened Thalmor in a surprise attack.
Red represent Imperial resistance against the thalmor, obviously most will rush to fortify the Imperial city itself, and the thalmor will be parked against the imperials there for a little while, if the nords are timely, they'll be joined by whatever's left of the the other cities and towns in the province in their push to pin the thalmor down against their own siege.
Darker blue/purple/whaterver represents the posibility of cooperation between High Rock, Skyrim and/or Hammerfel. Since High Rock will still be part of the empire, they will have to make a choise, Either they bolster the ranks/provide funds and resources to armies fighting the Thalmor or just shut themselves in and hope for the best. I can see some political turmoil between those who would want to help the empire and those who see their Imperial duty gone as they are cut off from it border-wise.
Hammerfell would likely move in force to the Isles and raid Thalmor docks, however I see them also going for both Kvatch and Anvil [cont.]
Exactly. The Tribunal became real gods because they became eternal. They made a lasting impact on the cosmology. Disabling the Heart of Lorkhan made them lose their powers, and makes their mortal form die out. Since their mortal form is the impetus of their divine form's actions, their divine form also loses its ability to make further acts as a god that have not already been set up by fate.
But even though their mortal form dies, they still have places reserved in the Aether that would have to be removed through a separate Event to kill them permanently.
Otherwise, someone with access to godhood and the proper level of CHIM could just mantle one of them back into the material world.
>>33479901 Where the fuck does it ever say restart? Is that some shit the Greybeards say? And what cycle are you talking about? Going all the way back to the void? Because unless that's what you mean (and the towers don't have that power) you'd only be resetting things to before the creation of Mundus. The gods would thus be unaffected and have no reason to make the same mistake twice
Alduin can eat gods too. But gods are powerful enough emanations of the Godhead that they can retain their memories between kalpas.
Mortals, on the other hand, get wiped. In fact, mortal species are bizarrely different between kalpas, based on which gods are most involved in creating the mortal world that time around.
It IS possible for mortals to retain their forms between kalpas, but they have to do really weird stuff and have really weird life cycles to do it. Sloads and Argonians have survived Alduin. Dreughs did to some extent, but came back as animals whereas before they were a sapient race.
>>33480080 >Not even sure what to make of the rest of your post. And you called me fuckwit. Before the mudshits came up from the south, the people of the Levant, Palestine, and Mesopotamia were the same. They organized in city states and later empires under the same monolithic culture. That's what I was referring to with the Neo-Assyrian Empire thing.
The monotheistic nomad Hebrews of Sinai came up out of the desert and conquered the southern bunch of the Semitic people and absorbed and scattered the Canaanite Phoenicians, and they later became Carthaginians. But original Semitic peoples of the Levant, Palestine, and Mesopotamia are all of the same stock. Subjugated by almost every empire that has been on the planet, they are now almost indistinguishable from the mudshits.
>>33480043 >>33480043 Hammerfell would want to annex both cities as they see the empire gone, If the nords and redguards become allies, the natural movement for hammerfell would be to cut Thalmor reinforcements to mainland completely by hitting them at home and cutting the fastest sea-route.
Im counting that the Redguards can actually cut off Altmer airships too, which Im sure they can.
Meanwhile we have turmoil in both Valenwood and Elsweyr, They're part of the dominion, but both provinces have important dissidence within and they'll strike at Dominion structure there and have their own mini-civil war, the thalmor will demand support from both and they'll likely just get small ammounts of soldiers but very little supplies.
This leaves us only with the Argonians and the Dunmer, anyone have any imput on those?
>>33479459 This is so wrong... Alduin exists to create kalpas. Thalmor want to destroy time itself and essentially end all possibility for life cause they think it will let them be in heaven without those filthy men. It's literally like the Muslims who blow themselves up to go to heaven where there are no Jews
>>33480390 Fuck numidium, let's build Akulakhan. Talos has a physical celestial form, so if he is an incarnation of Lorkhan it could be used to power Akulakhan. We just gotta find some dwarves, they could totally make it happen.
Or just seriously break the dragon and grab the Heart before it is destroyed.
>>33480436 I know what the kalpas are but I thought it was a player theory. Are they actually canon? Regardless, there is no way the Thalmor know (the only people who might would be Psijic Monks) so they wouldn't know that's what Alduin actually does
>>33480693 If based Yagrum survived, there may be others, still wandering plains of oblivion. Maybe they had colonies or research stations on other Oblivion planes? Hell, maybe they found a derelict battlespire in oblivion and fixed that shit up.
Also, based Divayth Fyr did find a cure for corprus, so maybe he cured Yagrum? I don't know if thats canon though.
>>33480664 The archaeological record disagrees with you. Maybe you're thinking of the Hittite invaders? All of the Mesopotamian peoples used the same writing, had the same architecture, and we absorbed and easily integrated in the various empires to come out of the various city-states of the region before they were steamrolled by Zyklon C himself.
Calling me fuckwit really backs up your point with the much needed emotional touch. Its almost as if you're taking a historical debate personally.
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>>33480474 Dunmer are the most natural Allies of the Nords. The Nords gave them Solstheim after Red Mountain exploded, and let their refugees into Skyrim. The Nords along with the Redguards also helped to push most Argonian forces out of central Morrowind .
Hemmerfell along with Skyrim and Morrowind would be unstoppable.
>>33480879 >All of the Mesopotamian peoples used the same writing
Yes, but the Levant isn't in mesopotamia now is it?
>had the same architecture
Show me a single ziggurat in the Levant.
Again, you're just wrong fuckwit. If you knew anything about archaeology you would know that the spoken and written languages were different and the material culture, namely pottery styles (which is incredibly important in archaeology) are completely different. I'm calling you fuckwit because this is 4chan, sack up or gtfo if it triggers you.
>>33480896 Divayth is like 6000 years old or some shit, and his "daughters" are really his clones so they've got some time ahead of them too. Divayth keeps portals to oblivion/battlespires handy for no particular reason, so I'm going to choose to believe they're out their still.
>>33481189 The capital is Blacklight but the former lands of Mournhold are still within Morrowind, they switched capitals because the Argonians sacked Mournhold but they didn't hold it.
>Around a year later, Mournhold was sacked by the invading Argonians of Black Marsh and Morrowind's capital was moved to Blacklight. Mournhold was still being rebuilt in 4E 201, a shadow of its former self. Mournhold Temple was renovated and the last traces of Almalexia were removed. Plaza Brindisi Dorom now houses a large building House Indoril uses to accommodate the new priests and pilgrims who come to pay their respects at the temple.
>>33481189 >>33481253 Argonians raided the South, but only occupied some land pushing their border more North. Most of mainland Morrowind was affected, but only traditional Argonian lands were rclaimed
>>33481047 >Dunmer are the most natural Allies of the Nords
I wouldn't put it like that, but you're right, if by some miracle, the Dunmer can be persuaded into helping they would make a pretty legendary Removal of the Altmer, which would drive them back to Summerset.
Once they fall back, they'll have to worry about defending themselves from a unified Dunmer-Redguard-Nord offense on Alinor.
Then it's a matter of wating for Ulfric to crown himself emperor over the "great victory of mankind against the Thalmor menace" He'll be hailed as a hero upon his return to the Imperial city.
The new Tamrielic empire would most likely just be Skryim+ downsized Cyrodiil for a while and then Ulfric will push for High Rock.
>>33481378 Nope, if you are a Christian or a Jew living right now it's possible to go to Muslim heaven.
As well as this Muslims believe that up until shortly before Muhammad Christians and Jews were Muslms but the teachings gradually got corrupted,
>Verily, those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in Allaah and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.”
>>33481345 I highly doubt, and am almost positive, House Telvanni stand almost unphased. We saw that the College of Winterhold was left virtually untouched while Winterhold, once a mighty city, fell around it. The Telvanni islands are brimming with powerful mages and could easily have protected themselves.
This is further planted by Neloth being found on Solstheim and basically promising he'd induct you a member once he got back to Morrowind when he was finished. Neloth, a high ranking member, speaks nothing bad happening and only good things of the Telvanni's place.
I'm 100% House Telvanni is unphased. The only reason they're not the head of the Council is because most of their members don't give a shit.
>>33481477 As much as I would love a Redguard-Nord-Dunmar confederacy i realize that wont happen as long as Ulfric is HIgh King of Skyrim. Our only hope is for the Dragonborn to realize Ulfric a shit, kill him and become High King himself. Then we can pursue this most logical course of action.
Motherfuckers had them riled up like an anrgy ninja ant swarm... if the Hist didn't shoot lasers or some shit at their shroom towers then they probably just piled body on body until the wizards were out of magicka.
Think those zombies from the World War Z, but sapient and tool using.
>>33481769 During the oblivion crisis yeah because that was crucial to the hist's survival.
Aside from stuff that actually concerns them the hist couldn't care less about whatever warmongering bullshit the Argonians get caught up in, hence why they never helped them out when they were getting enslaved.
>>33481195 THANKS FAGGOTS YOU'VE DOOMED ALL MEN! GREAT JOB! YOU GET TO FUCK OFF IN YOUR LITTLE NORD CIRCLEJERK FOR A MONTH OR TWO BEFORE THE FUCKING THALMOR COME IN AND INCINERATE YOUR SHITHIVE BRAINS OBLIVION. AND THEN YOU KNOW WHAT COMES NEXT? WHAT FUCKING COMES NEXT IS THE END OF MANKIND THAT'S WHAT. THE THALMOR FUCKING SCREW OVER THE ENTIRE DREAM BECAUSE THEY'RE TOO AFRAID TO BE WITHOUT DADDY, EVEN THOUGH DADDY IS DEAD NOW CAUSE THEY GOT TO FUCKING EXIST IN THE FIRST PLACE THANKS TO LORKHAN (YOU'RE FUCKING WELCOME FAGGOTS). AND THEN AURBIS CAN FUCK OFF INTO NOTHINGNESS FOREVER. THE FUCKING DREAM? NOPE THAT'S BASICALLY DONE AND THE GODHEAD IS LEFT WITH AN ETERNITY OF ALDMERI SPOOGESTAIN ALL OVER AURBIS. HOW'S THAT FOR A REMEMBRANCE OF YOUR FUCKING WIFE, ANU? I BET THIS IS WHY YOU BECAME AMARANTH! FUCKING THALMOR CUNTS ARE SO FUCKING RETARDED IT'S NOT EVEN FUNNY. BUT AT LEAST THEY AREN'T AS RETARDED AS THE FUCKING STORMCLOAKS. SERIOUSLY. YOUR FUCKING GOD ESSENTIALLY COMES BACK TO DELIVER YOU INTO A NEW AGE BY KILLING THE ASSHOLE WHO DECIDED TO END THE CREATION OF MORE KALPAS BECAUSE ALDUIN DECIDED TO FUCK OFF AND QUIT HIS FUCKING JOB, AND YOU GUYS FUCKING FALL FOR THE MOST BASIC OF THALMOR SCHEMES AND SHITFUCK YOURSELF INTO OBLIVION. NICE JOB, FUCKHATS.
>>33481830 It was vague on the Dreugh, but there was a Kingdom.
I can't remember, honestly. I have these days I randomly get super interested in a subject and spend hours pursuing it. It might have been in an Emperor's Guide to the Empire or one of the books detailing Ysgrammor. It's probably obscure, so I wouldn't be surprised if it were retconned.
>tfw they retconned Snow Whales (whales that fly around the Throat of the World)
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