>oldest sister married her college boyfriend >he makes over 160k now, six years out of college >they have a kid >sister has become stay home mom and gets baked every day while doing housework and the kid is in preschool fuck her easy life
>>32248744 >Estascy is way more harmless than weed that's total rubbish. MDMA is still a stimulant and carries the risks associated with that. it's also very possible to develop serotonin syndrome from overuse of MDMA. weed is a hell of a lot safer
>>32248335 there's a difference between "decriminalizing" and "legalizing"
I think weed, and possibly DMT and mushrooms (with very strict dosing guidelines) are as far as we should go with legalization, but we should decriminalize everything else, because even though you shouldn't be able to buy MDMA off of a shelf, sending people to prison for it seems counterproductive.
>>32249039 DMT and mushrooms should absolutely not be legalized before other drugs. I've used LSD, mushrooms, and DMT, and it's a lot easier to enter a bad trip with mushrooms/DMT (they're basically the same drug and give the same kind of effects, DMT is just shorter and more intense) than LSD. MDMA would be a fairly safe candidate for legalization, along with some lesser opiates. I'd love to be able to go to the store and pick up some poppy pods (which are already legal, but not for consuming). amphetamine also isn't too dangerous
>>32248335 Dumbass fucking kids. Worried about what should be legalized. So many thoughts , so many deep, numerous, limitless thoughts in the expanse of the human mind, and all you can come up with is, what should be legalized next? Lol! Fucking simpleton hippie.
>>32248335 HEMP. people don't seem to distinguish weed from hemp, hemp that can not be used as a drug and is extremely hand cost effective and green to manufacture goods with is illegal, primarily due to ignorance and lobbying
>>32249362 per capita of users, alcohol would be near the bottom with pot. Liquor is just commonly used. Only a complete idiot dies from alchohol poisoning or even drinking and driving (not counting pedestrians hit) Alchohol has never killed anyone. Idiots just kill themselves or worse innocent others. Same can be said about every drug. LEGALIZE IT ALL
>>32248826 If we lived in a perfect world all drugs would be legal but you have to take a class on each individual drug you can buy. At least psychedelics. You have to have a certain amount of respect for stuff like that.
>>32249598 Voluntarily chooses to drink, drinks an excessive amount, enough to kill oneself. ALCOHAL KILLED THEM. You vote democrat don't you? I decide to drive really fast and irresponsibly blindfolded and I hit and kill a kid. Cars kill people right? all those automobile death, something should be done about cars. Car didn't kill him you idiot I did. Cars are inamite objects. Fermented anything i just a liquid, and guns are just heaps of metal, they are incapable of any action. They are tools, not people you fucking moron.
>>32249561 >what is liver failure >what is drug interactions >what is non car alcohol related accidents Right, alcohol has never killed anyone and all meth is a miracle cure the drug companies don't want you to know about
>>32248335 Legalize everything. So finally a man on ecstasy can take a horse dick in his arse with his brother who is his husband while teaching his adopted son how 'degeneracy' was a word used to opress him. Ffs >slippery slope guys, its all over.
>>32249716 I don't know, wouldn't you say their mother killed all those people? I mean once you're born your death is inevitable. Everything else just speeds it up. Life is ultimately the cause of death.
>>32249751 >what is liver failure self caused. alcohol did not repeatedly force itself down the users throat >what is drug interactions Self caused, I have never had a drug interaction. Probably because I have never voluntarily used drugs. But feel free to believe its just the drugs being merciful to me. >what is non car alcohol related accidents Caused by the inebriated person not the alcohol itself. Unless a giant shipping crate full of booze fell on someone. even then I'd consider that human error
>>32249820 >So finally a man on ecstasy can take a horse dick in his arse with his brother who is his husband while teaching his adopted son how 'degeneracy' was a word used to opress him. There is literally nothing wrong with that.
>>32249866 >>32249923 I saw it, but it is a stupid comparison. The mother has no direct link to the child death. Whereas with anyone with any alcohol related death there is malevolence or negligence at the part of the intoxicated person, resulting in death. Seeing as alcohol is again an inanimate object, that people CHOOOSE to ingest. which is why blaming alcohol for the actions of those who abuse it, is not any more alcohols fault as 9/11 is at the fault of boeing
>>32250247 >moderation >product disables inhibition And that's the rub, while people who drink alcohol do so recklessly, the alcohol still alters their fucking behavior. It ISN'T just there fault. A minor warning label about driving a car or operating machinery or being pregnant isn't enough responsibility on the part of alcohol distributors. Cigarettes have death warnings stamped all over the shit.
And speaking of being pregnant, HOW ABOUT THAT FUCKING SHIT?
There are people that drink alcohol in the early stages of pregnancy before they even know they are pregnant causing long term damage to their future children. They DIDN'T know the risks and alcohol still fucks up or even kills their kid. FAS isn't a fucking joke.
>>32250163 article made me cringe. >By your metric the bartender is a murderer No a bartender serves alcohol does not consume it. bartenders are legally obligated to cut someone off at a certain point but at the end of the day they can't stop people from drinking. Do you believe that alcohol should be held criminally accountable and charged in a court of law? Intoxication CAN be used as a defense to turn murder into manslaughter, soley because it can remove intent. Do you believe the law should be changed so that people who voluntarily consume excessive amounts of alcohol should be immune from any criminal charges for anything they do?
>>32250454 I take it you have never dranken before?
As someone who drinks in moderation I can say it is extremely easily manageable. First of all prior to going out drinking I make sure I have transporation home, I will never even bring my car to my destination so it is not even an option. Then When I sense I drank enough I would stop. Now granted someone might miss that point fair enough. But believe it or not there is a long long way to go between falling over puking, and literally killing yourself. Alcohal related death is not "oops I drank to much" ITS holy fuck how in the living fuck did you drink that much so fast. Jesus. OR you drink a shit tonne on a daily basis again your a fucking idiot. AS for FAS fair enough but then if there is a chance you could be pregnant dont drink. But men, non sexually active women or even women who only participate in safe sex are probably fine so...
>>32250607 how the bar is a douche bag. This proves what?
>>32250641 >gambling >no great harm to others or society Um...no?
You know what, frankly I'd be okay with any and all of this shit if it were properly tracked and regulated. 2 drink a day limit with doctoral permission? Fine. Minimum amount of disposable income and no debts before gambling? Fine. Health checks for hookers and clients? Fine. Public nudity, but decency laws still observed? Fine. Bigamy post total rewriting of our tax code (okay that will never happen, but conceptually). Fine. P2P filesharing if you don't have a minimum amount of disposable income and no debt? Fine.
Drugs in a controlled environment with doctoral permission? Fine, but you won't get the doctoral permission for most drugs and those should still fucking be banned.
>>32250800 >As someone who drinks in moderation I can say it is extremely easily manageable. And everyone has the same alcohol tolerance and baseline self control as you, amirite?
>how the bar is a douche bag. This proves what? That the people distributing the poison have incentive to NOT cut people off before they become a danger to themselves or others. And trusting a bar is about as smart as trusting a cigarette company.
>>32249716 You realize one of the systems of severe alcohol withdraw is seizures and possibly death right? You can't go from being an alcoholic to clean instantly or you can actually die. Its actually a fairly dangerous drug considering how easy it is to acquire
>>32249475 Legalize them all. Anyone possessed of the sheer stupidity required to die of an overdose deserves exactly what they get.
It's like children who guzzle household chemicals. Oh, yeah, it's a real tragedy that Carsyn got under the sink and chugged a bottle of bleach because it smelled good. I'm sure he was going to grow up to cure cancer. How will the human race survive without this child genius?
>>32250912 ermmm I hate to burst your bubble but technically people killed people. War is defined as "a state of armed conflict between different nations or states or different groups within a nation or state." A lot of people die in war. But war does not infact kill people. War is just an english word to describe said armed conflicts. Similarly the guns didn't kill the participants. Do youu believe war crimes are at the fault of war itself not those who literally commit them?
>>32251044 I'm saying that even though it is a person's choice to consume alcohol, if they die as a result, the cause of death was them deciding to drink too much alcohol. Claiming that alcohol had nothing to do with the death is as silly as claiming it was 100% the alcohol's fault.
>>32250924 And everyone has the same alcohol tolerance nope but again, even a 100 pound girl with a slow metabolism don't go from tipsy to dead. But if you seriously can't handle it don't drink. self control as you, How is it alcohols fault some people don't have self control? Next it's peanuts fault people are allergic to them? >That the people distributing the poison have incentive to NOT cut people off before they become a danger to themselves or others actually you can lose your liquor license in a lot of countries and sates if you frequently overserve people this is a one off case. > And trusting a bar is about as smart as trusting a cigarette company. Agreed, and I don't trust cigarette companies, But I don't blame them that idiots take up smoking, anymore then I thank them for me not smoking.
>>32250940 Then don't become an alcoholic. Not alcohals fault. If you have an addictive personality then maybe its not for you.
>>32250982 No, Many large companies settle for the sake of not being all over the news for it. They probably figured the court case would be a lot of bad news, so they just bought them out. Happens all the time
>>32251353 Seriously, the government should have a website that lists the possible affects of all drugs, chemicals, etc. and just inform the public about the website and the effects. The choice of whether or not to use these chemicals or drugs should, firstly be informed, but secondly not be limited by the government.
>>32251353 >>We should not tell poeple what to put in their bodies and let them work out the consequences. I disagree somewhat. We SHOULD tell them what can happen to their body if they choose to abuse drugs, we SHOULD NOT have laws based on forcing people to conform to those ideas though. Let the businesses and people discourage drug abuse, it works way better than the government can ever hope to. Just look at cigarettes/tobacco usage
>>32251328 Indians and jews are the same disgusting swarthy Canaanite race they deserved to be exterminated and genocide just like jews the Holohoax never happened but may the young American boy happily trance over the graves of the dead Amerindians and may the young German boy happily trance over the grave of dead jews
>>32251486 Will it solve drug abuse? Fuck no. Will it create more drug abuse? Fuck no. Will it save billions of dollars spent in the war on drugs? yes Will it remove a serious culture of violent crime related to the illegal sale of narcotics? yes Will it help relieve the overpopulation of our prisons? yes.
Drug abuse is a health problem, not a criminal one. Prohibition does not work, for anything. Only reason not everyone does heroine is because most people want to stay the fuck away from it.
>>32251681 Yeah Pentobarbital should be definitely legal. However you can order it from Chinese labs if you pose as a research. Check out "The Final Exit". The book lists several legit Chinese sources.
>>32251682 >Will it remove a serious culture of violent crime related to the illegal sale of narcotics? Speaking as someone in meth country. Most meth heads make the shit for free instead of buying it from some Mexico affiliated dealer.
Most methheads also steal their cooking supplies and their homes are basically time bombs
Creating a legal vehicle to open up highly addictive and socially corrosive substances to a wider audience is not my idea of good move.
Fuck, look at all the deaths caused by drunk drivers and all the health problems caused by 2nd hand smoke.
The problem ISN'T just health problems vs gangs and less health problems. The problem is having the shit be illegal legitimately makes it more unpopular and some drugs that is worth every fucking cent.
Every drug? No, but some it'd be insane to legalize.
Also, having the shit be illegal cuts down on its strength (drug companies can afford to refine their shit better than drug dealers and don't have to worry about fuckers cutting it with other chemicals to make extra cash) which means that people on the shit will be even fucking stupider and harder to get off the shit..
Did I mention people on the shit are stupid and a danger to themselves or others.
And also it there is the actual cost. Money pouring out of communities and into corporations that contribute nothing but poison to society...you know, like what /pol/ thinks big pharma is ALREADY doing, but this would be real
>>32252070 if you think more people would do drugs because it is legal. Then you are presuming they are all idiots anyway. I for one would abstain regardless of legality. I don't see a problem. Legalizing every drug is liberty DOing everydrug is stupid the purpose of the law is not to shield stupid people from themselves. Even though it is clear they have found ways, to IDK break the law?
>>32248335 All substances should be leagal - the state has no buisness controling people like this. Fuck up people will fuck up - those that sort their shit out will sort their shit out - regardless of any drugs. Simple as...
>>32252070 The best way to keep people from manufacturing it in their homes it to create a legal, safe, supply from a trusted source that is cheaper or at the very least similar in price to the supplies used to make it yourself. If making it in their homes isn't economical they wont risk blowing their ass up to make it themselves. Pharmaceutical companies already make prescription versions of meth.
>>32252410 >I don't see a problem. >idiot tries meth because it is legal and he doesn't see the harm >6 months later idiot is stealing chemicals from my friend's family farm to make the shit for himself >6 months and 3 days later I'm attending my friend's father's funeral Sure, no problem, no problem at all
Meth country, they steal all their shit from local farmers because why buy chemicals you can take. Fuck you.
>>32252624 If there's a legal source for something people will almost always prefer it over an illegal source even if the price isn't necessarily lower. People don't like getting involved in illegal things.
>>32252755 >If there's a legal source for something people will almost always prefer it over an illegal source even if the price isn't necessarily lower. People don't like getting involved in illegal things. Yeah you can fucking buy the fucking chemicals they are stealing (like the fucking farmers do). Meth breeds criminals, plain and simple.
>>32252882 But most people wont steal the chemicals or try to buy it off of the people who are stealing those chemicals they'll prefer to buy it from a shop that sells it legally. If there's no people to buy your backyard meth then you'll probably stop making it eventually.
>>32253054 >eventually disappear and people No, the cause is scum bags not drugs... leagal supply would abate alot of the petty stealing. Decrimilize is not to reduce incaceration rates but because it is not the right of anyone else to impose themselves on something that is purly personal.
The theft is not purly personal... I know many "druggies" that don't steal, have jobs and function perfictly well in society.
Part of the issue is that society outcasts drug users so they end up in a us and them place and cant reach out and join in most of societys games... few pints after work anon? - na I'm gonna go home and hit the chems - becasue it is not possible to have a pint and a line in public.
>>32253473 >No, the cause is scum bags not drugs drugs turn idiots into scumbags
>legal supply would abate a lot of the petty stealing. I live in meth country, dozens of labs get buster per year in my fucking county alone. And they aren't even that fucking hard to find.
Buying drugs vs stealing the supplies to make the drugs, most people still choose stealing the supplies to make drugs.
Your argument is but they wouldn't do that if it was legal, but buying them is still less of a fucking crime with less risk of getting caught or shot by a redneck and most people still just make the shit themselves.
>Part of the issue is that society outcasts drug users I don't view that as an issue. I view that as an appropriate response. Have you ever seen a meth head? They're like if people chose to get leprosy.
Marijuana has been proven to cause schizophrenia. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2892048
Smoking cannabis increases risk of depression in the case of genetic vulnerability http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/10/111010074853.htm
Study finds brain changes in young marijuana users http://www.bostonglobe.com/lifestyle/health-wellness/2014/04/15/casual-marijuana-use-creates-brain-changes-new-report-shows/X1cN8A7h5pOVJkeYkXTXlJ/story.html
Cannabis use changes the size and shape of sperm, potentially affecting male fertility. http://sciencealert.com.au/news/20140606-25631.html
Marijuana Use and Risk of Lung Cancer http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23846283/
Persistent Cannabis Users Show Neuropsychological Decline from Childhood to Midlife http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2012/08/22/1206820109.short
Review of the Validity and Significance of Cannabis Withdrawal Syndrome http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/article.aspx?articleid=177137#SEC6
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lol just saw N.o. 8 - canibis v alcohole while driving... I know there is no debate - canibis while driving will be no where near as bad as alcohole... not even comparible.... a joke.... made by lightweights...
>>32258884 Lets play a game anon Lets take americas chosen "Drugs" and lets be honest they're drugs and compare them to marijuana Alcohol- Tobacco- Coffee- Energy drinks- (I think there might be some bull semen in some of those) Prescription drugs- (pick one anyone, from anti-depressant to pain killer) Now take there side effects, and put them side by side marijuana "Supposed" harmful side effects Now kindly fuckoff back to your lobbying career, because if you're not getting paid to do this...fuck man are you pathetic.
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