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PESHMERGAH FORTIFY KIRKUK
ISIS ATTACK SOUTHERN SHIA TERRITORY
ISIS UNITING OTHER SUNNI ANTI-GOVERNMENT FORCES
IRAN DISPATCHES ADVISERS
USA STILL ON SIDELINES

Arash Karami @thekarami 19m

ISIS kilometers away from Askari Shrine, one of most venerated Shia places that started 2006 civil war when attacked. http://aje.me/SCcnlO

Phillip Smyth @PhillipSmyth 1h

Recall Badr MP Qassem al-Araji who met w IRGC's Suleimani?He posted this-says ready to fight ISIS #HizballahCavalcade pic.twitter.com/YnoMqaEjcB
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1st for John McCain would have stopped this
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First for Persian dominated Middle East.
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Countdown until Chechens, Balkans, europids, gingers and Malays become new Turks and reestablish the Caliphate?

ISIS is looking to expand operation to Indonesia, with her 200mil muslim
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>>31098136
will be weird to see USA and Iran on the same battlefield on the same side
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>if you include the first gulf war we've been dealing with iraq's shit for the last 25 years
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obama is useless
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>>31098089
The prophecy was true.
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>>31098169
it will take a while, the nation-state system established by western imperialists and in line with western ideology is a bulwark against Islamic state forming, as it was intended.
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>>31098204
what would you want him to do?

It's really Maliki that's to blame, he alienated Sunnis
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>>31098174
We helped them fight the Taliban in Afghanistan.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_uprising_in_Herat
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>>31098169
>ISIL getting their shit rekt so hard by Peshmerga they run to Indonesia
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Assad was the one who started this
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>>31098089
>USA STILL ON SIDELINES

We'd only dig the hole we already dug even deeper.
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>>31098199
We're the world police, it's our job
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Reminder that protestantism and it's sects are heresy
Reminder that mainstream catholicism is heresy
Reminder that Sedevacantism is the truth
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>>31098216

125x100
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>>31098283
you fool, we must put boots on the ground now

the iraqi people will greet us as liberators
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Daily reminder that the Jews support Saudi Arabia and that's who funds these groups.
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>>31098271
drop some bombs, its the least he can do. the weapons we're sending are useless when the iraqi army flees.
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Is Baghdad still standing?
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>>31098089

any information on whether or not General Ginger is behind this or assisting them?
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>>31098199
and you can go back to the Iran-Iraq war where we fed Saddam all he needed to try and destroy Iran.

We even fed him reconnaissance information which he used to gas the Iranians. Yes, that's right, we helped Saddam use chemical weapons against the Iranians.

The Iranians were forbidden to use such weapons by a ruling of Khomeini.
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History is made right before our eyes /pol/

Don't ever forget this sight since it will be remembered for a long time, this is probably the greatest schism in islamic history since the split of Sunni and Shia.
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>>31098355
Yeah it is. Its unlikely the people there will just roll over there since they are Shiites.
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>>31098305

You mean the Orthodox Church in communion with the Patriarch of Constantinople and that it is the wish hope and prayer of every true Christian to have Constantinople liberated from the kebab, by sword, by foot, or by miracle.
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>>31098383
>this is probably the greatest schism in islamic history since the split of Sunni and Shia.

This is just a continuation of that conflict in many, many ways.
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General Questions
1. Is Maliki and the ISF capable or trustworthy? For the US? For Iran?
2.In what eventuality will the non-warlord leadership (Sunni (no moderate names stand out) in the case of ISIS) come to the negotiating table?
3. Is Kurdistan viable?

General Armchair-ing following from the events as I currently see them:
1. Fuck coalitions. Arm and finance the hell out of an independent Kurdish state.
2. Let Maliki, Assad, and friends & the Sunni, and terrorists deplete the cancerous region of its unemployable glut of millennials and the last of its oil money.
3. Prioritize Ukraine.
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>>31098411
>isis flies into baghdad
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>>31098355
Yes ISIL attacks on Samarra have been repelled so far.
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>>31098430
Yeah but stuff was still pretty calm until the recent years.
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Senator Lindsey Graham says "without some kind of intervention, Baghdad will fall." He's advocating for US airstrikes to stop the ISIS advance in Iraq
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>>31098454
>>31098383
yes, I think if America does nothing that this could become genocidal.
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>>31098429
My Nigga
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Am I the only one that thinks this is fucking huge?

Like shit, we're witnessing fucking countries tumbling down a new caliphate forming.

This is trascendental, add this to the Ukraine happenings and the increasing South China Sea and you have very "interesting" decades coming up.

Where will this all end?
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>>31098431

Shia are taking over Mesopotamia, the Sunni are going to be forced to apostatize, flee to Saudi Arabia, or fucking die.
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>>31098525
no fag

only you think its huge, that's why this isn't front page on CNN and reuters and every single news outlet
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>>31098474
They can't do anything without boots on the ground. Iraq is lost. Look for Americans to start fleeing that massive base they built in Baghdad soon.
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>>31098431
1. Maliki has shown himself to not be much of a bridge builder, he's been sectarian in a lot of ways. The army has not been able to re-take Fallujah for over six months, to give you an idea of their capabilities.
2. sunnis have been willing to come to the table but Maliki has ignored them, exacerbating this whole thing
3. Kurdistan is very viable, it's economically strong and well defended.
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>>31098525
You are the only one
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>>31098525
what you're seeing is the retreat of American empire. Al Qaeda managed to draw the dragon from its lair and now it's exhausted. Now Russia and China and all variety of forces in the Middle East are seizing the opportunity.
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Crofag here. We held the Ottomans for 5 fucking hundred years. Anyone caring about their turf can - like the Kurds do with ISIS. Kudos to Kurds!

The only real danger is letting extremist faggots reside in EU. Kick them out forchrissakes. Nobody needs that garbage reproducing inside Europe's borders. What the fuck did we defend Europe against? To see this shit all over the place now? Grow some balls.
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>>31098429
>by miracle
>muh gawd is gunn cast some magikal spell that makes all da maslams leave da city
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Hezbollah will save us all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYOyyjxsBG0&index=33&list=PLF3A0DF6CAB64DDF2
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>>31098616
>calls other extremists
>only a few years away from genociding your neighbors
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Anyone know about how the big oil corporations that are in Iraq are reacting to this?
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i think iraq and the entire mid east is going to split. 100 years after we first fucked up the place. it was bound to happen sometime. the crazies will get their caliphate, the kurds will get a homeland out of iraq and syria will probably fracture into a thousand pieces. peace in our time
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ISIS is vastly overrated. even rebels in syria kicked them out of aleppo.
they are looking huge now as no iraqi men wants to die for the puppet government.
I'll be impressed only if they manage to get kerkuk or baghdad
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>>31098536
That's not true. Sunni aren't going anywhere and no side is winning or can "win." Any endgame other than a negotiated peace with proportional power-sharing and/or new borders isn't going to work.
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>>31098684
Power-sharing didn't work. They tried that.
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This is the end of Christanity and Christians in Iraq.
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Fucking airstrike these animals, rain hell on them, watch them scurry and scatter.
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So greater Iran/Iraq war #2 when ?
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>>31098672
The Islamic state will stretch from the mediterranean sea to indonesia
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If the jews are funding ISIS then why would they be attacking the Jewish puppet government in Iraq?
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>>31098746
jerk off to your dreams, go on
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>>31098727
The Iraqi Airforce is practically non-existent, America saw to that.
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>>31098721
no that was a Shia-dominated government

power-sharing like Lebanon is the only thing that can work

But Iran wants to control the state so that may not happen
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>>31098669
they are raising prises
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>>31098758
In order to provide an air defenceless corridor from israel to iran
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>>31098758
They aren't, /pol/ will see jews behind everything.
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>>31098724
> end of Christanity and Christians in Iraq

"This is"?

You're kidding, right?

They're already wiped out.
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>>31098622

The power of God makes all things possible
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>>31098758

The government in Iraq is Shia and has close ties with Iran. The only reason this insurgency didn't happen sooner was we were bribing Sunnis into playing nice.
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>>31098734
We stomped Iraq down last time when they had one of the strongest militaries in the world with many other nations backing them.
This time the Shias in Iraq will help us remove salafi terrorists.
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>>31098746

>implying that the sunis and the shiites will ever work together
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>>31098746
it's inevitable

Islam isn't going anywhere
the norm over the last 1400 years has been Islamic caliphate
Once the foreign institutions are wiped clean, a new Caliphate is inevitable


The problem with Arab Nationalism is that it could never unify all the people, it was ambivalent or hostile towards Islam.
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A jewish insurgent group attacking muslims again

whats new
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Both Iran and Israel welcome this. No one wants to fight a war on their own turf but if Iran and Israel can fight each other on Iraqi ground they will.
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>>31098847
hey why don't you guys stop using Iraq as a puppet state and enable them to have power sharing?
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>>31098684

Unless the US gets involved and the Russians stop supplying the Syrian government, this is going to be a massive pincer when Iran throws its weight into the matter.
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I doubt they will attack Baghdad if they were so well organized up until now. It would make more sense to surround it, cut off electricity, water and lay siege. Occupy the airports so no one can get in to help or out to flee. And then lure the enemy to their occupied cities where they can ambush them. The ISIS scum is vulnerable in the open against any armory or air support. Iran would kick their ass in this regard in like a day.
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A reasonable thing the US could be doing to halt ISIS is to destroy US made equipment they have seized, like these artillery pieces.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgRwrFqDFy0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K5S5D_hXnA

Yeah, it is going to look bad and be bad if these get employed on targets in Baghdad or Kirkuk. And the US military has a strong presence in Qatar at Al Udeid Air Base and could easily run missions from there, or even Kuwait or Jordan with drones.
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>>31098847
you didnt stomp shit bro, it was stalemate straight out of ww1
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And we got called surrender monkeys for not participating in this shit
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>>31098847
you did a successful defense, and then Khomeini tried to eliminate Saddam which prolonged the war by at least 5 years.
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>>31098847
>one of the strongest militaries in the world with many other nations backing them.

Are you talking about directly after the bloodiest conventional war in the second half of the twentieth century, or after ten years of sanctions, especially ANYTHING that could have a military purpose?

Neither time were they actually backed by any significant degree of outside support.
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>civilization ending where civilization began

its like poetry, it rhymes
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According to civilians in occupied areas, they're being ok, though. Providing water, electricity, and so on.

Anyone care to confirm this or venture any thoughts on it?

I'm really sceptical now of any time our governments calls anyone a 'terrorist' group, to be frank.
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>>31098922
We got territory out of it, we won.
In fact we wouldn't have stopped attacking Iraq but America decided to shoot down an Iranian civilian airliner.
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>>31098169
How are they going to get there?

I kind of hope they do capture it just for the shit storm.
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>>31098504
This already kinda becoming genocidal already, ISIL is breaking ancient statues in order to intimidate non-Muslims into submission.
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>>31098953
..what
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>>31098993
watch those videos they release of them doing drive by shootings on unarmed people
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/11/world/middleeast/exhausted-and-bereft-iraqi-soldiers-quit-fight.html

>The infantryman and his colleagues were already worn down after six months of fighting militants in western Iraq, men flush with weapons and zeal. Army commanders had no answer for the daily deadly ambushes and no broader strategy for prevailing in the longer war.

>“The state is weak,” Mr. Halbousi said. “This will be an endless battle.”

>After months of grinding conflict against a resurgent militant movement, the Iraqi Army is having its power blunted by a rise in desertions, turning the tide of the war and fragmenting an institution, trained and funded by the United States, that some hoped would provide Iraqis a common sense of citizenship.

>In a nation tearing apart along sectarian lines, Sunnis and Shiites have served together in the military. But the defections of Sunni soldiers threatened to deepen the growing perception among Iraq’s Sunnis that the military serves as an instrument of Shiite power, even while Shiites soldiers have also fled.
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>>31098672
I don't have a problem with a caliphate. This whole western thing of homogenising "democracy" needs to fuck off.
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>>31098912
What they really want is to incite a civil war between Shias and Sunnis. If that happens, Baghdad becomes a battleground and ISIS will have much more room to manoeuvre and plan their attack on the capital, probably moving through Sunni neighbourhoods in the outskirts. In that eventuality, it's possible they could launch a strong attack on the government HQ and deal some serious damage to the command structure.

Al Maliki is literally making the situation worse by offering to arm civilians. I don't know who is advising him, but they should be shot.
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We never learn.
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>>31098089
America! Fuck you! Get out!

>Leave

America! We're getting fucked! Give us Air Support

>Fuck you
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>>31098551
cnnidf plz
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>>31099046
I mean just think about it, ISIS is estimated at 7-10,000 men at most, yet they control huge areas.

1. they have to have more support from other Sunni forces
2. the Iraqi military must really, really be pathetically weak
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>>31099049
>I have no problem with returning to the middle ages
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/06/12/isis-just-stole-425-million-and-became-the-worlds-richest-terrorist-group/

top of the keks
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>>31098643
They did genocide the jews muslims and serbs during the wwII.
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pre-battle and battle ISIS pics:

http://justpaste.it/fty0
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>>31099090

That's because most of those huge areas consist of deserts
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>>31099003
no, you had to stop attacking Iraq because your economy was destroyed and the Iraqi military was more than capable of easily defending its territory.
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>>31099045
I don't know where to find them and I have an aversion to watching people being killed on film. I'll take your word for it, though.

So just unarmed people in the street? I know about the two cases of crucifixions and I know either them or others similar have been involved in beheadings in Syria.

So yeah, I'll accept those cases for balance. I'm still interested in the view from a civilian account I read earlier that they're being useful and setting up ordered systems.

Of course, this could just be for Sunnis which is entirely possible.

The civilian in question mentioned that "any man who gives up his weapon, no matter his background, is left alone". So either that's true or they're being partisan and not giving the whole story.

Like I say, I don't trust our governments one inch when it comes to releasing information about "terrorist" groups.
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>>31099049
I don't have a problem with a caliphate because it will make the job of wiping out the non-whites races far easier if they literally behave like animals.
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ConflictReporter @MiddleEast_BRK 2 min

#BREAKINGNEWS ISIS PARADES SEVERAL THOUSAND CAPTURED IRAQI SOLDIERS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0sa9ro4mZs
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>>31099003
if you say so.
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>>31098859

you realize Arab nationalism was generally the idea of Arab Christians. It was their last effort to avoid this Islamic chauvinism when the foreign powers left. The Arab Christians should have been working to put aside their own differences, Syriacs, Melkites, Hellenes, Maronites, Armenian, etc., establishing one place as the Christian Arab state and the doubling down on the Nationalism. But they honestly believed they could get the Muslims to play nice and focus on ethnicity and geography, not theology. It was a fatal error because Islam inherently does not believe in station and place. Islam is a militant universalist ideology and for every non-Christian Arab willing to be a nationalist, there was 9 doubling down on Islam, especially after the failures of the Arab Socialism to defeat Israel.
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>>31098919
They should just drone all the leftover US equipment then stay out of it.
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>>31099045
>>31098993
Those civilian are sunnis, of course they'll praise them for getting rid of Maliki army.

The drive by shooting was supposed to be targeted against Maliki officer.
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>>31098993
in Syria, ISIS moves in, are initially tolerant and then gradually impose Islamic restrictions.

>>31099131
yeah but they control many towns and such, and we are talking over vast areas of land.
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>>31099050
ISIL followers are happy as fuck about this because they believe this will the begining of a true secterian war where average Shia will want to kill the average Sunni and vice versa.

You Americans fucked up big time.
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>>31099102
Except some of these caliphates were wealthy, peaceful, engaged in and encouraged the sciences and so on.

Also, I don't live in one and likely never will so it's not like if they "return to the middle ages" it will ever affect me.

Peaceful caliphate sounds like a good place to go on holiday too though.
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ISIS right? Hmm.. Isis.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KSOMA3QBU0


So goyim, are you ready for a perfect storm?
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>>31099143
oh wow
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>>31099151
Iran was weak then. Didn't have nearly the firepower, technology and manpower it posses today. Today they can kick some serious ass.
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How big of a shitstorm would happen if it was actually known that ISIS is actually posting on 4chan.
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>>31098323

It's a prophecy for ants
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>>31098993
yeah. Check theguardian voice is free article. The ones hating ISIL are Shi'ites and policemen, ofc. The Mosulite love ISIL.
>>31099045
watch the subtitled movie, theyre all military or shiite militiamen or government agents. Not civilians.
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>>31099117
and in the recent war they genocided the ethnic Serbians in Croatia

>>31099141
ISIS is not inherently evil as many would like you to believe. They genuinely believe they are the good guys. They aren't to just murder people without some purpose. That's what Americans do.
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>>31099142
I think everyone has a right to be self-determining in whatever way they see fit. It was always a nonsense of sheer arrogance to dictate that the western way is the only way.

The real picture is a lot more nuanced and complex.
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>>31099143
Haha, if this is real, holy shit.
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>>31098893
>Iran's weight
I think it's overestimated. They have sugar in the gas tank and like Russia their only play is selling out to China (something that past the medium term (hooray for theocracy and military junta state) will be highly unpalatable).

I also don't see them doing this for northern Iraq. If they are implying they are (much like their support for Assad's reelection) it's probably an attempt at humor or manipulation.
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>>31099143

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YzRikfT_ips
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>>31099168
When are we going to get an Arab Christian state?
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>>31099040
The firts Iraq War (after the Kuait invasion) was also directly after the Iran-Iraq War, which is the bloodiest conventional interstate war since WW2.

Financial problems, along with Kuwaiti and Saudi oil dumping, specifically to prevent Saddam from rearming, were some of his motivations in invading.

Afterward, there were ten years of sanctions, especially focusing on anything that could be used or converted to military purposes.

Both wars with Iraq were with understrength and under-armed conscripts. They were impressive in size only while the people who could fight, (ie the republican guard and other elite units) melted away to create the core of the insurgency, and probably alot of the ISIS guys now.
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>>31099216
About as much of a shitstorm if it was found that white-supremacists are posting on 4ha.
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>>31099271
No, it's fake. It's really a gay pride parade.
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>>31099215
Im sure they learned some lessons, and I wouldnt underestimate their abilities in a regional conflict, but alot of bluster coming out of their revolutionary guard is just plain bullshit.
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>>31099283
Lebanon is it.
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>>31099303
>White Supremacists
>Relevant
How can anyone expect stormwiener to be taken seriously when you see shit like in Syria or Iraq.
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>>31099183
> tolerant and then gradually impose Islamic restrictions

Alright, good. Useful, thanks. I haven't paid attention to them specifically in Syria or anywhere else until the news yesterday.

>>31099175
> of course they'll praise them for getting rid of Maliki army

Fair enough. I agree. I suspect Maliki fucked up big time. This was always the problem though. Sunni populations under Shia control or the other way round - always a recipe for disaster unless one or the other leader is relatively secularly inclined.
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Israel plz nuke all kebab
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>>31099141
Collaborators bro. Alot of this shit should be highly targeted assassinations, if the ISIS know what they are doing and have decent discipline.
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Business Insider @businessinsider 15m

Hillary Clinton open to keeping U.S. troops in Afghanistan even longer http://read.bi/1lqoTQM
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>>31099248
Even the Al-Qaeda thought their methods were too extreme. You are retarded if you think the Americans are more "evil"
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>>31099270
>think everyone has a right to be self-determining in whatever way they see fit. It was always a nonsense of sheer arrogance to dictate that the western way is the only way

The European system is the best system It is the only way by which humanity may leave it's cradle and journey to the stars. Not Islam. Not African tribal shit. Only Western civilisation can let us ascend limitlessly. The resources of the world belong to Europeans, it is our birthright. We should not have to barter with a camel fucking sheikh to have what is ours by right. Some races and some civilisations do not deserve to exist. A few hundred million non-white dead would usher in an age of unprecedented human achievement.
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>>31099283
It's over, they are fucked and I mean seriously fucked.
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>>31099248
> ISIS is not inherently evil as many would like you to believe

I'm inclined to agree with the codicil of course that I think they're likely just people. Some good, some bad. We'll have to see. I won't buy any more propaganda though and it seems to me the press is going rampant with this "worse than al quaida" push. Which makes me suspicious at the very least.
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>>31099141
Another anon here, I've seen the video he's talking about and it's quite brutal, they do a night raid on homes, shoot two guys in the back of the head, cut another guys head off whilst he's blind folded, shoot civilians in the street, I'm talking emptying a magazine from an AK-47 into someone, emptying handgun magazines into some guys head, making a father and son dig their own grave and then shooting them both.

Blowing up Humvee's, mortar strikes, it's some sort of recruitment video but it's fucking brutal, near the end they have some Iraqi soldier crying and ordering him to say what happens to enemies of Islam, they don't show his execution but he gets killed.

They have this database called the Mujahideen Database, they check ID's of people after they've seized checkpoints, if they're people they want they drag them out of their cars and shoot them, they make them run like animals and then chase them down with a car with a mounted machine gun.

These ISIS people are brutal fucks.
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>>31099375
>Even the Al-Qaeda thought their methods were too extreme.
That's just western propaganda, you idiot.
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http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2014/06/iraq-extremists-mosul-american-invasion-legacy.html

Iraq’s collapse has been driven by three things. The first is the war in Syria, which has become, in its fourth bloody year, almost entirely sectarian, with the country’s majority-Sunni opposition hijacked by extremists from groups like ISIS and Jabhat al-Nusra, and by the more than seven thousand foreigners, many of them from the West, who have joined their ranks. The border between the two countries—three hundred miles long, most of it an empty stretch of desert—has been effectively erased, with ISIS and Nusra working both sides. As the moderates in Syria have been pushed aside, so too have their comrades in Iraq.

The second factor—probably the dominant one—is the policies of Nuri Al-Maliki, Iraq’s Prime Minister. Maliki is a militant sectarian to the core, and he had been fighting on behalf of Iraq’s long-suppressed Shiite majority for years before the Americans arrived, in 2003. Even after the Americans toppled Saddam, Maliki never stopped, taking a page—and aid and direction—from his ideological brethren across the border in Iran. When the Americans were on the ground in Iraq, they acted repeatedly to restrain Maliki, and the rest of Iraq’s Shiite leadership, from its most sectarian impulses. At first, they failed, and the civil war began in earnest in 2006. It took three years and hundreds of lives, but the American military succeeded in tamping down Iraq’s sectarian furies, not just with violence but also by forcing Maliki to accommodate Sunni demands. Time and again, American commanders have told me, they stepped in front of Maliki to stop him from acting brutally and arbitrarily toward Iraq’s Sunni minority. Then the Americans left, removing the last restraints on Maliki’s sectarian and authoritarian tendencies.
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>>31099235
> Check theguardian voice is free article

That's the article I read. And yeah, I found it very interesting. Like I say though, it could also be partisanship but if they're leaving Shia civilians alone, then I'm fine with them.
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>>31099143
Seriously?
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>>31099291
>Iran-Iraq War
This was the war I was referring to.
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>>31099375
You're fooling yourself if you believe Al Qaidah words. They're just jealous that ISIS have more monies.
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>>31099420
I liked the part where the CIA agent jabbed his sword through his passport
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>>31099445

Which brings us to the third reason. When the Americans invaded, in March, 2003, they destroyed the Iraqi state—its military, its bureaucracy, its police force, and most everything else that might hold a country together. They spent the next nine years trying to build a state to replace the one they crushed. By 2011, by any reasonable measure, the Americans had made a lot of headway but were not finished with the job. For many months, the Obama and Maliki governments talked about keeping a residual force of American troops in Iraq, who would act largely to train Iraq’s Army and to provide intelligence against Sunni insurgents. (They would almost certainly have been barred from fighting.) Those were important reasons to stay, but the most important went largely unstated: it was to continue to act as a restraint on Maliki’s sectarian impulses, at least until the Iraqi political system was strong enough to contain him on its own. The negotiations between Obama and Maliki fell apart, in no small measure because of a lack of engagement by the White House. Today, many Iraqis, including some close to Maliki, say that a small force of American soldiers—working in non-combat roles—would have provided a crucial stabilizing factor that is now missing from Iraq. Sami al-Askari, a Maliki confidant, told me for my article this spring, “If you had a few hundred here, not even a few thousand, they would be coöperating with you, and they would become your partners.” President Obama wanted the Americans to come home, and Maliki didn’t particularly want them to stay.

The trouble is, as the events of this week show, what the Americans left behind was an Iraqi state that was not able to stand on its own. What we built is now coming apart. This is the real legacy of America’s war in Iraq.
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>>31099143
>2 cars worth of Mujahidin
>thousands of shi'ites
ISIL confirmed for Rashidun army, the last time things like this happened with a dozen Arabs massacring a few tens of thousand Persians and flowing Euphrates with red blood and enslaving the other half.
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>>31099349
> if the ISIS know what they are doing and have decent discipline

Yeah, one hopes so. I don't like these jihadist or militant groups or whatever one wants to call them but I'm not the one affected by them. If they set up order and give average citizens of both sides a fairly peaceful life then more power to them. I couldn't give a fuck about "strategic interests" and all this other shit.
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>>31099472
How does that make ISIS any more credible?
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at least he is honest. a total fucking asshole, but honest. no pretending.

realDonaldTrump Donald J. Trump Iraq told us to get out, Iraq is now falling, and Iraq now wants us to come back! Don't do it unless we get the OIL, and I mean ALL OF IT! About four hours ago via Twitter for Android Favorite Retweet Reply
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Post your face of what would happen if america would come back and kick Insurgent but.
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>>31099143
Oh god, dont tell me they are going to kill them all
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>>31099143
Iraqi army confirmed for brave as lions.
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>>31099531
more than enough oil in his hair gel to keep the country running
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>>31099545
They really might
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>>31099545
They're already dead.
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>>31099513
I don't intend to make them credible.
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>>31099510
what gives you the idea ISIS is going to be fair to anyone? That video floating around has them just driveby shooting random people. GREAT bunch of guys to leave in charge eh?
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>>31099545
They probably will but what I don't get? There's supposedly 7 thousand Iraqi soldiers and a handful of the ISIS lot, what is actually stopping the Iraqi army from fighting then and there?

I don't get it? They're going to die if they do nothing, they might live if they fight...

Something is off about this, they may be signing up to join ISIS...
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>>31099474
He was a poor oppressed Kosovar Muslim who probably fought against those evil Nazi Serbs
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>To engage them at a time when Muslim armies were being outflanked in Syria was not a wise idea. Khalid selected a shorter route to Syria, an unconventional route passing through the Syrian Desert. He boldly marched his armies through the desert. It is recorded that his soldiers marched for two days without a single drop of water, before reaching a pre-decided water source at an oasis. Khalid thus entered Northern Syria and caught the Byzantines at their right flank. According to modern historians, it was this ingenious strategic maneuver of Khalid, his perilous march through the desert and appearing at the north-eastern front of the Byzantines while they were occupied in tackling the Muslim armies in Southern Syria, that unhinged the Byzantine defences in Syria

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_Syria
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>>31099510
>If they set up order and give average citizens of both sides a fairly peaceful life

This is kind of crucial for getting any for of political power to continue hostilities, and in terms of whatever negotiated settlement ends hostilities.

There are probably a core of army guys who understand the importance of discipline.

This doesn't mean I don't think they are brutal as fuck, just in a more calculated fashion than African tier 'armies'.
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>>31099143
>>31099275

They don't look like soldiers.
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>>31099578
That's just the ghetto version of drone strikes. No difference morally.
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>>31099588
We are getting our news source from a terrorist group after all. Who knows the real truth about who they are and how many there is.

It might just be civilians for all we know
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>>31099420
Alright. I agree that all sounds fucking brutal. Especially the crying guy. Man.

But ok, I want to be balanced. So without disputing that this IS brutal and I can't really get into the mindspace of someone who would shoot a crying human being, are these civilians or military/police targets?

I agree with you though but I just want to get a very clear complete picture as much as possible. I figure here is always the best place to ask.
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>>31099578
Those were actually iraqi military and police men that were deliberately hunted down. They let a university student free later in the video. Those were not random killings.
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>>31099613
>This doesn't mean I don't think they aren't brutal as fuck, just in a more calculated
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>>31099492
Yeah I'd like to see them try it in this day and age. We'll wipe them from the pages of history.
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>>31098551

Eric Cantor losing his seat is obviously more important u guiz
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>>31099635
>terrorist group
stop saying that
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>>31098174
Iran should be the natural ally of the usa, rather the pisreal, gutter, united arab degenerates and shitty arabia
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>>31099653
sure
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This is Vietnam all over again
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>>31099445
> more than seven thousand foreigners, many of them from the West

This really fucking pisses me off. I count this as "western interference". No different than my detesting western governments interfering.

But mainly, how are these silly fucks getting in there? I thought maybe Turkey and then jumping the border. Any ideas?

Why can't we stop flights to these countries or give conditional visas? So, if you go to Turkey or any bordering country, you have to be back by your visa cut off date or risk being imprisoned when you do return?
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>>31099689
thats what they are

they are a fraud of a religious extremist group. They for now are simply using religion as a guise to go around killing people and robbing banks at a mass scale
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>>31098608

> Now Russia and China and all variety of forces in the Middle East are seizing the opportunity.


>Russia as you know it is collapsing
>China will have some heavy revolts before 2025, will inevitably change the identity of China as we know it

Look, I'm not saying that the American superpower is dwindling, but we are more than a superpower, more of an Ultrapower as dumb as that sounds. We're returning to regional superpower status that we had after WW1
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>>31099650
Most of the people ISIS kills up-close-and-personal are:
-members of the military or security forces, sometimes dragged out of their homes or cars off duty, or executed after surrendering
-members of pro-government tribal militias
-government officials of some kind

They also kill thousands of random Shia civilians in daily car bomb and rocket attacks on Shia areas of Iraq. But that's just BOOM and its over. No up close and personal execution videos.
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ConflictReporter @MiddleEast_BRK 1 min

#BreakingReport #al_Qaim in #Anbar falls to #ISIS.
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>>31099650
>civilians or military/police targets

There isn't always a clear distinction between the two (irregular fighters etc). Also, collaborators and political figures are also frequently targeted. Whether or not they are 'legitimate targets', one can see the logic in their elimination.

They presumably AREN"T just random civilians. Maybe they are targeted on religious grounds, but I doubt they are slaughtering people wholesale like that.

Its worth remembering that Sunni opinion shifted toward the US in the form of the awakening councils after AQI excesses...

I am sure the people there do.
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>>31099697
I agree. And they would sell oil to the Americans and the US would have the biggest ally in the region. Who is by the way the most stable country in ME.
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>>31099739
Insurgents, Extremist militant group, terrorists, its all the same
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>>31099481
Really informative posts. Thanks.
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>>31099650
I would assume they are military and police targets. In the first part of the video there is two drive by's which are done, they spray a car with bullets and kill the driver/passengers, then they stick an AK-47 out the window as two men are walking down the street and they shoot one of the men and continue shooting him whilst he's on the ground, screaming Allahu ackbar.

It doesn't indicate if these people work for the military or the police, it's assumed they are just civilians.
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16.20 Ayad Allawi, the Iraqi prime minister from 2004 to 2005, has told the BBC's World at One the collapse of government control over Sunni Muslim areas was inevitable:

Quote All the ingredients for this problem have been fomenting for the last 13 years.

We have been ignoring the constitution, which talks about the liberty of the people. The oppression of peaceful demonstrators has been wide-ranging, sectarianism has been wide-ranging and what is happening was expected.

We don't know where the billions that have been spent on this one million man strong army has gone and now it has collapsed.

This is a complete and gross failure of the government that was installed by the international community and Iran.

We lose 1,000 people a week but the international community does not want to acknowledge this in Iraq.

Asked about outside intervention he said:

Quote This will add fuel to the fire.

Really the problem is that nobody cares what happens to Iraq. It wasn't just a problem of removing a tyrant. It was clear that there were no policies for after the invasion of Iraq.

My advice to the international community as well as the regional community is that they should refrain from interfering. It's not a matter of again creating a big war in Iraq.
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>>31099789
see
>>31099766

they kill military, police, collaborators, government people, etc by sword and gun

They kill masses of Shia randomly by bomb
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>>31099202

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED GOYIM
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>>31099707
>>31099481
Best posts in the thread
>captcha: alone
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>>31098363
>The Iranians were forbidden to use such weapons by a ruling of Khomeini.
In b4 the JIDF accuses the noble Persians of being reckless savages.
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>>31099721
The UK is already arresting those that return from Syria and locking them up.

There was talk about revoking their citizenships but Theresa May has been denied this by the HOOOOOOOMAN RIGHTS courts..

Most of the Western fighters are coming from Sweden, Britain, Germany, France, Norway and the USA.
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>>31099578
It's not my decision who gets left in charge. These people have been killing the shit out of each other for centuries. What a crying shame. I am one of those rare people who likes the Prophet, I've read books about him and everything and I think he would find this devastating.

They need peace. Whoever brings it, and with it, the chance of some degree of tolerance so EVERYONE can move forward and live a relatively peaceful life then sure, I would be delighted if they were in charge.

Also, as others have already mentioned to me, there's a lot more complexity to those drive-by videos than it first appears. Of course it's shit and nasty but it's a shit and nasty state of affairs on all sides. We've got more than enough blood on our hands too.
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>>31099789
Al-Qaeda disowned their organization because they were too brutal. AL-QAEDA.

They're pieces of shit.
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>>31099830
I was specifically talking about the executions.

I am well aware they use bomb and mortar attacks as a weapon of terror.
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>>31099707
>A couple similarities at most

stop comparing it to nam
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>>31099614

They don't look like soliders because they are civilians that decided to fight

this is even more fucked up
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>>31099588
Aren't they saying the Iraqi army is just fed up and exhausted, though? Maybe that's why.

It's likely a propaganda piece anyway. One hopes they let them live. I always think if I was a military commander, I'd threaten people with death but then let them live - I think that's more likely to get me loyalty than any other way. Hopefully whomever's in charge thinks this way too.
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>>31099613
> There are probably a core of army guys who understand the importance of discipline

I agree with your post and yeah, I hope so.
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>>31099928
this is a cliche and it's not accurate
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>>31099947
Tell me more about how you "accomplished your objectives"
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>>31098133
Repped
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can we pretty much agree now that leaving Saddam in power would have been a better option?
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>>31099830
Do these young terrorists even know how shitty their religion is?

Egypt, an entire country with a longstanding religious governance, has pretty much forced itself to go secular because they know how much it has sucked the past thousand years.


It's almost as if being an Islamic extremist is like being a fucking hipster douchebag.. with guns
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>>31099955
What where civilians doing in a military base?
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>>31099826
wow that's some really damning statements by Allawi
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>>31099993

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/al-qaeda-disavows-any-ties-with-radical-islamist-isis-group-in-syria-iraq/2014/02/03/2c9afc3a-8cef-11e3-98ab-fe5228217bd1_story.html
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So how long until ISIS is parading in a brigade of M1 Abrams?
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>>31099928
>Al-Qaeda disowned their organization because they were too brutal. AL-QAEDA.
>too brutal.

>implying it was about methods and not about the power struggle regarding who would be the preeminent Islamist organization in terms of Syria and Iraq.

I am not trying to make out that they are not brutal horrible people, but endless feel based faggotry only gets in the way of a clear rational assessment of what they are and what can be done about them.
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>>31099957
I doubt very much they'll let them live, these guys enjoy killing government/collaborator types too much.

It would also show the international stage that these fuckers mean srs bsns.
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>>31099947
>>31100018
>>31099291
>>31099445
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>>31100027
civilians can work in bases.. its not unheard of..
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>>31100018
Better for Iraqis, worse for Western oil companies and Israel.
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>>31098623
Fucking brain washed edgy assed hive minded scum prick.
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>>31099766
Alright, so largely "tactical" killings. Still shit but ok. My main concern is for civilians. So yeah, bombs - for fucks sake.

Also,
> executed after surrendering
Blurgh. Poor people.
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>>31098525
>Am I the only one that thinks this is fucking huge?
And it all started with an uneducated fruit pedlar who was robbed and humiliated by a dyke cop.
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>>31100018
Why do you think 1 million Brits marched against the war in Iraq?

We knew this would fucking happen, I said earlier my parents back in 1990 when the first gulf war was going on said that these animals need a dictator to keep them in line.

It's ridiculous and where the fuck is Tony Blair? A fucking middle east peace envoy and Europhile with blood on his hands... Why is he so quiet about this?
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>>31099739
you have to rob banks if you're not supported by foreign powers
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This just in from telegraph.co.uk:

17.36 There are reports that fighting between Iraqi and al-Qaeda forces taking place near al-Taji - 15 miles from Baghdad.
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>>31099697
should be, but Israel
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This is an "ideological publication from Department of Design and Editing and Publishing of the Islamic State"
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ar&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fjustpaste.it%2Ffq7t&edit-text=
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>>31098383
Muslim from Jordan
wont happen now
They're not that big, they dont really control those areas they took and once the army get its shit together they"ll disappear like if they were never their
And most people here doest like them, im saying this because I spent all this day and yesterday talking about them with friends, this includes iraqis and syrians since jordan is full of them

Btw im in the car infront of the gym
Here is a pic
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>>31099789
> Its worth remembering that Sunni opinion shifted toward the US in the form of the awakening councils after AQI excesses...

Mmm. Yeah, I agree. I think that whole country just wants some kind of stability. Anyone who wants a foothold is going to need to provide it - even minimally. Going after civilians will also likely pique the west's interests again and even though they have all sorts of hardware at their disposal, I don't think they'll want to risk air bombardments. That is if they don't bed down in civilian areas as a first priority though which might be another reason for ostensibly bringing order. We'll have to see I guess.
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>>31100089
Does the fire rise?

Yes, Mohamed, yes it does.
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>>31100109
>implying all non-state military groups don't loot their enemies spoils to add to their war chest.
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>>31100109
The central bank will cease to be the lender of last resort for the Iraqi currency, rending it completely worthless.

They do have gold, but in terms of paper money? They can't use it, it'll make nice fire fuel though.
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>>31100027
I assuming these guys are Shia, so if they don't fight or flee they're fucked?
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>>31100150
>once the army get its shit together
you haven't been paying attention have you?
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>>31099826

holy shit he actually seems reasonable and sensible

I see why we didn't want him to stay in power
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>>31100150
Thanks for proof and being a voice from the region bro. Take care.
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>>31099814
> It doesn't indicate if these people work for the military or the police, it's assumed they are just civilians

Yeah, this is what I'm most interested in. This kind of information. Or at least trying to work it out objectively. My sense is that it is the case that they're likely military/police targets or it could also be some sort of dispute. I don't know. I just hope it's not civilians. But yeah, it's shit anyway. But that's the kind of situation there is now.
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>>31100018
They would have been the first country to revolt during arab spring if they left him in power
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>>31100068
After the rope was secured, guards shouted various rebukes including "Muqtada! Muqtada! Muqtada!" in reference to Muqtada al-Sadr; Saddam repeated the name mockingly and rebuked the shouts stating, "Do you consider this bravery?" A Shi'a version of an Islamic prayer was also recited by some of those present in the room, an apparent sectarian insult against the Sunni Saddam. One observer told Saddam:

"Go to hell!"

Saddam replied,

"The hell that is Iraq?"

The trapdoor sprang.
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>>31100222
You should watch it, it's not nice but if you really want to know more about it, just man up and watch it. You'll become desensitised to it.
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>>31099283
My beautiful country of Lebanon used to be a safe haven from all the sharia Muslim shit, until it got fucked up from dipshit sell outs during the war.
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>>31100150
??? ????? ?? ?????

What happened with that ISIS-inspired uprising in Ma'an?
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>>31100150
>once the army get its shit together they"ll disappear like if they were never there

Like they did in Fallujah?
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>>31100237
the Arab Spring never happens without the Iraq war
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>>31099899
Very interesting, thanks.

I'm delighted they're arresting them. Are they coming straight from Syria do you know?

Also, usually I wouldn't say citizenship should be revoked but in this case I would wholeheartedly support that. I suppose the kicker is what to do with them then. Better to just give them really long, long, long jail sentences so they can muse on their fucktardery at leisure.

Also, all these countries - presumably Muslim kids, right?
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>>31098511

>any sect of islam
>not in "In need of crusade" tier

Come the fuck on.
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>>31099928
> believing ANYTHING al quaida says

Nigger pls.
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>>31098089
IRAN AND SYRIA: YOU HAVE WORK TO DO.
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>>31100243
He was reciting an Islamic creed while the trapdoor sprang. He did apparently say that before it though.
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>>31099143
I think the only thing they teach recruits in Iraqi Boot Camp is how to surrender.

Oh, and kill unarmed civilians.

Because that's all they do.
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>>31100253
blame the Israelis for driving the Palestinians out of their homeland

>>31100270
this. The Iraqi Army has been trying to dislodge ISIS from Fallujah and failed miserably. They simply don't have the willingness to die for this government.

>>31100275
what if the soldiers were going to say, a Christian nation to defeat a repressive regime? Like say Ukrainians going to fight Putin?
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>>31100275
>Are they coming straight from Syria do you know?
I think they're using Greece/Turkey route. The home office is actively watching all the people that fly over to that region.


http://www.channel4.com/news/syria-rebels-jihad-british-foreign-assad

Here this documentary explains it.
>Also, all these countries - presumably Muslim kids, right?

Most of them are from troubled regions in cities that's the common theme, they are converts and suffer from converts zeal.
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>>31100340
A better example would be the Spanish Civil War.
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Why is Obama always concerned
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>

President Obama has said "I don't rule anything out" for US responses to the crisis in Iraq, Reuters reports. He said he is " looking at all options in helping the Iraqi government face the growing insurgency".

The presdient was asked whether the US would consider drone strikes or any other direct or indirect action to counter Isis and jihadist groups. Reuters continues:

He said there will be short-term immediate actions that need to be done militarily in Iraq, and that his national security team is looking at all options. He said the United States is prepared to take military action when its national security interests are threatened.

U.S. GOING BACK IN!!!
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>>31100150
Good man. I'll keep you in my thoughts.
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Can somebody explain this to me, how is it possible that a country that US bombed less than decade ago is now begging to be re-bombed? I mean how can anything ever be this fucked up?
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>>31100386
he's skeptical of American empire. He's an old-fashioned leftist. I cheer his indecision, the American needed to end, it's not doing anyone any good any more.
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>>31100051
So much this.

>>31100054
> I doubt very much they'll let them live
Pfft. Sad, man.

I agree about the international stage but hopefully they'll be mindful of how the local civilian population views it. You kill collaborators etc with impunity, it's only a while before you start going after the innocent if they're felt to be "collaborating" too.
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>>31099202

Dumb sand niggers killing dumb sand niggers, and that's a fuck up?


You dense fuck, this is great. Let them wipe each other out, you brown children have such fun times in your sand boxes.
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President Obongo on helping Iraq:"I do not rule out anything"

http://rt.com/usa/165596-obama-iraq-statement-any-option/
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>>31100396
>>31100396
>He said there will be short-term immediate actions that need to be done militarily in Iraq, and that his national security team is looking at all options. He said the United States is prepared to take military action when its national security interests are threatened.
USA will never learn.


>>31100412
anything is possible when George W. Bush is running things
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>>31100424
Brown people killing each other means more refugees flooding into Europe.
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>>31100396
>shit going on in another country
>this is threat to american freedom
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Jasmine Coleman @jasminecoleman 14m

"If #ISIS can hold Mosul + consolidate presence..it'd be the most significant act by a jihadist group since 9/11" says @BowenBBC #Iraq

gordon horspool @slicedtomatoes 29m

@georgegalloway @r4 Jeremybowen says the invasion of Iraq was the biggest recruiting agent for jihadists
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>>31100396
How long until an ISIS terrorist attack on Americans?

I give it a few months.
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>>31100150
Were most of the people you spoke to Shia, though?

Also, like the others said, thanks for being eyes on the ground and take care of yourself.
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This link contains a brief first hand account from a Kurdish businessman in Kirkuk, discussing the deployment of the peshmerga around the city

http://eaworldview.com/2014/06/iraq-developing-far-will-insurgents-advance/
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How can a terrorist organization take over a country in less than a week? I mean, that doesn't make any fucking sense. Is the Iraqi army really that pathetic?
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>>31100473
National interests = Multinational Corporate interests
Obama is a puppet.
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>>31100515

it's been happening for months
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>>31100473
America is the rightful world police
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>>31100418
Groups that engage in wholesale slaughter tend to lose support.

So to the extent that they kill civillians, they do it using explosives and as a terror-spectacle, while also making sure they target 'enemy' groups (read Shia).
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This is getting 2spooky

16.55 JM Berger, an American expert on al-Qaeda at Infowire, commenting on reports that ISIS stole $450 million from the central bank in Mosu, has said:

ISIS now has more money than Osama bin Laden ever did - not counting ISIS's previous bankroll and the fundraising bonanza that its conquest of Mosul is likely to produce.

ISIS is now arguably in a better position to bankroll global terrorism than al-Qaeda ever was.

>Isis is now stronger than Al Qaeda ever was
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>>31100243
I thought that was awful. The whole thing. Being filmed and everything. I never liked that fucker but I detest anything like that more.
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>>31100515
It's a Sunni/Shia civil war, that's all it ever was. ISIS is just the vanguard, how can the Iraqi army fight it's own people?
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>>31100386
concerned you say...
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>>31100515
Because the people in charge of defending it lives fucking suck and they don't give a shit about "their country."
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>>31100515
think hard dumbass, iraq is divided into three major regions, kurd, sunni, shia.
The government of Iraq is shia and oppresses the sunni region, isis is sunni, the sunni region has had a bone to pick with the shia before isis was there.
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>>31100248
Oh God, no. I can't. If I come across it, maybe I'll change my mind at the time. I know, I know. I'm a pussy.
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>>31100537
no, they have no legitimacy
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>>31098919
Is that an American 155mm artillery piece?
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>>31100574
At least his head didn't pop off like that other poor bastard.
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>>31100571
>Central bank of Iraq drops the dinar in this crisis
>Money is worthless on the international stage
If their central bank has any sense they'd do this to solve that problem.
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>>31100515
because they aren't just a terrorist group, whatever that is

they are highly organized

Al-Bagdahdi, their leader, is a military genius
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>>31100584
Where are the reports of the Shia attacking the Sunni?
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>>31100253
> My beautiful country of Lebanon

I remember the war in the 80s. I was just a kid but I remember the news footage. Almost every night. The one most vividly was of kids running down an alley way to get water and risking being shot by snipers.

Also, my mother went there a lot as a child. Back in the 50s. They used to call Beirut the "Paris of the east" apparently. She told me it was very beautiful. They used to go on holiday all the time.

Sad, sad, sad.
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>>31100641
you haven't been paying close enough attention. Maliki is doing a political crackdown on Sunnis.
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>>31100641
Al-Maliki is already arming Shia militias to defend Baghdad, only a matter of time before the Sunnis start arming in response and the shooting begins.
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>>31100584
They stop being your own people when they march armed towards baghdad, they become the your enemies wanting to topple the state and insert shariah law into Iraqi culture.
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>>31099707
>They won't come back even if we offered them candy.
top
kek
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>>31100340
> going to say, a Christian nation to defeat a repressive regime

Well, I am a Christian so no, I would not go and fight a Christian war somewhere else. What if civilians get killed by the people I'm supposed to be supporting?

I will defend where I am but I will always do so because I needed to defend it and for no other reason.
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>>31099653
>ISIS.
>Letting a college student go.
Yeah, they don't have such a good track record with students, though.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-27746048
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>>31100634
>you can actually just instantly render a currency worthless

There would have to be a changeover period where you exchanged dinars for New Dinars or whatever. Sure you could try and vet every single person trying to change money, but ti would be expensive and would never be every effective, given the sums at stake.
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Isn't it funny that ISIL isn't prevalent in Saudi Arabia? Its almost like the government there controls them or something.
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17.40 Hillary Clinton has added her voice to the growing diplomatic concern about the Iraq situation. She says what's happening in Iraq is "a dreadful, deteriorating situation" and she's surprised by the effectiveness of ISIS

Well, the ISIS are savage degenerates but I surely wouldn't mind watching them execute her.
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>>31100708
pls

you don't know what you're talking about

Maliki government is an Iranian puppet, he has all these Iranian higher ups living in the Green Zone giving him orders.
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>>31100345
> The home office is actively watching all the people that fly over to that region
Ok, excellent. I think they should distribute public information about them too so I know who to bitch slap if I ever see them.

> they are converts and suffer from converts zeal

Same old, same old. The worst kinds of "religious" people there are. It's never about the religion but whatever their own personal brand of idiocy is.

Thanks for that link. Looking at it now.
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if the oil stops, they are getting BTFO.
Nobody relevant gives a shit about religion.
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>>31098859

Arab Nationalism does not legislate heavily on Islam or religion, does it?
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>>31100708
That's not what I'm saying. When your enemy is right in front of you, marching towards you, of course it's easy to fight them. But what about when your enemy is civilians picking up weapons and attacking you, then throwing away their weapons and melting back into the crowd? Keeping peace in a country on the edge of full scale ethnic civil war like Iraq is almost impossible, even for an army that isn't weakened and demoralised like Iraq's is. The Americans found it hard enough.
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>>31100762
She's surprised?
What an absolute fucking joke she is.
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>>31100263
No idea about ma"an but imo its impossible for anything serious to happen here in jordan
Even who do the prayer and knows about islam is busy buying germany and other countries flags and everyone is only talking about the world cup

I literally told them that americans are talking about us uniting and about a serious islamic movement that could start what we all know will eventually happen ( end of israel) but no one gives a shit

personally and im saying this in front of everyone as an arab and muslim I dont know whos on the right side, I hate all the arab goverments and I want all arab countries to unite under an islamic goverment but I dont want islamists who cut heads and consider the us and the west demons who should be killed to rule, its simple imo, why isnt the us interfering with other countries? If we hade good goverments I think the us might be a good ally
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>>31100764
If that were the case this wouldn't happen. Iranians know their shit. Or: they are letting this unfold on purpose, Iraq gets fragmented and they help form a new Shia state in the south.
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>>31100099
This whole thing still goes on, here's from two weeks ago:

UK Iraq war inquiry 'unblocked' after deal on Blair/Bush letters
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/29/us-britain-iraq-usa-idUSKBN0E91OO20140529

Reminds me of "The Ghost Writer", might watch this again very soon.
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Iraqi Army/Americans already bombing ISIS in Mosul:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JGCEMMhW_tM
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>>31100753
Isn't it funny how a group of Saudis, Lebanese and Egyptians, financed by a Saudi living in Pakistan, attacked America and America invaded Iraq? It's almost like the entire war on terror was just a ploy to remove Western geopolitical adversaries in the middle east.
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>>31100764
>Maliki government is an Iranian puppet, he has all these Iranian higher ups living in the Green Zone giving him orders.

Maliki is a USA puppet. Jewish neocons actually think they can stabilize iraq directly now.

Jews are horrible leaders, they're good at pulling strings but when they are in real leadership positions everything turns to utter shit.
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>>31100873
You sound like you are being tricked by the Jews because they are the ones funding ISIS
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Breaking News @BreakingNews 3s
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>>31100810
>I dont want islamists who cut heads and consider the us and the west demons who should be killed to rule
this is "revolutionary reaction", when you're in a fight to the death with powerful imperialist powers these sorts of things happen: see the first years of the Iranian revolution. All real revolutions involve the wholesale slaughter of the prior rulers, revolutionary violence is inherent to the process.

At this point I'm hoping for the abolishment of all puppet regimes and real unification, only then can real lasting peace be achieved.

Example of South America is most fitting here. USA thought it had to stabilize the region and impose ruthless dictatorships. Turns out once they were overthrown the region became quite peaceful.
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No way ISIS can actually take Baghdad. They might throw everything around it into chaos and maybe isolate it, but they won't take it over.
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>>31100914
FUCK YEAH!!! Hope some videos come up soon. I wanna see the IRGC wipe their asses with ISIS scalps. =)
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>>31100852
>already
Already published on May 24, wow, they ARE quick.
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>America bombing Mosul
>Iran invading Iraq

I WOKE UP THIS MORNING TO IRAN AND AMERICA COOPERATING. WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK
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>>31100856
it was always an imperial war

Afghanistan was more oriented toward deterring threats to American legitimacy, which is why it was neglected once Al Qaeda was neutralized.

Iraq was always a war of imperial aggression, intended to establish a foothold in the heart of the middle east.
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>>31100345
Ok, very interesting.

> Bilal Abdul Kareem, an American Muslim convert

> She's British, and converted to Islam four years ago.

See, this is the major problem actual Muslims face. They should find these kids at source and root them the fuck out.

Also, I couldn't watch that video all the way through. Makes me fucking rage. Just idiots with a gun looking for a reason to use it. Illegally entering another country, interfering with its locals, and contributing to bloodshed and mayhem. Unbelievable.
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>>31100976
Meant to post this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YgcTkQwu6Q
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>>31100950
It's possible. Like >>31099050 said, all they need to do is incite a general Sunni/Shia civil war and their job becomes much easier.
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>>31100961
>decry ISIS for fomenting civil war
>cheer Iran for making civil war inevitable
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PzFeed Top News @PzFeed 27s
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MORE: Combined Iraqi-Iranian forces have retaken large parts of Tikrit from militants - WSJ

ISIS getting blown the fuck out
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>>31100068
Not at all. This kind of sectarian violence was going to happen in Iraq under Hussein anyway, only sooner. It was spiraling toward because of international sanctions and megalomaniacal spending of what money they had by Saddam. When the crash came, you'd have Sunni vs. Shia because of the divide-and-rule that the Ba'ath party had instigated for so many years, along with Saudi Arabia, Iran and Turkey eying up the Wahhabi Sunni west, the Khomeini'ite Shia East and the Kurdish north respectively.
You'd end up with a vortex of violence much worse than what we have now.
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>>31100810
I agree with you 100%

Why can't there be a Sufi-ish Caliphate to unite the Arab people? No batshit, head-cutting, Christian removing stuff, but a strong Islamic government to resist the degeneracy we have in the West. I would like that a lot.

This April, there was a big disturbance in Ma'an
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/04/jordan-reels-from-week-violence-maan-20144281256437277.html

People were scared because some guys with fancy guns and ISIS flags were out on the street walking around for a day or two. I don't know what happened after that
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>>31098511
My brother in Christ
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>>31100491
Why though? That will only happen if America does something in there.

Any American returning from overseas and is suspected of coming from these insurgent groups needs to be put on a watchlist. I wouldn't normally advocate that but in this case, it's entirely appropriate.
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>>31100914
>Revolutionary Guard

Are those like a poor man's Waffen SS? They even have the MG42 replicas (I believe MG3).
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>>31100607
If America has no legitimacy then who does you fucking retard? America is the MOST legitimate, I'd much rather be under American influence than Chinese.
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>>31101136
If America intervenes now and crushes ISIS, you're going to have thousands of very angry jihadists returning to the West. You can't keep tabs on them all. All it takes is one with a bomb.
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>>31101165
Holy shit, they even use Hitler approved kike removers
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lel iran kicking a hornets nest

have fun with that shit
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>>31101071
Lets be honest, Civil War was inevitable.
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>>31100563
> they do it using explosives and as a terror-spectacle

I agree with you but like you say, they do it enough, they'll lose support. Especially if the other side does it too. But from what I know, they've both been at this kind of bombing shit for a while now.

Again, if I was some kind of military commander, I'd put a stop to it as part of any order plan.

Thing is though, they utterly hate each other so I don't even know if that's achievable.

The better solution is to just carve it up and let one side take one and the other the other. And the only way that's going to happen is if it gets so bad it becomes the only viable option. I think we're a long way from that still.
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The Associated Press @AP 36s
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BREAKING: Germany urges citizens to immediately leave 3 Iraqi governorates, Baghdad.
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>>31100629
I don't know about that and I don't want to.

Just... no.
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>>31101176
>America is the MOST legitimate
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>>31101058
That would help, but the Sunni's are a small minority, and while inflaming them against the Shia would help, the authorities still have thousands of loyal soldiers, some US troops, not to mention whatever fire support and drones and shit the USA will lend them. Things are too stacked against them and I have a feeling they will ultimately hit a wall.
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>>31101115
>This kind of sectarian violence was going to happen in Iraq under Hussein anyway
no, it wasn't

sectarian violence is not inevitable

the start of the sectarian violence was a deliberate tactic of Zarqawi and his allies

it then tamped down until Maliki started being a dick
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>>31101176
kek, no empire has legitimacy, it's a crime against humanity
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>>31100150
Eat shit, no you don't present any majority in the arab world, the majority is silent when you have oppressive monarchies like in Jordan (renowned as CIA's lackey)!

?????? ?????? ?? ????? ?? ?????

btw, iraqi here, and you've guessed it,sunni as well!
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>>31098525

I'm old enough to remember the Berlin Wall, but yes this is the most interesting times have been in a decade.
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>>31098955
Is this a George Lucas quote?
Topkek
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>>31101176
>>31101339
Having world police only fuels and delays shitstorms, it doesnt prevent them.
Americans are finally beginning to understand, it only took us 4 failed "democracy establishing military expeditions" to realize that this shit never will work
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IRAN WILL SAVE US
IRAN WILL PURGE THE ISIS SCUM
GLORY TO IRAN
PERSIAN EMPIRE WILL RISE AGAIN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAEDQwMtf4o
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This will happen again:

Date: 11/16/2001

The situation in Afghanistan this week was a completely different story. This time, Iranian special forces were freely handed US communications and operational codes in a gesture from Washington to Tehran -- freely except for the fact that their range was limited to a radius applicable only to the local US command structure in and around Herat.

The US-Iranian dialogue leading up to this military and intelligence cooperation in Afghanistan began in late September and flowed through two channels: The first had two branches - one, American business representatives employed in the past year by firms with investments in Iran. Those firms were managed by Richard Cheney before he was elected vice president; two, CIA officers left to hold down various undercover duties after the 1991 Gulf War period, when Cheney served the first President Bush as defense secretary. Both groups have been acting as Iran's lobby in Washington, advocating the lifting of U.S. economic sanctions and a larger American stake in the Iranian economy. The second channel was military. Two secret visits to Tehran happened in recent weeks by General Tommy Franks, Head of US Central Command (covering Afghanistan and the Near East), attended by armed forces staff officers and CIA Iranian Desk staffers. They held intensive discussions with Iranian army and military intelligence chiefs, as well as General Yahya Rahim Safavi, commander of the Revolutionary Guards, on Iran's contribution to the US war against terror and role in its aftermath.
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>>31101116
> Why can't there be a Sufi-ish Caliphate to unite the Arab people? No batshit, head-cutting, Christian removing stuff, but a strong Islamic government to resist the degeneracy we have in the West. I would like that a lot.

Exactly, man. Spot on. I really wish this would happen too. A peaceful caliphate would be awesome. I'm not Muslim but I really want to see this in my lifetime.
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>>31101417
things have to work themselves out, and no foreign power can dictate these things to a proud people like Arab Muslims
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>>31101426
What the Americans were after was for an Iranian elite unit to cross into Afghanistan, infiltrate Herat and form insurrectionary cells to rise up against their Taliban masters when the Northern Alliance attacked the city. Generals Franks and Safavi agreed on a plan and shaped its details. It worked like clockwork. Iranian commandos set up a secure base for themselves in Herat. A group of eight to 10 US Special Forces officers joined them as the advance guard of the Northern Alliance. Under an Americans guarantee, the thrust into Herat and the central Afghanistan province of Bamayan was left entirely to the forces of the Shi'ite militia chief, former governor Ismail Khan, and no one but the Shi'ite Hazara ethnic contingents led by Karim Khalili were deployed in the city and region. On these terms, Iranian agents organized the local insurrection as arranged and the rebel leader invited the Northern Alliance, or rather, Ismail Khan, to liberate the town.

A US Special Forces team of officers and CIA personnel meanwhile remained in Tehran to oversee the smooth operation of the joint venture -- the first time the CIA was allowed to set foot in the Iranian capital since 1979. Not only were they present on this alien terrain, but the Herat campaign had US and Iranian military-intelligence teams working opposite each other for a shared objective.

pic unrelated
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>>31101267
Admittedly, in the long term, ISIS is definitely going to be destroyed. There is no way that the West is going to allow an sharia state in the centre of the middle east. But the possibility of them doing serious damage to the Iraqi government and possibly taking Baghdad is still there. 40% is not a small minority by any means.
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>>31101176
American imperaliast bullshit. America needs to stay out. It achieves nothing, creates more shit, and loads of you get killed, you pay a fortune, and for what? Nothing.

Just stay out.
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>>31101450
That's the truth.
I'd fucking kill a Chinese troop walking down my street if we were ever invaded, what the fuck is so hard to understand about them wanting to do the same thing?
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>>31101312
Saddam was taking on a more and more explicit Sunni bent as time went by. He was having statues of himself in Sunni garb built, more Sunni public holidays, more scapegoating of Shia and especially Kurds, and changing the national flag.
If he was going the full Sunni nationalist, there was going to be inevitable Shia kickback. Iran backed it.
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>>31101190
Yes, exactly. Which is why America should stay out and watch anyone coming back in anyway. You can't keep tabs on them all indeed which is even more of a reason just to stay out.
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>>31101426
In fact, the destruction of ISIS is a mutual objective of US and Iran now. If it weren't for Israel, current events would certainly help to thaw US-Iran relations.
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>>31101368
>?? ????? ?? ?????

Cool now I know how to say "stay mad" in Arabic
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>>31101368
> btw, iraqi here

Not him but why are you not tripping and answering questions?

Get on it, stat.
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CNN IS TALKING ABOUT IT
WELCOME TO 3 DAYS AGO; AMERIFATS
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Well boys...million dollar question:
Do we go back into Iraq??
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>>31101459
I thought they were more like 30%? But anyway, ISIS will eventually get rekt, damage will be done, but there will be no one to fill the power vacuum. Iran won't be able to come in because of the US, Turkey maybe could invade the Kurds but that's it. I just think that as interesting as this is, it will ultimately fizzle out, and things in Iraq will either return to relative normal, or will just break down into smaller, semi-autonomous regions, but no great happening or caliphate
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>>31101473
>American imperaliast bullshit. America needs to stay out. It achieves nothing, creates more shit, and loads of you get killed, you pay a fortune, and for what? Nothing.
>Just stay out.
We're trying. I'm 20 and none of this generation wants anything to do with this shit

But we cant get in office until we're 35. So we're stuck with the War-Mongering baby boomer retards who ruined this country
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>>31101568
see
>>31099707
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>>31101568
With drones? FUCK YEAH
With Boots on the ground? NOPE bush made that mistake not even obongo will follow through on that.
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>>31101568
we wouldn't have any legitimacy

Sadr would turn against USA and then we'd have both Sunni and Shia trying to kill us
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>>31101450
Precisely. Let them work it out. 100% agree. And I'm not saying that because "no war, omgod no war" but because I want other cultures to have their own chance to be strong and independent. All our governments just lie and serve corporate interests anyway. Let them have a chance and go their own way. Totally agree.
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>>31101568
iranians are in. their mess now
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>>31101568
Why would we
We'd create a 3rd front and everyone would want to kill us
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>>31101608
>FUCK YEAH
>implying Drones can do anything against an insurgency
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>>31101450
The Muslims are incompetent of running their own countries
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>>31101649
They can bomb the shit out of some civilians, we know that
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>>31101666
If all Shias were dead, like the Sunnis want, everything would work out perfectly.

But America is interfering in national selection
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>>31101666
So? Let them wallow in their own animalistic barbarism, not our business. We should let them take over, then deport all them out of Europe back home. Problem solved for everyone.
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haha HAPPENING NOW

18.29 Iran 'deploys two battalions of the Quds force with experience of fighting in Iraq to help their Iraq counterparts defend Samara and win back parts of Tikrit' - Wall Street Journal reports
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>>31101596
> We're trying. I'm 20

Oh no, I know, don't worry. No ill will to the American people at all, especially the kids. I hate the boomers too, believe me.

Our focus should be in getting our own governments out. I'm sick and tired of the lies, and deceptions, and bullshit. We need a whole new collective foreign policy. Dialogue, less corporatism, more internal self determination. Lots of trade but that's it.
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>>31101608
>drones doing anything against insurgency
>using outdated military tactics against a new enemy
>see world war 1
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>>31101417
Which is why they shouldn't have left Iraq
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>>31101723
They won't be able to make significant gains with the USA watching though. IMO it's possible Turkey will claim a chunk of northern Iraq and Iran will claim a chunk of the east, but that's about it at most
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>>31101666
Trips confirms your barbarous, imperialist intentions.

Stay out. It's not your job to police the world - you've been shown fuck knows how many times already.
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>>31101727
Good luck. Most young people don't approve of the government, but are also critically retarded, know nothing about politics or economics except regurgitated talking points, are addicted to electronic entertainment, and just generally are apathetic as shit.
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>>31101553
Because this is /pol, ppl have already made their minds and want someone to reaffirm it, and even the few who are truly interested are easily swayed by the propaganda of others and the media's massive, confusing, and often contradictory info.
So what is the point?
All I can say is that ISIS actually takes care of law and order, trully believes that we will only be prosperous again with Islamic law.
They hold themselves to the same "extreme" laws they force on the others, you can literally complain to an ISIS court if anyone messed with you unjustly, and 2 ISIS members atleast have been punished in Raqqa for harrassing an innocent with lashes!
Finally, those you saw killed in videos (salel sawarem 4), are all part of the iraqi government forces, or otherwise are informants/collaborates!

So yeah I like them, and Allah's laws are more than just for me, as long as everyone is equal under the law, which under ISIS it is, caliphate is on!
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>>31101723
Iran confirmed for anti terrorist bro force.
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>>31101761
WHAT DONT YOU GUYS GET
WE ARE ONLY TARGETS BECAUSE WE'RE IN THESE COUNTRIES TO BEGIN WITH

THE IRAQIS DONT WANT US IN THEIR COUNTRY. THE PEOPLE DONT. THE GOVERNMENT DOESNT (unless theyre getting attacked, surprise surprise)

We cant be there. You cant assist an insurgency that you created. We need to let this thing happen and then talk to the new leader. This isnt our problem and this will keep happening until the iraqi majority gets their way.
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>>31101708
A secure stable Middle East = less immigrants to Europe
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>>31101823
Top kek. Your bros are going to be drowned to death soon.
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>>31101823
See, I was asking questions earlier in the thread about what civilians thought about them. There was a report in the Guardian today of Iraqi locals saying what you're saying which is why I think you'd be really good to talk to. If you want to make a thread or even if you just jump into a new one, and you have the time, I think you should tell us. Who cares what others say. There are loads of people on this thread who agree with you.

Also, while I have you here - just one quick question. So you're Sunni and you're happy but will ISIS treat Shia Iraqis the same? Even with all the past animosity and trouble? What do you think?
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>>31101839
They'll come for the welfare and handouts regardless.
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>>31101631
source
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>>31100764
Kek

Only if Maliki's iranian handlers are handled by the CIA themselves, in that case yes
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>>31101823
wish I was you, taking part in a true Islamic movement without foreign sugar daddies
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>>31101832
This guy gets it and understands completely.
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>>31101839
It should not matter whether the Middle-East is secure and stable for us to get a stranglehold on our own immigrants. Nationalist governments in Europe would take care of this, instead of the spineless, pathetic cowards in service right now, serving EU neomarxist and Jewish interests.
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>>31100914
>Combined Iraqi-Iranian forces had retaken control across 85% of Tikrit, the birthplace of former dictator Saddam Hussein, according to Iraqi and Iranian security sources.
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With the VA scandal and Berghdal Obama is going to milk this for all it's worth. Prepare for an awesome clusterfuck of an intervention /pol/
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>>31100811
ding ding ding

Iran has no interest in Iraq stability, only insomuch as they get control of Baghdad and all parts south.
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>>31101830
This. I bet they are in cahoots with the US on this.
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>>31101925
No they wont. Because to them, religion is more than anything.
So they'll stay their.
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>>31101804
No, I know. It's tragic. At least in my generation, we knew to get on to the streets and not think retweeting something was the height of political "activism".

Still. I have a lot of faith in people. Let's see how this pans out on the ground. For us, though, we need a new way of government or certainly we need whole new attitudes to foreign policy and corporate interests. Absolutely critical.
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>>31102003
Exactly. If they have a prosperous, peaceful caliphate, why the fuck would they want to come here and get benefits? Those countries are soaked with oil. If anything, it'll be loads of people from here trying to get in there illegally probably.

They need their own chance to do their own thing in their own way. We need to leave them the hell alone once and for all.
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>>31102000
Doubt it. They just seized the initiative to further the Shiite cause in Iraq over the US jewry sponsored ISIL, which is now as always just a controlled opposition becoming uncontrolled (but technically still is, Saudi Arabia (US puppet) anyone?).

They don't want a Sunni Caliphate next to them.
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>>31102036
it doesn't matter what USA attitude is, the economy is weak and the empire is crumbling.

You see Russia and China pressing their interests very strongly now.
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>>31101368
>oppressive monarchies
>mfw a muslim thinks he can handle democratic or republic state forms near me
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>>31102101
>US jewry sponsored ISIL
stop this

>>31101954
it's long known that Maliki has extraordinarily close ties with Iran
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>>31101981
So Iran is already in Iraq
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>>31102122
I agree, yeah. The empire is dying. Finally. Good fucking riddance.

I wish for a glorious Islamic caliphate in my lifetime that will provide peace and prosperty for all within it, and allow me, a foreigner who likes Islam very much, a chance to visit and sit in a beautiful garden, sipping tea.
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>>31102100
There are no prosperous, peaceful Middle Eastern countries. Turkey is as close as it gets and even they are emigrating into Europe. Even those that are wealthy are still just ruled by dictators, strongmen, corrupt sheiks, etc. The nature of the Arab character does not lend itself to fairness, equality or high standards of living for all, it's a very "winner take all" mentality of tribalism headed up by warlords.
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>>31102160
>stop this

Since it's true, I won't. Just look at the Syrian conflict to see exactly.
Another one of their controlled oppositions getting loose.
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>>31102100
We need to stop thinking politically and economically and realize that we are humans and we cant predict humans because humans will always do things to make them happy

In America, money is happiness, so we're invading for the oil and power
In Iraq, religion is happiness, but we arent letting them fulfill their happiness, thus wanting them to kill us
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>>31102122
>the economy is weak and the empire is crumbling.
...Not even close.
We have an entire country of oil we're sitting on and not mining yet because our government is retarded.
America is going to have a golden age from 2020-2040 because all these government plans to better ourselves, take place during that time frame.
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>>31102036
The only thing that will change this system is a massive financial shock that destroys government power and legitimacy. At this point the system is too powerful and corrupt, and the oligarchs too deeply entrenched to be extricated from it. Things are going to have to get worse for them to get better. If Americans don't get a shock to the system, they will just continue on eating junk food and popping anti-depressants and watching trash TV while their government bombs and enslaves half the rest of the world.
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Just to confirm. Is ISIS the group Assad is fighting against? (One of them at least)
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>>31102201
Because we've been fucking with them for so long, you oaf. They've never had a chance.

Also,

> The nature of the Arab character does not lend itself to fairness, equality or high standards of living for all
> The nature of the Arab character
> The nature of

Ok, whatever.

Discarded.
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>>31102259
America is probably going to break up into several different states during that time, which will then likely fight amongst each other for those resources.
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>>31102201
>There are no prosperous, peaceful Middle Eastern countries
BECAUSE WE ARENT LETTING THEM FORM ONE
We keep invading and tell them what "we want them to do"
We formed these nations with so many backwards fucking policies and not evaluating Religion-By-Area statistics and fucked the whole thing up

Now we have people on the streets fighting for nationalism of nations that dont even exist yet.
All because we fucked up from the start. Now we need to let them create the borders that THEY want in THEIR country because THEY know more about this than US and we cant comprehend that.
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>>31102302
Yes. Considering he's slowly but surely destroying them, I wonder how they could take anything in Iraq.
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>>31102318
>America is probably going to break up into several different states during that time, which will then likely fight amongst each other for those resources.

Yeah OK, you're just an idiot then.
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>>31102331
>nationalism of nations that dont even exist yet.

Nation = people, m8 you mean country
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>>31102318
America isnt a conventional state.
The racist and old south is being taken over by minorities and all power and money is controlled in the north easy, while the center supports everyone.
America isnt going to break down for a long, long time.
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>>31101916
Let me do some explaining first, when I grew up as a kid in the ninties, I had all kinds of friends, arabs, kurds,even shia!

After the american invasion, shia showed their true colors, their death squads, and torture of innocent Sunnis in prisons became horriblly infamous, I my self saw corpse with a shining empty whilte skull and whole in the ribcage, they put the poor soul's head in acid and drilled his heart simultaneously while alive. 170 people in my neighboorhood of "aljaamia" in baghdad got killed just they are named "Omar" in their IDs.
You see, under shia, you have no freedom of studying religion, or interpreting it unless you are "decendent of the prophet", and those who are in infallable, so if they out of the blue, say to enter heaven you have eat shit to get to heaven, this become's literally god's command! (In sunni islam any can study religion, and you need texts to prove your point, kind of like studying law, it is the law actually under islam)

Guess what the mostly Arab sunni hating persian Shia scolars (and the traitorus one in najaf/karbalah in iraq) commanded? That those who kill/torture sunnis go to heaven!

We got backstabbed by friends, and family (yes I used to have shia family by marriage extension, though very extended).

Though many shia find the iranian and even southern iraqi redicoulus, we just can't trust them anymore, under ISIS, they will be forced to convert to sunni, or GTFO!

The reasonable one are only culturally shia, and won't resist converting, those that don't are a cause of concern, we won't be backstabbed again!

As for the kurds, we sunni arabs still love them as fellow sunnis and countrymen!
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>>31102208
Exactly. I agree with every word. Personally, I just want everyone to develop their own best systems according to their own needs like you say. I have no issue at all with an Islamic state because there will be Muslims living in it, according to their mores and ways. I really fail to understand why that's such a problem. The only conclusion I can have then is that it is a case of homogenising and forcing others to also be western and it's bullshit. That flies in the face of everything I think we actually stand for and unlike the lies and propaganda our own countries keep pushing. It will be Muslims in those countries and people here often don't realise that Islam is not only a type of religion, it is also a kind of society. So, they want that society. And I fully support them getting it.
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>>31102312
We've only been fucking with them for 100 years or so. Their problems go back way farther than that. They've had every chance in the world just like everybody else.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud1zpHW3ito
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>>31102205
It's funny how you keep saying that. US sponsored rebel (FSA) is a joke. They might have collaborated with local jihadist group that pledge allegiance to alqaidah, but ofcourse they're not much better tha FSA and get BTFO by ISIS.
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>>31102302
Technically yes

In reality no

ISIS and Assad have been in a defacto truce since ISIS went to war with all the other Syrian rebels. There's an isolated Assad base with a few hundred men called Division 17 in the middle of ISIS-held territory in Syria. ISIS still hasn't captured it and doesn't even really attack it.

In general, Assad's force and ISIS's forces don't even face each other except in a few small places, so both focus on fighting the other rebels.
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>>31102443
The US (and Israel) also supported ISIS aside from FSA, they turned to all rebels.
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>>31102408
Shit man.

Iraq is so fucked.

It really should just be broken up.
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man these guys are dangerous, I'm a libyan and we are having the same problem with these *ansar alsharia * fuckers. They don't represent Islam or Sunni's. they are a real threat and we need to fucking kill them all
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>>31099107
If this isnt factual proof that ISIS is funded by jews then I dont know what it
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>>31102408
Wow. This post is amazing. I study religion and this is just... wow. It's rare to get this kind of insight. Thanks, man.

I'm concerned about forced conversions, though. Is there a lot of hatred there for Shias to the extent that they won't just be allowed to practise their own way?

Reply in the new thread by the way. This one's dead. If you have the time, of course.
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>>31102331
Bullcrap. The only thing that existed before European intervention was just warring, nomad tribes and city states. Like it or not, there wouldn't even be nations as we define them to begin with if it wasn't for evil western interventionism. It would still just be a bunch of dudes living out in tents cutting each others heads off, regional warlords robbing raping and pillaging etc. You have this ridiculous idea like the west has been holding the middle easterners back, when in fact they're the only reason they exist as a semi-modern society. If they were capable of producing something great, they would. And yet every chance they get, they set themselves further back by regressing deeper and deeper into their own culture, which is tribalistic and sectarian, and is not compatible with being a major nation state.
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>>31102581
I bet you support Hifter

Have fun with your mini-Sisi corruptocracy if you let that guy take over
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>>31099707
reminder

also new thread
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>>31102259

Finally, someone else who gets it.
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