/film/ - Medium Format General

I should get my mamiya repaired.. :(

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should take this out more often, but it's so heavy compared to 135

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>>2753879
Didn't you get it like a month ago? Harden up, poofter.

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>>2753877
And no you shouldn't, Mamiyas are trash. You could find a replacement for less than the cost of a repair.
You sound like Sugar, do you know how pathetic that is?

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>>2753898
>>2753903
Fellow Brisbanite! This velvia looks so much more subdued than what I usually see, cool stuff. You home develop or go somewhere else? I send my 135 stuff to Hillvale in Melbourne, but they upped their prices (understandably) so it's not so economical any more. Anyway, nice to see someone else shoot film here

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>>2753911
I try really hard to flatten it out in post.
I pay Prolab at Kelvin Grove.
Real dip and dunk, even for C-41 135, all formats.

>>2753913
Holy grain. What film is this?

>>2753916
I had no idea Prolab existed, I go to uni right across the road so I'll check it out. Cheers

>>2753918

new portra 400@800. never again..

I have 4 rolls of 220 to get developed but no longer have a scanner and have yet to buy a macro lens for my A7. Not that motivated to dev them cause negatives are pretty useless without having a way to digitize them.

Once I finally have the means to digitize Ill hopefully have a nice pile of stuff to sort through. So far most if it is long exposures.

>>2753932

you dont have a filmfriend with a scanner?

>>2753932
Most labs charge for scans from negatives so if you're desperate do that. It's not that expensive

>>2753929
I'm sure a DSLR scan would look a lot better, that seems ridiculously bad.
Did you push in processing, or just underexpose?

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>Glorious $0.50 Scans from a Nikon 9000 Can print 22x22 inch at 300 DPI completely sharp and detailed at a 100%

>>2753859
hasselblad? Bronica?

>>2753929
You wont see grain on medium format, they said

>>2754013
Bokeh that hideous would have to be a fucking Arax or some garbage, surely.
>>2754003
It looks fine at 800px.
Show us something sharp and detailed at max res?

>>2753937
Nope!
>>2753943
From what I've seen 1 roll of 1-5mb (LOL) files will run me $15. Fuck that, I'm just waiting for a rad canon FD 50mm mavro + extension tube to show up online or locally. Hopefully that happens soon though.

>>2754003
My university had a 9000ED I would use. Made a couple 24x24 inch prints from it. Awesome piece of equipment but took forever to scan so I only used it for images I planned to print.

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some hp5

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>>2754029
ektar

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Asked this in the gear thread and got no response. Looking at a 645nII. One listing has the 45-85 lens, and another has just the 75. I can afford either, and I'm leaning towards the zoom for versatility, unless there's a consensus that the zoom is a dogshit lens. Help pls and thank you.

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>>2753903

calm down mate.

>>2754034

dude prime >zoom in any context.

>>2753898
yeah after using a 645 for quite some time and getting rid of it just because I didn't like the aspect ratio. try harder

>>2754020
>>2753903

post photos and stay shut the fuck up. this is a thread for photos, not for your dumb edgy ass to talk shit for the sake of it.

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>>2754020
Here's an un-sharpened crop of the image I posted above at 100% Film is Delta 400. Camera is Yashica Mat 124G

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>>2754020
Here's another With Velvia 50.

>>2754023
I wish I owned one but I don't shoot anywhere near enough film to justify it I got through like 10 rolls a year

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>>2753859

Goddamn that's some ugly ass bokeh.

>>2754053
>>2754047
I just like to add some salt before I sit down to enjoy a thread.

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TMY

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>>2754110
And since we are doing crops in this thread....

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>>2754136
This feels super washed out, even for portra. The Film label looks washed out as well, did you post process this?

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that bokeh gave me eye cancer

sell your camera and kill yourself

>>2754110
>>2754111
Kek. If you post a crop you have to say what scanner was used

>>2753929
that's just the scanner fucking up, you can get great results from pushed portra if processed properly

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>>2754201
>>2754160
Canon 550D, m8 :^)
(this was handheld at 1/15 or something silly, so it's not that sharp)

>>2754245
>>2754110
>>2754111
Do you use a "Copy Stand" to do this because I tried using my DSLR and inverted tripod and I had various issues. Also with Slide film I could never capture the full dynamic range from the light table. I also have Rebel

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Why do people use b/w with MF so much, relative to 35mm

Has anyone developed through RDFL in Australia before?

Are they any good?

Thx in advance senpai

>>2754278
I have not, but holy fuckery are they expensive. Use Hillvale photo in Melbourne, they do send in developing

>>2754291
Just looking at the Hillvale pricelist and you are right that it is cheaper but only for C41 film, not BW which is what I want processed and is about $6 more per roll than RDFL for processing and high-res scans.

Any other lab suggestions pls?

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>>2754263
pic related
>>2754269
I wasn't aware that they did?
Small format black and white gives great results with the right film and good technique, most 135 colour on the other hand can still look a bit patchy at modest enlargements, and the improvement in tonality is immediately visible when you step up in format.

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>>2754048
understand that, except in versatility. I'm willing to trade a little IQ for versatility, but not a ton

>>2754300
I'm in Aus and can do most things, and $8/frame flextight raw scans

>>2754269
>Why do people use b/w with MF so much, relative to 35mm
Processing at home probably. Not giving your medium format bokeh monster dick picks to some lab guy to process.
Price has a little bit to do with it for me too. C41 120 costs as much as or more than B/W then at least £5-8 for processing.

>>2754352
Get a GA645zi.
They're small and QT enough that you can actually bring them places and use them casually.
Do not underestimate the value of having the camera on you.
Also, built in flash means the slow lense isn't *as* much of a liability, also it's really sharp, also you get all 16 frames per roll, I think...

>>2754201
My crop >>2754111 is a6000 with 55/3.5 Micro-Nikkor

>>2754353
how much per roll process and scan?

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800Z was such nice film

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>>2754352
medium format is not versatile. get over it.

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Already posted a different version of this in another thread recently. Fugdabolice :DD

RZ67, Tmax100

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After I shot this some guy living in the village told me the house was for sale. Really thought about it, but it's in the middle of nowhere..

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>>2754048
In ANY context? really. So why do they make zooms then? It's not like they're cheaper, or more simple...

>>2754369
Very nice. I really like the contrast in this one. Do you happen to have any more shots?

>>2754430
ANY context gear enthusiasts care about.. that excludes versatility and usability.

>>2754433
That makes sense. I guess it's really pointless to put things like "compression" and "composition" down on a test chart, so the ability to adjust those very important aspects of your frame on the scene don't really seem important to those people. You can't brag about how your 24-70 has better compression flexibility than [other brand]'s 24-70, and if you can't win based on gear selection, why even play...

>>2754368
$12 for process + high scan (frontier) for whole roll

>>2754429
has the sharpness and grain of a 35mm neg, you're doing it wrong faggot

>>2753859
Haven't shot much lately because of work, but here's my film stash. About 25 rolls of 120 in various films. Fuji Polaroids and some 35mm too.

>>2754062
Well okay, that's sweet.

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>>2754656
Oops, forgot pic.

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>>2754654
you see grain at a 1000px resize of a 3200dpi scan of a 6x9 negative? Clearly you're stating bullshit just to feel superior..

>>2754663

accept the criticism and move on; if you cant tolerate negative posts, then dont post at all. this is a photo thread, not an "arguing thread" for people to cry over crits. stop the bullshit and grow up.

>>2754663
I don't, because it's mushy as shit. not to mention it's flat and muddy. you really need to learn how to process your shit

>>2754670
>>2754676
was it that hard to put this into a single post? I accept criticism, but we both know you're stating bullshit here.

>>2754429
What the hell are the weird dark bands in the grass on each side of the barn door? Bad scan?

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I just stared taking photos. So after some fucking around with a magnifying desktop lamp this is a semi-worthy picture.

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>>2754693
this is the normal style these traditional houses are built. There are clinkers at the socket and the roof is made of slate. You don't see this kind of house that often anymore though. In that village there's an even older one which still has the traditional half-timbered walls (covered with slate plates in the shown one as well).

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>>2754697
No, I'm talking about this shit, not the building itself. why does the grass have dark stains on either side of the door?

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>>2754698
oh, I got you wrong then. Don't know what that is..

>>2754695
Anon, what film did you use for this shot? Is it cross-processed? Did you develop it yourself?

>>2754701
It's bromide drag, you've had it on the other photos you shared too.
Agitate your fucking dev, you lazy shit.
10 seconds every minute.
Practically every developer ever made says to do this, but a 12 year old on a fucking Filipino origami forum thinks he knows better than the received wisdom of a century's worth of photographers and scientists.

>>2754431
I'll dig some more 800z shots when I get home

>>2754698
Bromide drag. Gotta agitate more. Was that shot stand developed?

>>2754731
Calm your tits buddy, your hate is reaching almost ridiculous levels..
Might actually be bromide drag.
Was my first attempt at stand development, guess you heard of it.

>>2754739
it was, tried it for the first time, probably won't do again.

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>>2754743
Hey, sometimes bromide drag can be cool. Forgive me for posting a 35mm example in a MF thread /p/

If you want to avoid it just agitate a bit more during the stand. Maybe every 15 minutes or so.

>>2754824
it can, true. I think I'm just going for the normal development next time though.

>>2754731
>12 year old on a fucking Filipino origami forum thinks he knows better than the received wisdom of a century's worth of photographers and scientists.
i lol'd

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>>2754431
Sorry it took awhile, here's a few more 800Z if different light.

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>>2755645

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>>2755648
I found it to actually look really awesome in harsh sun. Was shooting 1/500th at f22 though so my camera was maxed out.

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>>2755651
Forgive the potato quality scan. In harsh light it gets really washed out, similar to what the old Portra NC looked like.

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Dumping mine

>>2755434
>>2755594
>>2755496

I don't care if they have scratches or artifacts, I think they add to the sort of vibe and look that I'm trying to go for.

>>2754824
Don't really like that effect. Looks too much like shitty hdr, imo.

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Recently got a bronica, heres some pics

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>>2755767

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>>2755768

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>>2755768

currently have rolleiflex, pentacon 6, mamiya c220, pentax 6x7. but ive always wanted a bronica. should i cop?

>>2753859
Those circles of confusion are fucking disgusting.
Jesus christ.

>>2757725
Not sure if you are making a play on words, or if you really don't know what "circle of confusion" means.

>>2757785
It was a joke my friend.

>>2757787
Cool that. Did we ever establish what lens created those, ummm, onion rings??

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nyc

>>2757790
>onion rings
This is now my new term for ugly ring bokeh.

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>>2754136
this is tight.
fourth window down second from the left had a little kid, I can't wait to print it big.

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>>2757795
Dude I'm counting 9 windows that contain humans, and a possible tenth!

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Tri-X 400 developed in Xtol 1+1 shot on a Hasselblad. Scanned with a D800. I think the V500 scanner I have can take equally as good scans. I'll have to post a comparison soon.

>>2757808
Unless you have a shit tier non-macro lens, or your technique totally sucks, your d800 can totally DESTROY a v500. Like not even in the same ball park.

>>2757795

there are 15 people in your photo. but you freak out at the sight of one little kid. seek help.

>>2757808
>>2757824

it doesnt matter because the picture is soft as balls.

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>>2757808
Scanning with my 6D blows away my v550, even if I do it in one shot and don't stitch. If I stitch multiple shots I can get a 100mp file pretty easily. if a D800 scan looks worse than your v500, you're doing it wrong.

pic(s) related, Went to a frozen lake at sunrise. RZ67 w/Ektar, scanned with 6D.

>>2757714
Sell the 6x6 and get a Bronica. Best camera I have ever owned

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>>2758073

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>>2758075

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>>2758076

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>>2758078

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>>2757993
10/10 comment.

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Here's a few. Portra 400 w Hasselblad. Try to overlook the horrible scans, lel.

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>>2758152

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>>2758126
Damn. I love this

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>>2758154

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>>2758157
Not sure about this. Very recent.

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>>2758159

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>>2758161
Just realized that I've posted a bunch of large files. Sorry, I didn't even notice (on mobile).

>>2757824
>>2757994
>>2758073

I'll post a pic of my scanning rig and setup, I should be getting better scans then. I use a nikkor 55mm macro lens with an extension on it. The D800 is mounted on a sliding enlarger stand. Light is supplied by an inverted enlarger head. Film is sandwiched between two pieces of frame glass. I have the D800 connected to my pc and use live view software to focus and take the scan.

Bamp

>>2758165
Come on then.

>>2755653

damn man i like this a lot

>>2758162
your a croweater right?

cheap medium format?

>>2760306
imo the best deal in medium format right now would be the minolta autocord. very cheap, optics that rival the much more expensive rolleiflex's and arguably superior ergonomics.

here's some info: http://www.dantestella.com/technical/autocord.html

I still prefer rolleis, they're a bit smoother and more solid mechanically, but even the cheaper versions are much more expensive than an autocord. you can probably get old folders for less but they have shit ergonomics, guess focusing, and mediocre optics.

tlrs are pretty great, they're much lighter and quieter than equivalent slrs (like hasselblad or bronica for example), so they're much more portable. only downsides are fixed lenses and parallax at close focusing distances.

>>2760311
yeah but menelta :/
At least get konishiroku.
But real patrician shot Fujica.

>>2760306
>>2760311
For a little more you could get a mamiya c330 with an 80mm lens. They have a bar to show the parallax. Interchangeable lenses, interchangeable viewfinders, and bellows focusing.

I wanna get into Medium format. How's the Mamiya 645 as a first camera? Also how do you guys scan your 120 negs? Is it possible to do it with a DSLR just like with 35mm or will I have to invest in a proper scanner?

>>2760847
I personally think that if you're going to jump into medium format 645 isn't enough of a difference from 35mm. I would recommend a 6x7 or bigger even if you get less shots out of it. RB67 + 90mm isn't a bad start if you don't mind the weight and bulk and already have a decent tripod. If you want something for walking about you should look at the posts above for a TLR.

DSLR will work if you have a good macro lens, keeping the focus plane flat is important and if you already have a setup for your 35mm this is the obvious option. Since you have a lot more to work with you should experiment with stitching multiple images of the same negative for extra resolution just make sure you get a dedicated image stitching program (I've had trouble with stitching negatives in Photoshop in the past but ymmv).

>>2760851
Microsoft ICE has yet to fail me on stitching my negatives back together. Have yet to find any artefacts.

>>2760851
thanks for the input. Seems like the RB67 and the 645 are around the same price so I will probably just get a RB67 shipped from Japan or something. Does the camera screw on a normal tripod mount or will I need a special plate?

Also this might sound like a stupid question, but is there a focal length magnifying/reducing factor between 35 equivalent and MF? So, would a 90mm lens be equivalent to 90mm on 35mm?

>>2761179

90 is the normal lens for a 6x7. I did the 127, which is a little telephoto. The rb has a normal tripod socket, but it is heavy, so make sure your tripod can handle it.

>>2761184
I was looking for something a bit wider desu and there's a kit for sale with the 65mm so I'm probably gonna go with that.

I'll have to see if my tripod can handle it then I guess.

Thanks for the help, appreciate it!

>>2760302
Yeah, bruzz.

>>2761179
Rule of thumb approximation for 6x7 is divide focal length by 2 for 35mm equiv. That is only for 6x7. 645, 6x9 have different multipliers. Hence a Sekor 180mm is about 90mm on 35mm. If you plan to do a decent amount of handheld snapshitting, I recommend the 65mm/f4.5. It is "relatively" easy to focus, and has a nice field of view. For portraits the 180mm is sweet but oh so much harder to nail focus with. As the previous anon said, be sure you have a heavy duty tripod....the RB isn't light. Also, if you are doing field work where you will be setting and tearing down multiple times, a quick release plate is almost mandatory.

>>2761189

The 65 is probably your best bet for a wide lens with that cam. Good call.

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D-do 50yo box cameras even qualify for a MF thread?

>>2762309
Yes, but try to still think about subject and composition instead of relying on the novelty of the camera you're using.

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>>2762309
I think so.
This was 8 minutes, I think.
Box Brownie and Rollei Ortho 25.
>>2762354

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portra 400 / mamiya tlr

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>>2762781
Did you scan that yourself? It's missing a lot of contrast.

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>>2762784
yeah you're right. I guess I was just turned off by the saturation in the greens and yellows and overlooked everything else

oh and i scanned it with an v500

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So I just got this. I guess I'll be in these threads from now on.

I got pretty much a whole darkroom along with it, including tanks and a pair of Durst color enlargers with nice timers and lenses, matting and cutting stuff, the works. None of it had been touched in almost 10 years, so the chems and film were all bad.

I think I'll start out by shooting some B&W, souping it in the bathroom, and scanning it. Later this week will probably involve a trip to Freestyle photo for chems, a changing bag, and film.

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>>2764787
>So I just got this. I guess I'll be in these threads from now on.

congrats my man. MF just makes life more merrier.