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Ok, so a model agency in my city just e-mailed...
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Ok, so a model agency in my city just e-mailed and asked me if i want to make ”test shoots” for them.
That the agency both have new models that need to build their portfolios and models already working that sometimes want to improve their portfolio.
They are asking me what I would like to be paid by the model if I’d do test shoots of them.
The photographers usually charge between 85-160 EUR inc makeup and styling (4-5 photos and they pay on the spot directly to me)
They end by saying that they already think i shoot awesome both men and women…

What should I do?? I was thinking it would be interesting to say ”charge me nothing.. but give me a great stylist and lets work magic..” or is that stupid? what would u do? i feel it would be a great experience of course but a bit afraid i cant deliver top-images.. i've never worked like this before.. if anyone has - please give me advice!! thank you

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>>2753576
>”charge me nothing.. but give me a great stylist and lets work magic..”

LMAO! that would work if youre the young helmuth newton..
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>>2753587
ok i might have exaggerated a bit but you know what i mean..
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Consider "collaborating" with them for 2 or 3 shots by simply giving them your time, make it clear that after a few test runs you can pick a direction for future business
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>>2753576
They want to pay you, why would you turn down the money and do the work anyway?
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I would say charge 30 bucks a head, but make it clear that the model is responsible for hair and makeup and clothes

Have them come in wearing casual clothes, hair down, conservative makeup for the first set, then have them go fix up a hairstyle, makeup style, and change clothes for the second set.

Shoot another model's casual set as the previous model is working on hair and makeup.
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>>2753610

he is insecure as fuck about his photos. i say hes not ready if hes shitting his pants like this at this point.
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>>2753613
>Hey guys I want to make money with photography
>Hello sir, I like your photography, I'd like to pay you to do it!
>No no, don't pay me, just give me MUA and hair
>But sir, we'd like to pay you... this will potentially be a lot of work
>No no, it's fine. I'll get experience and exposure. I can put this on my resume so that I can attract more work that I won't ask to be paid for.

OP, if you do the job for free, you're undercutting your local market, and de-valuing photography services. The agency, and the models, will go to the next photographer and say "$200??? The last guy did it for free! I'll give you $25."

Don't be short sighted.
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>>2753601
mm thats what i usually do.. safe card

>>2753610
just have a feeling that i wont deliver as great results as the old guy they had, but itll show i guess.. any other general recommendations regarding this kind of job approach before i respond to this deal?
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>>2753615
>They end by saying that they already think i shoot awesome both men and women…

They see your work. They know what they're trying to pay for. Unless you feel that your portfolio isn't a good representation of what you're capable of...
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>>2753612
aight good advice! thx
>>2753613
mmye.. i kinda feel it hard to measure the good and bad within photography. i cant just take this one word from a single person form the model agency .. i need more feedback, pherhaps from models/photographers around to feel safe. thats why i think its a smooth transistion by not charging so much in the beginning..

>>2753614
ye i also try keep this in mind. in case i start out with low charge - a couple of weeks / months ahead my intentions would to be going up in price
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>>2753615
show a picture by the old guy, and one of yours. otherwise troll thread.
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>>2753617
maybe its not enough.. i havent got too much on females. anyway f*ck it ill go aheead and take the deal, whats the worst that could happen.. ill network a little and get to know more models. a coffee before hand everytrhing with the agency booking manager would pherhaps be a good idea to get comfortable before anything else. thx all
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>>2753619
ok hang on give me a minute, let me have a look and ill post one of his and one of mine.. ill try make it a fair comparison in means of "what was included in the shoot" if i can..
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Never sell yourself under your value OP
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ok here we go. c&c away.. im on the right.. he is on the left.. do i stand a chance? i would suspect that a clear difference is that he has more studio-time experience while ive been shooting more outdoors. dont know if its good or bad.. looking forward to hear what u tthink

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>>2753640
I have no critique to give other than to point out that your photos have a lot of different looks, and you may want to settle on just a few to show, or focus on, for work like this. Consistency is a huge plus for agencies and the like. But it's not a huge deal.

May I ask your lighting setup for the image that I have circled? I have been trying to get my skin to behave that way (nice shiny diffused highlights, with quick dramatic falloff while still being filled in somewhat) for a long time, and have been struggling.

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>>2753642
>Im a retard that literally cant discern between left and right!

Translated by Bing!
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>>2753642
i wouldnt know, the left-side photos is the other guy. and yes, ive got a lot of different looks in this particular comparision (thought id share some a somewhat wide range of variations to showoff what i got) but once i settle with the agency for model test-shoots.. id keep it consistent. but, am i all bad or what? i never really worked closely with a MUA/Stylist etc.. mostly i do solo which is both good and bad i guess..
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Are you showing us a wide range of your photos to show us what you can do, or just because you don't have enough of the same style photos to show consistency?
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>>2753657
i dont know.. him and me are different in style i guess (i havent worked with a model agency handing me models to shoot like this) i show what i have for u to translate it best u can for the job im asking about: am i qualified enough according to u? will my techniques be enough and suit the purpose in the long run? attaching an extra screendump of recent job for webshop where there is "consistency" i guess(?) thx for the help

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>>2753640
As mentioned it looks like you haven't really settled on a "thing". This isn't bad, but it's not good either, I think it's just a sign that you haven't had as much work in the field to allow yourself to develop your own "thing". I'm in the same position. Take whatever you can get working with/for other people and keep working on figuring out what it is that -you- do that way people will hire -you-
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>>2753671
yeah i guess.. it'll show. but obviously the agency wants me and i'll find and settle for a look that they approve (mixed old photographer with my bw/portratis styles i usually go with.. ) all this aside...judging from my previous works that im showing here today - will i deliver decent images or do you think the other guys photos are much much better? i need to feel confident when taking on this.. thats why i need feedback, even on previous works to see "where i am" in the game.. thx
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>>2753675
You clearly know what you're doing technically and you know how to process for that fashion-model look. It's clear that the other guy's work is more interesting composition-wise. If they want you then they have their reasons, just go with it. Make sure you study work they've published in the past, but also remember that if these are test shots for new models they're putting the pressure on the model, not you.
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>>2753681
lovely! will do that. thank you sir
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Dudes, please. You get that all wrong. Let me clearify that:

The agency is searching for photographers they can place. As OP said, the MODEL will pay (and choose) the photographer to work with. This is common praxis among semi-professional agencies. A pro-ageny would pay and choose the photographer for the model, of course (and stylists, crew, catering etc etc.).

What does this mean? It means that a decision about pricing should orientate on the models, who want decent photos but aren't rich. Too cheap is no good, to expensive is no good.

The actual winner of this situation is (ofc) the agency. They build up their portfolio without spending any money. They just had to pad some photographer's shoulders and then let their models spend their own (you don't want to know how) hard earned money on the illusion of getting any further in the busibess this way.

So, if OP would be a real pro he'd say to the agency: 'Go fuck yourself, and if you want to book me, pay me. Otherwise I could offer some poor models my service myself.'
But if OP just want to shoot some poor models then make a decent price and go ahead.

Because on thing I can assure you: If you start getting involved into the semi-pro and slightly tricking business, you'll never get a serious career out of that.
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>>2753690
argh, damnit i cant decide now.. need to find out the details around how much time and effort is expected in these 4-5 images, if its not a big deal.. just a few bw-snaps per model and they come to my studio, pherhaps i could squeeze it into my schedule .. otherwise ill take ur pro-style advice and say fuck off
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>>2753698
>pro-style advice and say fuck off
that's not "pro" at all mate

just do your best in every circumstance available. take it as an opportunity to advance in the market. remember it's all about networking and making a name for yourself

also don't pussy out like you're doing right now if they contacted you they've seen your work and they know what to expect

you had it right here >>2753618
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>>2753618
>a couple of weeks / months ahead my intentions would to be going up in price
Charging what you're worth in the beginning, and giving the quality they expect, is a LOT more palatable for the client than a dream low-ball in the beginning, followed by "Now I would like to be paid four times as much for the same work" after a few months.
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>>2753640
>do i stand a chance?
Of course you do. They've already seen your work, and are offering you a spot in their stable.

I'd focus on getting really good at one style of lighting though. Do it a ton for like six months so that you know it dead cold, and build your portfolio to have a lot more of a similar style. Showing that you can be versatile is great, and shows you can be flexible, but having a consistent look gives a lot more confidence when your client knows what they're looking for. It shows you can be relied upon to regularly produce the look they want.
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>>2753576

don't be a noob. These people have money.

Get paid. Get paid well. Be courteous and professional.

It helps to type up a professional looking bill invoice with your info at the top and a breakdown of costs.
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>i dont want to get payed
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how did you get started with photographing models?

i want to get into it but i just moved to a new city and have no portfolio whatsoever, so no model is going to consider being my subject, and im not sure how to go about asking qts at work without coming off like a creep
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>>2753698
hey, from what you've shown, you are ok. stop wasting time and prep your set-ups. take the job and do your best.
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>>2753828
If you can't ask people on the street, then you have to hire them. Find an agency, or model mayhem or something.
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>>2753828
I guarantee you have at least 5 amateur models on your fb friends list. Just ask them. It's a win win
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>>2753734
pleb. that's the reason you don't come to anything. the biggest trap in business is to do anything, anytime for anyone. .. you know, that's the difference between a whore and an escort.
with this attitude you will stay a loser, and funny enough you won't get it because a simple fact: every bitch with aesthetic potential to become an escort CAN become also a whore. but a bitch without the aesthetic potential CANNOT become an escort, regardless how hard she tries. .. I guess your 'aesthetic potential' will not be sufficient for anything beyond a whore. so you make the best out of it and claim whoreship would be the way.

.. sad.
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I want your connection. For a agency to contact you about paid shoots you are crazy to not go for it
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>>2753828
This >>2753909 and also, learn to ask. What's worked for me is to be confident and casual (easy to remember too). 9 out of 10 times people are flattered that you want to take photos with them. The worst they can say is no, in which case you just shrug and move on to the next person you'd like to photograph. It helps if you had a small portfolio to show off, or share with them first, so it removes some of the "creep" vibe (if they know you're a photographer, regardless of skill, it'll make it that much easier for it not to seem like such an odd request or out of the blue).

Word of warning though: be careful with this at work. I'm a firm believer in not shitting where you eat. If you creep a girl out where you work, that's a bad rep to have at a place that pays your bills.
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>>2753920
>sad
lmao
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