Pick a point and shit.

>>2707662
the pentax has a whole line of lenses

>>2707662
are the pickles kosher?

>>2707698
Mega pickles from B&H are always kosher

pocket?

rx100 1-4

>>2707662

a friend had the Q. its small as fuck. its shit.

>>2707662
Pentax Q is a fun system. Great for travel. Low light performance is a bit sucky.

01 prime is good. 06 zoom is good, a constant f2.8 70-200 equivalent that is jaw dropingly tiny.

02 kit lens is a bit sucky.

03 fisheye is toy/lomo like.

Would like to try the 08 wide zoom one day.

If you use an adapter, you can easily get 1500mm focal lengths using adapted lenses.

>>2707733
And you get full DSLR menus and functions.

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>>2707662
Q is constructed wonderfully. It works well, but its images are nothing jaw-dropping. The quick dial is a wonder once you get it right too. Perfect travel camera for cheapskates.

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>>2707850

Go mirrorless they said

>>2707662
both are junk.

>>2707867
That set up is taking advantage of the 5x crop factor when using adapted lenses to get one hell of a telephoto set up for low cost.

>>2707734
>>2707733
And yet they are still having a hard time developing a dedicated macro lens, and all of the extension tube accessories are too long to be used properly with the system

>>2707888
Yep, there is no one perfect camera system.

I happen to need a camera like Pentax Q, but I'm poor. Looks like I could get the body for below 100 bucks. I've got two Pentax K-mount lenses for my film cameras, 2.8/40 pancake and a 4/35-70 zoom, is it worth it plonking these on with an adapter or should I save up to buy a Q body with a lens?

>>2707920

You pretty much need the Q line of lenses. that 40 mm 2.8 would be a 224mm equivalent on the Q.

>>2707888
buy 50mm 2.8 1:1 macro lens.
you can now see your micro penis.

>>2707888
why would I use that camera for macro?

>>2707662
>I want to get a pocket camera.
>what do I chose between fairly cheap cameras?
unless you wanted to get something rly gud, for a point and shoot I'd advise to use your phone

if your phone doesn't have a camera then it might be a good time to get a new phone, the z5 series is pretty strong on photography

>>2707662
Pentax Q is a great camera, I have a couple, always carry one in my coat pocket.
Been using the Shield Mount lens lately.
I also have an adapter and use all of my Hasselblad lenses on my Q.
If you get it and don't like it, give it to a girlfriend or a child learning about photography.
Bigger sensor than a cellphone, can be adapted to use almost any lens ever made.
I have even attached the Q to my 14" Schmidt-Cassegrain telescope.
Treat yourself this holiday season, make it a Q for Christmas.

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>>2708060
>less than half the sensor size of a Q
>surrounded by EMF from 5 radios and processor
Phones will always be shit compared to ~300 pocket or mirrorless. pic related

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>>2708074
I know Merrils are shit in all except some few select situations, but that photo made my eyes cum buckets.

>>2708068
Post some photos for us.

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>>2707662

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>>2708167
Sure,
Pentax QS-1, Hasselblad Planar 80mm f2.8

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>>2708167
Here is another,
Pentax QS-1,Celestron Schmidt*Cassegrain 14" f11

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>>2708340
not gonna lie man . . . those look like trash.

>>2707662

I just got a Lolympus TG-860 waterproof and shockproof camera. Swivel screen is nice. Images are nothing special, probably slightly above cellphone quality but you won't kill it and the selfie mode is ridiculously easy

>>2708456
1/1.7" sensor.
what did you expect?
magick?

>>2707662
would this be a good first camera? or is it too limited to be able to learn from?

>>2708574
there are better choices but this would work fine. has a manual mode = good enough

>>2708575
thanks, Im mainly interested in the low price point. under 400 for camera and lens, thats pretty good

>>2708574
> would this be a good first camera?
... there is no such thing, You can grab an average professional camera right now and shoot with that. Won't make you learn faster or slower, but the photos will be better.

The main reason why people don't do this is no money.

>>2708576
It is pretty close to standard pricing for 3-4 years old small sensor cameras.

You kinda get what you paid for.

How is this for street? I guess the size could a real advantage right?

fuji x10 / x30 fuccboi

The Q is a great system.

>>2707662

RX100
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>>2708074
>>2708082

Why are Foveon sensors said to be hard to use and implement?

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>>2708540

It does look like shit for what it is.

I get betters images out of my A60 with only a 1/2.7 sensor.

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Pentax Q, iphone sensor size.

LOL!

>>2712459
Seem they require a lot more processing power and data to than a regular bayer cmos, and the raw files are huge.

Sigma is also a very small player whose main focus is lenses and not camera bodies, meaning they'll be lacking know-how and resources the bigger players have at their disposal. Pretty sure some more established manufacturer could produce a more user-friendly piece of hardware centered around a Foveon sensor, it's too bad no one else seems to be interested though.

>>2712475

Why would a small company like Sigma even bother?

>Seem they require a lot more processing power

How do you know?
Is the battery life shit?

How much bigger of a file are we talking about?
Are cameras nice / even worth looking into?

>>2712471
Actually, iPhones have a 1/3" sized sensor with a 7.7x to about an 8x crop factor, the Q has a 1/2.3" sensor with about a 5x crop factor

OP here again.

Scored an original Q with the 01 prime new in the box with all the accessories for $180 shipped.

I'll give it a whirl and see what I think. If I don't like it I'll give it to my mom for Christmas.

If its good I might upgrade to a Q7 and give this toy mom.

>>2712482
>Why would a small company like Sigma even bother?

Because they want to, apparently. This article as some background on the company/foveon, if you're interested.

http://blog.mingthein.com/2015/08/27/exclusive-interivew-kazuto-yamaki-ceo-sigma/


The DP2M RAWs are ~45 MB. (compare ~15 for a bayer camera with same resolution)

The Battery life is pretty bad. Like, really bad.

After taking a picture you have to wait quite long for the camera to process the image.

The ISO performance above ISO400 is pretty bad.

Also no lightroom support, and Sigma's own software is a pretty ugly thing. Like,painful to use.


But it does take some pretty awesome pictures in the right circumstances if you're willing to put up with all that. Has a level of colors and microcontrast you don't really see much outside of medium format.

>>2712720

Thanks for the link.

Wouldn't the file size make sense because of the three layer colour filter?

If the battery life is bad why don't they start making large DSLRs with the battery grip integrated like the 1Ds/D3 and put in a better vector processor?

Why doesn't lightroom support it?

Do you know what makes the increased sensitivity levels so bad?

I also appreciate the time you took to answer my questions.

>>2712858
It's time to do a bit of your own research.

>>2707662
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I have no clue what this is but I wanted to share a camera I got the other day that could be a pocket camera in 1900

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>>2712858
>Wouldn't the file size make sense because of the three layer colour filter?
Yes. Pentax' Pixel-shift technique which kind of achieves similar results (but obviously only works on images shot with a tripod) also suffers from massive raw file size.

>If the battery life is bad why don't they start making large DSLRs with the battery grip integrated like the 1Ds/D3 and put in a better vector processor?
They did, the SD1 Merill. No battery grip tho AFAIK. And same processor. Why no better processor? Who knows. Could be $$$, or trouble sourcing one, could be a software issue, what ever.

>Why doesn't lightroom support it?
Ask Adobe. Lightroom also has a hate relationship with Fuji's X-trans sensors (shitting up their image quality), which use a different subpixel-pattern instead of the traditional RGBG Bayer matrix found in pretty much all other cameras. The entire concept of Foveon is way different compared to both, so Adobe would most likely need to build an entirely new rendering system. Which is to say, why bother with such massive amount of work for such a marginal camera?

If the much bigger (and no doubt easier to fix) Fuji is an afterthought priority for Adobe, I wouldn't hold any breath seeing support for the much less popular and more complex Foveon tech in LR.


>Do you know what makes the increased sensitivity levels so bad?
Probably because of the way the sensor works. Google up the idea behind Foveon and you'll understand. The newer DP2 Quattro is also slightly better (but still nowhere as good as regular CMOS sensors) in terms of ISO performance, but it seems to have lost some of that nice color bite/pop the DP2 Merrill had in the process, which is a pity.

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should be here Friday.

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>>2707662
any owners of ricoh GR, coolpix A, or X100? i like my 28mm compact.

>>2714245
I have a GR. The whole

D U S T
U
S
T

meme is true, but it's pretty easy to disassemble the camera to clean the sensor.

>>2712524
Bit late to the party but, once you get hooked on the Q you'll be eyeing the Q7 with the larger sensor. It's better in every way, basically. Q01 lens is a great lens and Q02 ain't bad for the price either.

Aftering busting my Q02 I've since moved on to the Fujifag X30, which is a much better camera and more feature-ful with it's wifi and film sim modes. The JPGs are also better. Both systems are great - I'm sure you won't be disappointed.

>>2714279
that thought crossed my mind.
But i have a K-5 and 6x9 film. If i want high res i have options.

the Q7 did however have some pretty impressive HD video though. the video from the original Q is pretty ugly.

>>2714279
whats the real difference between the Q10 and Q7?

>>2714820
Sensor size mostly.

>>2714820
Q and Q10 virtually the same IQ.
Q10 has worse build quality however.

Q7 also has worse build quality than the Q but has a drastically better sensor and Video capabilities.

Camera came today. Gonna run out tomorrow for some shots.

First impressions are good. Camera feels great. Build quality is awesome. Menus and controls are just like my K5.

Handling is a tad hard because of how small it is, but I stole a thumb grip off of another camera and it helps.

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What's the Panasonic TZ70 like?

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I was looking at the Q10 very recently too.
Only thing that put me off was finding a newish Q10 that includes the 01 and 08 lens at a reasonable price.
Every mofo is either selling it with the 02, or has the 01 and 08 but also includes every hunk of shit 'toy' lens in between and want nearly a grand for it all.

>>2716212
It's an okay-ish travel zoom camera for what it is supposed to do, but that's it. Has a nice EVF but don't expect any miracles from both the sensor and especially the lens - even if it has LEICA written on it. It's not a legit Leica lens, they only did the formula/design of it.

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>>2716182
snapshits inbound.

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>>2716620

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>>2716622

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>>2716624

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>>2716620
could you perhaps post the unedited jpg? Wanna see how it looks like straight off the cam without any PP

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>>2716628
I shot them in RAW but heres as close to a OOC shot as i can give you.

The working range of this camera is definitely close, it needs close subject matter.

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Other small notes.

The camera makes the most disgusting sound when it turns on. Literally it makes me sick.

The autonfocus and shutter are completely silent, AF is fast. But the card write time is kind of slow. After two shots or so it gets shutter lag because its writing to the card.
I need some kind of lower hand grip though.

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>>2707662

I don't know why Panasonic never comes up in P&S threads, all of the LX series has been fantastic.

Why anyone would buy a GR, or even bat an eye at the Q, when you can have one of these is beyond me. They don't always win on spec sheets, but LX camera's are always great to use.

It's more expensive than a Q, but the Q is shit.

>>2716749
Because in the $700 price range I would be looking at totally different cameras. I spent like $170 on something much much smaller.

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Wanted the 18mm and 50mm, got the 24mm and camera/flash because price. Hope lenses are good/clean copies.
Got PK to PQ adapter with tripod mount.
Got P-110 to PQ adapter.
Would have got PK to PQ tilt-shift if it wasn't US$150+

>>2708358
Pretty

>>2718047
Post photos soon brah

>>2716749
>Why anyone would buy a GR

Larger sensor, better handling, snap focusing, truly pocketable, and about $200 cheaper

I'm new to photography, what's the best camera I can get under 200 dollars?

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>>2716749
mine negor

Picked one up for $400, basically the same performance as an EOS 7D + 2.8 zoom, but with faster AF in low light (single, not tracking). DFD autofocus is kind of amazing, it actually got me using autofocus again instead of just leaving focus at 2 meters like on the Ricoh GR. I've been using it instead of my 7D for work.
It has a few weird quirks here and there, and it chokes with tracking AF, but it's an amazing little camera.

>11 FPS with mechanical shutter and 40 FPS with electronic shutter shooting RAW
>Fast DFD autofocus
>Really fast autofocus
>Reeeally fast autofocus
>Really fast even when it's dark
>shutter speed dial and aperture ring

Some firmware fixes, a depth-of-field scale, and removal of the annoying tardmode button is all it needs to be pretty much perfect.

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>>2718089
>slow boat from china
give it a month
month and a half before i even know if it will arrive or not
also: yes

>>2718130

your smartphone or a cheap super zoom if that's what you're missing on your phone.

>>2718254
That's not really an answer,
I can't afford a phone with a good camera.

>>2718130
canon ae1

>>2718277
Thank you for actually answering.
This is a film camera, right?
I can't find too much information on it.

>>2708358
How on earth do you take photos like this?

>>2718993

With a camera mounted to a telescope.

>>2708358
smudgy.
use base iso.
or a real camera.

>>2718548
>I can't find too much information on it.
kek, it's one of the most popular / common 35mm cameras ever made.

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Belca Beltica 1 with a Zeiss Tessar 50mm f/2.8 is obviously the only choice.

>>2718993
Attached my QS-1 to a T to Q adapter, then a T ring and T adapter to my
Celestron, Schmidt Cassegrain 14" telescope, did my polar aligning and turned on the tracking motor.
I also used a IR remote to trigger the Q.
Used prime focusing, could have also mounted the telescopes eyepieces and given myself some better closeups, but it was cold and I was being lazy.

>>2719001
I agree the focus was off, I should have tethered it to my tablet, but I was lazy.
Focusing the Q, with a sliver thin prime focus, in the dark at night is not a lot of fun, the rear screen leaves a lot to be desired.
I was using an a7 during the eclipse and at the end I decided to to see what the QS-1 could pull off.
I use a bunch of cameras, but I always have the Q with me since it fits in my shirt pocket.

>>2716749
I am currently thinking of buying one of these for video as it delivers super sharp 4k video.

I also want a Ricoh GR but I can't justify having a A7 + Sigma 30mm

>>2720482
Does the E-mount 30mm cover full frame?

>>2720482
just remove the rear baffle, shoot raw and apply lens correction on lightroom or zoom 1.2x and you got yourself a Sony FE 2.8 for 130€

>>2720504
meant for >>2720493

>>2718277
>>2718548
Under 200 dollars you could find a much better camera than that plastic crap fest.

>>2720710
such as?

>>2721326
An AE1-Program.

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>>2718089
>post photos
Q7 and 01 just arrived
very kawaii
I get the feeling it might be the 'small camera' my dad has been looking for.
Will test properly when i get out and about.
The 110 and adapters .. i got the feeling you were interested in that.. may take a month or more to get here, so don't hold your breath.

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Q or Q7?

>>2724317
Q and Q10 sensor are smaller than Q7 sensor

>>2718130
old used dslr:
Pentax k200 or k10 with kit-lens and m 50mm f1.7

or something similar.

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>>2722021
Adaptors still in transit, so just gearfag shots OF the gear so far.

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What are your custom settings for street photography on the Ricoh GR?

>>2726127
Why don't you go out and shoot something without a telephoto? You got that prime right? Just go do it.

>>2707662
used sony rx100. amazing image quality. f/1.8 at widest zoom. small enough to fit in a pocket.

>>2726175
Manual.
ISO 100.
f8 and 1/500.
Snap focus at 1,5m. (af on button set to one shot)
Raw.
Metering set to spot, so if I need to change it I just pick something that looks of average luminosity and meter off it using the +/- rocker (it automatically gives you an aperture priority meter setting in Manual mode)

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>>2726273
>2k15
>Being sanctimonious about focallenghts

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>>2726723
we love you eggy

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>>2726743

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Oh yeah, after getting the PK to PQ adapter today, and putting a few PK lenses on it I have come to the conclusion that it's not worth adapting to the PQ.
A 10-17mm lens is effectively 46mm and totally impossible to get a focussed/sharp image from even with focus peaking. Possible to get a good image I'm sure, but compared to just using the PQ 01 lens it's pointless.
I might get some joy from the 18, 24, and 50mm 110 lenses at (about 40, 50, and 100mm respectively on the PQ if their centre half is particularly sweet, and the fixed-f/2.8 aperture results in easy hyperfocal. But I doubt they will be more useful or cooler in visual or functional-ease appeal than the 01 lens.

That said there is potential for it to be useful for adapting long lenses to get fiendishly looooong focallengths, but unless the lens is seriously stabilized it's probably also nearly as pointless as adapting wide lenses.
I'll get around to putting the PQ behind my 1000mm/10 sooner or later... I don't see a moon right now... and looking to the west in Australian summers is atmospheric distortion central anyway.

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Having all this crap on my side table at once is weird.
Slightly Gullivers Travels-esque.

To anyone thinking of a Q:
Get a Q7 because bigger sensor.
Either just go for the 02 lens and resist buying anything else.
Or get the 01 and 08 lens.
Only bother with adapters if you plan to put it on long focallenghts and can seriously stabilise.
Or if you plan to mount it on a microscope.

Now if only the 08 lens wasn't nearly $400...

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>>2726127
auto 110 i love this camera, shame about the lens not being adapatable to dslr always loved my lens for it

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>>2726920
110 lenses would be ideal on a 4/3drs sensor, by the looks of it.. dunno about flange distances though..

>>2726919
Go take photos. No one wants to hear a rehash of the obvious.

Don't tell us the bigger sensor is worth it. Go prove it.

>>2727006
no

>>2726922
They work on 4/3
There are adapters, I have a couple
Coverage is fine, infinity focus is no problem
Works fine, even use them with my a7 (OK, lots of vignetting)

Here is a video of a guy using a 50mm Auto-100 lens on a 4/3 Olympus

https://youtu.be/CTQs6Ufn978

>>2726886
Does the Q line work with the O-GPS module?

>>2729477
>No. It does not.
http://support.us.ricoh-imaging.com/node/1676

>>2707662
Pantax.

>>2721326
Olympus, pentax, nikon. Cameras that are made of metal and dont require batteries for their use.

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What do you guys think of the pentax wg series? Not sure why but they really appeal to me.

>>2730445

My dad has one of these. He goes rock climbing with it and takes it with him on his week-long hikes. That camera is made for that kind of audience I guess.

>>2730445
shit photos, but there is a video somewhere on youtube where this one guy tries to destroy it and its virtually indestructible. I think he throws it in a fire and leaves it there for like 5 min and gets the start menu to glitch a bit, but i think it still took pictures.

>>2730619
found it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndTJlE_jOFQ

>>2730445
looks like something an alien would stick in your ass, but whatever gets the job done.

>>2712471
Why do people buy 4/3 and lower

>>2730847

olympus and panasonic make some really absurdly good m4/3 cameras and lenses.

people buy smaller for convenience and portability.

>>2714245
I have the GR. Fantastic camera. Tons of settings clearly designed for photographers. No regrets

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>>2716749
Could anyone give their input in deciding between the LX100 and Samsung NX500? I've been saving money for the LX100 for two months, but found out about the NX500 today. It's only £5 cheaper, but offers so much more than the LX100 from what I've found so far, and I'm leaning in the direction of NX500 now.
I'm buying in 3 days, someone please talk me in/out of the NX500.

>>2733299

NX500 won't give you equivalent objective for any feasible price (18-55 objective is darker than LX100's). LX100 already has the excellent objective.

If you already have another camera which you remotely like, buy NX500.

If you do not, buy LX100 which will serve much better without additional investments.

>>2733345
But wouldn't the larger sensor compensate for that by allowing more light in? In the image quality comparisons that I've seen, the NX500 has more colour depth and the images look nicer with it.

>>2707712
underrated post

>>2716622
is this in Saint Paul?

>>2733540
>But wouldn't the larger sensor compensate for that by allowing more light in?

No, because the objective of LX100 has much bigger speed.

> the images look nicer with it.

There is no specific beauty in any digital image if you record it in RAW.

Of course there are specific cameras which produce worse output in terms of colours (Canon, digital medium format, cameraphones), but colour of NX500's sensor is not significantly better than LX100's (I am not talking about much bigger resolution and base dynamic range).

NX500 is better if you consider much wider selection of objectives but it does not seem that you may take an advantage from it. Do not try to hit the sky unless you really need it. LX100 wll make you happier and it's certainly not the last camera in your life.

I was offered a DSLR to replace my bridge cameras with mechanical zoom ring twice and rejected the offer until I felt that I was ready for advanced technology. I do not regret.

12 MP is enough for any practical appliance.

>>2733596
>but colour of NX500's sensor is not significantly better than LX100's

Even more: you won't pass a bilnd testing to discriminate colour of NX500 from colour of LX100.

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Is the Q line dead? The Q-S1 hasn't seen an upgrade in like a year and a half.

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>>2707850
>red dot sight

>>2726919
What about Pentax Q toy lenses?

>>2736493
Pentax should made a QS-2 with a micro four thirds or APS-C sensor. A camera that small with a good sensor will be great.

>>2730870
>tons of settings clearly designed for photographers

Who else would you be designing settings for when creating a camera?

>>2738828
Consumers.

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just got this today. what lens should I mount on it? I have 15mm 31mm 70mm and 100mm primes the 100 is a macro.

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>>2739291
hunnit milli, post dickpics

>>2736493
The Q should have been their Interchangeable lens action camera, it was just a matter of making a body in cube shape. Pentax is already know for their weather sealed cameras...

>>2738640
Much faster to frame things when using super-teles.

>>2707850
What am i fucking looking at?