>>680285 oh come now. there's plenty of room on slow sluggish /out/ for a hammock thread. also, not everyone is sick of the threads, and not everyone has seen hammock threads before. it's winter for chrissake, let us banter
>>680294 >How neccessary is an underquilt? can i nigger rig something instead? you need under insulation for cold weather, period. it doesn't have to be anything fantsy - the perfect material is an old sleeping bag that you hang or negro-rig on the outside. underquilts are cut and designed for their purpose, but they're all just a blanket of insulation. anything will work. don't use an underquilt until after you've camped a few times. in warm weather you don't need it, as it gets cooler out you'll know when you've hit your personal threshold for an underquilt. now, some people use an underquilt all year, and don't bother with a sleeping bag/internal blanket until it gets cold out. that seems pretty reasonable as well. the underquilt does help block wind and it cocoons around you when you're in the hammy, so if it's warm it'll be fine by itself. i just prefer having my Linus blanker in there with me is all
>Can i use ratchet straps instead of tree huggers or fancy shit? yup, i did this for a litte while. it's hard to find straps with an appropriate weight limit though, so be very careful. a lot of time the strap has a 500lb-1000lb rating but the ratchet mechanism itself is much weaker. for horizontal hanging you want at least ~1000lb ratings. read into the physics of this to get an understanding of the powerful and unexpected forces actually at play!
>Do i need an ultralight tarp? Can a plain tarp be used instead? start with a plain tarp, if/when you get sick of it upgrade. plain tarps can be had for like $4 at harbor freight and do the job. they are kinda bulky and heavy, but if you don't have to hump the gear too far for camping then it doesn't matter. nobody respects a gearfag, be practical and get what you need for as little fuss and money as possible, always.
>Is a double hammock uncomfortable? haven't used one, haven't heard they're uncumpfy though
>Im fat, will 400lb load limits be enough/will it stretch you'll be fine m8, hammock will too
>>680294 You need something under you, pads are okay, quilts are better. I just made a cocoon, haven't taken it out yet.
Hammock straps are easy to make. 1" is adequate. Ratchet straps would be necessarily heavy.
I use a GI poncho. I have a friend who uses a vinyl tablecloth. You're just repelling rain, anything other than mesh will work fine. Tyvek is a good balance of cheap as fuck, light and rain proof.
Do you mean multiple layers, or for multiple people?
Depends a lot on what brand, materials quality of workmanship. I do have a 260lb buddy that uses a hammock. He'd probably recommend not using trees less than a foot across, but other than that, I think you'll be fine.
>>680387 >When you can't set up your hammock you still can sleep on the floor. >then the ants, mosquitoes, and beetles come fuck up your day What are you even going to sleep on top of? Your meme-quilt that compresses to shit? Have fun with all that heat loss through the ground.
Did I mention how useless they are on a thru hike such as the PCT? One extra pound + Straps just to swing around like a fucking retard. Hammocks are a meme anon, why didn't you get the memo?
>>680399 You can go ahead and hike an extra five miles to find a nice wide open, perfectly level spot with no exposed roots or damp ground. I'm gonna set up on this slope here, so the morning sun hits me as soon as it rises over that horizon.
>>680399 I slept on the floor during a lot of 0°F nights and trust me I'm still alive. Buy a good sleeping bag, if you need a fking matress to sleep /out/ then stay home. Hammock is not about confort, I think I sleep better on the ground, it's about sleeping in a place where you can't sleep on the groud because of rocks and shits.
The only thing you know about being /out/ is probably your garden anyway.
>>680401 >I'm gonna set up on this slope here, so this enormous pine cone hits me as soon as the sun rises. Fucking bird droppings too... >>680418 >I can just as easily throw my roll on the ground as I can hang it up. You still haven't addressed the bug or ground insulation issue. >You're prepared for only one situation. You mean that circumstance pioneers and mountain men have been using since the dawn of time?
>>680420 Yeah it opened feb 1st, there's another go around on the 15th or something as most dates filled up instantly. Near campo volunteers might try to get in your face, but there's probably going to be a bunch of hikers who are out of the loop anyways. They can't stop 1000 people from walking through the desert. As long as your passing through the national parks between your start and finish date, I don't think it matters. The PCTA just doesn't want 200 hikers to start the same day and be shitting all over the trail like last year.
>>680426 Well, I didn't want to miss registration, so I signed up for May 9th. Definitely later than I wanted, I was hoping to take some time to fish Washington before the pass. Glad you said something though, or I may have missed out on getting a permit at all.
>>680429 Just a simple collapsible rod for bait fishing. I'm less concerned about making miles than I am about enjoying the trip, and I have a WA resident fishing license anyway. If I don't finish this year, I'll finish next year.
>>680430 I for one gave up groundwelling in ~2001 and I've never looked back. It was such a great discovery. Changed errthing.
Here she is. I've since gotten a proper hammocka nd gear, but for years I would lug this cheep milsurp style hammy everywhere with me. Was glorious, even with just that narrow canvas stretcher to sleep on, even if it rained. I will always love that thing <3
>>680444 I think I got it at the Army Barracks up in N.Conway, NH. They can be had for like $30-$40. I put the dowel spreader bars in because it's so damned narrow it's hard to get into it. The spreader bars make it wobbly as fuck until you're settled down though. I have a DD hammock now which will hopefully last me 10+ years itself
>pic shows my DD hammock all encapsulated in its fitted tarps. the small hammock next to it is what's left of >>680439 i use it as a bench/seat while sitting around camp, and as easy access storage for my water bottle/boots/gear/etc while i'm sleeping
>>680451 i sleep in mine on my back, sides, and stomach. i don't have much trouble. i'm also pretty skinny and lanky so the hammock has plenty of room for me in all dimensions. there's some /out/ist who uses a "bridge hammock" model that has spreader bars so it's more like a cot, looks pretty cumpfy to me. might be better for you
I can side sleep fine as long as I have a pillow between my legs in my gathered end. I don't often side sleep in my hammock.
Honestly though, most people will adapt to sleeping in a hammock. I'm a side sleeper at home, but in a hammock I kind of just sleep on my back. Even when I side sleep, I always wake up in the morning and I'm on my back. You'll find you sleep different in a hammock.
>>680451 I sleep on the side, no problem there, it's okay comfortable but it takes some wiggiling to be on the side and supported properly. I'm skinny, so the size id the hammock is good for side sleeping. If you are a heavy guy I would use a double layer since side sleeping creates pressure points, more so than back sleeping.
>>680303 >for horizontal hanging you want at least ~1000lb ratings How big of a fat fuck are you where you need 1000lb straps. And what fucking hammock do you have that is rated for half a ton? I'm 210lbs and havent had a problem with 400lb rated straps.
>>680340 >You are just a ground dweller and you dont know how comfortable hammocks are. They're really not unless you like sleeping on your back.
I don't wanna make my own shit. What are good straps to hang my hammock? I just got a hammock after holding out for awhile. I heard whoopie slings are great but there are name brand options (atlas straps) at the same price point.
>>680781 On any rope, webbing or strap, you want to consider dynamic tensioning - when you move around, plop down in your hammock, etc. Knots, ties and rings stress the material a lot and locally multiply the tension factor. If you add a safety factor, this gives you a necessary rating of at least 8x your weight. A 700kg rating is usually considered the minimum.
>>680805 This is why 550 paracord is unsafe for hammock hanging (added to the fact it stretches and is weakened by water.) A lot of people have had paracord suspension snap on them and coccyx fracture is years of hell for you. This is also why you wouldn't rely on cheap, non-rated aluminium carabiners to support your weight even if they didn't break when you hung 70kg under them. This is common sense.
>. If you add a safety factor, this gives you a necessary rating of at least 8x your weight What the fuck are you talking about? Spacecraft dont even use a safety factor that high. And if you were to use a safety factor of 8, with a 100lb strap would mean you weigh 125lbs.
>>680805 >>680812 it's not just a matter of dynamic load, it's also horizontal shear force exherted on the sling. you aren't always going to get a low 30º or 40º hang, and you want something that can tolerate a weight load well above your "worst case scenerio". also, i like to hang my hammock tight, which vastly increases the shear weight.
Any of you hammock dudes who use official tarps as a cover, consider using a tent foot print for the same purpose? Reason I ask is that those light weight tarps never seem to go on sale, are overly priced and a tent footprint could do the same job for significantly less price.
>>680334 It's not a meme, and it won't be no matter how hard you try to make it one.
>>680381 Tarp is always necessary if you don't have a tent. A big or even a regular sized tarp can be made into a tent with a floor. Keeps you off the ground and works just as fine as a tent. I bet you're one of those people who camps besides their car. Just stay at home ffs.
>>680834 >horizontal shear force Wasn't aware of this anon. I did a bit of jewgling and found some comments from Derek (http://theultimatehang.com/2013/09/hammock-suspension-kit-new-hangers/) who claims to be the guy who wrote that calculator, and realized that we're likely using different metrics, breaking strength vs working load limit.
>>681879 being in a hammy under a taRp while it rains is one of the great pleasures of life. it's geborgenheit anon. and there's nothing like the peace of mind you get not being on the ground with all the mud and water and wriggly wraggly worm D:
Sleeping in a hammock for prolonged periods looks really bad for your back because of how you bend and lack of support. Having a sore back when you have to hump gear around is no bueno. Sleeping on the ground in a nice air mat on the other hand is heaven.
>have to sleep in a hammock for a few months while a bedbug problem is being fixed in my house >pain in the ass to get used to seeing as I'm a front sleeper that needs face contact with a pillow >finally find a wrap around pillow after a week of shitty sleeping >once into the swing of things I'm constantly getting up during the night to piss because I'm on an incline / semi sitting >finally piss myself one night because lol shitty sleep + sleep paralysis + cool night
who does a hammock look comfier than it actually is?
>>682021 >Sleeping in a hammock for prolonged periods looks really bad for your back because of how you bend and lack of support
this guy >>682021 if you're still around. I probably should have read a few posts before posting, but after sleeping for ~ 4 months exclusively in a hammock I can safely say that your back is in no danger at all. your night clothes maybe, but your knees are more likely seeing as hammocks have at least a requirement of laying on your side. the recurve on the other half of a hammock is likely to hyperextend your knees, like it did mine and will make your knees sore for the first few hours of the day
>>680812 Don't look at safety factors for solid objects, look at safety factors for rope. It's always at least 5x for non-overhead applications, usually around 8-10x for dangerous applications, up to 20x for fall protection. This is not very hard to achieve if you're not using hardware store rope.
>>680456 This weighs more than a tent. >>680911 Just look for nylon tarps on ebay/amazon, it's not rocket science. Walmart sells a 5x7 nylon tarp for less than 7 bucks. >>681015 >It's not a meme, and it won't be no matter how hard you try to make it one. Nice argument fagtron, you sure convinced me with those hot opinions. >>681039 >>681748 Back sleeping is closely linked to sleep apnea. You're going to get senile dementia and muscular dystrophy from your snoring when gravity forces your tongue into your airway. >>681883 >>681885 Except you're fucked when there is no trees around that day of your thru hike, unless you like bugs... >>682028 I don't know the exact figures but I know my tent weighs less than my double nest.
>>680309 >>680294 Hammocks will be fine if rated for 400 lbs I'm 250 with a wbbb I set it up behind my house when I got it and my sister got in (140ish) and I got in also (390ish lbs total) and it held fine I've used a few trees <6" diameter they do rock and move with you I doubt they would break but obviously be smart about your choice don't just assume any tree will hold cause some anonymous dude said it should work
>>680294 >>682200 Forgot to add Eno hammocks + slap straps will stretch when you sit in them So most people I see with them hang them damn near horizontal and when they get in it stretches to the approximately 30* angle that is best I have a wbbb (war bonnet black bird) and it does not stretch at all it is exceptionally nice and if you are willing to pay for it I fully believe it is worth the $200 for it
>>680451 I find side sleeping fine and even stomach sleeping to be pretty comfortable just make sure you have a good angle if you sleep straight along it and try side sleeping or stomach sleeping you'll be miserable
>>682028 For me my 4 season weighs in at ~7lbs 2lbs tarp bcusa 10x10 coyote 2lbs hammock wbbb 1.5lbs ish for hg incubator 20 + 2 ounces over stuff good down to single digits 1.5lbs ish for burrow 40 + 2 ounces over stuff In summer I can lose the top and under quilt and either bring a blanket or not depending on Temps I'm good in high-mid 60s no blanket
>>682320 This Last weekend I'm hiking and some guy comes up the trail with two dogs wearing those stupid vests, he calls out to me "they're friendly!" Cue dogs running up to me and going nuts around me. Yea your dogs might be friendly, but they're not fucking trained.
>>682238 For hammock vs tent camping With proper gear choice they have a negligible difference Hammock vs tarp only Tarp wins all day But for me personally hammock camping is just fun and more comfortable In Virginia so worrying about lack of trees is dumb If I was an ultralight kinda guy I would get a nice cuben fiber tarp and a nice mat and be done with it
I'm not so much an ultralighter as someone who started out as a milsurpfag because I was poorfag. There is no tent in milsurpfag backpacking, only two person shelter halfs and poncho hooches, so I've never slept in a tent on a hike before, only car camping.
My ruck is an Alice Large, which I like because the shortness and fatness gives you better mobility, and the external pockets make everything easy to find, but it's heavy as fuck at 7lb and has shitty straps so I'm looking for any way to reduce weight.
>>682483 I'm still not sold on cuben fiber, it has a high strength but they make the fabric so light that it seems prone to tear, I saw a cuben fiber backpack where one of the selling points was "easy to repair with duct tape".
Like I said in >>682238 I have a LW army poncho, I don't really see myself ever wanting anything lighter than thin treated ripstop or X-Pac unless it's significantly stronger and you can make an army poncho out of it.
Ok boys here's the deal. I have around $400 to spend on a hammock setup that I can comfortably sleep in. I will be using it in Michigan so it needs to be able to keep me warm down to 30F. Mosquito net is required, but not a rain tarp. I am 6'2 and 200 pounds. I tried sleeping in an eno single last year with a wool blanket and long underwear in 50f weather but it was still cold as fuck. Would I need an under quilt for summer nights where it can get down to 50F with wind? So what would work best for me, I heard a warbonnet is the best hammock you can buy, anybody have one?
>>682631 Get a Warbonnet Ridge Runner, add $6 ebay sleeping pad into pocket, get trekking poles to replace the hammock spreaders, throw in your $50 ebay down 15 degree sleeping bag, then throw it all in a huge fire and buy a tent.
>>682631 Get a Warbonnet Blackbird XLC, around $210 I think, great for people over 6'. Get a Snugpak Underblanket for around $50, if it gets under 70 at night you'll want at least that or a closed cell foam pad. You can use a sleeping bag instead of a top quilt, if it can get down to 50 this one might be good http://www.sierratradingpost.com/mountain-hardwear-35-f-pinole-ii-sleeping-bag-long-synthetic-mummy~p~8229j/?filterString=sleeping-bags~d~208%2Fspecdataor~temperature%20rating%3B21-plus%20degrees%2Fpriceor~%2435-%2499dotdot99%2F&colorFamily=01
or get an MSS sleep system for around the same price.
Warbonnet makes great hammocks, but weather or not they're the best is subjective.
You don't really need a bug net integrated. You can always buy something like a HUG (half bug net) from arrowhead equipment and put on any hammock.
Hammock is a personal choice, there are countless options. I have a Dutchware hexin 1.6, 11 footer. Awesome hammock. Dutchware has a hammock with integrated bug net if you so desire. Get one of his suspension systems with the hammock, I prefer cinch buckles. There's your hammock and suspension for about $80.
For an under quilt I'd get an Arrowhead equipment jarbidge. It's 3/4 length and rated to 25 degrees. Get a small pad for your feet since it's 3/4 length. Cost with a pad, $105
You can save $50 and get a Snugpak underblanket if you so desire. On amazon for $53.
For a top quilt, you can spend a lot, but a cheap option is a Snugpak Hammock Quilt. About $45 on Amazon.
You could get an Arrowhead Equipment top quilt if you wanted. They are about $160 though. You'd still be under budget with it.
If you got the Dutchware hammock, and suspension, with the arrowhead TQ and UQ, you'd have an excellent setup that would last for years.
If you got any of the Snugpak stuff, you'd still have decent gear, just a little heavier and bulkier is all, and you'd save quite a bit.
>>682807 Yeah, go ahead and sleep in a hammock in 45 degree weather with no pad or underquilt. You're such a badass, I'm sure the cold does nothing to you. Do you train every day by sticking ice cubes in your asshole?
>>682830 i have it. it's bulky but lighter'n fish dicks. and it is mother-fuck-ing warm. it takes a little practice to get used to hanging it just right (so you don't have any tight spots, coldbutt, etc) but when you do it's like you're sleeping in an actual horsecunt. it's pricey, but i see it as a lifelong investment
>>682842 i hang mine high, but a lot of people hang em low. the lower you hang it, the easier it is to get the 30º hang in the ropes, which gives you the right amount of sag to be able to lie comfortably diagonal. i like my hammock tighter, so i get like a 15º angle, and it hangs waist high or so. just low enough for me to be able to hop in it, but still a good 2-3ft above ground. i've had plenty of occasions where racoons, skunks, possibly coyotes, etc have been rummaging around camp and i've been safely away from their nosy nibbling
>>682807 So at 55 degrees you just sleep with nothing?
65 is the point where you need some insulation. It does not have to be much at 65 degrees, but with nothing under you, and a breeze, you'll lose so much hest below you, you'll really start to cool down.
Will you freeze? No of course not. You'll just be colder than you'd like.
If you're using a sleeping bag, and are inside it, you'll be able to go lower than 65. Granted your weight will crush most the insulation, but you'll still have a little bit to take you below 65 degrees.
If you use a cheap synthetic sleeping bag it will actually perform better under compression. High quality down bags compress significantly more. So much so that a good down bag will lose nearly all insulation value when compressed.
I suggest you educate youself. It is well established in the hammock hanging community that 65 is about the cut off point for needing anything below you. Some people even need it at 7p degrees if they sleep cold. You forget when you're in your house, you have significant insulation below you as a matress, or in a tent, with your pad and ground below you.
>>682833 Man you and I have very, very different ideas about the snugpak underblanket (underquilt).
You say it's bulky, which I agree.... but you say it's light..... what? You're kidding right? It's heavy. So heavy that many backpackers completely write it off and would never even consider it. It is in no way shape or for considered "light"
Granted, it's not super heavy, it's really at the upper limit of size and weight to backpack with. I do backpack with it, but I'm not an ultralighter.
You also said it's pricey.... bro it's $52.... it's literally the absolute cheapest underquilt you can buy.... how is it pricey? A typical full length underquilt is more than 3 times the price, and can be as high as $400 for an underquilt. $52 is a steal.
>>682830 To answer you anon, I have it and love it.... for the price. You won't regret it since it's so cheap. Sure I'd like a 950 fill down quilt that weights 1/4 of the snugpak, but for $52 it works awesome.
Took me a little to find the best way to hang it, but I figured it out and now it fits perfect.
>>682853 well mine is full-sized and it cost me over $100 i think, a couple years ago. and it's not light, it's light for its size. i'm not an ultralighter, and i'm more of a camper than a hiker. i hike to camp, but not several miles... at least not with winter gear
>>683038 You would be the exception. I have a cousin that never gets cold and just sleeps in a 15 degree bag down to about freezing Temps with no issues. It is a synthetic bag though. He sleeps heavy, and sleeps hot.
Your sleeping bag would not be as light, as comfortable, or work as well a a quality TQ/UQ set. My TQ/UQ together weighs under 2 lbs, and compresses to the size of a Nalgene bottle.
Things like wind and tarp placement really effect the Temps you can sleep at as well.
Just because you do it, does not make it correct either.
Has anyone ever done any higher hammock camping? I would like to hang a little higher than normal (8'-10') instead of my normal 3'ish but am unsure of how to setup higher up Heck I would be happy getting 6' up My main problems are How do I get the straps high enough up the tree? How do I get in and out realistically?
>>683435 You never hang higher than you're willing to fall is the general rule.
There's not really any advantage to hanging higher. Sure you may "feel" safer, but you won't be any safer. If you're worried about bear, any adult bear can easily reach 6 feet up.you also have the problem with trying to hang a tarp, and having to basically jump and grab on the hammock and struggle to get in and out.
>>683476 For me a pad kind of ruins the comfort of a hammock. There is no difference in how flat I lay with or without a pad. I like how a hammock feels against my back, rather than the contour of a pad.
I used to use pads. They were never quite right. Now I own several different underquilts, and I'd never, ever (and I mean ever) go back to pads. I can toss, and twist, and move my legs all over and never have a cold spot with my underquilts. With a pad, unless I lay straight, I get a cold spot wherever my leg leaves the pad.
Now, other people may like pads, but I'm just not one of them.
>>683538 Yeah, the people who hang 1000 feet off a mountain face use a safety factor much higher than 8. Your atlas straps probably have a breaking strength somewhere in the neighborhood of 3000 lbs, for a safety factor of slightly less than 8.
>>683516 I know it's not safer it would be for fun I found an area that had a log fallen across a 3' deep river bed and I managed to setup pretty close to it and it was a lot of fun sitting 3' + the normalish height around 3'-4' Probably one of the coolest spots I ever setup at
I made whoopie slings of dynoglide and I have at the moment tree straps made of regular rope. I've used them a few times and they seem to hold but I don't trust them enough to go for a longer hike with them.
I have about 4 meters of webbing and I think that's enough. I don't want any knots because I want to save space. Is sewing the only option? If so, do sewed straps hold better than knots?
>>685065 dude just buy proper seatbelt-style tree straps. they're ony a few dolla and peace of mind is an important thing when it comes to your rigging. don't go trying to sew webbing yourself. fuckin' eh.
>>685094 >B-but DIY is fun yeah i'm with you that, generally. i'm just not feeling it when it comes to hammock suspension is all. but more power to you! just make sure you don't drop in the middle of the night and smiash your tailbone :[
>>685065 I knotted my straps, it works just fine. You're probably using a few extra feet total of strap, but I don't really think it's worth worrying about. I certainly don't think it adds to the bulk appreciably, and I've never had a problem with the knots coming undone.
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