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No Hammock Thread?

Hammock Thread.

Let's talk about hammock camping.
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>>680279
Why? The topic has been ran into the ground a thousand times.

>Great for uneven terrain! So light! So comfy!

>CBS! There aren't always trees!

>Underquilt! Hammocks can be hung from anything!

>You're an idiot!

>Troll!!!

And that's the thread in a nutshell.
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This^^
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>>680285
oh come now. there's plenty of room on slow sluggish /out/ for a hammock thread. also, not everyone is sick of the threads, and not everyone has seen hammock threads before. it's winter for chrissake, let us banter
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i have some legit questions about hammock camping:
How neccessary is an underquilt? can i nigger rig something instead?

Can i use ratchet straps instead of tree huggers or fancy shit?

Do i need an ultralight tarp? Can a plain tarp be used instead?

Is a double hammock uncomfortable?

Im fat, will 400lb load limits be enough for someone who is 260?

how bad will a hammock stretch?
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>>680294
>How neccessary is an underquilt? can i nigger rig something instead?
you need under insulation for cold weather, period. it doesn't have to be anything fantsy - the perfect material is an old sleeping bag that you hang or negro-rig on the outside. underquilts are cut and designed for their purpose, but they're all just a blanket of insulation. anything will work. don't use an underquilt until after you've camped a few times. in warm weather you don't need it, as it gets cooler out you'll know when you've hit your personal threshold for an underquilt. now, some people use an underquilt all year, and don't bother with a sleeping bag/internal blanket until it gets cold out. that seems pretty reasonable as well. the underquilt does help block wind and it cocoons around you when you're in the hammy, so if it's warm it'll be fine by itself. i just prefer having my Linus blanker in there with me is all

>Can i use ratchet straps instead of tree huggers or fancy shit?
yup, i did this for a litte while. it's hard to find straps with an appropriate weight limit though, so be very careful. a lot of time the strap has a 500lb-1000lb rating but the ratchet mechanism itself is much weaker. for horizontal hanging you want at least ~1000lb ratings. read into the physics of this to get an understanding of the powerful and unexpected forces actually at play!

>Do i need an ultralight tarp? Can a plain tarp be used instead?
start with a plain tarp, if/when you get sick of it upgrade. plain tarps can be had for like $4 at harbor freight and do the job. they are kinda bulky and heavy, but if you don't have to hump the gear too far for camping then it doesn't matter. nobody respects a gearfag, be practical and get what you need for as little fuss and money as possible, always.

>Is a double hammock uncomfortable?
haven't used one, haven't heard they're uncumpfy though

>Im fat, will 400lb load limits be enough/will it stretch
you'll be fine m8, hammock will too
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>>680289
Fair enough. I'll contribute.

>>680294
You need something under you, pads are okay, quilts are better. I just made a cocoon, haven't taken it out yet.

Hammock straps are easy to make. 1" is adequate. Ratchet straps would be necessarily heavy.

I use a GI poncho. I have a friend who uses a vinyl tablecloth. You're just repelling rain, anything other than mesh will work fine. Tyvek is a good balance of cheap as fuck, light and rain proof.

Do you mean multiple layers, or for multiple people?

Yes, 260<400.

Depends a lot on what brand, materials quality of workmanship. I do have a 260lb buddy that uses a hammock. He'd probably recommend not using trees less than a foot across, but other than that, I think you'll be fine.
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>>680279
>BURRITO FOR DA BEARS
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>>680313
Bear-rito?
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>>680313
Do you think Da Coach prefers spicy or mild?
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>>680318
Forgot my pic
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>>680279
>2016
>still falling for hammock meme
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>>680334
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>>680334

You are just a ground dweller and you dont know how comfortable hammocks are.

They keep you off the cold ground and when you use them with an Underquilt and topquilt they are way better then a tent.
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Hammock is pretty good, but I don't know, after nights and nights in it I think I don't like it anymore.
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I still like them when there's no other choice, though.
Pic related, 4 nights in French Pyrénées, -20°C (-4°F) during the night so I was pretty excited about not sleeping on the floor.
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>>680339
>>680340
Except for when you're above the treeline or in the desert. No fun elevation hikes up cascadian mountains for you faggots. Have fun with your views of bark and dirt.
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>>680376
is that a porta potty anon?
>French Pyrénées
are you a terrorist?
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>>680381
When you can't set up your hammock you still can sleep on the floor.
A hammock is a very little thing to pack, so take it, use it if you can/want to, or don't if you can't.
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>>680387
It's a shelter used by fishers during summer, and by me during winter.
>are you a terrorist?
Because I'm French or because I'm from the Pyrénées ?
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>>680392
because you look like a terrorist.
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>>680395
I'm not even arab bro
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>>680387
>When you can't set up your hammock you still can sleep on the floor.
>then the ants, mosquitoes, and beetles come fuck up your day
What are you even going to sleep on top of? Your meme-quilt that compresses to shit? Have fun with all that heat loss through the ground.

Did I mention how useless they are on a thru hike such as the PCT? One extra pound + Straps just to swing around like a fucking retard. Hammocks are a meme anon, why didn't you get the memo?

inb4 Muh Comfort
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>>680395
That's offensive to terrorists.
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>>680399
You can go ahead and hike an extra five miles to find a nice wide open, perfectly level spot with no exposed roots or damp ground. I'm gonna set up on this slope here, so the morning sun hits me as soon as it rises over that horizon.
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>>680392
>dark skin
>bushy unibrow
>keffiyeh
>in france
>poor as fuck, sleeping in -20C
Do I really need to explain >>680376 to you?
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>>680399
I slept on the floor during a lot of 0°F nights and trust me I'm still alive.
Buy a good sleeping bag, if you need a fking matress to sleep /out/ then stay home.
Hammock is not about confort, I think I sleep better on the ground, it's about sleeping in a place where you can't sleep on the groud because of rocks and shits.

The only thing you know about being /out/ is probably your garden anyway.
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>>680401
>>680403
>Not worthy of thru hike
>Can't Mountaineer
>Only sleeping on your back
>implying it's difficult to find a flat spot
>Not getting your camping sex on in your cozy tent

It's like you guys aren't even trying.
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Well... told you. >>680285
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>>680409
>Not worthy of a thru-hike
Campo in ten weeks, man. You gonna be on the PCT? Because I will.
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>>680294
I just rig it up
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>>680401
>You can go ahead and hike an extra hundred miles to find TREES.
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>>680413
Yeah did you get your permit yet? What date you starting?
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>>680416
I don't need trees. I can just as easily throw my roll on the ground as I can hang it up. You don't have options. You're prepared for only one situation.

Truly, I pity you. The only thing worse than someone being wrong is someone being too closed-minded to see that they're wrong.
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>>680417
Last I checked, permits weren't available for 2016 yet? Has that changed?

I'm planning on starting between the 7th and 14th, depending on which days are restricted.
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>>680401
>I'm gonna set up on this slope here, so this enormous pine cone hits me as soon as the sun rises. Fucking bird droppings too...
>>680418
>I can just as easily throw my roll on the ground as I can hang it up.
You still haven't addressed the bug or ground insulation issue.
>You're prepared for only one situation.
You mean that circumstance pioneers and mountain men have been using since the dawn of time?
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>>680420
Yeah it opened feb 1st, there's another go around on the 15th or something as most dates filled up instantly. Near campo volunteers might try to get in your face, but there's probably going to be a bunch of hikers who are out of the loop anyways. They can't stop 1000 people from walking through the desert. As long as your passing through the national parks between your start and finish date, I don't think it matters. The PCTA just doesn't want 200 hikers to start the same day and be shitting all over the trail like last year.
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>>680426
Well, I didn't want to miss registration, so I signed up for May 9th. Definitely later than I wanted, I was hoping to take some time to fish Washington before the pass. Glad you said something though, or I may have missed out on getting a permit at all.
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>>680427
What kind of fishing setup are you bringing? I've been contemplating bringing a yoyo reel but can't imagine spending too many days fishing while I'm trying to make miles.
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>>680423
Poor, pitiful guy. Okay, I'll give this one to you so you can fell better about yourself.

You're right. Hammocks have no advantages at all over tents and are a waste of time and money.

Feel better?
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>>680429
Just a simple collapsible rod for bait fishing. I'm less concerned about making miles than I am about enjoying the trip, and I have a WA resident fishing license anyway. If I don't finish this year, I'll finish next year.
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>>680430
I for one gave up groundwelling in ~2001 and I've never looked back. It was such a great discovery. Changed errthing.

Here she is. I've since gotten a proper hammocka nd gear, but for years I would lug this cheep milsurp style hammy everywhere with me. Was glorious, even with just that narrow canvas stretcher to sleep on, even if it rained. I will always love that thing <3
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>>680439
that's a pretty sweet looking setup man, where did you get it from?
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>>680444
I think I got it at the Army Barracks up in N.Conway, NH. They can be had for like $30-$40. I put the dowel spreader bars in because it's so damned narrow it's hard to get into it. The spreader bars make it wobbly as fuck until you're settled down though. I have a DD hammock now which will hopefully last me 10+ years itself

>pic shows my DD hammock all encapsulated in its fitted tarps. the small hammock next to it is what's left of >>680439 i use it as a bench/seat while sitting around camp, and as easy access storage for my water bottle/boots/gear/etc while i'm sleeping
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Hammockfags, is a gathered end hammock ever truly good for a side sleeper?
The two hammocks I have don't seem quite good enough but they aren't that long and they aren't that wide.
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>>680279
just ordered a under quilt.
>>680313
i live in Aus getting off the ground is good.
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>>680451
i sleep in mine on my back, sides, and stomach. i don't have much trouble. i'm also pretty skinny and lanky so the hammock has plenty of room for me in all dimensions. there's some /out/ist who uses a "bridge hammock" model that has spreader bars so it's more like a cot, looks pretty cumpfy to me. might be better for you
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>>680451
OP here.

I can side sleep fine as long as I have a pillow between my legs in my gathered end. I don't often side sleep in my hammock.

Honestly though, most people will adapt to sleeping in a hammock. I'm a side sleeper at home, but in a hammock I kind of just sleep on my back. Even when I side sleep, I always wake up in the morning and I'm on my back. You'll find you sleep different in a hammock.
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>>680451
I sleep on the side, no problem there, it's okay comfortable but it takes some wiggiling to be on the side and supported properly. I'm skinny, so the size id the hammock is good for side sleeping. If you are a heavy guy I would use a double layer since side sleeping creates pressure points, more so than back sleeping.
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>>680303
>fantsy

Please be real
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>>680303
>for horizontal hanging you want at least ~1000lb ratings
How big of a fat fuck are you where you need 1000lb straps. And what fucking hammock do you have that is rated for half a ton? I'm 210lbs and havent had a problem with 400lb rated straps.

>>680340
>You are just a ground dweller and you dont know how comfortable hammocks are.
They're really not unless you like sleeping on your back.
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I don't wanna make my own shit. What are good straps to hang my hammock? I just got a hammock after holding out for awhile. I heard whoopie slings are great but there are name brand options (atlas straps) at the same price point.
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>>680784
>atlas straps
I have these, they work. Haven't tried any others so I cant really offer a comparison. The only thing I can say about straps is the longer the better.
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>>680784
I use atlas straps. They work.

They are heavier than other options.

Dutch ware makes a great cinch buckle kit, as well as a whoopie sling kit.

Any serious hammock hanger uses something other than atlas straps. I plan to upgrade some day, but honestly the Atlas straps work just fine.
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>>680781
On any rope, webbing or strap, you want to consider dynamic tensioning - when you move around, plop down in your hammock, etc. Knots, ties and rings stress the material a lot and locally multiply the tension factor. If you add a safety factor, this gives you a necessary rating of at least 8x your weight. A 700kg rating is usually considered the minimum.
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>>680805
This is why 550 paracord is unsafe for hammock hanging (added to the fact it stretches and is weakened by water.) A lot of people have had paracord suspension snap on them and coccyx fracture is years of hell for you. This is also why you wouldn't rely on cheap, non-rated aluminium carabiners to support your weight even if they didn't break when you hung 70kg under them. This is common sense.
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>>680805
I'm well aware of dynamic loads.

>. If you add a safety factor, this gives you a necessary rating of at least 8x your weight
What the fuck are you talking about? Spacecraft dont even use a safety factor that high. And if you were to use a safety factor of 8, with a 100lb strap would mean you weigh 125lbs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factor_of_safety#Choosing_design_factors
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>>680812
>100lb
1000lb
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>>680805
>>680812
it's not just a matter of dynamic load, it's also horizontal shear force exherted on the sling. you aren't always going to get a low 30º or 40º hang, and you want something that can tolerate a weight load well above your "worst case scenerio". also, i like to hang my hammock tight, which vastly increases the shear weight.

check the hammock hang calculator pls

http://theultimatehang.com/hammock-hang-calculator/
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>>680809
>550 paracord is unsafe for hammock hanging
are people srsly stupid enough to hammock w/ para?
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>>680834
Why hang your hammock tight? You'll be flatter if you have some sag in it?

Use a structural ridgeline, it will help you get the perfect tray every time.

Make the ridgeline 83% of the total length of your hammock fabric.

Made all the difference the world for me.
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>>680865
idunno
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Any of you hammock dudes who use official tarps as a cover, consider using a tent foot print for the same purpose? Reason I ask is that those light weight tarps never seem to go on sale, are overly priced and a tent footprint could do the same job for significantly less price.
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>>680392
noice
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>>680911
Most tent footprints aren't quite big enough I'd imagine.
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>>680423
>muh tradition
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>>666666
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>>680334
It's not a meme, and it won't be no matter how hard you try to make it one.

>>680381
Tarp is always necessary if you don't have a tent. A big or even a regular sized tarp can be made into a tent with a floor. Keeps you off the ground and works just as fine as a tent. I bet you're one of those people who camps besides their car. Just stay at home ffs.
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>>680834
>horizontal shear force
Wasn't aware of this anon. I did a bit of jewgling and found some comments from Derek (http://theultimatehang.com/2013/09/hammock-suspension-kit-new-hangers/) who claims to be the guy who wrote that calculator, and realized that we're likely using different metrics, breaking strength vs working load limit.
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>>680381
>>680381
>>680381
>>680381
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>>681039
Open the door?

The whole argument is pointless and it's silly to be hostile and hating each other. Both are very fun and being a purist is stupid.

But yeah, you can't use hammocks everywhere, and sometimes tents are restrictive.
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>>681039
Why does there appear to be a Kestrel meter hanging from inside the tent?
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>>681046

If you open the door all you'll be able to see is some...
>>bark and dirt
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>>680392
You look too kebab-ish to be French.
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>>680392
what a couple cuties
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>>681039

This x1000
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>>681121
Other frenchfag here. He seems legit. Our southern people aren't as white skinned as us in the capital, but aren't kebabs either.
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>>681854
T'es de Paris ? Pas trop chaud de partir dans la nature en habitant là ? Déjà que de Montpellier ca me fait beaucoup de route...
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>>681039
And then the rain comes.
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>>681879
being in a hammy under a taRp while it rains is one of the great pleasures of life. it's geborgenheit anon. and there's nothing like the peace of mind you get not being on the ground with all the mud and water and wriggly wraggly worm D:

https://clyp.it/npza400j
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>>681879
And then the tarp comes

Check mate groundie
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>>681121
>You look too kebab-ish to be French.
How do I look? I am German.

<-----
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>>680279

why does hammock camping look so ultra shitty?
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>>681969
>shitty?
I think it looks absolutly futuristic. Its like star wars became reality.
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>>680834

itt: at least one learned anon.

I actually cant be fucked these days to keep typing out why paracord is not suitable for suspension. As well as all the retarded questions that always come up.
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Sleeping in a hammock for prolonged periods looks really bad for your back because of how you bend and lack of support. Having a sore back when you have to hump gear around is no bueno. Sleeping on the ground in a nice air mat on the other hand is heaven.
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>>680279
Can i get total sleep and shelter system weights from yall?

My 2.5 season for ground camping is about 5.6 and be better, my pad and bag suck.
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>have to sleep in a hammock for a few months while a bedbug problem is being fixed in my house
>pain in the ass to get used to seeing as I'm a front sleeper that needs face contact with a pillow
>finally find a wrap around pillow after a week of shitty sleeping
>once into the swing of things I'm constantly getting up during the night to piss because I'm on an incline / semi sitting
>finally piss myself one night because lol shitty sleep + sleep paralysis + cool night

who does a hammock look comfier than it actually is?
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>>682021
>Sleeping in a hammock for prolonged periods looks really bad for your back because of how you bend and lack of support

this guy >>682021 if you're still around. I probably should have read a few posts before posting, but after sleeping for ~ 4 months exclusively in a hammock I can safely say that your back is in no danger at all. your night clothes maybe, but your knees are more likely seeing as hammocks have at least a requirement of laying on your side. the recurve on the other half of a hammock is likely to hyperextend your knees, like it did mine and will make your knees sore for the first few hours of the day
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>>682030
Why not just lay flat? In my hammock I don't lay on an incline at all.

Sag the hammock a little more and use a structural ridgeline, to get a more consistent, flat lay.
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>>681969
>why does hammock camping look so ultra shitty?

It looks fun to me but there are so many threads where users are complaining about getting wet, being uncomfortable, leaving early or needing to buy tarps to sleep under because their hammocks fail.
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>>680812
Don't look at safety factors for solid objects, look at safety factors for rope. It's always at least 5x for non-overhead applications, usually around 8-10x for dangerous applications, up to 20x for fall protection. This is not very hard to achieve if you're not using hardware store rope.
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>>680730
>not seeing "uncumpfy"
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>>680456
This weighs more than a tent.
>>680911
Just look for nylon tarps on ebay/amazon, it's not rocket science. Walmart sells a 5x7 nylon tarp for less than 7 bucks.
>>681015
>It's not a meme, and it won't be no matter how hard you try to make it one.
Nice argument fagtron, you sure convinced me with those hot opinions.
>>681039
>>681748
Back sleeping is closely linked to sleep apnea. You're going to get senile dementia and muscular dystrophy from your snoring when gravity forces your tongue into your airway.
>>681883
>>681885
Except you're fucked when there is no trees around that day of your thru hike, unless you like bugs...
>>682028
I don't know the exact figures but I know my tent weighs less than my double nest.
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>>680309
>>680294
Hammocks will be fine if rated for 400 lbs
I'm 250 with a wbbb I set it up behind my house when I got it and my sister got in (140ish) and I got in also (390ish lbs total) and it held fine
I've used a few trees <6" diameter they do rock and move with you I doubt they would break but obviously be smart about your choice don't just assume any tree will hold cause some anonymous dude said it should work
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>>682198
no one cares what you think
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>>680294
>>682200
Forgot to add
Eno hammocks + slap straps will stretch when you sit in them
So most people I see with them hang them damn near horizontal and when they get in it stretches to the approximately 30* angle that is best
I have a wbbb (war bonnet black bird) and it does not stretch at all it is exceptionally nice and if you are willing to pay for it I fully believe it is worth the $200 for it
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>>682201
Nice argument fagtron, you sure convinced me with that hot opinion.
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>>680451
I find side sleeping fine and even stomach sleeping to be pretty comfortable just make sure you have a good angle if you sleep straight along it and try side sleeping or stomach sleeping you'll be miserable

>>682028
For me my 4 season weighs in at ~7lbs
2lbs tarp bcusa 10x10 coyote
2lbs hammock wbbb
1.5lbs ish for hg incubator 20 + 2 ounces over stuff good down to single digits
1.5lbs ish for burrow 40 + 2 ounces over stuff
In summer I can lose the top and under quilt and either bring a blanket or not depending on Temps I'm good in high-mid 60s no blanket
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>>680392
One of my dogs is part Pyrenees. He's p cool.
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>>682231
Also, I like to bring my dogs. Ever try to get a 90lb dog into a hammock? Not easy.
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>>680409
>Implying it's difficult to find a flat spot
just like it's difficult to find two trees, amirite?
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>>682198
>>682219
Yeah, I have nothing against hammocks, but for a 3 season solution they seem heavier than tarp shit.

If I replaced my army foam pad with a thermarest xlite and my shitty kelty sleeping bag with a comfy as fuck and not even that light backcountry bed my total system would be ~4.6lb total

And since my tarp is a specially made 14oz lightweight US style army poncho it is also my pack cover and my waterproof clothing layer.
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>>682182
I did see it, i thought fantsy was better though
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>>682232
>bring my dogs
nothing I hate more than being innawoods and coming across a barking shit machine
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>>682320
This
Last weekend I'm hiking and some guy comes up the trail with two dogs wearing those stupid vests, he calls out to me "they're friendly!" Cue dogs running up to me and going nuts around me. Yea your dogs might be friendly, but they're not fucking trained.
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>>682205
Slap straps are terrible, they stretch way too much. The Atlas straps down have this problem.

ENO hammock in general are too stretchy. I'd sit in one and sink down 2 feet.
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>>682198
Back sleeping. Sleep apnea.

I hammock camp like 10 nights a year. I seriously doubt that's going to all of a sudden make me develop sleep apnea.
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>>682387
>Cigarettes. Cancer.
>I smoke cigarettes like 10 times a year. I srsly doubt that's going to all of a sudden make me develop cancer.

>mfw I get cancer
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>>682398
You cancerous fucks are always whitewashing Mozart
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>>682238
For hammock vs tent camping
With proper gear choice they have a negligible difference
Hammock vs tarp only
Tarp wins all day
But for me personally hammock camping is just fun and more comfortable
In Virginia so worrying about lack of trees is dumb
If I was an ultralight kinda guy I would get a nice cuben fiber tarp and a nice mat and be done with it
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>>682198
thank you for this post anon. my fries were a little bland up until now
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>>681940
can't barely see your face anon
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Any good hammock that I can get for less than 30€?
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>>682483
Yeah that's what I figure.

I'm not so much an ultralighter as someone who started out as a milsurpfag because I was poorfag. There is no tent in milsurpfag backpacking, only two person shelter halfs and poncho hooches, so I've never slept in a tent on a hike before, only car camping.

My ruck is an Alice Large, which I like because the shortness and fatness gives you better mobility, and the external pockets make everything easy to find, but it's heavy as fuck at 7lb and has shitty straps so I'm looking for any way to reduce weight.
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>>682483
I'm still not sold on cuben fiber, it has a high strength but they make the fabric so light that it seems prone to tear, I saw a cuben fiber backpack where one of the selling points was "easy to repair with duct tape".

Like I said in >>682238 I have a LW army poncho, I don't really see myself ever wanting anything lighter than thin treated ripstop or X-Pac unless it's significantly stronger and you can make an army poncho out of it.
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>>682605
If you want a hammock be prepared to spend about 30 europoor's every time you use it in a futile attempt to make it functional
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Ok boys here's the deal. I have around $400 to spend on a hammock setup that I can comfortably sleep in. I will be using it in Michigan so it needs to be able to keep me warm down to 30F. Mosquito net is required, but not a rain tarp. I am 6'2 and 200 pounds. I tried sleeping in an eno single last year with a wool blanket and long underwear in 50f weather but it was still cold as fuck. Would I need an under quilt for summer nights where it can get down to 50F with wind? So what would work best for me, I heard a warbonnet is the best hammock you can buy, anybody have one?
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>>682631
Get a Warbonnet Ridge Runner, add $6 ebay sleeping pad into pocket, get trekking poles to replace the hammock spreaders, throw in your $50 ebay down 15 degree sleeping bag, then throw it all in a huge fire and buy a tent.
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>>682717
lol!

epic troll my friend xD
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>>682717
Um wut
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>>682631
Get a Warbonnet Blackbird XLC, around $210 I think, great for people over 6'. Get a Snugpak Underblanket for around $50, if it gets under 70 at night you'll want at least that or a closed cell foam pad. You can use a sleeping bag instead of a top quilt, if it can get down to 50 this one might be good http://www.sierratradingpost.com/mountain-hardwear-35-f-pinole-ii-sleeping-bag-long-synthetic-mummy~p~8229j/?filterString=sleeping-bags~d~208%2Fspecdataor~temperature%20rating%3B21-plus%20degrees%2Fpriceor~%2435-%2499dotdot99%2F&colorFamily=01

or get an MSS sleep system for around the same price.
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>>682631
$400 you can get a great set up.

Yes you need an UQ, for any Temps below about 65.

Warbonnet makes great hammocks, but weather or not they're the best is subjective.

You don't really need a bug net integrated. You can always buy something like a HUG (half bug net) from arrowhead equipment and put on any hammock.

Hammock is a personal choice, there are countless options. I have a Dutchware hexin 1.6, 11 footer. Awesome hammock. Dutchware has a hammock with integrated bug net if you so desire. Get one of his suspension systems with the hammock, I prefer cinch buckles. There's your hammock and suspension for about $80.

For an under quilt I'd get an Arrowhead equipment jarbidge. It's 3/4 length and rated to 25 degrees. Get a small pad for your feet since it's 3/4 length. Cost with a pad, $105

You can save $50 and get a Snugpak underblanket if you so desire. On amazon for $53.

For a top quilt, you can spend a lot, but a cheap option is a Snugpak Hammock Quilt. About $45 on Amazon.

You could get an Arrowhead Equipment top quilt if you wanted. They are about $160 though. You'd still be under budget with it.

If you got the Dutchware hammock, and suspension, with the arrowhead TQ and UQ, you'd have an excellent setup that would last for years.

If you got any of the Snugpak stuff, you'd still have decent gear, just a little heavier and bulkier is all, and you'd save quite a bit.

Either way, you're under budget.
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>>682790
>any Temps below about 65
are you insane? 55 maybe, more like 45. I quite honestly can't give your post any credibility after opening with such a falsehood.
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>>682320
How does it feel knowing nobody and nothing loves you?
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hey there, anyone use the snugpak underquilt? I'm tempted by the price but it seems pretty heavy
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>>682807
Yeah, go ahead and sleep in a hammock in 45 degree weather with no pad or underquilt. You're such a badass, I'm sure the cold does nothing to you. Do you train every day by sticking ice cubes in your asshole?
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>>682830
i have it. it's bulky but lighter'n fish dicks. and it is mother-fuck-ing warm. it takes a little practice to get used to hanging it just right (so you don't have any tight spots, coldbutt, etc) but when you do it's like you're sleeping in an actual horsecunt. it's pricey, but i see it as a lifelong investment
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>>680279
Having never used a hammok. Why are they always hung so low to the ground?
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>>682842
i hang mine high, but a lot of people hang em low. the lower you hang it, the easier it is to get the 30º hang in the ropes, which gives you the right amount of sag to be able to lie comfortably diagonal. i like my hammock tighter, so i get like a 15º angle, and it hangs waist high or so. just low enough for me to be able to hop in it, but still a good 2-3ft above ground. i've had plenty of occasions where racoons, skunks, possibly coyotes, etc have been rummaging around camp and i've been safely away from their nosy nibbling
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>>682846
>>682842
forgot link

https://youtu.be/rY3MToa3e_8
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>>682807
So at 55 degrees you just sleep with nothing?

65 is the point where you need some insulation. It does not have to be much at 65 degrees, but with nothing under you, and a breeze, you'll lose so much hest below you, you'll really start to cool down.

Will you freeze? No of course not. You'll just be colder than you'd like.

If you're using a sleeping bag, and are inside it, you'll be able to go lower than 65. Granted your weight will crush most the insulation, but you'll still have a little bit to take you below 65 degrees.

If you use a cheap synthetic sleeping bag it will actually perform better under compression. High quality down bags compress significantly more. So much so that a good down bag will lose nearly all insulation value when compressed.

I suggest you educate youself. It is well established in the hammock hanging community that 65 is about the cut off point for needing anything below you. Some people even need it at 7p degrees if they sleep cold. You forget when you're in your house, you have significant insulation below you as a matress, or in a tent, with your pad and ground below you.
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>>682833
Man you and I have very, very different ideas about the snugpak underblanket (underquilt).

You say it's bulky, which I agree.... but you say it's light..... what? You're kidding right? It's heavy. So heavy that many backpackers completely write it off and would never even consider it. It is in no way shape or for considered "light"

Granted, it's not super heavy, it's really at the upper limit of size and weight to backpack with. I do backpack with it, but I'm not an ultralighter.

You also said it's pricey.... bro it's $52.... it's literally the absolute cheapest underquilt you can buy.... how is it pricey? A typical full length underquilt is more than 3 times the price, and can be as high as $400 for an underquilt. $52 is a steal.

>>682830
To answer you anon, I have it and love it.... for the price. You won't regret it since it's so cheap. Sure I'd like a 950 fill down quilt that weights 1/4 of the snugpak, but for $52 it works awesome.

Took me a little to find the best way to hang it, but I figured it out and now it fits perfect.
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>>682853
well mine is full-sized and it cost me over $100 i think, a couple years ago. and it's not light, it's light for its size. i'm not an ultralighter, and i'm more of a camper than a hiker. i hike to camp, but not several miles... at least not with winter gear
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>>682855
They sell for $52 on amazon now, free shipping.
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>>682852
>synthetic sleeping bag
nailed it. I'm good down to 20F with my bag. Probably lower, just haven't tried.
Bag is lighter the uq & lq combined.

Regarding
>well established in the hammock community
You may be right but that doesn't make it correct
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>>683038
You would be the exception. I have a cousin that never gets cold and just sleeps in a 15 degree bag down to about freezing Temps with no issues. It is a synthetic bag though. He sleeps heavy, and sleeps hot.

Your sleeping bag would not be as light, as comfortable, or work as well a a quality TQ/UQ set. My TQ/UQ together weighs under 2 lbs, and compresses to the size of a Nalgene bottle.

Things like wind and tarp placement really effect the Temps you can sleep at as well.

Just because you do it, does not make it correct either.
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Would an all season therm-a-rest be a good buy for a hammock and the occasional grounddwelling?
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>>683415
yeah, should be. get one of the ovular shaped ones and it should be ok. naturally, they can be a little tricky to get sitting right but lots of people do it
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>>683418
neat
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>>683418
They work but can be hard to stay on an inflatable, easy to roll off. A good tip is to deflate it a little, and you'll stay on it easier.
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Has anyone ever done any higher hammock camping?
I would like to hang a little higher than normal (8'-10') instead of my normal 3'ish but am unsure of how to setup higher up
Heck I would be happy getting 6' up
My main problems are
How do I get the straps high enough up the tree?
How do I get in and out realistically?
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I understand the trepidation of having to "go to ground" when hammocking, and then all your underquilts being fucking useless crushed under you...

Which is why dual layer or dedicated pad sleeve hammock like pic related are appealing.

>Pad no longer a probably useless backup
>Pad doesn't move around
>Makes a "flatter lay" (god I hate hammock vernacular).
>Underquilts are expensive, most of us already own a sleeping pad
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>>683435
You never hang higher than you're willing to fall is the general rule.

There's not really any advantage to hanging higher. Sure you may "feel" safer, but you won't be any safer. If you're worried about bear, any adult bear can easily reach 6 feet up.you also have the problem with trying to hang a tarp, and having to basically jump and grab on the hammock and struggle to get in and out.

Just hang it normal like thousands of others do.
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>>683476
For me a pad kind of ruins the comfort of a hammock. There is no difference in how flat I lay with or without a pad. I like how a hammock feels against my back, rather than the contour of a pad.

I used to use pads. They were never quite right. Now I own several different underquilts, and I'd never, ever (and I mean ever) go back to pads. I can toss, and twist, and move my legs all over and never have a cold spot with my underquilts. With a pad, unless I lay straight, I get a cold spot wherever my leg leaves the pad.

Now, other people may like pads, but I'm just not one of them.
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>>682176
We're hanging a couple feet off the ground, not 1000 feet on a mountain face. Read the wiki article for fucks sakes.

>>682385
>The Atlas straps down have this problem.
Mine stretch a bit
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>>683538
Yeah, the people who hang 1000 feet off a mountain face use a safety factor much higher than 8. Your atlas straps probably have a breaking strength somewhere in the neighborhood of 3000 lbs, for a safety factor of slightly less than 8.
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>>683516
I know it's not safer it would be for fun
I found an area that had a log fallen across a 3' deep river bed and I managed to setup pretty close to it and it was a lot of fun sitting 3' + the normalish height around 3'-4'
Probably one of the coolest spots I ever setup at
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>>683538
My atlas straps hardly stretch at all, my cousin has slap straps and they are like rubber bands. Even with his 8 year old son using them, they sag.
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>>683551
The atlas straps would fail long long before 3000lbs. The straps themselves would hold, but the loops are stirched, and the stitching would definitely be the weak point.
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>>683900
>My atlas straps hardly stretch at all
Thats why I said a bit. There is some but as you said its not like a rubber band.
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>>680398

I'm old enough to remember when euros were crawling all over their own continent doing terrorist shit for the sake of socialism.
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What kind of tree straps would you recommend?

I made whoopie slings of dynoglide and I have at the moment tree straps made of regular rope. I've used them a few times and they seem to hold but I don't trust them enough to go for a longer hike with them.

I have about 4 meters of webbing and I think that's enough. I don't want any knots because I want to save space. Is sewing the only option? If so, do sewed straps hold better than knots?
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How are Hennessy Hammocks? Is hyperlight just a meme? What other essentials do I need for hammock camping?
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>>685065
dude just buy proper seatbelt-style tree straps. they're ony a few dolla and peace of mind is an important thing when it comes to your rigging. don't go trying to sew webbing yourself. fuckin' eh.
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>>685083
B-but DIY is fun. Also I don't need that long straps because whoopie slings are adjustable enough.
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>>685094
>B-but DIY is fun
yeah i'm with you that, generally. i'm just not feeling it when it comes to hammock suspension is all. but more power to you! just make sure you don't drop in the middle of the night and smiash your tailbone :[
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>>685101
Yeah, I might just buy them though because like you said, peace of mind is important. Gotta just find the right ones. All I really need is two not too long loop ended straps.
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>>685083
1 isn't gonna hang a hammock
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>>685130
it's a pair of straps you twatbucket
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>>685065
I knotted my straps, it works just fine. You're probably using a few extra feet total of strap, but I don't really think it's worth worrying about. I certainly don't think it adds to the bulk appreciably, and I've never had a problem with the knots coming undone.
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>>685152
Actually true, I made them and they are long enough. I used my TTTM hooks.
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>>680386
my first reaction
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>>685065
Learn how to use a marlin spike and a toggle. That will connect your suspension to the webbing.

Then get a Dutch clip from dutchware gear. Put that on your webbing.

Now you have tree straps.
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