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Hey /out/, I've got a puzzle-challenge for you.

Let's suppose you needed to travel by sea in an innawoods scenario. What I mean by that is your budget is severely limited and you want to avoid governments, coast guards, big trade routes and so on.

How would you go about travelling across a small sea, for example Europe - Africa via the Mediterranean, or UK - Norway via the North sea?

The challenge is you have to ROW. This is because motor boats have too much bureaucracy associated with them, i.e permits, licenses, mooring and such. What you want is a simple boat/canoe/gig, that is also reliable (motor could break down, requires fuel, etc.)

ALSO, because, realistically, you would innawoods as a team, you have to take 6-8 people with you.

So I leave it to you- what is your plan of action? Where do you get a good cheap boat? How do you sleep, feed, etc? What do you bring? How do you land? What do you do if a current takes you away and you don't have enough supplies?

Tl;dr conditions of challenge
>$2000 dollar budget
>8 crew members
>No motors or sails, just rowing
>The less noticable the trip the better, but it should stretch the system in such a way that it is legal
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Have a large sized row boat (sorta like a vikeing ship - the sails). Pack a large fishing net to supply long term food but before leaveing buy a crate of MRE's. For cooking have a small propane powered stove. For water bring 200+ water bottles and a home made convection/evaporation device to purify sea watter. Idk about rute I'm american don't know my way around. I don't really know all that much about sea travel so I'll probably get lost.
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>>680139
Nice, where did you get that boat from? Price?
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I would probably buy some sea wrothy ship and modify it to hold more paddles and have storage bins. I never thought about it becuse I'm in a landlocked state so geting out on any body of water is hard.
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>>680125
whyno, sails?,,
, Radar cant see, wood,or glass., and a BIG parasail, would have other uses too.
,your in Pirate waters,, look contagious.
,,,8 people?, naa, justhe GF!
,pic> small boats haulout easy.
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Paint yourself blue and paddle across in your hammock
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>>680348
God damn, you're like my stupid nigress of an ex-gf. Can't use punctuation or make sense in general to save your life.
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>>680573
In his defence, a huge (probably like 40%) portion of users on 4chan are intoxicated by alcohol or drugs at any moment, but we rarely notice. So it's okay for one to pop in.
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>>680348
Operating a sail is hard, and doesn't give you as much freedom of movement.

Rowing is the most basic form of seafaring. Any inexperienced dude can do it.
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>>680573
>>680729
>The year of our lord, 2nd century 16th year
>Not being able to detect a stealth baconrider
Don't fuck with baconrider when he's undercover, he'll cut you in half with his bike that he peddles with his hands. Then /n/ will roll up and make your whole crew collapse.

But seriously, OP, go for a sailboat. Nobody is gonna sleep on a rowboat in the open seas unless you're rolling norse rowboat, then you need at least 30 people and way more than $2k.
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>>680125
What are you trying to get into another country anon? You're not people smuggling are you, or is it something else?
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>>680735
>Nobody is gonna sleep on a rowboat in the open seas unless you're rolling norse rowboat, then you need at least 30 people and way more than $2k.
How is that? If you have 8 people you can alternate sleeping and rowing, so that there is someone always awake and looking out for other barges / etc.
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>>680753
>If you have 8 people you can alternate sleeping and rowing
The problem is that a boat that is small enough to be rowed successfully by 8 people is not large enough for an ocean voyage. If you had a boat big enough for 2 people to sleep at a time then you would have a hard time rowing it. The mechanical efficiency is limited, really.
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>>680764
What if you used a boat like this?

It seems large enough to allow some sleeping, and it is streamlined for rowing.

I've read about a group of 4 who rowed across the Atlantic ocean. They had a fairly large boat, and their shift worked with 2 people rowing, 1 person navigating and controlling the direction, and 1 person sleeping. Considering their journey lasted 60 days and they had to carry lots of supplies as well as the bedroom, they still managed by being powered by 2 rowers.

If you had a much shorter trip (of a few days) you wouldn't need as many supplies, so surely rowing will be practical?

Link to article: http://www.alastairhumphreys.com/adventures/rowing-atlantic/
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>>680735
>The year of our lord, 2nd century 16th year
>being 1800 years behind us
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>>680735
Is baconrider some /n/igger tripfag? I don't want him in my thread
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>>680125
So your refugee visa got denied?
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>>680125
Ready to plunder England.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannes_Lindemann

Some german guy crossed the atlantic. In this thing. In the 50ies. Alone.
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>>681758
I've read about him, he's really cool. But he crafted the boat himself and, ironically, it's harder to find a multi person rowing boat than a small one.
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>$2000 dollar budget
People don't usually cross oceans in $2000 boats. The only real solution with that type of money constraint would be to build your own row boat.
>8 crew members
Now you're talking about a rather large vessel (impossibru.jpg)
>No motors or sails, just rowing
Every civilization with the exception of a lot of African countries has harnessed the techonology of sailing. Now you are being very unrealistic
You could get a solar still to "make" freshwater.
Buy a Pilot Chart to show the prevailing currents and winds for the particular month you are in. We used them extensively in the merchant marines when crossing oceans. They work. Provisions (food) are a huge obstacle. Fishing can supplement some of your food but you'll still need a metric ass-load.
Stay home, it's much safer.
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>>682008
One question about sailing- what if a large trading vessel is coming your way in a busy area ? How do you immediately navigate away from it, do you row ?

Thanks for the App suggestion- sailing may indeed be a good option, especially with a non sporty crew like mine.

An about the price, I considered ordering a boat from an independent crafter who specialises in 6-8 man rowing sport boats (gigs) but not sure if 2000$ is any close to his price
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>>682693
The "pecking order" for the type of vessels that are stand-on vs. give way in a meeting situation are as follows:
Not Under Command
Restricted in Ability to maneuver
Constrained by Draft
Fishing vessel
Sailing vessel
Power Driven vessel (with no limitations)
Seaplane
A good memory aid is; New Reels Catch Fish So Purchase Some (New= Not under command, Reels= Restricted in Ability to Maneuver and so on...) In other words, the seaplane has to stay out of everybody's way. In your case, as a sailing vessel, you'd have to stay out of all the vessels above you in the list. You would have the right away over a power driven vessel which has no maneuvering limitations, i.e., not in a channel, not restricted by draft, etc. The above is just a small portion of "The Rules of the Road" or COLREGS. You need to know all of them before going to sea.
http://www.mar.ist.utl.pt/mventura/Projecto-Navios-I/IMO-Conventions%20%28copies%29/COLREG-1972.pdf
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Rowing is also going to require a lot more food than sailing, increasing weight, and therefore drag, further increasing the amount of calories required to move the thing.

Throw up a sail, get a solar still, pack a ton of spam and powdered breakfast drink and take that trip solo so you don't have to deal with being confined with eight other people you don't like.
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>>680732
youve clearly never sailed. if you have a modern sailboat, you dont need have the wind directly in your sails.
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>>682714
I understand that some vessels will have different privileges compared to mine, but in the case that I have to move how would I go about doing so? Do people on sails whip out oars and row?

Also I thought an advantage of rowing would be using it inland in rivers- or am I mistaken, can this be done with sails as well?
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>>682974
It seems you are fundamentally mistaken in your understanding of how sailing works. The gist of it : basically any sailing vessel built in the last two centuries can go almost any way you want it to. You seem to think that a sailboat can only go in the direction of the wind.
Anyway virtually all sailboats have small engines to navigate in harbours and moor at quays.
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>>682979
>Anyway virtually all sailboats have small engines to navigate in harbours and moor at quays.
That's where my problem lies, an engine automatically means your boat needs to be registered, insured, blah blah it is not quick nor cheap. That's why I thought of rowing, or using a combination of sailing and rowing.
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>>683047
Are you really this dense? I told you of the aux. engine only as a general thing. Did you read the rest of the message? Wind is plenty enough and how it's been done for centuries.
>An engine automatically means registration
Not always, not everywhere.
>Rowing, or a combination of the two
Why the fuck would you row when you have sails?
>in the case that I have to move how would I go about doing so? Do people on sails whip out oars and row?
Holy shit this is retarded.
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>>683057
>in the case that I have to move how would I go about doing so? Do people on sails whip out oars and row?
>Holy shit this is retarded.

What?

If there is no wind, or it is very small, and there is a giant trading vessel coming your way what will you do smartass?
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>>683083
If there is no wind at all, you can't leave port short of being towed, so the point is moot. Then you should respect priorities and channels. You shouldn't be at sea if you can't understand this. Then if you actually are unable to move, you're in distress, have tremendously fucked up due to your own incompetence and should signal appropriately. "Whipping out oars" on a 20' sailboat is ludicrous.
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>>683097
>leaves port with wind
>ends up in busy area
>wind stops
>vessel coming your way

Are you just trying to say that the chance of that happening is so very very small that there is no need to prepare for it, either because of wind always being available or because the sea is so large a direction collision is statistically impossible?
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In terms of sailing vessels, a 20-24 ft twin keeled sailboat is what you want. (no engine of course)
afaik twin keeled boats are more popular in England due to its higher tides than other places. The twin keels allow the boat to sit on the ground on low tide, while maintaing stability on open ocean. Anything bigger than 25 feet and the maintenance costs and ability for the boat to be less noticeable become troublesome.

To all these idiots arguing about the wind dying and getting run the fuck over by a cargo ship are neglecting that the OP said "away from trade routes". Also in addition, you would have to be an idiot to actually stop at a marina/port because thats where the coast guard lurk and where the harbormasters need to know your documents before letting you dock there.

you should actually sail into some river/creek and anchor there unnoticed and using a small rowboat to get supplies from the boat to the shore or vice versa. the term is called Gunkholing.

The main problem i see is that you cant exactly fit 8 people onto one of these boats for more than a day, weekend at most. boats this size are really meant for 3 people and under.
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>>683333
Thanks dude!

Can you still answer >>683106 cause that guy left? I know I said away from trade routes, but some places (e.g. the North sea) are always busy, and if you were to land in a vaguely large city you would still face cargo ships. So how do you avoid them?

About 8 people - True, it won't be nice conditions at all, but I suppose for short crossings it will do. Maybe I'll just buy a $50 rubber dinghy and attach it from behind ; )
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>>683106
It sounds like youve never been in a harbor before or at sea at all. Listen to those who know what they're talking about like >>683333 (nice quads btw)

if you stick to the rules of boating, like driving, youll avoid collision easily. NOT CRASHING is really not that hard.

ex
>wind stops
>vessel coming your way

1 why would you be in its way to begin with? even if its miles away you have to be conscious about it.
2 the wind rarely just "stops" for long periods of time. ocean breeze comes pretty frequent and even if its small its enough to push your theoretical boat.
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>>684090
>It sounds like youve never been in a harbor before or at sea at all.
No shit

Why can't you people just express a simple thought in one sentence

But thanks for your answer nontheless
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