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Greetings from /k/. I go innawoods 2-3 times a year, always in summer. I want to broaden my horizons and knowledge, so I have some questions for you guys.

>how do you keep your weight down? Seems no matter how I pack I am always 45lbs+.
>If I am entirely naked with no supplies in the woods, how can I start a fire?
>Is fishing/hunting/trapping/foraging good enough to skip packing a few meals?
>Can I replace a tent with a bivvy or tarp and be as warm/comfy?
>How do you keep dry in the winter?

I have more, but letting me know this for now would help me greatly.

Pic related, one of the places where I like to camp.
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>>677665
>>Can I replace a tent with a bivvy or tarp and be as warm/comfy?

A good small tent is maybe the same weight as a tarp, so no savings there. My bulkiest thing is a mattress, maybe raking up grass or something to put down a soft underlayer would be best. You still need blankets or a sleeping bag.

Some places I go fishing works, but hunting you have to worry about limited seasons. (Maybe you make do on squirrels and rabbits with a .22) Good luck for foraging with the two weeks some berries are around.

>How do you keep dry in the winter?
GOOD TENT, GOOD PLACEMENT
Think hard about where rain will go if it comes overnight, snow should be OK.

In your pic, find the highest ground, then get all the grass you can pile up under the tent.
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>>677665
I don't winter camp, but I like mountain camping, where it can get below 32F, even 20F at night.

Or it can stay warm and rain. Once I woke up still dry and comfy on my mat, but the lower side of my tent had a puddle soaking my bag and clothes.

> Oh well, I'm trying to be a mountain-man, not a metrosexual....
>I can wear the same clothes next day :(
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>>677665
>45lbs+
For a one week trip, it should stay under 25lbs.
I understand you carry guns and ammo. This is not going to be light. If you have tools that you don't use or if you can get less tools to do the things you need to be done, there is weight to save.

>If I am entirely naked with no supplies in the woods, how can I start a fire?
Don't. You have a limited time before you pass out, use it to find a road or something.
If you have your gears, you must at least take two bics. You are free to get more things.

>Is fishing/hunting/trapping/foraging good enough to skip packing a few meals?
Of course. Alternatively, you can carry no meat at all, just corn or rice or things like that so you won't be hungry if you fail and success is more rewarding.

>Is fishing/hunting/trapping/foraging good enough to skip packing any meals?
Nope.

>Can I replace a tent with a bivvy or tarp and be as warm/comfy?
Nope. Tarps protect you from rain only, eventually reduce the wind. Biwies have a condensation problem and you can't sit in it.

>How do you keep dry in the winter?
You clothes must be easy to adapt to the variations of temperature, wind, sun and your physical activities. Open/close your coat all the time. Get a small scarf and remove it if needed. Get a coat whose sleeves can be wide open or tightly closed.
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>>677665
>>how do you keep your weight down? Seems no matter how I pack I am always 45lbs+.
mostly discipline (a smaller pack helps), keep it to the essential plus food. Also try to bring down the weight of your main items (pack, sleep system, shelter) if possible. Ditch every item you brought last time and didn't used and is not essential survival gear for your area/season.

>>If I am entirely naked with no supplies in the woods, how can I start a fire?
like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScmQxuRrFww

>>Is fishing/hunting/trapping/foraging good enough to skip packing a few meals?
Only if you think longterm and are experienced at doing so. Forget about it if you are in just for a couple days.

>>Can I replace a tent with a bivvy or tarp and be as warm/comfy?
No you can't. However you can have an acceptable level of comfort/warmth with a bivy/tarp if needed.

>>How do you keep dry in the winter?
Not much of an issue, everything is frozen anyways. bring an eva pad to sit on during rests
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>>677665
45 lbs is not a bad weight it's what like 20 kg?
most people get to 45 kg or more easily for a couple of days hike.

most of the weight is water and food tho. if you are absolutely sure you can find potable water and food then you can save a lot of weight.
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>>677776
>Only if you think longterm and are experienced at doing so. Forget about it if you are in just for a couple days.
dunno man for a couple of day if you pack nothing to eat you are still good. up to 9 days it's pretty safe bet that you will survive.
long term if the hunting doesn't work out or you get injured / sick then having food for a couple of weeks or even months is crucial.
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>>677780
>if you pack nothing to eat you are still good.
No, you are fucking miserable, you are not good.
I often>>677779

>most people get to 45 kg or more easily for a couple of days hike.
bring a small fishing rod to my outings, but thats because I like fishing, not because I think it will save me some weight.
No, 45kg is bullshit and not even the worst newb brings that much gear.
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>>677782
>No, you are fucking miserable
yeah sure but that is the worst that happens
for example you go to a week of fishing trip with a tent and you only bring snacks and a couple of beer if you catch nothing you will be pretty miserable by day 3 but you will not die and if you are too miserable you can go home.

on the other hand in a long term survival situation you are severely fucked if you go at it without a significant amount of food.
>No, 45kg is bullshit and not even the worst newb brings that much gear.
well only the water for 7 days is 21 kg, if you bring some hydrated food like a kg of bacon a kg of bread, spices and whatnot you will be in the 25 kg range for food only.
then you will have to bring a couple of more items for cooking and processing firewood which are especially heavy.
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>>677785
>well only the water for 7 days is 21 kg,
Thats why you you bring a filter. No one is carrying the water for a week.
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>>677785
to expand on this my usual stuff for 3 days was like this:

>backpack, polar blankets, bivy 1-2kg
>spare clothes 1-2kg
>tent about 2-3kg
>a sturdy camping chair 1kg (optional, i don't like to sit on the ground)
>an axe 2kg
>various small items like knife eating knife, pocket saw 2kg
>a multifunctional cooking pot 1kg
>a knife 0.5kg
>a flashlight with spare batteries 0.5kg
>2 canned food item for each day let's say 0,5 kg per day
>1 fruit juice (usually peach with tons of sugar) 1 kg per day
>1 bottle of water 1.5 kg per day
>1 inflatable mattress 5kg

somewhere about 27 kg and this was for summer and 3 days only with no particular toys for fishing.
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>>677787
i wouldn't drink that water we were near usually not even filtered nope.jpg no amount of filtering will remove all heavy metals and dissolved toxins.
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>>677665
>How do you keep dry in the winter?

mainly you need a warm sleeping bag the rest is determined by your budget.

pic related: SOMEONE TALK ME OUTTA BUYING THIS TENT! it's like an obsession
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>>677804
i was gonna say it looks fine, but it's retardedly expensive
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>>677815
>expensive

yeah, like how much would this cost if it was made in an Asian sweatshop? Are we paying for Swedish cradle-to-grave socialism? in the 1980's I had a Sierra Designs "Snow Dragon" Part of me wants to relive the glory of having such an extreme tent Pic related: Petra is a babe.
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>>677788
Sorry, but that is a really retarded pack list, you don't need most of that gear for having a good time outdoors. I hope you camped close to your car, because there is no way you gonna haul this for long. Seriously, I'm still baffled from your gear list, I wonder you managed to find your way back into civilization.
>walked 20 days trough Iceland
>14kg base weight, plus food & gas
>that was a solo hike, so a flare and a spot included in the weight.
>I'm not even UL fag, just regular gear.

>>677789
If you enjoy camping next to the toxic waste dump, thats fine, but most of us do not, and hence we have something like a sawyer or a steripen
>thousands of gallons of drinking water, at around 100g of weight

>>677804
Thats a full scale really expensive and heavy expedition tent. If you do not plan to do an Arctic expedition or a Himalaya climbing tour, it is overkill in every sense of the word and you'd be a retarded gearfag to buy one (which you likely are anyways). If you need a solid tent that can cope well with cold weather and torrential rainfalls, get a Bergans tunnel tent, at a fraction of the cost and weight.
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>>677788
>>backpack, polar blankets, bivy 1-2kg
ok
>>spare clothes 1-2kg
more than spare socks, on undie and one fleece jacket is overkill for 3 days.
>>tent about 2-3kg
heavy, but ok
>>a sturdy camping chair 1kg (optional, i don't like to sit on the ground)
useless weight, an EVA pad will keep your ass dry as well and weight next to nothing.
>>an axe 2kg
useless weight
>>various small items like knife eating knife, pocket saw 2kg
useless weight
>>a multifunctional cooking pot 1kg
I can bring 10 pots for this.
>>a knife 0.5kg
how many knifes do you exactly need to feel like a man?
>>a flashlight with spare batteries 0.5kg
flashlights are useless, get a headlamp, also 0.1kg
>>2 canned food item for each day let's say 0,5 kg per day
canned food is dead weight
>>1 fruit juice (usually peach with tons of sugar) 1 kg per day
more dead weight
>>1 bottle of water 1.5 kg per day
and some more dead weight
>>1 inflatable mattress 5kg
sensible chuckle, this is ridicoulous

Seriously, you posted a perfect example of how not to do it.
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>>677859
>retarded gearfag
maybe if somebody calls me retarded a few more times it'll get removed from my "shopping cart"

https://youtu.be/c6xnQnhAr4s
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>>677926
>ass expensive 4 season expedition tent
>4.3kg
>basically just for car camping overnighters
Yes, you are really smart and you should absolutely buy that tent.
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