/ug/ - ultralight general.

>>667569
>Itt: pompous asshole hammockfags

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>>667569
Why isn't there an ultraheavy general? This is discrimination I tells ya.

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>>667569
>ultralight
>carrying excess facial hair
>mfw

>>667578
> wearing a ballcap and a hood

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>>667581
>wearing a massive fucking sundial on your wrist

and i bet that faggot has an iphone, gopro and solar charger in that retarded backpack

>>667585
That sure as hell isn't a cuben fiber backpack

>Ultralight
>Not just going out with a knife

Look at all that shit on his back, when he could use his knoife to make a trap, catch animals, and make a sacks out of their hides, as well as shelter with tree limbs and baked clay.

>>667589
http://indefinitelywild.gizmodo.com/adventure-tested-hyperlite-mountain-gear-southwest-340-1613834205

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>>667569
I wonder how much the camera weighs that took the pic

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>>667600
> 2 pounds

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>>667600
Do you even über light?

www.zpacks.com/backpacks/zero.shtml

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>ultralight
>wearing clothes

>>667645
>ultralight
>wearing skin and not a 95% lighter synthetic aerogel skin replacement

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>>667569
Nvm the lame, poorfag haters. Cool pic, anon.

Can we all agree that ultralightfags are the ultimate /out/ cancer?

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>>667699
No.

UL is the way.

>>667569
Is the trekkertent stealth good for a entry level ul shelter?

>>667571

fyi most UL campers consider a hammock too heavy.

>>667699
No,

i don't UL but i do respect them. In general, they have very good practice of LNT, which is always good. Also I never see a fat UL guy, i think it is because these guys are serious about their shit, and actually do go /out/ a lot, unlike a lot of the fat preppers, milsurp guys, rambo's, hunters, tnf posers, fjallraven posers. Also they inspire and drive the industry to innovations, which at the far UL spectrum may be ridiculously expensive, or just plain ridiculous, but the better techniques and materials will seep through to more common gear which is good. The last point also has a drawback though, it gives brands like TNF the excuse to bring out pleb tier gear made out of cheap material, with the excuse that its lightweight so they can charge loads of shekels for it. But this is only a disadvantage for plebs who don't know their shit and their only source for information on gear is the commercials they get shoved up their ass while watching the Bear Grylls show. I guess it makes them pissed about UL, i guess those people are also the guys bitching in this thread.

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I hear the call of my UL brothers and sisters.

I backpack in the USA PNW; including a down vest and frogg toggs not pictured, the weight is 9.5 lbs.

>>667720
Nah, it's just because fat is too heavy for UL fags.

>>667725
exactly, they are willing to work out and train for their /out/ings, which means they are serious about their shit.

>>667724
>ul
>stupid bih heavy ass camera

>>667735
UL means LOW BASEWEIGHT.

If you like, you can then bring MORE of what you want, like liqiur, food, climbing equipment, rope, photography equipment, fishing equipment etc.

Why is this so hard for people to understand? You cut down weight, to free yourself from many of the limitations that regular backpacker have to live with.

You can have a 50 poud loadout, and still be UL: You just carry food for your month long hike.

>>667720
The only UL guy I know is an experienced trail runner. He and his wife routinely do 50-100 mile races. I'm basically ultralight in that I buy expensive gear and don't carry four knives or three shelters on each trip, though I don't go as far as snipping tags off everything. I've started running too which has helped a lot with my hiking speed.

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>Ultralight reading list:
Beyond Backpacking - Ray Jardine
The Ray-Way Tarp Book Essential - Ray Jardine
Lighten Up! - Don Ladigin (Illustrated by Mike Clelland!)
Ultralight Backpackin' Tips - Mike Clelland!
Allen & Mike's Really Cool Backpackin' Book - Allen O'Brien (Illustrated by Mike Clelland!)
The Ultimate Hiker’s Gear Guide - Andrew Skurka

Any other suggestions?

>>667811
>"wear all yer clothes, including gloves"
have fun trying to warm up for the first 2 hours.

>>667595
Try doing that above the tree line

Or do you only get your /out/ knowledge from television?

>>667720
This
>been backpacking since 90
>did fine without UL gear
>still slowly replacing my gear with UL gear
Just because people have been backpacking without UL gear since there have been people doesn't mean that I'm going to ignore technological improvements that can make it easier
Who doesn't want to carry less weight, or more food, meaning you can stay out longer?

>>667724
Where is your poop shovel?

>>667811
do ultralights actually sleep with their clothes on?

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>>667917
Almost conclusively yes.

Of course -- if it's nice and warm, then, sure, lay some aside.

The point is -- every item of clothing i _potentially_ a part of your sleep system.

Pretty retarded to lug along lots of clothing you don't need, right?

(Decided to make Mike Clelland!'s illustrations an integral part of /out/-discussions)

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>>667924
Darn, wrong image..

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>>667924
>no tight layers
>sweat pants
>oversized shoes

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>>667931
Well -- I don't think that the sweat pants thing should be taken to literally; Point is; Layer Up! Oversized shoes is a must if you actually hike, and loose baselayers will always be a good thing.

>>667924
that's strange though because i always sleep in a t-shirt and underwear and if it's really cold i wear my socks too but never fully clothed. if i do i wake up and it feels like my clothing is useless. i struggle to warm up unless i do proper exercise to get warm but who wants to start the day with 50 jumping jacks and push ups when /out/?

>>667941
ps i'm not an ultralight hiker.

>>667924
What's the plan if it have been raining all day and it's 40-50F?

> loose baselayers will always be a good thing.
Enlighten me why a loose fit is better than a tight fit.

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Mine weighs only 10gramms

>>668133
Loose clothes touch your skin less, leaving more of a nice cozy and warm layer of air between you and the elements. Heat transfer through conduction happens faster when your clothing is tight around your skin.

Don't forget to trim off any loose threads, you'd be surprised how that can add up!

Seriously, though... most people do carry too much weight when backpacking, but you've never heard anyone use the word "extremist" to denote a positive quality in a person.

>>668143
That's what a mid layer is for. Base layer should be against the skin to effectively transport moisture away from your body.

>>667617
>www.zpacks.com/backpacks/zero.shtml

That's just a fucking trash bag with straps attached

>>668218
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuben_Fiber

>>667866
Not him but usually I just use a stick or a rock or my hiking pole

>>668299
And you dig a hole 6 inches deep?

>>668312
And he clears an area no less than five feet from around his firepit of all organic matter and keeps a bucket of water and a shovel nearby, just like the rest of us.

>/out/ says UL gear or practices is for faggots
>recommends milsurp gear, carrying an axe and 4 knives, "tactical assault" packs, and says sleeping pads are for pussies

I think I get why this board is so fucking slow now. In attempting to look more hardcore than one another you've effectively driven off anybody who might know what they're talking about. I'm /out/ guys, hope it improves.

>>667724
So you survive overnighters with a packet of ritz bitz?
Also that camera is way too heavy

>>667725
As it is for any athlete. Making fun of people who take their hobbies seriously is retarded. As long as it doesn't bother others, I don't see what is wrong with having a passion. "Ultralighter" is basically synonymous with "experienced backpacker." Hyperlite is where it gets kind of insane.

>>668370
food varies based on the trip. this is just my base gear.

>>667735
name a lighter full frame DSLR than the canon 6D. I can get ~1000 photos on a single charge, it's weather sealed and rugged, the OVF is infallable, has excellent dynamic range and the most accurate focusing short of a $7000 (and heavier) 1Dx. Plus I can mount pretty much any lens I want.

>>668299
>>667866
I usually turn over a rock or log, and then dig the hole a little deeper with my poles if needed. sure, I cheat a little sometimes, but it's not the end of the world.

>>668346

You just have to ignore the /k/ommandos.
It's easy to spot them because they are always carrying absurd items, moving slow, only walking a few miles, making a fire, in bed after week after dark and don't crawl out of bed until the sun has been up for 4 hours.

>>667576
Wow, I don't envy him. Must kill his back.

>>667924
>>667926
>>667811
These setups don't look like they'd go very cold. What are they rated to?
I want
Gortex army bivvi
jungle sleeping bag
MULTIMAT AIR MATTRESS- SELF INFLATING LIGHTWEIGHT TREKKER 25S

wool base layers, hat and sleeping socks

reckon that would be good lightweight

>>668795
can you give us more info on the products that you're considering? there are many bivy sacks and jungle sleeping bags on the market.

>>668346
It's always been slow, and it's always been full of idiots speaking authoritatively about things they actually know little to nothing about, with a very few exceptions.

>>668797
I was thinking these, was hoping theyd be suited for backpacking in nepal, no mountain peaks like

http://www.snugpak.com/outdoor/sleeping-bags/travelpak-traveller

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/British-Army-Gore-Tex-Bivi-Bivvy-Bag-Green-Fishing-Festival-Gear-Rave-camping-/281912841646?hash=item41a35095ae:g:XVAAAOSwBahVdyqw

>>667600
>55L
>ultralight
If you carry 55L of shit, you're not ultralight.

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>>669110
holy shit you are retarded

>>669110
>a pond of gold weighs more than a pound of feathers

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>>668346
Welcome to the /out/liers

What board do you come from?

>claiming to be ultralight
>wearing pants
If it's hot, wear speedos or hiking underwear. If it's cold or raining, wear unlined goretex rain pants
inb4 muh pockets, muh public decency

>>667571
>hammockfags
>UL
Tarp m8

>>669110
What is food and water?

>>669126
>that horseshit image
>/tv/ having anything in it other than drooling retards
>/trv/ and its load of 20something college dropouts backpacking across europe and teaching english in asia being that smart