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What do you have in your pack /out/?

I'm going to spend a few nights camping in either Glacier National Park, Montana or somewhere in Wyoming/Utah. This loadout is pretty budget tier, and any suggestions would be appreciated.

Starting right to left, working itself down.

1) High Sierra Titan 55L (with glowstick attachment, and first aid in top pocket)
2) 2L Hydration bladder w/ hose
3) Misc. sleepwear
4) Pillow case stuffed with Misc. Clothing
5) Compact blanket (needs upgrading)
6) Sleep pad
7) Marmot Limelight 2 person tent
8) Repel 100 DEET
9) Solar Blanket
10) 1 yard Duct tape
11) Garmin Etrex Legend GPS
12) 3 pieces bug repellent bracelets
13) Firestarting kit in tin (stomeproof matches, Dryer lint, wax soaked wood, Carmex)
14) Denatured Alcohol for aluminum stove
15) Nalgene
16) Swedish Volcano stove
17) Crushed water bottle
18) Czech 2 piece cook wear (fits inside itself)
19) Aluminum stove
20) Sawyer Squeeze kit
21) Cooking Grate
22) 100 feet paracord
23) Epipen
24) Mini Bic
25) Suunto & Silva compass
26) Camp Soap
27) Toilet paper
28) SOG Seal Pup (AUS 6) (Gerber LMF II swappable)
29) Spyderco Military (S30V)
30) Firestriker
31) Princeton Tec EOS Headlamp
32) Mini Maglite LED
33) Thrunite Archer 1A v2
34) Handsanitizer
35) Toothbrush

Other static items
- Merrell Reflex II Mids and Keen Hiking boots Mids
- Condor Summit Zero + Northface Venture
- Shemagh
- Spare batteries
- Canon sx280hs
- M&P 9 in drop holster
- Condor Cobra EDC belt
- Map of area
Where's all your food?
>no food
>can't check the catalog
>is a faggot

You're screwed.
Please point me to the thread. All I saw was bugout, which is different than camping.

I always purchase food shortly before camping. No need to have it a month and a half in advance.

I saw that, and figured it was for new items of gear as there is no discussion or posts about current loadouts.
Besides no food it looks like a solid load out. Of course using a hammock would cut your weight drastically and free up tons of space in your pack for more/better food. Do you clip the tent on the outside or is it kept in your bag? Ever since I got a hammock I can't imagine going back to lugging a tent around.
It's a two person so the weight would be split with my buddy. The food that I do have consists of a 2 pound bag of rice, mountain house food, dried fruits/nuts. Obviously I'll be packing more closer to the date.

I've thought about a hammock and I'll probably end up buying one this summer.
Oh leave him alone. /out/ is the slowest board
What are you planning to cut wood with, /k/ommando?
My gear as it will be for my 9 day trek of Torres del Paine in Chilean Patagonia:

General -

Pack: Osprey Aether 70L
Tent: Big Agnes Seedhouse SL2
Pad: Thermarest Prolite
Bag: Kelty Cosmic 21
Pillow: Exped Inflatable
Filter: Platypus 4L
Cookware: Various Titanium bits

Clothing -

Pants: Fjallraven Kebs
Base: Stoic Merino Bliss
Mid: Black Diamond Tangent Polartec
Cold: Outdoor Research Down sweater
Shell: Marmot Precip
Socks: Smartwool PhD midweight
Boots: Arcteryx Bora

Electronics -

Camera: GoPro Hero 3+ with 5000mah battery
Power: Anker 28600 mah portable battery
GPS: Garmin eTrex Touch 35
Some other flashlights and shit
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and all of my food. Next time I do a longer trip like this i'm definitely going to need to re think my food. It is bulky as fuck and i'm sure there is a lot of weight in just packaging. The freeze dried shit is convenient but not the best when there is a lot of it trying to be packed in a small space....
Like the rat packs. Any chance of some menus?
I assume the numbers at bottom are calories?
And do you just do these as trips are planned or buy supplies when on special and make them up as ingredients allow?
Is that a thigh rig? Confirmed faggot. If your planning to do a lot of walking/hiking thigh rigs suck ass
Unless you have some specific reason for needing them, I'd get rid of the extra stove, knife, pot, flashlight, paracord, and pistol.

I'd also get rid of all the fire starting stuff except the lighter.
All of this literally looks brand new. Is it?
Where is your sleeping bag?
>no snow shoes
I would check the conditions again.
Have a nice and fun trip, anon.
I'd go ahead and pack a FULL roll of TP but that's just my personal prefs...
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All packed up for this weekend's /out/ing if thread is still up when I get home from work I may take a pic when packing it up for real.
Deadfall, or meme baton. I should get a hand saw or hatchet though.

I thought thigh rigs helped with support since it takes weight off your back?

Yeah, majority of it has replaced my former equipment and hasn't been used yet. I have been planning a trip since I last went a year ago and have been slowly phasing out old stuff with newer equiptment.

Just have two fleece blankets, which will be replaced by a sleeping bag. No worries m8

Planning in going early March, so hopefully weather calms down by then. If not, adjustments will be made. Any recommendations in snow boots?

True.. Who knows when the shits come about
I could do without the flashlight and pistol, you're right. I figure the paracord will be good to hang my good and other general uses, and I always like to have multiple ways if firestarting. Could probably just use one know too

Agreed. Mind giving us an idea of what's typically in each?
Why? Isn't a regular frontal better?
Glorious sleep pad is glorious.
Where is your food?

I think you should get a real sleeping bag and you don't need the thermos and a cook kit so important.
First legit load out I've seen on /out/. Good job op. I'd personally take a glock but that's not a big deal.
Following hiking buddies in the dark, setting up a designated shit area, landmark, hang in tent for light, etc. Not necessary at all, but it weighs nothing.

Food is bought before trip.

Lol, thanks

Like i said, this is my first time packing food for that long so it's not perfect but here's what i packed for a typical day:

Mountain House Breakfast Skillet (most calorie dense freeze dried breakfast) - 960 kcal
Pack of Almond MMs - 400 kcal
Raw trail mix 3 oz - 400 kcal
Pro Bar Meal (these things are awesome, perfect backpacking food) - 360 kcal
Fluid Electrolyte Drink Mix - 100 kcal
Clif Shot Energy Gel - 100 kcal
Mountain House Chicken and Rice Diner - 540 kcal
Coffee - 0 kcal

That was pretty much what made up the minimum for each day, right around 2800 calories. Then I'd adjust up and down from there depending on activity level for the day. On my longer days I added something for variety like jerky, another gel, and like a fiber / protein bar and maybe a dessert treat like some cookies to get the calorie count up to 3500 or 4000.
if I knew I'd be eating the freeze dried food soon, I like to dump the contents into a plastic bag (ziplock or others). then a plastic container, like a peanut butter jar or tupperware can be used to rehydrate the meals.

some people will repackage the food into thick freezer bags and rehydrate directly into those.

if you don't want to repack, simple pinhole in each package to let out the air, and then resealed with tape helps a bit too.

oh, and don't forget to trim the corners of the mountainhouse packs, or they can puncture nearby bags.

happy trails, and hope you can share photos with us
I tried posting mine a few days ago, but no replies. Currently looking for a new backpack and the Falcon 3 is looking like my main suspect but I want to do more research before I put money down.
Bushcraft Gear List
10lbs. 13.7oz Base Weight

1 lb. 1.5 oz Rolly Polly Extreme

1 lb. 6.8 oz Stansport Tarp
1 lb. 8.4 oz Grandtrunk Ultralight Hammock/ Atlas Suspension Straps
6.5 oz. Shemagh
9.1 oz Merino Long Sleeve Shirt
3.0 oz Woolsmart Socks x2

1 lb. 2.7 oz EDC Pouch (Small Tools/Medkit)
8.9 oz Bk16
6.7 oz Bahco Laplander
2.5 oz Stanley Headlamp
4 oz Maglite LED XL 50
3.6 oz TP
7.6 oz 100ft Paracord

12.1 oz Guyot SS 32 oz/ Blue Desert Hydration System (Empty)
13.7 oz Naglene SS 38 oz (Empty)
7.7 oz Stanley SS Cooker
1.3 oz Shammy/ Brillo Pad

On Person-
Felt Wide-brimmed Hat
Merino Long-sleeved Shirt
Dickies Short Sleeved Shirt ( Synthetic Auto-Wicking)
Dickies Work Pants ( Synthetic Auto-Wicking)
Woolsmart Merino Socks
Leather Boots
Merino Gloves

SOL Escape Bivi
Fishing Kit

EDC Pouch-
Riteinrain Pad
Nail Clipper
Boker Oilpen
Mini Bic
Steel Wool
Prid (Blister Balm)
Badger Balm (Hydrating Oils)
Burt's Bees
B.C. Powder (Pain & Caffeine)
Topo Map

If I get the tarp I want. Aqua quest Defender it will add weight but might pack down smaller. Idk honestly I really might go with silnylon but it doesn't seem very tough.
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yeah, i thought about most of those options. definitely did trim the corners though! only reason i opted to not empty out the freeze dried packs is that we'll actually be cruising around puerto natales and punta arenas for a while before going into TDP and i was worried the meals might get ruined by moisture from not being sealed.

After this trip I will be starting to make my own "freeze dried" meals so that they will be a bit more portable.

Thank you for the warm wishes, and I will absolutely post pictures!
Pretty sure I've seen you post this before and responded. You should replace some of that SS with plastic water bottles.

Also don't know where you live, but you'll probably want a sleeping bag and sleeping pad/quilt.
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Mine, 1/2

>1. Carry
Outdoor Research Drycomp Summit Sack 324 g
>2. Shelter
Hyperlite Mountain Gear Flat, square cuben tarp 299 g
Sea To Summit Nano Mosquito Pyramid Insect Shield Net Shelter 82 g
Gossamer Gear Polycryo ground sheet 43 g
Clamcleats Alloy Y Tent Peg - CL622 (x4) 53 g
Ruta Locura 9" Sorex stakes (x4) 28 g
MSR Carbon-Core Tent Stakes (x4) 22 g
Terra Nova Titanium Skewers 1g (x4) 4 g
>3. Sleeping
Enlightened Equipment Prodigy Synthetic Quilt 50F/10C 416 g
Gossamer Gear Nightlight Torso Pad 130 g
>4. In Kitchen pot stuff sack
Trail Designs Caldera cone, wood burning mode 86 g
TOAKS Titanium 900ml Pot 77 g
Wildo Fold-a-Cup 24 g
MYOG Vaseline soaked cotton pads 17 g
Snow Peak Titanium Folding Long Spoon 15 g
Baladeo Deejo 15g Pocket Knife 15 g
BIC Mini Bic lighter 11 g
MYOG Cuben stuff sack, small 4 g
>5.1 Electronics
Silva SIJU Cube Headlamp 30 g
Thread Lite Gear Ultralight Cuben led lantern 12 g
>5.2 Repkit and tools
Leatherman Squirt PS4 Multitool-Red 53 g
Lawson Outdoor Equipment Ironwire Spectra Fusion 38 g
MYOG Ditty bag repair 21 g
Couglan's Waterproof Matches 9 g
Sugru Self-Setting Rubber, one packet 6 g
>5.3 Hygiene
MSR PackTowl Ultralite 14 g
Dr. Bronners Soap in 3ml container 4 g
MYOG Dehydrated toothpaste dots 3 g
MYOG Cuben Fiber Stuff Sack 2 g
MYOG Chopped toothbrush 2 g
Mine, 2/2

>6.1 Consumables
DryTech Real Turmat: Pork in Sweet & Sour 145 g
MYOG Oats 115 g
Saetre Bixit 100 g
Mars Snickers 70 g
Freia Hot Chocolate 28 g
Nestle Nescafe Brasero 12 g
>6.2 Liquid containers
Platypus Platy Bottle 2L 36 g
>8. Carried clothing
Stormberg Skartind Down Puffy 325 g
Stormberg Dovreheia packable jacket 245 g
Devold Sport Man long johns 164 g
MYOG Thick Wool Socks for sleeping 139 g
Marmot Summit Hat 51 g
>9.1 Worn clothing
Salomon X Ultra 2 GTX Hiking Shoe (worn) 0.80 kg
Lundhags Traverse Hiking Pants (worn) 0.56 kg
Norheim Norli Merino shirt (worn) 212 g
Aclima Anarjohka Merino Boxer Shorts (worn)110 g
Devold Sport Headover (worn) 42 g
Montane Power Dry Gloves (worn) 40 g
>9.2 Worn navigation
Silva Forecaster Compass 14 g
MYOG Map 4 g
Ziploc Waterproof bag 2 g
>9.3 Other worn items
Gossamer Gear LTS4 Hiking poles (x2) (worn)260 g
Sony Xperia Z3 Compact (worn) 129 g
Water bottle (worn) 11 g
Aquaclip Water Bottle Holder (worn) 10 g
Sony MDR-EX450 (worn) 6 g

>Total base weight: 2,8 kg
>Consumables: 487 g
>Worn: 2,2 kg
Of course, on top of this, I _might_ bring my kindle, some liqour, perhaps (Oooh, I'm crazy, Esse) some weed and a small pipe, etc.

BTW I'm in Norway(!), and this loadout is fine in January. Guess you guys didn't know that, right? I'm located in the South-West (Stavanger/Sandnes, et.al), where we just DON'T have snow or negative degrees celsius, even in mid-winter (well, maybe we have a week in a particularly cold winter).

IF very cold (travel inland and higher elevations), see next posts...
Impressive, I'd imagined you'd need more than a tarp tent and a quilt to be comfortable during winter in Norway.
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Winter loadout 1/2:

>1. Carry
Bergans Of Norway Helium 55 L Backpack 0.91 kg
Mountain Laurel Designs Cuben Fiber Dry Bag 50 g
Gossamer Gear Pack Hipbelt Pocket, Medium 28 g
Gossamer Gear Sholder Strap Pocket 24 g
>2. Shelter
Mountain Laurel Designs DuoMid 0.64 kg
Katabatic Gear Bristlecone Bivy 198 g
Gossamer Gear Polycryo ground sheet 43 g
Gossamer Gear Lightrek Pole Extender (x2) 44 g
Clamcleats Alloy Y Tent Peg - CL622 (x4) 53 g
Ruta Locura 9" Sorex stakes (x4) 28 g
Mountain Laurel Designs Cuben Fiber Stake Sack 6 g
MSR Carbon-Core Tent Stakes (x4) 22 g
Terra Nova Titanium Skewers 1g (x4) 4 g
RAB Silk Sleeping Bag Liner 114 g
Gossamer Gear Thinlight Foam Pad 69 g
>3. Sleeping
Cumulus LiteLine 400 0.76 kg
Exped DownMat UL 7 0.57 kg
Enlightened Equipment Prodigy Synthetic
Quilt 50F/10C 416 g
RAB Silk Sleeping Bag Liner 114 g
Gossamer Gear Thinlight Foam Pad 69 g
Exped Schnozzel Pump Bag 57 g
>4. In Kitchen pot stuff sack
Trail Designs Caldera cone, wood burning mode 86 g
TOAKS Titanium 900ml Pot 77 g
Wildo Fold-a-Cup 24 g
Epiphany Outdoor Gear Pocket Bellows 21 g
MYOG Vaseline soaked cotton pads 17 g
Snow Peak Titanium Folding Long Spoon 15 g
Baladeo Deejo 15g Pocket Knife 15 g
BIC Mini Bic lighter 11 g
MYOG Cuben stuff sack, small 4 g
>5.1 Electronics
Delorme inReach SE 190 g
Panasonic Eneloop Pro AAA batteries 13 g
Thread Lite Gear Ultralight Cuben led lantern 12 g
>5.2 Repkit and tools
Leatherman Squirt PS4 Multitool-Red 53 g
Lawson Outdoor Equipment Glowire 2mm Cordage 31 g
MYOG Ditty bag repair 21 g
Couglan's Waterproof Matches 9 g
Sugru Self-Setting Rubber, one packet 6 g
>5.3 Hygiene
MSR PackTowl Ultralite 14 g
Dr. Bronners Soap in 3ml container 4 g
MYOG Dehydrated toothpaste dots 3 g
MYOG Cuben Fiber Stuff Sack (x2) 4 g
MYOG Chopped toothbrush 2 g
>6.1 Consumables
Gilde Aquavit (Liqour) 265 g
DryTech Real Turmat: Pork in Sweet & Sour 145 g
MYOG Oats 115 g
Mars Snickers 70 g
Freia Hot Chocolate 28 g
Nestle Nescafe Brasero 12 g
Winter loadout 2/2:

>6.2 Liquid containers
Nalgene Wide-Mouth Loop-Top Water Bottle, 1L 176 g
Vapur Incognito Flexible Flask .3L 10 g
>8. Carried clothing
Stormberg Skartind Down Puffy 325 g
McKenzie Hunter Microfleece Shirt 268 g
McKenzie Hunter Microfleece Pants 240 g
MYOG Thick Wool Socks for sleeping 139 g
>9.1 Worn clothing
Salomon X Ultra 2 GTX Hiking Shoe (worn) 0.80 kg
Stormberg Liadalen Pants (worn) 0.56 kg
Stormberg Jotunheimen Shell Jacket (worn) 420 g
Stormberg Bukt Fleece Windstopper (worn) 400 g
Norheim Norli Merino shirt (worn) 212 g
Aclima Anarjohka Merino Boxer Shorts (worn)110 g
Devold Wool Hat (worn) 80 g
Devold Sport Headover (worn) 42 g
Montane Power Dry Gloves (worn) 40 g
Wedding Ring (worn) 3 g
>9.2 Worn navigation
Silva Forecaster Compass (worn) 14 g
MYOG Map (worn) 4 g
Ziploc Waterproof bag (worn) 2 g
>9.3 Other worn items
Gossamer Gear LTS4 Hiking poles (x2) (worn)260 g
Sony Xperia Z3 Compact (worn) 129 g
Silva Trail Runner II (worn) 118 g
Water bottle (worn) 11 g
Aquaclip Water Bottle Holder (worn) 10 g
Sony MDR-EX450 (worn) 6 g

Gulf stream, m8

>Total base weight: 5,8 kg
>Consumables: 652 g
>Worn: 3,2 kg
>I thought thigh rigs helped with support since it takes weight off your back?

They do. That person is just a dumb fag.
The packing slips are a good idea... I'm gonna adopt that for my own kit
Fuck!!! Well, I tried...
>16) Swedish Volcano stove


Yeah, I realized that after. I love that fucking thing
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As promised... Everything I'm packing (snacks haven't been purchased yet) for a quick overnighter where we're bivy baggin the summit of a little mountain. Total weight as it sits is a hair over 17lbs.
Good shit. 1) What sleeping bag do you use 2) Thanks for reminding me to get wet wipes! I had some but used them up before I could make the trip
List of gear?


It's a mont bell super spiral down hugger #3... In a Bivy I sleep pretty toasty with thick expedition socks, long johns and a hooded puffy down to about 20*

ULA Circuit pack
Montbell super spiral down hugger #3
BearPaw 8x9 flat tarp
Sheet of tyvek
Zlite pad
Thermarest xlite
REI Minimalist Bivy
MSR Mini Groundhog Stakes
MSR mini guy line
Sawyer Squeeze Filter
2 Evernew 2l water Bags
1 smart water bottle with sport top
Plastic Long Spoon
Snow peaks 900 pot (no pan)
Titanium replacement lid
MSR Pocket Rocket
REI pillow stuff sack
OR helium2 rain jacket
ULA Rain Skirt
MLD Rain mittens
Mtn Hardware Gloves
Ball cap
Super light weight merino beenie
Mtn Hardware fleece beenie

Tired of typing this on phone but got the big shit I think

Did forget a couple of weighty items

Kindle paperweight
Felix pd35 flashlight
Black diamond storm headlamp
Homemade firstaid kid
CRKT knife
Mont bell poop spoon
REI lightweight drybag
Black diamond Ergo cork sticks

Op here

Jesus fuck... A $300 sleeping bag. I really need to buy one, but shit are they expensive
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I found very early on that a good sleep system makes or breaks my outdoor experience... Probably why I've spent like 2 grand on what is essentially nothing but dead birds and plastic...
How does it all fit? Lol
I really hope that's a stock image.

Why would you have all this gear you spent a ton on, and don't use? I have dark colored sacs and bags and mine are dirty as hell. Can't imagine what they'd look like white.

You guys realize those are just storage bags so the down doesn't break down right? Compressed they'd all fit into the mont bell's storage sack. As to why I have so many, different tools for different jobs. Winter bag, summer quilt, inbetween bag (use it more than anything), then a winter top quilt and bottom quilt for hamocking, they all get a lot of use just depends on the season
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Aspiring European hiker here /out/, please rate/judge my gear I've gathered so far. Tent & boots not in the picture.

1. Osprey Exos 48
2. Millet Dreamer Composite 700 sleeping bag
3. North Face Venture rain jacket
4. Simple polyester shirt
5. Mammut Aconcagua fleece
6. Osprey Raincover (small)
7. Black Diamond Spot
8. Mora Companion MG knife
9. Regular running shorts
10. Regular long pants
11. Woolpower Trail Hike Light socks
12. Therm-a-rest Prolite sleeping pad
13. Bugspray
14. Packtowl Medium
15. Titanium long spoon
16. 800ml cooking pot (I usually just boil water and eat freeze dried meals)
17. Campingaz burner stove + Bic lighter + aluminium lid
18. Platypus 2L hydration pack (I pack another 1L bottle on the side of my backpack)
19. Icebreaker thermal underwear (merino)
20. Samsung S3 + charger
21. Earbuds
22. Wallet
23. Wool hat
24. 12L Sea to Summit Dry bag (clothes)
25. 10L Sea to Summit stuff bag (food)

This is for 7-10 day hikes. Camping with a tent and moving every day. Suggestions more than welcome :)

Have you ever done a 7-10 day trek with a 48L pack before?

If not I'd recommend getting a bigger pack. Unless you're a seasoned ultralite packer 48L is good for 4 maybe 5 days tops.
>North face Venture

My nigga.

I love that fucking she'll. Throw a fleece liner on underneath and walk around snug as a bug in summer storms
Yo, Norge anon, what sites here in NO are good for ordering stuff? Where to look for gear? I mostly looked on prisjakt and skittfiske and komplettfritid, oh yeah, also hekta på tur.
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noticed an apparent discrepancy in your caloric ratings... you list Breakfast Skillet as having either 800 calories (on the packing list
) or 960,000 calories (in the text) but my packages show it only having 400 calories.

btw kcal = 1000 calories
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I must've looked at the mac n cheese one by accident for the 960. but they are 800 (two servings at 400 ea)

and btw... the things we normally refer to as calories are in fact Calories with a capital C. 1 Calorie = 1 kcal = 1000 gram calories. We do not use gram calories. So my statements were correct.
so, you're using the 2 serving packs... The single serving ones always leave me a little hungry but the price on the double sized ones is entirely more than I want to pay for one meal.

jeez... I didn't know that the calorie rating on nutrition labels was in kcals. I'd heard of kilocalories but I assumed it was akin to the Kelvin temperature scale - to make the math easier when dealing with large amounts.
How does /out/ feel about Sierra Madre products?
You mean High Sierra?
>High Sierra

Nope. Sierra Madre Research.
First I've heard of them. Seem to make decent hammocks going by reviews. I'm a tent guy mostly since I'm often above treeline, so I'd probably get el cheapo hammock at http://hobohammocks.com
The Kelvin scale has nothing to do with that.
Yeah using the two serving packs. I think the single ones would be ok if you were doing one for lunch too, but i'm just doing snacks and trail mix. But check amazon. Mountain house sells these "Just in Case" buckets that get the cost down to around $5 a pouch. Not cheap but definitely cheaper than retail.

As far as the calorie thing, I'm not really sure why they do it like that, especially since the Calorie is not even the SI unit for energy. My guess would be that since they presumably use a calorimeter to determine energy content of food, which measures how much something can heat a given mass of water, and the definition of a Calorie is the amount of heat required to raise 1 kg of water by 1 degree C, they just keep it the same for simplicities sake, instead of using joules or kilojoules.

Or it's just the US and parts of Europe just doing whatever they want with units like we usually do.
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Okay here is my typical gear that i carry on overnights. Basic clothing is absent from the picture along with food, I am also normally carrying at least a gallon of water.
Top left to bottom right in no particular order. I also made a lot of my own stuff.

Wool blanket
Down quilt
Harbor freight anti fatigue mat (cc sleeping pad)
Ozark trail 40 degree bag
Shit load of twine
Meme cloth
trash bags (for trash, or waterproofing)
Cold steel special forces shovel with a MYOG sheath
8" Chippewa Apaches
MYOG leather Small pouch (for gloves)
Leather gloves (REALLY fucking handy, especially when handling fire or cookware)
MYOG leather sheath
Old Hickory butcher knife
CRKT M16-01KZ folding knife
MYOG sling (for fucking around at camp)
Fenix pd-35 flashlight and sheath
Sawyer filter
Kleen Canteen and MYOG leather belt holder
Heet (for alcohol hobo stove)
Waxed canvas fire wicks (for starting fires)
Spoon and fork
Hobo stove
MYOG fish mouth spreader ( for inserting into kleen canteen to hang and boil water)
Aluminium Alzheimers pot
Matches, striker, more lighters etc
mini sewing kit
lip balm
LUMINaid camp light
sharpening stone
MYOG pouch for these various small items
External battery for phone
first aid kit
MYOG compression sack for extra clothes

Will post my backpack in the next post.
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Here is my backpack that I made.
>Planning in going early March, so hopefully weather calms down by then. If not, adjustments will be made. Any recommendations in snow boots?
Yeah. Put snowshoes under them. There is a seven foot base of snow on the summits out here. There will be snow in March.
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>Norwegian shops:
fjellsport.no (20% rebate if member (it's free!) at fjellforum.no)
oh, and helsport.no/outlet

>Remember everything below NOK 350,- including shipping is VAT/TAX/MVA/TOLL-free
ebay.com (best, check "Free international shipping")
trekking-lite-store.com (German, only accepts bank transfer as payment -- trustworthy, though)
outdoorline.sk/en (slovakian shop, huge selection of awesome gear)
Also, get an account on massdrop "buyers community": Use my link, because shameless plug: https://www.massdrop.com/r/AF8CCC

Also, don't be afraid to order from the states, just remember the extra costs. Also, use jetcarrier.com if they "don't ship" to Europe.
>Awesome American "cottage" manufacturers:

...and shitloads of others
I'm in south east Norway by the coast and we have -10 celcius and snow. It appears they just have some weird things going on in the west.
Yeah, well, temp dropped pretty radically last week, here too; -8C now and actually fucking snow -- the kids are going crazy...
Awesome man, I'm gonna check all that!
Btw I'm in Helgeland and it was - 25 the whole week nolol
This is interesting, do you know is VAT charged on top of the price+shipping?
Also, I'm curious as to why you'd recommend going to higher elevations there if you're already cold. Is there some strange micro-climate, because generally higher elevation means colder temperatures?
>is VAT charged on top of the price+shipping?
Well, only on import to your country, and, in Norway, only if above 350,- including shipping

>Also, I'm curious as to why you'd recommend going to higher elevations there if you're already cold. Is there some strange micro-climate, because generally higher elevation means colder temperatures?
I meant, Colder IF you travel inland/higher elevation...
You have a few repetetive items you can easily ditch. But you have all the necessaries, looks good!

Only need one compass,

Only need one stove

Bring the Deet or the Bug repellent Bracelets, don't need both.This time or year you don't need either, but in general you just need one.

Only need one pot

Only need one plate, not a bowl and a plate

Only need one light source for a few nights. If you're going for a week+, bring two, but just pack some extra batteries.

Those things may sound small, but it adds up in weight, and just in general clutter. Clutter is the main annoyance for me.
Also I bet you'll want warmer sleeping arrangement. It's cold right now man, don't be someone who dies that people hear about and say "idiot should have checked the weather."

Also I think you are really going to regret walking around with a gun hanging off your hip. Highly uncomfortable for long hikes, and you'll freak anyone you meet the fuck out.

But I understand that some people just want a gun in the woods, so you do you.
Holy shit, thats a lot of high quality gear you got! I have a 30f enlightened equpiment down quilt, fucking love those things.

The only thing I would say is be careful about only bringing a 50F quilt if it's at all cold. people gernally rate bags 5-10F higher (weaker) than they are sold at, and 50-60F is very warm.

But if you have used it a lot and know it's limits, do yo' thang.
Haven't used it yet, they're sowing it now, I hope... But I only intend to use it in mid summer, and with the option of putting every single item of clothing on inside it. Also, in summer, worst case scenario is a bad nights sleep, keeping a stove or a fire going, or having to do some jumping jacks in the middle of the night.

Land of the midnight sun, y'know
>Arcteryx Bora

I'm very interested in that boot, but my doubt is whether the synthetic boot upper will be as durable as a leather one, specially regarding frying on flexing points or for bushwacking. What is your impression?
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Need to update but more or less the same stuff.

My new sleeping pad is a 3/4 Z-lite.
The green REI bag used to be my Sawyer Mini, but now I carry Aquamira.

Usual stuff:
-Osprey Talon 44
-Western Mountaineering Summerlite (black stuff sack)
-Eureka! Spitfire 1 (blue stuff sack)
-MSR groundhogs (6 stakes)
-Thermarest Z-lite (3/4)
-Fancy Feast stove w/ HEET
-Snow Peak 700
-Windscreen w/ pot stand
-Black Diamond Spot
-Osprey 3L OR two 1L Evian bottles
-Sea to Summit towel (my backcountry do everything rag)
Sweet. Thanks for the heads up mayne!

Yeah, the spare compass would be going to my partner, and the only stove I have is the swiss volcano. The hobo stove literally weighs nothing and is a pretty sure fire way being able to cook I think.

You're right about the bug repellent.. And at this time it's not needed. They're just options I threw in.
>need only one pot
Agreed. I took the smaller one out oer others recommendations.

>one plate

I'll be using the pot lid as a plate

>one light source
Yeah, that was pretty redundant. I'll toss the maglite

I just bought a Kelty Ignite dridown 16 last night for like $144 off REI. Didn't wanna freeze to death, lol.

I think that'll be a decent bag..
I'm sure taking a living cat with you is not necessary.
Transport living meat is never a good idea. There are different ways to preserve it, smoking, drying, ... You should kill it before you go hiking an prepare it at home. Believe me, it's way more easy.
By taking the cat alive, you may lose it or attract predators.
Impressive anon. Got more?
My current loadout

Sleeping bag
Tent pegs x 10
Hexi cooker + fuel
Mess tins x 2
Sometimes bring my trangia instead or both
Spare knife
Folding saw
Sometimes an axe if I think I am going to make a shelter
Small whet stone
Food (duh) usually ratpacks
Water purification tablets
Lighters x three
Compass (spare compass in bag)
Waterproof notepad + pencils
Clothes ( depends on where , time of year ,how long etc)
Sometimes bring my collapsable fishing rod and my small bag of gear .

Would welcome any feedback , also I have been thinking of buying a good tent because my kids are old enough now to go /out/ with me so I need to look at comfort more now.
Sorry forgot a few things in my post
Foot powder
Small first aid kit
Insulating tape
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So, since everyone are posting their loadouts already, this might be the opportune moment to point you all in the direction of tools made for this exact purpose.

lighterpack.com (Awesome!)
milestepper.com (Awesomer!)
geargrams.com (Buggy bloatware)

>1/2: Milestepper

Create a virtual kit locker, put together loadouts, see their weight and relative weight, assign to "adventures" and a whole lot more. VERY active development, awesome site.

Examples from my loadouts that were shared here earlier:
Summer: https://milestepper.com/s/7ov7d0
Winter, woodland: https://milestepper.com/s/4ljslf
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>2/2 Lighterpack

I actually good where Milestepper is a little shit, but lacking in development and less comprehensive.

Example, 6 day hike in the Norwegian mountains: https://lighterpack.com/r/6v8yln
Off topic, but what type of socks do you all wear when hiking?
Here's what I take on 2-4 day trips, with room to spare.

Backpack: Greggory Baltoro 65L+ (tall size)
Tent: Ereka Midori 2, with a 6x8' lightweight tarp as a footprint/tarp coverage for camp.
Sleeping Bag (green compression sack): Kelty cosmic 40 down mummy sleeping bag, long size. Used with a sea to summit silk liner, and sea to summit inflatable pillow (both in orange stuffsach, which also goes into my green stuffsack with the kelty)
Sleeping Pad (black stuffsack): Exped ultralight 7 down inflatible sleeping pad (long)

Cooking system,
Utility gloves,
50 ft reflective rope
lantern torch, and headlamp
toilet paper
3L hydration bladder
med kit (the one with the /out/ patch)
BK16 knife (with torch lighter and leatherman style cs in the pocket)
folding saw
poo shovel
sawyer mini and 1L platty bottle
20 ft twine and two clothes pins
sham wow microfiber cloth
emergency blanket
tent/ sleeping pad repair kit with extra batteries, sharpie, duct tape
dry sack
plastic grocery bag for garbage of if I'm packing out my own poo
Designated wide mouth collapsible nalgene bottle for peeing without having to get out of the tent at night.
Deck of cards
rain cover for pack
under armor speed freek boots (very water proof, and very light)

everything goes into a sack. fully loaded, there is plenty of room to spare in my pack with nothing on the outside.

Criticism and questions are welcome.
How do you like the sea to summit pillow? I was looking at it since it packs so small but I don't know if I'd find an air pillow comfortable. May just get a bulkier compression pillow
use to always be a thicker is better kinda guy wearing mostly heavy weight wool. now my usuals are Smartwool PhD midweight hiking socks. They're fantastic.
Its pretty great. It takes up practically no room. (I keep it in a sack with my liner, in the case that my liner is for)

I usually keep it 85% inflated, because I like to put an arm under it. I sleep with a million pillows at home, so I usually need at least 2 things while /out/, and end up putting my clothing bag between my knees.

I'm glad I have one, but it was a gift, and don't know if I'd ever pay the $40 they want for it in REI...
>65L for 2 days
Room to spare indeed. Don't compress your bag, it use it.
I see a lot of items that you don't need, like the gloves, the big repair kit, the designated bottle.

Each on its own, sure, but for instance, your first aid kit should probably be lighter.
> sewing it now

You are in front of my 10*F Revelation! Ordered it last week, 6 week lead time.
I'm not trying to be UL at all. I'm not a through hiker, and usually go for great views that are multi-day trips. This stuff is acquired over years, and i believe it's all solid stuff. I know a lot of things I bring aren't usually needed, but for overnighters i always go with 1-3 more people, and I'm the most experienced, and often have to loan out pieces of my gear. With multiple campers, you also go through 4 times as many tears, cuts, scrapes, or forgotten supplies. Adding an extra 2 lbs to my pack in order to provide for my friends and family is not something I second guess myself on.

Pee bottle I've found is the most weight efficient pieces in my kit. I often camp when it's cold, and I often have to pee 1-2 times a night. I've filled that sucker up before, and it's 1.5 liters.

I don't compress my sleeping bag until i'm actually going. It has tons of room to breathe in its sack. I only compressed it for the picture. It still has room to compress when fully deployed. I need a smaller one.

On the rare occasion I do a solo trip, I generally dump all the creature comforts, and don't bring extra clothes. Sometimes I'll bring my rifle, or harmonica, but I only usually do 1 of those a year.

Everyone does /out/ their own way. How do you do it?
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>he doesn't wear 1/4 Merino Lightweight Darn Tough socks with Inov8 trail racers...
>Cut wood

Looks like he's got an excellent alcohol stove and at ~5min/oz that fuel bottle will last for weeks' worth of food, especially if he's using instant or precooked rice.
I've always kind of wondered... since the calories aren't being burned and we are not calorimeters, do the calories as food relate directly to the calories as combustible fuel? Does 100 calories of carbohydrates or protein provide the same amount of energy as 100 calories of fat? And even if so, doesn't calories from carbs and protein require calories to be used to convert and utilize said calories as opposed to fat which (to my understanding) provides a more direct food source for the body?

I find it hard to believe that a Twinkie and a cut of beef that burn equally hot are provide the same energy through digestion.
Short answer is a calorie is a calorie. You need so many of them to survive. We're capable of "surviving" on only fast food and becoming ridiculously obese.

The long answer is for total health, and yes, the calories matter, and effect you different. A lot of hikers do a high carb, low calorie breakfast, like oatmeal or trail mix. And eat a high fat high protein meal for dinner, snacking on whatever in between. This is also what works best for me. And gives me a lot more to look forward to at the end of a long day.

Youll know what your body runs best off very soon if you don't already. Your regular health has a lot to do with it. Hiking is basically extreme cardio at intermittent levels of difficulty, without the option to just get off when you want to.

You shouldn't be attempting a 5+ day trip without being confident in your skills and endurance. It's less applicable on a through hike, because you will have the opportunity to make up for lost time/distance, months down the road.
What fishing rod do you use? Lures?
What folding saw and whet stone?
More packs, or more info on this pack? Here is a link to an album of this pack http://imgur.com/a/nCmA2
>All of this literally looks brand new. Is it?

I bet this has happened at some point:

>oh fuck, this new gear is nice.
>so excited to show /out/.
>so excited to GET out.
>but it's Monday.
>so i'll just make some mud and spray it over this shit before i upload a photo.
Fishing rod is a telescopic one I got for nothing off a guy. Has never failed me in six years . Lures all depends on where I am going. But I have always used worms or mackerel as bait becaue they are so abundant where I go.
The folding saw I got in an aldi store four years ago for seven euro and it has always worked fine. I bought it saying I'll see how long it lasts for only seven bucks and the damn thing has held up this long so it's value for money.
The whet stone was my dad's , he had a box with about eight in it and I have gone through two of them , they came from a butchers supply company in the 1970's (receipt still in the box )
The poncho was my army issue one. Nearly all my gear is stuff I was issued in the army , cost me nothing , not the fanciest but it gets the job done
Hey op how do you like marmot limelight? I had the option to prodeal that tent but got nitro 2p instead. Wish i got limelight because its free standing
Haha, funny... But no. It is all pretty much new, but that's because I've been trying to replace all my other stuff since last summer along with buying things I needed to add for the next venture.

So yeah, most of it is brand spankin new.. But not for the reasons you think

I've only slept in it a couple times, but from what I experienced its pretty solid. Kept the rain out just fine and sets up fast. Only issue is securing the rainfly so that it's even on both sides
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Here's mine. Doesn't include guns/ammo or edc items
I really thought that tooth brush was a vibrator for a second
things get lonely out in the wilderness
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>Northface Alteo 35L


Large Toiletry Bag for food (I've jerry-rigged this bag with a length of double paracord for hanging it from trees at night)

>Two Mountain House Meals (Rice and Chicken/Chili Mac)
>Fun Dip
>3 oz. Tillamook Country Smoker jerky strips
>1 bag of crushed Ms. Vickies' jalapeno chips
>1 mini Ziploc bag of spice mixed with salt
>1 bag of boil-in-bag jasmine rice
>1 ziploc of trail mix

>Peanut butter jar is a mix of hot cocoa powder with marshmallows, honey, chunky peanut butter and two scoops of whey protein supplement.

Fanny Pack (IFAK/Misc):

>Snake bit kit
>7 gauze pads
>2 scalpels
>Lotrimin D
>1 oz. Iodine in tiny squeezebottle
>Sewing kit
>1 roll of Gorilla Tape-to-Go

>2 lighters
>Small whetstone
>Mini winchester multi-tool with pliers
>20m Of paracord
>10 small zip-ties
>Baby Wipes
>2 oz. Purell bottle
>Clear eyes
>Silva Explorer Pro Compass
>Extra Contacts
>Mini Bar of soap
>2 mini LED flashlights
>Repel 100 spray
>US Army Surplus DEET Cream

Small Toiletry Bag
>Aluminum Foil
>Pouch of red cedar dust
>Dry grease tissue
>25 Stormproof matches
>2 Lighters
>Bundle of 12 wood skewers
>Ferro Rod
Misc Loose/Outer Pocket items.

>MSR pocket rocket+fuel
>Husqvarna small forest axe
>Coleman Bow Saw
>Carhartt cold weather work socks
>Browning silver infused antimicrobial socks
>Mechanix impact pro gloves
>Smart wool buckskin gloves with smartwool fleece liners
>Howard Leight Impact Sport electronic earmuffs
>Handwarmers+foot warmers
>SOL bivy lite
>Glock 19
>Becker BK9 (custom scales in the mail)
>Spyderco Southard
>US army surplus bivy bag
>Sleeping pad
>Cheapo Binoculars from dave and busters
>Ruger 10/22
>2L hydration bladder
>Aluminum canteen with nesting pot (replacing canteen with nalgene version.
>Aluminum coffee cup (replacing with stainless steel version)
>Black Diamond Storm Head lamp
>Lovefly Camping Lantern
I don't actually use that e-tool for camping anymore. I just use it to scrap catshit off the side of the litter box.

>Sleeping bag is the suisse sport alpine mummy bag in the compression sack it came with, it's in the pack when this photo was taken.
Gear from a two days hike last summer, no shelter, I was sleeping in my family mountain house, and no food because there were plenty there.

From left to right, and top to bottom :
- Matix bathing suit
- clothes : Millet Softshell, Buff, Arcteryx Merino shirt, Shoftels hiking pants, and regular clothes for when I 'm in the house
- Superman PJs
- Map inside its cover
- hiking socks and underwear
- Microfiber towel, tooth brush and shower gel
- Lifestraw .65L bottle
- Deuter Freerider Pro 30 L backpack
- Black Diamonds Alpine carbon corks poles
- Somes snack bars
- Emergency pouch with emergency blanket
- Petzl Tikka XP 2 headlamp
- Panasonic LX100 camera
- Leatherman wawe multitool*
- Opinel N°7 knife
- Millet sleeping bag
- Nivea sunscreen
- Garmin Foretrex 401 GPS device
- Curvimeter*
- Bic Lighter
- Small bag with camera accessories
- Miltec poncho *

Not shown :
- Platypus 2L insulated bladder
- Sunglasses
- Meindl Borneo 2 MFS leather boots
- Food for 1 meal
- Moto G phone
- Seiko 5 Military automatic watch
- TSL mini gaiters *

I put an * on all the stuff I could have not taken.
-backpack (not big)
-few boxes of matches (50 per pack)
-3 liters of water
-first aid shit
-messenger satchel
-change of clothes
-tarp (overhead cover)
-food; tinned tuna and edible noodles (no cooking)
-phone (blah; I use it for pictures mostly)
-pocket knife
-bottle of cheap vodka
-.44 Magnum Handi Rifle; box of 50 240 grain JSP and a pack of the CCI ratshot

Does me for the weekends.

Wth bro...

Drop these following:

1 pair gloves
Extra LED flashlight
Southard (there are much more appropriate knives)

That stuff is not needed. If you must chop or saw wood then use a wire/hand saw or hatchet. Earpro is not needed, especially in an open area using a .22. I bet you've never used the binoculars, and you don't need an extra flashlight if you're also using a headlamp.

>Camp the way I camp, anon!

The loadout I have set up is to have the supplies I need and the supplies my friends most often forget.



No, I shoot in the woods. Also, if you've never walked around the woods with electronic earmuffs on, you're missing out.

>1 pair gloves

In summer/spring, I only have the mechanix, in winter, I bring my gloves for warmth and my gloves for work. No use wearing gloves out needlessly when the liner and shell weigh a quarter ounce collectively.




I like to look at shit from afar. What's your problem?

>Extra LED flashlight

You got me here sort of. I lost my streamlight though and I don't trust these two. They're gas station specials.


It's my EDC blade. What's wrong wif it, M8?


It's tiny and harmless. Whatchu got aginst lanterns, bruv?

>I'd also get rid of all the fire starting stuff except the lighter

Good luck starting a fire when your one and only source gets a wet flint...
I just protect my gear that isn't supposed to get wet from water. Do you carry multiple sleeping bags as well in case 1 gets wet?

No need to be pedantic, chief.

Ask anybody who ask actually been /out/ and I guarantee if they know what they are doing they will have more than one source to light a fire, especially if it's a shit lighter.

All I'm saying is good luck getting a fire going in strong winds and pissing rain if all you have is a cheap lighter with a shit flame.
>The loadout I have set up is to have the supplies I need and the supplies my friends most often forget.
Get better friends.
You building a shelter? Chopping up logs for your 3 day fire? Most /out/ places wont allow you to chop shit down anyways. The saw is redundant as well. You can save like 7 pounds by dropping both of those and getting something more size efficient.

Cant imagine you seeing very far with those

I have one.. there are far better /out/ options.

You like extra weight,huh?

You do you anon, but that shits redundant and weighty.

Matter of fact I am building a shelter. Right now it's the /out/ skill I'm trying to get better at, so when I go /out/ I practice it. After this it's gonna be snares and cordage, and then it's gonna be edible plants and fungi.

The saw is essential for snow camping. Finding deadwood that soaked through is no good, so I saw off the tips so that it can stand on its own and split it with the forest axe. Wire saws are prone to break and difficult to maneuver and overall just use more calories because the task takes longer. The axe comes in clutch for snow camping too, because I don't want to baton at extremely cold temps and break my bk9. Big knife produces big strips of tinder.

Using the right tool for the job saves energy and is safer. In all the saw, knife and axe weigh about 4.5 lbs and save me a fuck ton of trouble.

The binocs are actually pretty good for a D&B prize.


what's a better folder for /out/. open to suggestions.


Give it a rest, m8. I like a bit of ambient light whilst I'm cooking. Pic related. It's the fuckhueg lantern you're always on about.
Newfag here. The hell is a poop spoon? Is this some revolutionary anus cleaning tool that I've somehow never heard of?

What do you call the spoon you eat soup with?
I have the Swiss army poop spoon with knife and fork. It goes nicely with my Bear Grylls pee bottle and sanitary napkins.
I call it my soup spoon you sick psycho.

Ok, good, so why do you think the poop spoon is called the poop spoon?
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A lightweight (often titanium) shovel that is used to dig a hole for you to poop in. Popular among thru hikers and other long distance hikers. Digging a hole is a simple and clean solution for pooping in the outdoors. Minimal cleanup and as close to Leave No Trace as you can get.
Thank you. You're a gentleman and a scholar.
hmm, i see.. Thank you for helping me distinguish between these two dining utensils. Also please don't steal my new idea for an ultra-light, environmentally friendly anal scraping tool.
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Warm weather gear list

Pack: Osprey kestrel 48
Tent: MSR Flylite 2 person
Mattress: Therma-rest Prolite
Rain gear: North Face Venture
Jacket: Eddie Bauer IgniteLite Reversible Jacket.
Filter: MSR MiniWorks EX
Hydration bladder: Osprey 2 liter
Water bottle: Nalgene
Hygiene: Sea to summit 1L filled with sorted hygienic packets.
Medical: Adventure med. Kit.7
Cooking stove: Jetboil Flash
Mess kit: Snow Peak Trail Hybrid titanium
Lantern: Streamlight mini seige
Headlamp: LED Lenser SEO 3
Clothing: Sea to summit 6L e-vent compression dry sack.
Boots: Merrell Moab 2
Trekking poles: Mountainsmith Pinnacles.
Knife/tool: Leatherman Wave

Am I ready
Did I miss your sleeping bag in the gear list? Also, bring a dedicated knife and maybe drop the multitool. I have a leatherman wave and its awesome but I haven't found much use for it in the woods. Looks bretty gud tho.. add some insect repellent if applicable and a firestarting kit. Youre also lacking a compass/map.

Looks pretty solid though

Yeah forgot the bag.

Kelty Cosmic Down 40 degrees

Thanks for the advice.
I bring my cheap 2 person tent, a bunch of food, a cast iron pan, Firestarter shit, and my 30° sleeping bag. And a fuck huge knife and hatchet. I can spend up to a week with just that as long as I bring enough food. Sometimes I even bring my silent pellet gun and take n cook small game, mostly just rabbits and dove

The ultralight shit doesn't do it for me. I like to eat lots of food. Real food. You guys are so silly with your hardtack and first aid kits and 500 dollar tents.

Says the guy whose never stayed /out/ for more than a night, let alone seen a mountain.

IIRC he lives in Florida where it is darn near always warm and doesn't need a bag to sleep. I think he should keep the SS because he cooks in it as well, it is dual purpose. Last thread I saw, the ss vs plastic weight was compared and it wasn't enough to include a cooking pot, even Ti. Plus metal rocks.
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1/4 base gear. Total base pack weight usually 13-19 lbs.

Pack: rei flash 62l
Tent: marmot nitro 2p + footprint
Pad: thermarest neo air xlite
Footwear: merrell grassbow air OR merrell moab
Water purification: katadyn vario OR sawyer mini
Cookset: snow peak titanium and msr pocketrocket
Rain gear: marmot precip jacket and a pack cover
Handgun: s&w m&p shield in .40 with talon grips
Other odds and ends: small repair kit, first aid kit, spare underclothes, hygene, fenix flashlight, mora hd companion, 50ft type 2 paracord~275 lb, suunto compass, spare phone battery, etc
2/4 sleeping bags
Rei igneo 20° long, marmot nanowave 55° long
3/4 cold weather
Ul down jacket from meijer, OR gaiters, thermolite liner, yaktrax pro, mittens and balcalva
4/4 hunt/fish add on
Marlin xt22, pen fishing rod with small kit of assorted flies, ultralight lures and basic tackle. Forgive my autism but i had to inventory anyway for upcoming trips
i always vaccum pack like 2 lbs of oatmeal if i want to carry lots of food with. then supplement with freeze dried shit.
>duck tape
>lube (optional)
I've read accounts of the rubber bottoms on the yaktrax breaking after just a day on the trail. I use kahtoola microspikes and they've been dependable over the last 2 hiking seasons.
they do seem flimsy. im usually careful on which parts of my shoe sole the rubber stretches over (for example put the band between two lugs as it stretches to bottom of foot). Those microspikes look like they work good
I think it's just people using them wrong, personally.

I've had the same pair of yaktrax for 3 years, and I use them when I'm walking my dog twice a day on sidewalks. That's what that spiral stel structure is great for, getting grip on concrete without going dull like spikes would.

I use them on icy hard-packed hiking trails every now and then, but mostly I have snowshoes when I'm going /out/.

Yaktrax aren't meant to be replacements for crampons that's for sure.
10/10 pack m8, have fun in glacier, bring back some ice from one of the glaciers in a jar and keep it in your freezer
Hows the shield? Thinking of picking it up as my first gun.
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Same, I was looking at the Bora the other day
>>666161, hoping you could weigh in.
Its nice, my favorite part is how slim it is. The 40 is very snappy, if i could go back i would have gotten 9mm. Trigger is gritty at first but breaks in nice. The talon grips help a great deal. Its easy to clean too
I don't see any bear canisters here.... I know they are not required everywhere but how do you guys manage to fit them in with everything else in your packs
>bear cannisters
i sewed a holster for mine that fits onto my hip belt. Other times i carry handgun, not usually both.
Lose the cell phone and charger and trust you gut,
post pictures of dog anon
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Nice, not a big fan of German Shepherds or the like, they always seem to have too many health problems and are expensive. Was expecting a retriever based on legs.
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Same guy, posting my list for spring canoing coming up in april. Excluding food and drink. Image related.


>Vehicle (no weight)
Generic old glass fiber Canoe
>1. Carry 1.50 kg
Bergans Of Norway Helium 55 L Backpack 0.91 kg
Outdoor Research Drycomp Summit Sack 324 g
Sea To Summit Ultra-Sil Pack Liner - 90L 126 g
Exped Schnozzel Pump Bag 57 g
Mountain Laurel Designs Cuben Fiber Dry Bag 50 g
Mountain Laurel Designs Cuben Fiber Dry Bag 34 g
>2. Shelter 14.95 kg
Tentipi Safir 7 CP 11.90 kg
Lavvu floor 1.23 kg
Sea To Summit Mosquito Pyramid Insect
Shield Net - Double (x2)0.75 kg
Tentipi Steel peg 23 (x8) 0.96 kg
Hilleberg Y-Peg Tent Stakes (x8) 106 g
Terra Nova Titanium Skewers 1g (x2) 2 g
>3. Sleeping 2.06 kg
Cumulus LiteLine 400 0.76 kg
Bergans of Norway Sleeping Mat Extreme 0.62 kg
Exped DownMat UL 7 0.57 kg
RAB Silk Sleeping Bag Liner 114 g
>4. In Kitchen pot stuff sack 243 g
Trail Designs Caldera cone, wood burning mode 86 g
TOAKS Titanium 900ml Pot 77 g
Wildo Fold-a-Cup 24 g
Epiphany Outdoor Gear Pocket Bellows 21 g
Snow Peak Titanium Folding Long Spoon 15 g
BIC Mini Bic lighter 11 g
TOAKS Titanium Shot Glasses 9 g
>5. "Green bag": Electronics, repair kit and hygiene
Biltema "Electronics" Dry Bag, 4L 28 g
>5.1 Electronics 0.59 kg
Amazon Kindle Paperwhite 2015 201 g
Delorme inReach SE 190 g
Black Diamond Orbit Lantern 86 g
Brunton Pulse 1500mAh battery pack 58 g
Panasonic Eneloop Pro AAA batteries (x3) 39 g
Thread Lite Gear Ultralight Cuben led lantern 12 g
MYOG Kindle pouch 7 g
>5.2 Repkit and tools 127 g
Leatherman Squirt PS4 Multitool-Red 53 g
Lawson Outdoor Equipment Ironwire Spectra Fusion 38 g
MYOG Ditty bag repair 21 g
Couglan's Waterproof Matches 9 g
Sugru Self-Setting Rubber, one packet 6 g
>5.3 Hygiene 25 g
MSR PackTowl Ultralite 14 g
Dr. Bronners Soap in 3ml container 4 g
MYOG Dehydrated toothpaste dots 3 g
MYOG Cuben Fiber Stuff Sack 2 g
MYOG Chopped toothbrush 2 g
>6. Food bag 5 g
MYOG Food stuff sack, medium 5 g
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>8. Carried clothing 1.35 kg
Stormberg Skartind Down Puffy 325 g
McKenzie Hunter Microfleece Shirt 268 g
Stormberg Dovreheia packable jacket 245 g
McKenzie Hunter Microfleece Pants 240 g
MYOG Thick Wool Socks for sleeping 139 g
Marmot Summit Hat 51 g
Devold Sport Headover 42 g
Montane Power Dry Gloves 40 g
>9.1 Worn clothing 1.69 kg
Salomon X Ultra 2 GTX Hiking Shoe (worn) 0.80 kg
Lundhags Traverse Hiking Pants (worn) 0.56 kg
Norheim Norli Merino shirt (worn) 212 g
Aclima Anarjohka Merino Boxer Shorts (worn)110 g
Wedding Ring (worn) 3 g
>Kitchen 475 g
Primus OmniLite Ti Stove 271 g
Primus OmniLite ErgoPump 103 g
Primus OmniLite fuel bottle 92 g
Couglan's Waterproof Matches 9 g
>Tools 1.73 kg
Cold Steel Special Forces Shovel 0.75 kg
Gränsfors Wildlife Hatchet 0.60 kg
Fällkniven F1 207 g
ARS GR-17 Folding Saw 168 g
>Fuel 0.82 kg
Biltema 1L Alcylate White Gas 0.82 kg
>9.2 Worn navigation 24 g
Silva Forecaster Compass 14 g
MYOG Map 8 g
Ziploc Waterproof bag 2 g
>9.3 Other worn items 135 g
Sony Xperia Z3 Compact (worn) 129 g
Sony MDR-EX450 (worn) 6 g

Also, forgot floating aid, e.g. paddle-jacket.

Base weight: 24 kg (Who cares, I'm floating)

Also, Lavvu and canoe is cash.
Oh, and probably also lug along a cast iron frying pan, for the bacons.
Should i buy a Poncho or rain jacket should be enough for rainy days?
M8, this shit is cash, I'm in market for some gear and I'll take this as a recommendation lol
But, Bergans or Norrona backpacks ?
I'm not that guy but both brands have excellent products. Bergans is a little easier on the wallet perhaps.
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Actually, as >>672676 says, they are both good manufacturers, but I would actually recommend Bergans for almost everything (perhaps except Norronas top line of shell pants and jackets, which are world class level, only matched by Patagonia, Arc'teryx, Marmot etc.)

Norrona has become leading in Urban and Afterski, bling, look-at-me-my-jacket-and-kit-is-ridiculously-expensive-omg-im-so-awesome-please-fuck-me-im-so-lonely-market.

Bergans make kit for REAL expeditions and REAL winter hiking, and not only fashion statements.

Pic very related, Norronas main theater of operations
So Norrona is trying to be new Fjallreven?
Lol, understandable, also, how are Helsport tents?
Helsport have some of the best and toughest tents in the world, and are on a par with Hilleberg -- though not as ridiculously expensive. Check out helsport.no/outlet, where they sell tents that have been photographed indoors ("not new" in Helsport-speak) for really low prices. Check especially out the "Fjellheimen" series: Bombproof tunnels in different sizes and weights.

Pic related, Fjellheimen 2 X-treme
Awesome, I also looked on finn.no and there are really good deals to be found.
Check out this: http://m.finn.no/bap/forsale/ad.html?finnkode=70066167&search_type=SEARCH_ID_BAP_ALL&sub_category=1.69.3964&category=0.69&product_category=2.69.3964.277&ref=fas

Also, what about Jotunheimen?
add another bladder to your sawyer.... if you get a perforation in your only one then you'll be screwed
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1) marmot muir 70L (old back up bag, waiting on new hip belt for osprey aether 70)
2) marmot trestles 30 wide/long (ima big fucker and I sleep like a bull in a China shop.)
3) sawyer mini with bottle, straw, and plunger
4) gsi soloist
5) gigapower stove w/ stand, 220g of fuel, and windshield
6) head lamp..some fuckton of lumens
7) coleman mini latern (this may be superfluous..haven’t really decided on that yet. I use the shit when I am on the trail, but I just ain’t sure)
8) sea to summit spork
9) map of local national park, journal, couple of pencils
10) msr hubba hubba nx
11) tyvek for ground sheet
12) smart water bottle for water
13) big Agnes iron Mountain insulated pad, with pump bag which also works as camp shower/waterbag/compression sack
14) some bad ass inflatable pillow..comfy and lightweight
15) eNO with straps for lounging
16) food and shit for 4 days(rice, jerky, tuna, GORP, protein bars)
17) Café du Monde coffee and French press to help me shit
18) mountain hardwear triclimate jacket
19) 1 set of merino baselayers
20) 2 Nike dri fit winter running shirts for mid layer
21) 2 pair north face convertible pants
22) 3 pair heavy weight merino wool socks
23) 1 pair garmon boots
24) 3 pairs ex officio boxer briefs
25) eastwing hatchet the shorter one
26) black Diamond trail shock hiking poles
27) 10 ft of duct tape in a wee roll
28) lighter, matches, ferro rod
29) toilet paper
30) batteries for everything x 2
31) 3 bandannas
32) hand spade
33) gerber multi tool
34) compression sacks for shit
35) few heavy duty carabiners
36) 1 pair mechanix HD gloves
37) 1 pair rei gloves to go inside mechanix
38) hand spatula, scraper
39) gold bond for the swamp ass
40) dope first aid kit
41) becker bk2 (considering moving to an esse 4. Bk2 is heavy as fuck)
42) utilitac 2 Joe Perdue pocket knife
43) little bottle of Dr bronners and little bottle of toothpaste
44) toothbrush
45) sea to summit microfiber camp Towel medium
no pic. here is a bear
if bugging out, add some paracord, cz-52 with 200 rounds and ruger 10/22 with 500 rounds
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dumping this once again
Your bag looks like daypack, whats it liter?
Travel light
What are the 10 spray for?
Do you know this heater is not light?
4 knives?
I am sure half of the first aid kit can stay at home.
Where is your food?
Only 0,5L of water?
>Travel unnecessary
Is that a fucking JNA canteen?
Stove gas
Wind up lamp (like a boss)
5 including the multi tool
Water bag
First aid kit is crammed with goodies like codeine and TCP
Food not pictured
That bottle is a water filter. I have the 10l water bag
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I thought this was a joke at first, but you appear to be completely serious.

you've taken the bait. god help us all.

Why do you need so many zip ties?
You really have to ask that!?!?!?!
uhh yes?
>not cleaning yourself with a strigil
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Alright here's mine

Starting from the left

Gregory contour 60
Big Agnes Mtnglo 2 tent
Kelty cosmic down 21 degree bag
Thermarest trail pro
Merrel Moab + tarp for foot print
Eddie Bauer polyester rain jacket ( this thing is great totally waterproof and packs pretty small)
Stanley cook set
Primus stove+ fuel
Collapsible spoon/fork
Nalgene 1 liter
Life straw
Coast headlamp
Ultralight first aid kit
Fire starting kit
Dorcy flashlight
Leatherman rebar

Not pictured are my extra clothes, food, toiletries, repair kit, and a few other things I need to purchase which I will list below

Collapsible water bottle
Bear canister
Stuff sack that doubles as a pillow

PLEASE critique and make suggestions so I can make this better, and any questions welcome, this is mostly for weekend getaways
Why in the world do you need 50 zip ties, 5 shitty carabiners, and electrical tape?
He's right, you should carry at LEAST two separate fire starting items, ideally in separate pockets. This is standard practice.
If you like bringing the saw and axe, you do you. But, I just went winter camping earlier this week in VT on the AT and was easily able to gather more than enough standing dead wood for my fire with no saw, or axe.

It sounds like you are doing some more bushcrafty things, and probably just like sawing and splitting wood and that's cool. I always light fires with a ferro rod and feather sticks, but saying a saw is essential for snow camping is a bit melodramatic. just say you want to take it cause its awesome.
Fire starting kit (just matches and a bic lighter) and a compass and a map are missing. Otherwise it looks great.

I wouldnt sweat getting a fixed blade knife. They are really popular on /out/ but are not necessary. The multitool will do you fine for snipping thread, bending poles back into shape, etc.

Happy Trails!
Idiot. Lazy stupid arrogant rude cruel idiot.
I'm planning my first out trip, i haven't bought most of my equipment yet. It's going to be for a few days but after that i want to do longer trips.

This is the equipment i have planned. I'm not sure if i have too much or too little. I haven't got a pack planned yet, i want all the stuff first so i know the size.

- Tent - Vango Banshee 200 - £100
- Bivy bag - Andes Waterproof Bivvy Bag - £15

- Sleeping bag - Vango Nitestar 350 - £45
- Sleeping mat - Vango Trek Self Inflating Mat - £20
- Inflatable Pillow - Naturehike Inflatable travelling pillow - £7

- Gas stove - Vango Folding Stove - £20
- Gas fuel - Coleman Pi Cart Bu/Pro - £6
- Cooking set - Stanley Mountain Vacuum Food System - £42
- Food - MRE or Prepacked?

- Water Bladder - Osprey Hydraulics Hydration Reservoir 3L - £30
- Purification tablets - OASIS Water Purification (50) Tablets - £3
- Filtration system - Sawyer Products Mini Water Filtration System - £30

- Folding shovel
- Multitool
- Knife

- Headtorch
- Lantern
- First Aid kit
- Toilet roll
- Cord
- Toiletries
- Windproof matches
- Lighter

- Map
- Compass
- GPS (Phone)

- Phone
- Camera
- Battery Pack
It's not all fitting inside your 60L pack, right ?
It all fits with the sleeping pad strapped to the outside
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Woah chaps, no need to be salty
Cute kitty. :3
You have my boots
The question really is:
Why wouldn't you have 50 zip ties?
>these people have never done any sort of improvised repair or crafting in their life
lmaoing at you citybois
Depends on the rig probably. I carried mine on a thigh rig for 9 months and never had an issue
Thanks lol

Yeah I saw somebody higher up had em too, seem to be pretty common. I found them at cabelas bargain cave for a steal, how do u like em ?
Why does nobody use food barrels
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>unappealing prepper survival fag
>would avoid at all costs if I meet him
Fieldline Tactical

Standard bandaids
Alcohol wipes
Gauze wrap
Vomit shield
Pain killers/fever reducers
Johnson & Johnson first aid kit

Combat Cap(Woodland)
Army face-wrap cap(Woodland)
Woodland BDU's(For Innawoods /k/)
Interceptor combat boots(Black)
Offbrand cargo pants and Wrangler hero jacket.
Insulate gloves.

Coleman cooking set.
Serbian mess kit w/ cutlery
10 MRE main courses and some extra food.

U.S Entrenching Shovel
BG Knife(Replacing with SOG Seal pup.)
GShock watch
Charles Daley shotgun
12 gauge ammo

Stansport scout tent.
Emergency tent,
12'x12' tarp
3 ponchos

Shitter paper
Crest toothpaste
Razor for shaving
Why? Because its camouflage? Because its not a 200 dollar backpack? I'd love to see your set up anon.
You aren't a real hiker if your bag is worth less than your Subaru.

Get with the times.
If you meet him you have not avoided him
Mission failed
>retry? Y/N
You know, you can choose to invite somebody for tea when outdoors, or hike a stretch together. Or you just can say hi, and make sure thats the only interaction you get.

Nothing to do with money or even camo
>Survival book
>bear meme knife
>milsurp and shotty for the sake of it
>fight against nature, must survive, must try hard
>no comfy harmonic vibes
Just not my cup of tea, sorry.
Don't listen to the gear queen.

Was produced on a super tight budget and was more fun for it. Mix of surplus and regular, whatever was cheap/available/served dual purpose
Isn't that mostly relevant to people in bear country?
Britbong Is mad because he can't own a firearm
>Bear Grylls knoife

I also hear those yugoslavian mess kits are garbage. Sucks that the german and swedish mess kits are so rare these days.
I know all that. What I was saying is that calories are measured via combustion, which isn't how the human body processes them. We have no way of knowing the actual amount of energy a calorie provides a person, because the only way we've ever measured it is by lighting it on fire and seeing how much heat is generated.

I'm not an oven.
>not foraging and drinking tea when outdoors
>simplest method for a hot beverage
>hello carcamper
>Implying tea grows in my area.
>Ello gov
All of you take so much shit. Learn some fucking bushcraft instead of moving your room outside.
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you tried..
They're gear queers who go outside maybe twice a year. Leave them be..
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Fuck you.
Is that your ginger hair on the ground ?
Love them, this is my 3rd pair, possibly 4th but one was a replacement pair when I blew out the side.
full size tube of toothpaste
camo wear

holding back laughter
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1. Home made M.R.E.
2. 1l Camel Bak
3. Floor Mat
4. 3x2m Tarpaulin
5. Baseball cap
6. Emergency blanket
7. Blanket
8. Towel
9. Small waterproof container
10. Compas
11. Petzl Headlamp
12. 2 1l canteen
13. 2 pieces wook wear
14. Pepper spray
15. BlackDiamond Headlamp
16. Canon EOS 6D + Canon EF 50mm f/1.4
17. Leatherman Wave + Leatherman E33T
18. Pouches for knife and multitool
19. Camping Gas cooker

1. Small MOLLE pouch, with headlamp and pepper spray in it
2. FAK
Clothings, sleepingbag and hammock not on picture
Oh and this is the stuff I take when I go /out/ for 3 to 6 days (I adjust the number of MRE obviously).

Any suggestion to improve it ?
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I just carry a shank of cordage like a regular person and you know, TIE A FUCKIGN KNOT.

Not some tacticool fuckin zipties like I'm going to abduct and bind someone up man

Also, thanks for being a douche, I'll thank your mum next time I play hide the sausage with her.
Bottles seem heavy. Also, do you need (can you even use) that floormat in a hammock?
The floormat is here when I can't set up my hammock (shit happens), it's really light and don't take that much room in my bag.
I think bottles are average, is there really lightweight canteen ?
>Tasmanian tiger small pouch
>black diamond headlamp
>campingaz stove
Are you me, anon?
I don't really give a shit about Campingaz, but it's really easy to find here in France.
But Black Diamond and Tasmanian Tiger man, best brands ever.
Why 2 headlamp ?
In case I brake one
I always freak out by the idea of not having a light source during the night, so a lot of batteries and 2 headlamps, it's not really heavy anyway
> posts pic of load out actually /out/
> no interest on /out/

Confirmed you fags are posers.
I think that's a legitimate fear, one that I share. I usually pack a flash light, headlamp pack able lantern, and extra batteries
Dude you didn't post anything but a picture what do you expect no one can tell what you have
> no one can tell
That's my business.

You see my load out /out/?

Where's yours, the living room?

Total fag posers.
Ok then
You are the real poser here, trying to impress everyone and their friends with your no backpack setup and external frame or whatever alice frame with drybags.

You seem to be snowshoeing, but without a pack, how do you deal with snow pouring on you ?
And I tried to make a joke about those pine shit and the retarded name on your snowshoes but you didn't respond so you're the fag.
> no one can tell
>That's my business.

why even bother to post then if you acknowledge that we can't get any useful info from the photo? no we won't help you masturbate over your gear with you.
Sensitive little bitches, aren't they?

Seem to have hit thier little buttons.

Guess they don"t reallly get /out/ that much.

> too busy putting stickers on their Nalgenes
> too busy posing shots in the living room
What is the right amount of time to spend out to enter you little circlejerk ?

PS I took the picture in my bedroom see
> right amount
At least 72 hrs, door to door. Anthing less is just an overnight Might as well just have a slumber party in your mom's backyard.
So an alpine course done in a day is not out enough for you ? And how often should someone do a 72hrs trip to gain your attention ?

You're just measuring your dick, well i'm too old and too smart to go you way. I almost never do overnight or more, I'm not a retard survivalist, and I certainly don't brag about how much I go out, but I'm sure a better person than you.
> too old and too smart

And too late, you already did. Putz.
Tell me more about your snowshoes trip with frame pack, I sure it's soooooooo interesting.
There was snow.
wow such an out lord ! post pics pls !
Seeing lot's of Osprays, are they good for camping etc. or should I look for other brands?
unbelievably underrated post
brilliant sarcasm, pepsi
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This is my load out for camping/bushcraft in britbong land.
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i like how everything looks rustic and durable.
Yer it is. I wouldn't hike more than 10 miles with this though, too heavy. I use another load out for that.
All of this high quality name gear- do you have a real job?

If so, is it good enough to take 9 days off or did you quit?
i ain't roasting >>666161 (You) though mate, that came across as mean. It's a legit awesome load out
What are the knives ?
Is it Condor Hudson Bay Knife and Condor Bushlore ?

Nice bushcraft kit, not how I'd do it (lots of heavy kit there like the water bottles, saw, stainless cookware) but props. Specially like the mini seasoning kit with the oil etc.
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>18) Czech 2 piece cook wear (fits inside itself)
>19) stove

you still ruse AL-ew-MIN-ee-əm?
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Heres a quick rundown of my kit:

1: 3x3m tarp + lines in a drybag
2: WBBRR hammock + bars
3: Rab sleeping bag + quilt + longjohns + down jacket + spare socks
4: CCF pad (actually use two)
5: Goretex trousers (+jacket not pictured)
6: Ti Mugpot + whitebox stove
7: Mechanix gloves (shite need to replace)
8: Khukri + BRK Imp
9: Misc: Rite-in-the-rain pad, Silva compass, steel, lighter, anti-bac, toothbrush and bandana, Bahco folding saw, ZL H600 headtorch.

Thats my basic kit, plus my expendables - I use plain 2l water bottles for water (as they're lightweight and can be scrunched up for packing empty), a 250ml water bottle for my alcohol fuel, also not pictured is my tinder box, and my on body carry (AA torch+Leatherman S2)
They are a condor Hudson Bay and a condor kephart.
Yer it is heavy, but it's robust and I like it. I only walk a couple of miles with it, I'm 6'3 and 15 stone so it's not too much of a bother. If I was to do an extended hike, I've got a totally different load out.
look at you
look how salty you are
you can't even spell a swear word that probably makes up a significant part of your vocabulary because someone prefers using a different method of sticking things together

cordage isn't for sticking things together, douchebag.
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Get fucked.
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Happy with them ?
A pistol with ammunition. It's a lot like farming, except the cows are unarmed survivalists and the steaks are the contents of their bags.
Yer no faults,I think they are excellent value. I nearly took my knuckle off with the Hudson Bay, a lot of weight behind it and it's pretty sharp. Kephart is good all rounder. I wouldn't hesitate to recommend them. If you are uk based, order them from the us, a lot cheaper.
awesome dog

do you or anyone else vary sleeping pad setup if it is cold

for instance

below freezing overnight
vs just chilly like 30-40F
vs summer
Rapist detected.
Are you operationally operating your camping expedition? Or is this for when you're in the brush after covertly converging upon your target comrad?
>/k/ patch
>nylon holster
please kill yourself
Poor fag detected. If you don't pull a second mortgage your $500k home to buy ultralight you're not camping with me.
Don't hate that from which we came.
I'm hating on the holster, although /k/ isnt much better

Hammock camper here. Use either a regular CFF pad, DIY widened CCF pad, or down UQ, or a combination of.

If you're feeling the cold through the ground with whatever pad you have I thoroughly recommend a cheapo CCF pad to bolster the total R value.


based anon
I started backpacking by going into Seattle Army Navy and buying a bunch of shit for 200 bucks to go hardcore ice cave camping, so I've been slowly transitioning from traditional to LW style.

I would ideas on how to lighten even more.

Yes I realize that the easiest one would be "don't use an Alice Large anymore", but I like the pockets.

Current base equipment:
Alice Large (soon to be with DownEast 1606ac and mountaineering style straps)
Snugpak jungle bag or a shitty 5 pound 3 season bag that I have from when I was a kid.
Poncho Liner (extends the jungle bag into somewhat of a 2 season bag)
Soto stove.
Sweetwater filter.
100oz camelbak with insulated hose
Firestarting kit in ziplock in sock (bic lighters, flint, a couple random MRE matchbooks)
50ft paracord
First aid kit based on Condor rip off EMT bag with tourniquets, isreili bandages hemostatics etc
Qi wiz small titanium poop shovel
Old Grump Surplus lightweight (14oz) army poncho. (fucking awesome shit, but only 100 or so were made, there are lighter weight UL tarps out there, but remember that this is both my tarp and my waterproof clothing layer.)
Toaks titanium tent stakes
4x bungee cords (I am probably gonna replace these with some paracords/shock cords set up with permanent self tensioning loops on one side and just a burned off end on the other to save weight)
wool army gloves w/ (have yet to find anything warmer)
MAC sack containing an extra pair ultralight pants, socks, shirt, and undies. (I regret buying this, there are much more convenient and lighter bags out there)
Some off brand ultralight inflatable pillow (3.4oz)
Army foam ground cover patched with duct tape I bought for 5 bucks.

On my person:
CZ RAMI (need to get a chest holster, my IWB holster does not work with a backpack)
HI M43 kukri
Streamlight Strion flashlight.
CRKT heiho or HI belt knife.
To be fair, his main holster might be a leather IWB.

I currently just have no holster that works backpacking until next month when I can afford a chest holster.
Ah almost forgot.

Depending on the trip and the food I might have any of the following:

Steel canteen cup (really want a titanium one), nalgene oasis water bottle, aluminum canteen cup stove and tablets that fit in a canteen cover.

1600ml Titanium pot with shitty useless frying pan.

4 qt aluminum pot (I like cooking pasta for everyone in the party when innawoods)

MSR lightweight steel skillet
Jesus christ, nalgenes fucking trigger me.

I love nalgene oasis canteens though, they are so much lighter, so much thinner, so much more ergonomic than a cylinder canteen.

>b-but... muh ice.

Just put the ice in one piece at a time you cuck, or better yet, don't be a pussy who needs ice to drink water, that isn't a real /out/ concern to begin with.

I'm considering dumping my oasis from my kit though because it's redundant with my camelbak. It's sad though, the titanium heavy cover canteen cup and the nalgene oasis canteen are just so good together I want them to be practical, but it seems hard to justify if you have a bladder and hose setup.
>I currently just have no holster that works backpacking until next month when I can afford a chest holster.
Did you mean shoulder? Or do you plan on wearing a plate carrier when you go back packing?
I just like nalgene so because they're beefy and light and also have a wide mouth which can be useful. Having the liters on the side can be useful for cooking too
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No I meant exactly what I said.

Pic related.

Also it isn't necessary to have a plate carrier, you could go with a chest rig, some of which are really damn light, but I am worried about how an ultralight chest rig would sit and I really only need the gun to be off my waist.
I have to admit, I can't argue with the litres.
>Pic related.
That is absolutely retarded. Have you ever tried drawing a gun like that? pic related is what i thought you were referring to.

>I really only need the gun to be off my waist.
I don't think a shoulder holster works with a backpack, at least not most of them, maybe the kind with a vertical holster that sits very low, but those are mostly leather so you'd also have something thick riding under your straps. Shit would suck.
>you'd also have something thick riding under your straps
So pretty much any piece of clothing besides a base layer?
Well, thigh holsters are the most uncomfortable thing on the planet, and a hip holster would be in my way more and might be uncomfortable walking for a long time.

I don't see what's wrong with a chest holster, looks comfy as fuck and doesn't seem too hard to draw.
The difference being that it is just a thin strap not a consistent piece of clothing.

But I haven't tried so feel free to correct me, anyone who has actual experience related.
>would be in my way more
They make dropped and offset holsters that are marketed to wear with armor if the kidney pad or whatever on your pack is getting in the way.

It just looks awkward as fuck to draw from at that angle, and if you were to have it horizontally like mine then you'd need a level 2 holster.

>it is just a thin strap
>have something thick
Which is it? Is a shoulder holster thick or thin? I dont have experience with shoulder holsters, it just looks like the angle that holster is at would be awkward to draw from.
Also it looks like that would bounce around a lot, and hit you in the face if you stumbled or ran.
>awkward as fuck to draw from
And finally, since the holster isnt secured to the clothing on your chest at all, that it would pivot around your chest some when you would draw from it making it even more difficult.
Never mind about this post, i'm just retarded and didnt notice the 3rd strap on the side. It'd still move up though until the side straps caught in your arm pits. Soon this thread will just be me talking to myself.
A dropped and offset holster is what I was looking at at first. I've never owned one but I shoot matches with people who use them, and they seem like since the gun is canted inward it might dig into or bounce off your leg.

Sorry I meant thin as opposed to thick the first time and thin as opposed to wide the second time.
Know of any stitch bitches who can add some MOLLE webbing to your kidney pad? Just mount the holster to that?
Yeah honestly I'm still a little unsure about D/OS vs chest holster.

Seems good from this review though:
Then the gun comes off when the pack does and you have to flip the gun over to put the pack on so you need aggressive retention.

I think I'd rather go with a whiskey two four ultralight chestrig than put it on the kidney pad.
oh god not that site, it is ran by a literal half nigger half jew

In that article it doesn't look as bad though, it looks like they have theirs riding lower and the angle isnt as high, making drawing not nearly as awkward. With the lower angle however you have a higher chance of the gun falling out just from bouncing around.

I've got a level 3 holster so retention for me at least isnt a problem. I'm probably going to convert it to a level 2 though because I had no experience with level 2/3 holsters and after buying it realized that i'll probably never need level 3 retention.
Meh, I carry a CZ cocked and locked so I'm not really worried about drops as long as they are very unlikely.
I do know that leather chest holsters are ridiculously popular in Alaska, but you never know with alaska trends, some are really practical, others are excessive and based on lore.
>Fullstock rifle
My colored brother. Nothing makes me happier than seeing a pretty rifle covered in wood.
what do you hunt with a .22?
squirrels, coons, rabbit, small game

ayyy, mannlicher nichers unite.
Probably not a good idea but, whats a good menu, if my plan is to lose weight while /out/?

Im not a total retard when it comes to outing but ive grown fat and soft around the edges, and wouldnt mind having a calorie deficit when /out/ for 3 days.
Eat about 2700 calories and a lot of hiking and general out stuff.
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