Why the fuck can't I have a campfire in public forests in the U.S.
Fucking bullshit, how does anyone camp without a fire?
Canister stoves, lol. Or alcohol, but there's a good share of places you can't do that, either.
It's getting to the point where the only option will be barely warming food with an iron handwarmer and packing twenty pounds of those back out.
>How retarded do you have to be to fuck up something so simple as maintaining a camp fire?
You are the problem.
Fuckers like you that underestimate the power of fire in a drought are the ones starting forest fires and fucking it up for the more competent among us
yeah its illegal in NJ because we have tons of state land that is not wilderness and get tons of campers seasonally, a big portion of which don't understand conservation in the slightest. Actually go innawoods in NJ and you can do what you please. There aren't too many spots around the state but they do exist.
that's a tough one mate. there aren't any geological features in North NJ to give us hints to where good public land might lie. If only someone built a trail or something that passed through all the major parks in Nothern NJ to help us out! Oh well, at least we can still go to Action Park.
Are you camping in the pine barrens? That's one of the places I actually support fire regulations. Too easy to go up in flames with all the needles around, and there is such a shortage of fuel wood (hence the name "barrens") that you basically need to bring wood in to have any sustained campfire of decent size, and with that many people bringing in foreign wood, invasives are sure to spread.
Also fuck New Jersey and everyone in it.
>Why the fuck can't I have a campfire in public forests in the U.S.
If that picture is your idea of a safe campfire, that's why.
In general, the answer to the question "why can't I do x in the woods" is usually "because entitled assholes like you ruin it for everyone"
cause austimo over there had issue with me saying a weekend. he 100% knew what I meant but wanted to nitpick because he is a d bag.
>oh what if I was outside for 49 hours ?
>guess i would have to have a fire then
>i am so clever
You're replying to that "Autismo", and no, that's not what i meant. I replied that i meant two weeks, not a weekend, you said weekend so i figured you meant, you know, weekend. You should try to jump to conclusions and assumptions less.
The reason there are bans on campfires is that they kill the vegetation underneath, and the fire scar from that lasts for about 2-3 years.
People were sick of going through commonly used nature areas and seeing a bunch of fire scars on the ground, so campgrounds started mandating the use of camp stoves.
To be honest, I'd like to camp somewhere remote enough that I can start a campfire and nobody will care.
There's a permit on the oage that lasts a year.
Also, remember to bring your own wood. If you're a cheap poorfag like me, just surf craigslist and find a free pallet. That's enough wood for a while.
>people gather every last twig to burn
>pull down snags, cut down dead trees
>burn burn burn
>no dead wood left
>organisms that live on dead wood die
>entire ecosystem gets fucked up
If there is no dead wood, then it isn't a forest
The fuck are you talking about? Are you talking about national forests? Because that's up to individual forests and specific areas, usually during specific times of year. In my section of the local nation forest I can make a fire any time, except a couple years during the height of summer when there was an extreme fire danger.
The US is almost unique for being a first-world country with large forests where you're free to camp and make fires. Only other ones I can think of are Canada and a few northern European countries.
i don't go out nearly as much as i would like to cause between work and gf i don't have much time (and i was fucking sick all along the fucking holidays) anymore but i used to camp shittons in all seasons out. it's not brain surgery not something you need to learn you figure everything out pretty fast.
Went for a three day hike in north Carolina with two friends and 0 experience. Went to the linville gourge. We were from Louisiana so not much mountain hiking. Signs said no fires. Fuck that, we had a bunch.
Didn't bring enough water though. Ran out the first afternoon. Thank god we found that spring. Didn't even need to purify.
Each of us had a long gun though so we probably frightened the few people we passed. Wish we hadn't seen as many people though, we would've shot some rabits. Instead we were stuck with Katrina era MRE's.
sounds like you had a good time, anon, but you've kinda hit the nail on the head about WHY fires are prohibited so often.
it's a stewardship issue.
you kept your head about you and managed your fires well. but you saw so many people- when they see evidence of a fire, they feel they can have fires too. do you think all of them can be firesafe? is it sustainable for all of them to build fires as well? what happens when dills start denuding the woods for their bonfire wood?
if you care about the land sometimes it means NOT doing fire even if you know you can handle it. think of it as hardmode and enjoy the challenge.
if you don't care about the land, stay /in/
GOD FUCK OFF, MSR SHILL. FIRE IS MAN'S FUCKING RIGHT. MAN IS LESS MAN WHEN HE CEASES TO GAZE INTO THE FIRE AND CONTEMPLATE HIS LIFE. YOU MIGHT AS WELL BAN GAZING INTO THE STARS. THE SKY WILL NOT FALL. THE LAND WILL NOT BE BLIGHTED.
The land is already pretty blighted
Maybe you don't know the difference because you have never been somewhere that hasn't been completely stomped on by people
You romantic cosplay fantasies end where good stewardship begins
when did i reference msr??
summer sausage, good bread, trailmix and fresh fruit can be comfy as fuark. plus lower pack weight and nothing gets sooty
if i want a fire i'll be an adult about it and go where it's not prohibited.
I grew up in Oregon for the first 23 years of my life, hiking and camping every chance I could in the latter half. I've used the land. The land is not blighted. The land did not become blighted in the tens of thousands of years when EVERYONE DEPENDED ON FIRE. There are more trees in North America now than when Europeans first came to the North American continent, and it's far better that we clear out dead wood and debris that will lead to a forest fire than to bring in our own wood that has diseases and invasive species.
Look, I agree with you as far as backpacking, but truly, get fucked. Not everyone backpacks, and I'm not going to fuck with their fun just because it suits mine. Public lands are for mixed use. Until someone can demonstrate why controlled campfires are such a problem without blowing shit out of proportion or outright bullshitting, can it.
That sucks about that graffiti, bro. Care to share your insights on fire?
>grew up in oregon
yup, that's very much NOT blighted land. you're very lucky.
gonna want a citation on that tree counting, but playing along: much of american forestland is now 2nd growth. lots of smaller trees that're more vulnerable to fire. it's still recovering from massive clearcutting done 100yrs ago
I now live in Texas where no one gives a fuck, it's fucktons more dry and the forests are much younger, and the land is still not blighted.
I think the Forest Service needs to post infographics on safe fire construction and pictures of dead firefighters at every trailhead.
i go to college in the pine barrens, a couple of my friends and I (a bunch of us are eagle scouts) normally go to the woods, which is technically on campus, and make fires of pretty decent size, i bought a 5 gallon bucket which we use as a fire bucket seeing we are on a lake as well. We found a secluded spot and made a really nice fire pit dug into the ground and put rocks around it and such. Never had a problem with controlling the fire, even after drinking quite a bit.
also were not fucking stupid, we make sure everything is safe, only the experienced people control the fires no throwing shit in or getting it above 3-6 feet, raked the pine needles away everytime etc etc