Wanna buy a gun that's a good all around bush and hunting gun on a budget. I've been looking at the Remington 700 ADL in 30-06, though i've heard the action is kind of sloppy. Any suggestions? Also post your bush guns!
no one has ever said grab nugget go innawoods
You know the right choice op. Or a mares leg, can't shill for those enough.
What do you plan on hunting OP? 30-06 is pretty big for most game, unless you're around moose and brown bear, then it's useful.
It does kind of limit your options for smaller game, but the 30-06 is a tried and tested caliber that is very popular, easy to find ammo, and relatively affordable to shoot.
Personally I'm a fan of Savage rifles. They just shoot great. For a bush gun, you want it to be durable, so I'd get a stainless barrel model. Personally I like .308 since ammo is affordable, and you can get near match grade loads from factory ammo (I distance target shoot some).
The only Remington 700 I've ever shot is a 700 SPS, in 22-250. Nice little gun, no complaints, action was solid.
For tight bush a marlin lever 30-30 fits the bill. Iron sights are fine if you're shooting 100 yards or under. 30-30 will take deer through moose just fine.
For mixed or open terrain I'd go with a savage axis 308 with 3-9 optics. Great rifle for the money.
I have a Savage Axis in .243 for Florida deer and hogs. Love that gun, shoots right on after sitting in the closet for a month or two. It's not too heavy with that plastic stock, and cost me $400 with a hundred rounds.
.243 is plenty for the things I shoot, and there's a lot of room for error because it shoots flat; the difference between 100 and 200 yards is only about 2" without adjusting the scope.
iron sights are not "fine for shooting under 100yards" unless you are a fantastic, experienced shooter.
Please OP if you are reading this DO NOT LISTEN TO PEOPLE LIKE THIS. You must MUST learn that a part of hunting is ethical and moral shooting. Modern day optics are affordable and readily available and are an intrinsic part of facilitating good shooting and proper ethical shot taking for beginners and experts alike. Iron sights should be relegated to 'back up' scenarios or when your optic is damaged or failed
Please, since you are asking about caliber, gun manufactureres etc. it is evident you are very very unexperienced, and part of your learning and growing process will be developing proper and ethical shot techniques
Further a majority of "hunting" rifles do not have iron sights what so ever, and you will need an optic regardless. Its very important to make sure millenials are being taught the proper way to handle, and use firearms, as well as the proper behavior to set up and operate them. They do not have a male or father figure who did this for them, and likely learned through video games, you tube tutorials, and internet hearsay. for this reason its imperative to instill in them the proper and acceptable behavior for the responsibility of firearm ownerhsip
>Modern day optics are affordable and readily available and are an intrinsic part of facilitating good shooting and proper ethical shot taking for beginners and experts alike. Iron sights should be relegated to 'back up' scenarios or when your optic is damaged or failed
This is just ignorant. Iron sights are viable and an excellent choice for tight bush as long as your eyesight is capable and you have a bit of practice.
They will not break and make your firearm much more wieldy in tight bush.
intrinsic part...give me a break
Anon said *under* 100 yards which is about right with a bit of practice.
OP, practice and know your limits and stay within them. If you do that, a lever with irons is a great choice for dense bush.
>They do not have a male or father figure
Oh it's you again. Hello angry faggot who doesn't understand how hunting doesn't require daddy's hands.
OP it's simple and not an arcane mystery club open to only an elite few as this faggot would have you believe. If your eyes are good and you can consistently hit an 8" pie plate standing or kneeling at 100 yards then you're good to go with iron sights.
>Further a majority of "hunting" rifles do not have iron sights what so ever
The anon said lever action 30-30 you piece of shit. They'll pretty much all have irons unless you cherry pick a specialty model.
You truly are an insufferable faggot. Iron sights are perfectly fine out to and beyond 100 yards. People in the military go from no experience to shooting iron sights out to 300m on a E-type target not much larger than a deer/boar in the span of three weeks.
OP, get a 30-30 and practice with it before going out and you'll be fine.
In Canada you need a license to buy or own firearms, and the 2 days class you take (3 for restricted fun guns) covers safety, proper use, storage etc. Other countries have similar classes available.
SHUT THE FUCK UP
>can bag a deer with a 12 gauge
sure. its gonna be a no brainer out 50 about 75 yards. 125 is the max i would ever shoot a deer with a shotgun at, and be expected to trail that motherfucker cause it ain't gonna just drop.
but can you bag one with it? yea no problem.
i don't know any isis terrorists. that doesn't mean the infantry training is wrong.
if you can't hit 3x3 at 300 you sure as fuck can't it 1x1 at 100. and that is the approximate kill box of a god sized deer.
i was replyling to a iron sights argument. sure yea it would be nice to hit the deer right square in the heart and drop him right there. but how often does that happen for you? as long as you put it through his lungs he is gonna go down quck. and anyone with any amount of practice should be able to do that at 100 yards with iron sights.
Did someone say Remington 700 in 30-06? Has a Nikon scope with bullet drop compensation crosshairs.
Took this pic in my bedroom so not much to see through the scope, but you can see the crosshairs this way.
This made me laugh.
But seriously this guy is right. True hunters know that a big part of the hunt is shot placement. Anyone can go willy nilly with a gun and kill something, that's easy. But seasoned hunters know that shot placement is a big part of the hunt, something casual "hunters" wouldn't understand.
For a brush gun, a lever action in .30-30, .35 Remington, .45/70, or .444 Marlin will do nicely. Get a good peep sight and you're golden out to 125 or 150 yards if you practice with it a bit. A scoped .30-06, .270, or .308 will shoot further and flatter, but it's harder to get a good look at a moving target through a scope, so you have to pick your poison there.
Or you could do what I did, mount a scope high so you can see the irons underneath it on your .30-06. I've shot deer sighting both ways. Pic related.
Also, if you don't mind reloading (which you should do anyway, you'll get ammo that's better in your gun), you can get almost any milsurp bolt action and have a serviceable deer rifle. I have a MAS model 36 and took a deer with it a couple of years ago.
since everyone is talking about brush guns, i just want to mention i have taken deer with my .357 henry lever action. it isnt very accurate past 100 yards but it will put a hole through a 2x8. and you can double up on ammo.
I just had a thought, Opie. Those things often hurt, but I'm sharing it here. If you want a reliable gun on a budget, you might consider going to a Wal-Mart or such and looking at their special order New England Firearms rifles. They'll be single shot break-action guns, but they're generally tough, accurate, and cheap.
>This guy is right. I have never heard someone say "I wish I hadn't bought this nugget".
I really fucking regret buying an ar15 as my first gun now that mosins are retard pricey for what they are
eh you already passed the biggest hurdle by paying out the extra money for the AR. Yeah my mosin was only $100 but inexpensive surplus ammo isn't going to last forever it will become an expensive to shoot like every other uncommon .30 cal eventually. Plus cleaning your rifle to get rid of the primer salts after each session is something I could live without. Not to mention with the modularity of your AR down the road you can effectively turn it into 2 guns down the road if you wish.
Am I retarded for wanting to bring this with me innawoods? It seems more practical than a bolt gun.
.22lr takes a very long time to kill a bear, don't bet your life on it.
More importantly, the thought that 7.62x39mm is equivalent to .30-30 Winchester is incorrect. The military round uses a bullet 25 grains lighter than the 19th century round and achieves slightly slower muzzle velocity. This equates to noticeably less energy anywhere on its useful range and to less stability (and, therefore, accuracy) downrange. The x39 is fine for deer, though. Just understand it's not as powerful as the .30-30 or any of the traditional levergun rounds.
>unless you are a fantastic, experienced shooter
well you wont get good at em if you only ever shoot with optics
for someone who rips on millenials you sure seem fond of the entitled "let technology do it for me because i want results NOW" mindset.
And fyi it does not take a lot of work to become proficient with irons under 100yds or within the practical range of your naked eye.
Do you need it for defense against predators or hunting? You don't want a lot of magnification when you have to aim at a bear that's potentially coming at you.
If grizzlies bears are what you want to guard against, .375 hh is a safe bet. It'll just about kill every land animal in north America with no problem at all.
I just don't like ARs, friend. They're ugly. Your mileage obviously varies, though. That doesn't make either of us retarded. Thinking you can kill a bear with a .22lr in less than the rest of your life would.
I have used a AMD AK for the last 5 or so years and really enjoyed it. But recently switched to a AR "pistol" with a "arm brace " in 300 blackout. 300 blk is good for up close and can reach out a decent bit, was designed around a short barrel, and is insanely quite with sub sonic ammo. Also if you don't add a bunch of stuff to it, it is very light with a 30 round mag.