Where does /out/ shop outdoors clothing?
I've recently become quite happy with a new brand called Northern Hunting. Also Fjällräven
I have a few shirts from rei, a thing or two from Columbia, and then a pairs of offbrand synthetic pants and shirts. Does anybody have any recommendations for a jacket or coat for 30-40' F temperatures?
I think you should go with lots of layers. I was at a lecture with a guy from Sirius(see link) and he described his clothing as follows:
>Fine mesh underwear(to avoid
>Woolen underwear(in very cold weather, two layers)
>Thick winter pants
>Thick cotton jacket
>Boots(3 sizes too big)
>Two pair of thick woolen socks
>Thick cotton jacket
4 coats for 30-40F weather. Yeah....no.
I actually get a lot of my /out/ clothing from Old Navy. Their active wear line of clothing is pretty good and its super cheap. I got some synthetic long sleeve shirts for $10 each.
I guess I should clarify that 30' would be the absolute coldest at night. The weather could all the way up into the 50s. El nino has given us an extremely warm december. At the moment I have long underwear, nylon pants, wool socks, a synthetic thermal shirt, a longsleeve synthetic shirt, and a microfleece pullover (probably not warm enough) I also have a fleece jacket liner that's somewhat warm. If I pair the two together I think they should be adequate . I've heard good things about down, but it seems to be fairly expensive.
I like the idea of owning Fjällräven clothing. However my wallet severely disagrees.
Some military surplus can be good to have, lower price point, still good materials etc.
I've never seen a clothing company turn into a meme faster than this one. All those cel phone sized 70 dollar backpacks in every color of the rainbow on people's backs. Absolutely haram.
I have a lot of TAD, ArcTeryx, and Icebreaker stuff, it's spendy but is outstanding gear and well made. Recently tried Fjallraven pants and like em a lot
Sounds like you have most of what you would want for those temperatures. At 30 to 50 I wear a a polypropylene shirt under a fleece and a rain jacket if the weather is bad. Freezing rain is unpleasant.
Don't want to post a completely new thread for this, but what are the best all around pants for outdoors I know jeans are a no no. And also what about if you were going through snow would you need a forested type shell for them?
If you can afford to not uses them fine. Cotton doesn't help with cold once it gets wet even with sweat. For most people this will not be a thing that will get them killed. If you can afford to drop 300 bucks on some sweet outdoor pants, enjoy.
I have a North Face (Quest, I think) jacket that works perfect for wind and rain. Not insulated tho but works fine down to -5 C with two good layers underneath.
Good wrist straps to stop heat from escaping and zippers at armpits for when it's warm.
>all that shit
Nigga I am from the desert and i can do it with jeans and a carhartt sweatshirt.
A little chilly, but im aure a thicker jacket and some long john silvers would fix that.
Woolrich makes the softest, most insulating, and strongest shirts I've ever wore. Seriously, you'll fall in love with some of their heavy cotton shirts like these ones
I'll ask this here as opposed to making my own thread
I am oversaturated with information on rain jackets and layering. Can someone post me a comprehensive and concise guideline for the layering etiquette for all four seasons? Also: could a GoreTex cycling jersey be sufficient as an all-season/purpose outer shell?
>I am oversaturated with information on rain jackets and layering. Can someone post me a comprehensive and concise guideline
there is none. all that talk is just made up by people trying to sell you their clothing. you just wear what works for you. there is no one size fits all clothing approach.
>you just wear what works for you. there is no one size fits all clothing approach.
This exact approach fucked me really good a few weeks ago after getting caught in a freezing rain storm on the top of Roan Knob on the AT, so I am being extremely overcautious as I don't want to get near hypothermia again
What's so hard about it. You get a waterproof (hardshell or softshell+poncho), windproof (windbreaker, hard/softshell, pretty much any jacket), or no top depending on the situation and enough suitable isolation beneath. (Plus baselayer, which is really only the part of insulation closest to your body).
GoreTex is both a membrane fabric and a brand. If your "jersey" is not actually a waterproof breathable jacket, it's not a suitable top layer.
Your water protection and/or your insulation sucked or was insufficent. Get a good rainjacket/poncho and enough insulation.
Thanks, as I said I'm being overly-cautious because of that awful experience and because I'm a college student (so, I have a static budget). The item I'm looking at in particular is made with Pertex which, from what I've read, is a relatively new material, so comparisons with GoreTex or eVent, are few and far between. Do you know anything about it?
Pertex is a one-layer polyamide thing IIRC. A softshell material if it has a proper DWR (Durable Water Repellent) impregnation.
Softshells are generally cheaper than (good) harshells, but won't keep the water out forever. They are also more breathable though, so it's not a bad idea to take a softshell and add a cheap light poncho for when it's really raining.
I just paid way too much for a Filson Moleskin Seattle shirt. But damn I love this shirt.
Stopped by the Field & Stream store a few months back and picked up a few pairs of Wigwam Ultimax Pro Dri-Release Tencell mid-weight boot height socks, and they’ve become my go-to all day erry day socks (also available in black and grey).
In regards to Military surplus, its practicality comes from the individual item and the price. For example, a treated US M65 Jacket or Austrian M65 make great outer layers, but if it reaches a certain price point you're better off normal clothes.
Why spend $80 on an M65 when you could get an arguably better and more water proof jacket for the same price? If inherited or found for a fair price they're great and don't look terribly autistic, with a liner they become a fantastic jacket.
Another example would be those Gorka's you see floating around. Brilliant design and engineering behind it, but for over $120 it's practicality becomes suspect when Gore-tex can be had for the same price. A family member was issued one when he served during the Chechnya revolt, he loved the thing until it finally fell apart years later.
You'll get a mesh of people here when it comes to /out/ clothing. Some don't see the reasoning behind buying more expensive clothing, others see the value of polartec and Arc'teryx. Some even go all out with Fallkraven.
I can respect those choices, they're practical clothing. I don't know what camp I'd fit into, I inherited all of my milsurp and fudd clothes, never had the need to replace any of it.
>military surplus stores
Outer layers, hats, gloves etc.
Bags, sleeping bags, shoes
>random domestic clothing manufacturers
Base and middle layers. socks
That's roughly the spread looking at my current gear.
dude I am no outdoors guru but spending like 5 minutes tops outside I can tell if what I am wearing is going to be sufficient for temp, wind, and precipitation. that plus reading a weather report to ballpark any variation and I am not sure you can caught off guard.
>all that talk is just made up by people trying to sell you their clothing.
if you think layering is only a marketing thing to sell clothes then you can't have much experience with cold weather
I think your cycling jacket can work, the most important thing is that it stops rain and wind
then you just need some warm clothes underneath that
>mfw I wear $8 corduroy trousers I bought at the thrift store innawoods
So fucking comfy, even if people keep telling me I look like their grandad. Idgaf what I look like when I'm /out/
Wear a bunch of thinner layers instead of a few thicker layers.
That way you can take off exactly as much as you need to not sweat, compared to having to choose between being cold and sweating your balls off.
C.E. Schmidt is like Carhart but cheaper, I have had a lot of luck with their products. Redhead from BassPro is very comfortable and durable as well.
For work I have used Grundens, Helly Hansen, and Guy Cotton raingear. Guy Cotton is the best but thr priciest, Helly and Grundens are comparable.
Some of the most badass stuff, and the easiest way to look like a patchoulykin mudfucking richhippy. Pic related.
I just bought a pair of PrAna pants. My buddy loves his, I'm hoping they're as good as he said they are.
I usually just wear 511's, milsurp boots (saving for better boots), North Face fleece, and Condor Phantom soft shell. Keeps me plenty warm. I need to invest in a truly waterproof poncho for innarain.
>tfw my jerven fjellduken should come in from finland soon
I had a montane pertex shell. Waterproof as advertised but if you read the reviews you'll find they don't breathe well during intense activity.. running, cycling etc.
For hiking they're fine tho.
I'm kinda new to all this, but I've noticed that fjallraven is mentioned a lot here, why is fjallraven held in such high regard?
From what I can tell from a quick glance at their website, it's a bit more fashionable than something from say Arc'teryx, but are they actually THAT much better in terms of quality or are they are just really good at marketing?
Why have I not heard of this before? On the wish list it goes!
They where designed as a result of back problem skyrocketing among kids because they where carrying books in their messenger bags, that was in like the 70s or 80s and became trendy again among the leftist faggots and hipsters.
They make good looking quality comfy gear and also good at marketing.
Regarding quality I have nothing bad to say so far about my old pants. Have heard some complaints regarding quality in recent years though, not sure if they fixed that.
I got a full set of Arcteryx's drac, and an atom sv jacket, the Naga hoody, and their wool undershirt and long john silvers. It's good enough for all but the very worst winters here in Canada.
In terms of boots I just have a pair of lowa gtx-8s, I just wear thick socks in the winter because they can get a bit cold
This man has good taste. Arcteryx jackets are second to none. I have an Arcteryx cerium down jacket that is the nicest thing i have ever worn. Fjallraven kebs are my go-to outdoor pants.
Outdoor research, black diamond, marmot are others that i frequent.
I would usually wear their Naga fleece hoody and the Drac jacket when it's around freezing. If it gets colder I'll wear the wool RHO undershirt under the fleece. I'll usually pack the Atom SV in my backpack for when I have to stop, but the softshell and the fleece are usually warm enough for below freezing during moderate activity, basically just keep moving to keep warm.
I'm not that big of a fan of their urban outdoors aesthetics, I think it's because the hipsters have claimed that style along with beards. Although I hate having a beard when /out/ anyways because it wears out my neck gaiters/balaclavas and irritates the skin with a helmet on.
My beard hairs are pretty hard, so a really close shave works better than an actual beard for me. I've never gone beyond a heavy scruff, so maybe a full heavy beard will be better.
You gotta always maintain your beard though, right? And my scruff was super irritating under a helmet strap.
This shit always amazes me on this board. Get a decent pair of work boots, some good wool socks, out some jeans on, pair of long johns if its cold as fuck, put a shirt on, a flannel and a carhartt jacket and put a hat on. Wear gloves maybe. If its still fucking cold put a hoodie on. If you're cold then you're a bitch or maybe you should dub around the house instead of trying to go for a three day camping trip in -50 degrees.
For fucks sake it isn't that hard. You're gonna end up spending so much money and time on shit that is cheap and common sense.
Does anyone have fjallraven G1000 pants? I'm looking at a pair to use on backpacking trips, but I'd also like to know if they'd be decent for 14er summit attempts.
How restrictive are they? How hot do they get? Do they breathe, being ~30% cotton and everything.
you can be /out/ and still /fa/, anon.
Plus /out/ has a number of fashion styles, below are some of them:
>Old school for mild /out/ings, like Barbour and Hunters
>Gucci /out/ fashion, like Fjallraven
>Standard equipment for the masses, like Columbia or Under Armor
>Niche-ish stuff (kinda Gucci, kinda tacticool) that doesn't really belong with the others, like Arc'teryx.
>Tacticool stuff, Condor, 5.11, etc.
>various levels of hobo chic
>Work boots happen to have steel toes
>Freeze off feet
>literally FULL COTTON everywhere
>get wet from sweat, rain, snow, ...
>freeze to death
Your layering advice is both spot on and trivially obvious, but the details can mean the difference between comfort, getting a cold and freezing to death.
I have some milsurp gortex bottoms and top shells, thinsulate lined boots, wool socks and some cheaper snythetic base layers will it be good enough for an area that has gotten down to -9 historically?
it was 20* at night when i went camping two weeks ago. All I wore was regular pants, wool socks, a long sleeve tee, a sweater (not even wool), and an uninsulated rain/wind jacket.
The only thing I regretted was not having gloves.
Wearing several layers of socks has the advantages of not having to dry boot insulation, being able to adjust insulation thickness, not suffering from wearing out insulative lining. It's common practice in scandinavia, and among scandinavian military with boots often intentionally made for the practice. It's not surprising a dumbfuck like you would not know of course.
+100000 to this
Yes anon I am sure you are soo retarded that you didn't know you need to wear a raincoat when its raining outside and someone had to tell you. If you were also like me you didn't know that you shouldn't wade in the river in jeans in the winter time! Lucky we have these internet experts to help us out. Also I used to wear just the heaviest outlayer I could find with nothing underneath until one day someone told me if i wore something underneath I could take off the outer layer as I got hot/cold. My mind = blown.
these fucking americans man so fucking dumb. they dont even know that your boot size isn't your fucking shoe size. My expertise with the Scandinavian military has brought me the most success in my outdoor hikes. But considering these idiots aren't even from scandavia they dont even know what real wilderness is like probably sit in the car park in america and eat cheeseburgers and call it camping.
How do you not understand that you don't need to buy a boot 3 sizes too large to accommodate one extra pair of socks.
In any case, the United States has more wilderness than all of your shit frostbitten countries put together.
Hey out, i've been into hiking for a few years now. Pretty much saved my life since I was almost 400lbs a few years back, now i'm 280. I owe it all to getting out and hiking.
My only issue is I don't like hiking in the winter because I cant seem to find a way to stay warm. Right now I got jeans and long johns for bottoms, sweat shirt + long johns with a coat on top for my upper body. I've even gone as far to wear a full ski mask while hiking but I still get freezing cold even when its like 30F out.
So since I don't get out for winter my weight lost kinda stops for 5 months of the year. Really wanna change that. So any tips on staying warm?
I also think three sizes too big is a bit much, I'm not this anon >>664623 but the winter boots I was issued in the norwegian military was just one size too big not three, but it is to fit extra socks and have some air circulation as well.
And of course America has all sorts of wilderness, I think he just wanted to point out that the military actually is cold weather survival experts and you can learn a lot from them.
Synthetic and wool stuff. Don't use cotton. If you're hiking you start to sweat and your clothes get wet. Then you're cold.
With wool, it retains its warming property even when wet, and synthetic fabrics dry fast.
Essentially, you want 3 layers:
wicking underwear (wool or synthetic - the latter starts to smell fast, but is cheaper)
insulation layer (fleece/wool)
Weather protection (protection from wind and rain/snow - depending on the exact weather and activity softshell, GoreText hardshell, etc)
This is what I would wear if I wasn't a poorfag
How do y'all shit in the woods when it's cold? I don't mind hiking sleeping and everything else but when it's time to let my nuts hang bare ass and shit in the woods when it's freezing out man I just dunno.
Depends on the boots, intended use and if they have cushioning or not. I read that the Norwegian army boots are generous in size as it's expected to use dubble socks.
Boots should be big enough so you wiggle your toes and don't hit your nails in the front when walking down hill.
One also have to take into account that feet swell during the day. If using dubble or trippel socks it important especially during winter that that the boots aren't too tight as it will hinder blood flow and compress the air in the socks.
In short, rather a bit room left than too tight as too small boots is hell to walk in.
I live shitting in the woods when it's cold. By sack stays close to my body, so I don't have to worry about getting shit on it like I do in the summer.
Also, cold air across your taint is a great feeling
Arcteryx is pretty good, imo. Usually have a thin layer on body that will dry off sweat and work as a warming layer, then a jacket over that. Also carry a warm sweater that I can put on over the first layer when I become stationary.
been thinking abour Gorka. how is it? the full set looks pretty damn tempting
how is it?
If you find one forn $80, they're a good deal. If you don't mind looking like an air softer they're actually really good, they're rain resistant but a poncho or larger rain jacket should be brought as well if expecting rain. There's a reason those Slavs are still using the same design for 40 years. Of course, Gore-tex is superior, but a full suit of Gore-tex might run you a bit more.
You say that like it's some sort of achievement. I joke of course, your system works for you. But you also have to remember that most militaries aren't exactly giving you top of the line stuff.
The thing about boot size as well, is that in the US system boots are about 1 size larger than normal shoes. For work boots, that would be somewhat detrimental. For rucking in the snow, that allows you to wear either a liner or extra socks.
I think the argument above is more of a miscommunication rather than a disagreement.
The part with the 3 sizes should be taken with caution. Wearing extra socks is not equivalent to having biggger feet in terms of fit. (Case in point, I have shoes that are too big, but cannot be worn with double socks because of the height.)
That's why there are boots like lundhags that are made especially to be worn with several socks and of course you try them on first with the appropriate number of socks, like you should any boots.
a NYCO or poly-cotton blend, 5.11's, fjallraven or TAD if you want to splurge. I would not go with jeans for 2 weeks plus innnawoods, they take forever to dry
have americans zero grasp on how to behave outdoors?
seriously what gives
Most murricans live on the coast, in the southern part of the country, and don't know how to behave in bad weather.
Thus why it's such a big deal when Florida, or Texas, or Arkansas get snow/ice storms.
Us northerners know how to behave in cold, since we're descended from the Scandinavians who weren't afraid to settle a new country, unlike your ancestors who were a bunch of pussies and were afraid to leave the home country, thus leading to cuckdinavia.
I never understood the point of knee pads on the outside for /out/ pants. I have arcteryx's drac pants in grey that has interior kneecap pockets, which is actually really handy when skiing.
I just buy Outdoor Life stuff at Sears (it's a store brand I think). I don't need no fantsy pants bullshit. This stuff is good quality and cumpfy and not very expensive.
lol learn some history man
the people that left scandinavia were looking for a better (easier) life because jobs in scandinavia paid less, it was just harder in general and very tough times that made them leave.
Kuiu is unmatched when it comes to warm waterproof gear. Great layering systems with zippers to thermoregulate when you're exerting yourself.
Just got back from an overnight in -20°C. That trip brought to you by Icebreaker, Lundhags, 10 Peaks, and ArcTeryx, with bags from Sea to Summit and Osprey, featuring overnight warmth from Exped and Feathered Friends.
Most purchased at the nearby Naturkompaniet and Alewalds, plus REI while in the States, and the rest online.
Oh, and some cashmere layers from Varvatos, no joke. Sometimes you gotta look /fa/ while /out/.
>Us northerners know how to behave in cold, since we're descended from the Scandinavians who weren't afraid to settle a new country, unlike your ancestors who were a bunch of pussies
Except it was pretty much the opposite. The emigrants were impoverished farmers who weren't tough enough to farm the rougher climate and worse soil.
This is not really uncommon knowledge...
Also you aren't really "descended" from Scandinavians since you are now mixed with various negroid races. I've had Americans with brown eyes and black hair come up to me and claim Swedish heritage.
It's not like I wanted it or anything....B-baka..
But americhan, i'm Australian. Dollar conversions hurt me.
I wish we had stores that sold Fjallraven stuff, but here it seems to be all sporty outdoor clothes like Mont and The North face rather than cozy things for camping.
Next to skin: wicking (merino or synthetics)
Mid layer: Warmth (fleece/wool)
Outer layer: Weatherproof (goretex or breathable synthetic hard/soft shell)
That's it really. Buy decent stuff and adjust based on your comfort.
People love them here in Norway but it could be biased opinions (just like everyone loves the sami knife, for sentimental value). I have not heard many negative things about it except that it really is air and water tight so you gotta be careful not to sweat inside and get wet on the inside. But there are several models available, with varying degree of insulation. The original has no insulation.
It's a bit more useful than a snuggie.
On average, European countries have more active/inactive military personel pr. capita than the US. Just sayin
Funny, for a europoor/europoor sympathizer, you obviously don't know any French. Otherwise you'd know that your reply has exactly jack fucking shit to do with unit morale.
Not like you would know, since you're all a bunch of conscripted fucks, instead of a professional Military.
fuck, Buffalo Special 6 sounds great, but 120 bongs? That's too much for europoor such as myself. Any cheaper substitute?
Got a relative that works for Columbia at their corporate headquarters in Beaverton, like she's literally Gert Boyle's assistant.
She hooks me up with the employee discount, which is fucking absurd BTW if you go to their employee store where everything is marked down anyway. Got a 120 dollar jacket for 30 bucks.
Nearly everything I own is Columbia except for my Darn Toughs, nothing they have comes close.