I'm writing you today because I want to know what you believe to be the best "outdoor"stove currently on the market. I know I could easily heat rocks to cook with but I don't think the people I'd take camping with me would appreciate their food cooked in such a manner. The Firebox G2 is making waves and the BushBox Ultralight ( see picture ) along with the Emberlit are popular but if I'm going to sink money into a stove like this I want to do so only after getting opinions on which one is best and why. Maybe you like the stove you're using because it is durable or easy to assemble; tell me about it. Maybe the stove you prefer is easy to feed into; I want to know. Let us discuss the best "outdoor" stove.
Saying something is the best is something anybody can do. What I want to know from you and others is what makes it ( in your case what makes the Jetboil Minimo ) the best? An example of this ( see image ) can be seen in the avertisement for EmberLit's Fire Ant; listing why they think it is a revolutionary product.
I have a ring of aluminium sheeting with holes in it, that I took from an old Apple MacBook. It fits perfectly over a sterno can, and when unhooked, it slips right into my tiny cook pot. MacBooks do make for pretty pricey stoves, though.
I found a jetboil flash for cheaps on eBay. Boils enough water to heat up a wet pack meal, make a brew and have hot shave water leftover. Takes less than a minute.
Used it for 16 days straight on one of the little canisters and its still not empty.
Interesting idea. I have an old laptop that isn't workable and I've just been holding onto it for ages. Maybe I'll take it apart and see if it has something similar to what you're describing.
Depends on the brand. I fix computers for a living, and that old MacBook was the only one that had aluminium of a decent thickness. It was also already scrapped.
You'll probably be better off selling the laptop on CL, and buying yourself a monster or other large canned beverage.
How can it be "best" when I can see and raise pic related?
you can buy a stainless steel hobo stove in ikea
I've been looking into just this a lot recently (should be working on my thesis but #YOLO).
Check out TLUD (top lit updraft) stoves. Most are larger and designed for third world fucks, but it can scale down probably. I'm probably going to throw together a micro naturally aspirated top lit updraft stove in the next week or so.
Anyway the whole point of these fuckers is they end up performing pyrolysis on your fuel (which can be all sorts of shit, from whatever wood or wood chips to literally shit) and burn the gas that's emitted. They're efficient as fuck, burn pretty damn hot, are stupid simple, and they make a nice, clean, nearly smoke/soot free flame.
Pic related is the basic idea.
Also the capillary hoop stove (search CHS-U on youtube for instructions) sounds like a pretty cool alcohol burner.
I have a Firebox and a MSR XGK. I almost always just use the XGK.
IMO If you want to use natural (wood etc) fuel, you're probably better off just getting a grill like Purcell Trench Grill (or a cheaper variant) than something like a Firebox or similar small 'stoves'. This way you can build bigger or smaller fires to suit your situation.
I found the Firebox very frustrating to use. In any conditions that are less than ideal, it is extremely difficult to get enough of a fire going to actually accomplish anything due to the small size. If your fuel sources are less than perfectly dry, they will require a substantial amount of extra energy to burn - energy that is not available from such a small stove. In those situations, you need to build a bigger fire in order for it to actually sustain itself. I had a very hard time keeping fires going in the Firebox using chipped deadfall when it was -20C outside. Over several days of attempts, I was never able to bring water to full boil in those conditions, even if I had a small fire going for ~30 minutes at times, it just didn't produce enough heat.
In warmer controlled environments when you can use the best fuel, I imagine it would be fine.
>extremely difficult to get enough of a fire going to actually accomplish anything due to the small size
This... these tiny wood burning "stoves" are essentially toys that fail miserably in 90% of real world usage.
>No need to carry extra weight
>2 in 1 campfire + stove
Where are you looking to camp?
I use an MSR Pocketrocket for normal solo/duo backpacking, and I have no qualms with it. Does what it's supposed to, easy to use, compact. And I use an MSR Whisperlite for 3+ people backpacking, or anytime in the winter or high elevation, because liquid is way better at altitude and in the cold than canister fuel.
If I'm car camping then a friend I go with regularly brings his Coleman two burner camp stove, similar to >>638924
I don't think I could ever do solid or alcohol fuel, because frankly, I'm impatient and I don't mind the extra weight for the convenience.
Ideally just something that is easy to break down/set up that takes multiple fuel sources. I'm fine just making a stone stove but my family wouldn't be willing to eat off it.
For those who made their own hobo stoves out of cans, how well do those work? Also, do the cans last a long time or does the heat warp them quickly?
There's a lot of youtube videos for wood gas stoves...
Is multiple fuel sources a must have for you? What is your price range? How many people are you cooking for?
There is no one-size-fits-all stove. It sounds to me like you will be wanting a Coleman, or equivalent brand, camping stove that takes those small green propane bottles. Whoever you're camping with won't give a damn what alloy your stove is made of or how it can use 7 different types of fuel if you can't make them consistent warm food. The two burner propane stoves are also simple to operate and set up/break down.
I swear by these, they can hold all the hexamine tablets needed for an outing inside and if you have a lighter you are pretty much set. They also cool down quickly so are good for cooking on the go.
I can't imagine I'll be cooking for more than five or six persons. Ideally I'd like to spend no more than $200 and while multiple fuel sources isn't a must I ideally want something that burns wood given how easy it is to collect leaves, twigs and the like and just toss them into a drybag for a wet day. So far, from what I know, I really like what I've seen of Solo Stove, the TOAKS stoves. Some in this thread ( >>639214 and >>639225 ) have mentioned the Firebox ( not sure if they meant Generation 1 or 2 ( G1 and G2 ) and others of similar design are not so great although I have heard the G2 Firebox is a huge improvement over G1. I've not heard a lot about the Bushbox other than a micro-model exists that is made specifically for Esbit tabs/Wet Fires/etc.
>you can make this out of dirt too
Yeah, you can basically make it out of anything, it's really just setting up adequate primary and secondary airflow, and maybe causing some turbulence and draft with a reducer and a chimney.
>Its smoke free after the red flame
It can be smoke free basically the entire time if you do it right. The problem is lots of the stoves you can buy don't finish the concept, like the solo stove or busybody. They've got the right idea (though some of the "theory' is absurdly wrong, like the solo stove claim that wood gas gets down drafted and sucked through the secondary airless, that's completely false). The problem is the gasses are just loosely burning at the top.
If you simply add a small aigret, then a plate with a reduced hole on top, then a chimney, you pull the gases up and combine with oxygen and they burn much more thoroughly. Of course that also creates a tall and unwieldy structure, but whatever.
For best effect one should do the math to figure out optimal ratios of diameter to height, and ventilation surface, but even just eyeballing shit makes for a far more efficient burn than an open fire. And if you get it more or less correct, you're left with a nice pile of charcoal which can be used for further cooking/grilling.
Probably a bit complicated/large/heavy for backpacking, but for car camping or off the grid living it's basically ideal.
The charcoal is great for grilling or running a forge or furnace, or biochar for fertilizer if you piss on it.
You might look into the "beaner stove". It's based on TLUD design, but is dual fuel. It can burn either biomass or alcohol. Pretty nifty: http://worldstove.com/wp-content/uploads/download/beaner_instructions.pdf
I've cooked for my family with one of these. It's pretty easy to cook most anything and even little kids can operate it and love to keep the fire going. The most elaborate thing I cooked was spaghetti with garlic bread. If it had a gas attachment it would be perfect
I'd rather not bring junk-foods; and you are correct in regards to my knowledge of these sorts of stoves. I'm clueless about them, too lazy/lacking in time to read reviews on every product on the market and lack money for anything super expensive.
Is that a Firebox or are my eyes playing tricks on me? If it is I'd love to read more about your experiences with it/thoughts about it. I'd also like to know if it is G1 or G2.
Yes, its all we use now, my 6 yearold can cook eggs over easy on it but it makes anything really, but baking that garlic bread was a bit of a challenge. Heck there's nothing like waking up and and making some smores and warming up around this thing.
It looks great for being six years old. How often do you use it and in what seasons/weather. Finally, do you think that the Firebox can, realistically, hold up to the promo-video that Tech Bench has airing on their YT channel? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zsgv9j5czU
Have you ever seen a picture of my six yearold you pervert jesus fucking christ?
I've used it year round but the wife and kids don't camp in the dead of winter. Anyway fuckoff if you are into little kids you pedo faggot
Obviously you don't need all that shit. You can build one yourself out of aluminum cans, stuff it with any kind of wood or biomass, and light it with just a bic lighter or a flint and steel with kindling and shit or whatever the fuck you want to use.
Pretty autistic to think you have to do things exactly as in the pdf.
I'm going to give this thread a bump and see if I can mine any more opinions out of /out/ regarding this topic before letting it die. In the event I don't get any replies I want to thank you all for the information you've given me. My first experience here in /out/ has been a good one.
It's a little heavy though for one person. I prefer my Optimus 8r.
Good to know; I'll look forward to seeing what is here when I wake up tomorrow.
There are a few, not many though. My main reason for preferring wood is simply because it is so easily available/renewable.
Actually, as I was doing some research on my own earlier today I found www.solostove.com actually makes a model that accommodates 4-6 people. They call it their "campfire" model and it nests inside their 2-pot set for compact storage. They also have a "Titan" model that nests inside their 1800 ML pot and a "Lite" model ( I think it was their original model ) that nests inside their 900ML pot.
TOAKS also has a full size and a mini stove that nest inside cookware.
If by hobo stove you the beer can style alcohol stove, they work well, don't warp from heat, and burn as efficiently as anything, mostly. But they crush easily and can spill flaming liquid everywhere. If you're set on alcohol stoves, the thicker aluminum bottles or axe spray can models are far more crush resistant, and would be worth building in a reservoir and fill valve to solve those issues.
I'm currently using sterno because I'll be hiking through areas that prohibit alcohol, but would switch back otherwise.
If you're heading to Ikea you might be interested in the Duktig kids cook set; set of mini stainless steel cookware for ten bucks.
My buddy has one of these and I'd suggest getting some stainless steel expanded sheet screen welded over the stove top, as the pot supports are pretty wide which makes for tipsy pots and pans when moving them about the surface.
I just made a ghetto wood gasification burner. Used two can and a shitty 99¢ pocket knife. Not perfect but I'm pretty fucking impressed with how well it works considering I just eyeballed that shit.
Only did a quick burn with a few tiny twigs, but after a mishap with some lighter fluid and a giant flaming mess on my table it looked like it was working right. Made a nice hot torch like flame, the burn was above the wood coming in jets from the secondary air inlets.
Kind of curious now as to how long it will burn with a fully packed load, since I made it pretty tiny. It's a regular bean can for the outer, and a tiny tomato paste can inside,so it can only take like <1/4 cup of fuel I'd guess.
I'll post pics later when I have time to do a full burn.
Also since the fuel chamber is so tiny I can already seeing it being a bit of a pain in the ass to load, since I was doing sticks upright and they have to be like 2-2.5" long so they don't extend beyond the secondary inlets. The width is good though, just wish I could find taller cans to increase the aspect ratio of it.
Also haven't added a condenser lid of chimney yet, curious to see how much that'll improve the draft.
Since aluminium is highly thermally conductive, and titanium is nearly insulative, why are most stoves made of aluminium and cooksets made of titanium? Seems like a really inefficient use of fuel.
>most cooksets are made of titanium
Titanium in general is less common in most applications because its ignition point is actually lower than its melting point, so the only way to melt it is to create an environment with no oxygen, which is a pain in the ass.
>a good lightweight propane stove that I can backpack with?
pic related - costs about 8 bucks - uses canister fuel (I use the 4 season propane / butane mix) & works great
Not lightweight but will burn white gas or unleaded gasoline & works much better in cold conditions than propane. Pairs nicely with its big brother >>638924
Pic related - very tough - hot efficient flame - costs $1 to make...
I have the MSR Whisperlite International. Tough as hell, easily most likely the last stove you will ever use, very easy to take apart and put back together (even in the field), and boils fast. Badass of a stove
>>And the design for it?
It's a aluminum water bottle stove... there's a blue million videos on YouTube showing how to construct one. Mine is a little different than most however because I angled the jets upward so they would better impact the bottom of my cooking vessel. Pic related shows the before and after of my modification.
>How do you angle the jets?
Here's the pic I posted last spring illustrating the way I angled the jets. Basically what you do is after drilling the jets, you take the same drill bit, turn it around and stick it's base into the jet, then just press upward until the jet is bent upwards at about a 45 degree angle.
With the original key and original instruction, circa 1968!
It's like it was kept in a fucking time capsule! It even still has fuel!
THIS is best stove!
Because it's lighter than aluminum, not that it really matters unless you're OCD about grams, and it's expensive, so casuals perceive it as being better, and thus they can charge an exorbitant amount for it.
Mines better because it folds up ;b
Even though it doesn't have the instructions, and the key is a replacement, so it took me a couple camping trips before I realized the on/off positions on the key was wrong.
It comes with the original wrench, though.
> missing parts, wrong parts, no original instructions =/= better
Mine nests. Unless you have a folding Billy pot, too?
Pretty sure all the alcohol gets burned off. In the odd scenario where that didn't happen, the remaining alcohol would evaporate before you'd be using the stove again.
Plus if any was left before you were cooking, it would definitely evaporate as soon as you started cooking as the boiling point is only 65C.
Too bad that taxes make using such a toxic fuel viable over ethanol though.
> gasoline & works much better in cold conditions than propane.
No, propane is MUCH more reliable in cold conditions, as it’s a gas (upon exiting the bottle or tank) while gasoline vapor can condense in cold weather back to a liquid.
As anybody who has tried starting a snowblower on a freezing cold day can easily conform.
There’s a reason power ice fishing auger manufacturers are all switching to propane.
>You can't use a griddle for shit with them.
My buddy has one of them cast iron square griddles, kinda like pic related and it works great.
But the open-frame type pot supports are badly designed, as the gaps or spaces between them are far too large and make sliding pots and pans around annoying, thus the tack-welded sheet screen.
ITT: Car campers.
I guess adventure can be found from the comfort of your vehicle, eh /out/?
>ITT: Car campers.
I do a lot of canoe camping and use a full size Coleman stove + a cast iron dutch oven so don't make fuckin' assumptions
BTW - since you're obviously such a rugged outdoorsman why don't you post an ACTUAL picture of YOUR stove plz
>>fake ass wannabes always using stock images and shit
Ive got one of the Bushbox Outdoor Pocket Stove
but plan on getting a stove and canister sometime in the near future.Wats /out/'s opinion on pic related? Ive seen the Amazon reviews, what do you guys think? Looks like a good buy.
I'm not sure how this changes anything, but here you go. Looks suspiciously like the picture I posted previously.
>Getting this butthurt over who /out/s harder
Everyone has their own style and that's great, mine just happens to be harder, require more skill, and require more physical endurance. Is it an asshole elitist attitude? Sure, but poking fun and getting reactions is too entertaining for me.
Ignorance. I suggest at least googling something you clearly have little knowledge let alone first hand experience with before trying to make a ridiculous claim.
Propane stoves and propane ice augers are two very different things.
You clearly don't understand how camping stoves work if you truly believe propane is better for stoves at colder conditions.
We're not talking about ice augers. They operate completely differently than stoves.
Naphtha stoves (white gas) stoves are more consistent at colder temperatures because one has the ability to pressurize the fuel when needed. The ability to just pour in unleaded gasoline which is much more readily available is also a clear advantage when you're in the middle of nowhere. Gasoline is much more readily available than propane canisters.
White gas stoves such as the one posted are much better at colder temperatures for a few reasons. The fuel is heated because it has to travel across a burner through a generator before it travels back under to be outputted. The individual that is operating the stove controls the pressure as you must pump the stove to get it going. These two factors result in a much more consistent flame.
In most propane stoves (I've seen very few that you can add pressure) the pressure is what you have with the canister. The pressure drops as the temperature drops. The pressure of propane below -10 goes to shit. You do not get the same use out of a propane canister at 10C and -10C. The use is much shorter lived and the flame is much more erratic.
>Liquid fuel stoves are consistent through all seasons and conditions.
I've never had much issue starting my snowblower even at -40C...
I've used all types of stoves over the last 25 years in Northern Ontario with the scouts and working as a geoscientist doing countless field expeditions. To this day nothing beats liquid fuel for an all around stove.
I have one and I like it... I've burned 2 fuel canisters thru it (maybe 40 uses) so it's already paid for itself. The stove is really only suited for boiling water due to the narrow flame ring but I'm sure it could be used for limited cooking. I use mine mainly for freeze dried - ramen - rice or pasta and it works great for that.
>and stop using the lord's name in vain.
this is /out/ friend. A place where we like darwin turtles, not jebus fishies.
Anybody know of a single burner propane stove that doesn't have the burner sit on top of the tank? I like the convenience of propane, but don't like the thought of a pot sitting on top of a propane canister.
Like a whisperlite, but with a propane bottle instead of a gas bottle.
There's no danger from positioning the pot above the propane bottle - the only downside is that sort of layout can be kind of top heavy and prone to tipping over unless you have some kind of base or legs to stabilize the tank. Having the burner screw directly to the tank is the simplest design and therefore less prone to failure over time when compared to a system that uses a hose.
How's the MSR Windboiler? Is it big enough for a proper meal I can't really tell.
>How many "hose failures" on your stoves?
I have a Coleman propane model 5410 (pic related) whose hose cracked and developed a leak next to the crimp fitting where it attaches to the stove. I was able to nigger-rig a field repair with a piece of electrical tape then a more permanent solution with JB weld after arriving home. A couple years later, I found an identical stove in poor condition at Goodwill for $4.94 which luckily had a useable hose assembly.
so yeah, hoses do fail
the Christian started this shit, now pipe down and quit being butthurt
Unless you're taking them backpacking, then just get a coleman two burner propane stove. They're great for any sort of car camping, and they heat stuff up really fast. I've cooked with a wok on a coleman.
If you are going on an excursion, the MSR Dragonfly is a beast stove when it comes to cooking for 5+ people at once.
Hey OP don't wanna make my own thread so I'm gonna jack this one for a second.
I'm looking for a new cookset, my REI one has its nonstick coating peeling off and I'm looking for a replacement. I already have a minimalist for when I camp by myself but I'm looking for one for 4 people. I generally go camping with 2-4 people and I'd like a cookset that has at least a pot and a pan that I can bring along for those. Lighter is better.
I've got a Tatonka steel billy and the lid is a little wok, pretty comfy little mess. :3
>How big of a pot should I be looking for for 4ish people?
What kind of foods do you want to prepare?
Freeze dried for 4 requires about 4 cups.
Chili or soup for 4? You need more like 4 pints.
It's pretty simple...
With freeze dried, you only boil water in the pot. The food is "cooked" in it's resealable bag so you can get by with a much smaller pot. If the food is actually cooked in the pot, it's going to need to be large enough to hold 4 large servings (plus a little bit of extra room for movement during boiling)
I have one and its awesome.
For boiling water.
The heat isn't quite adjustable enough to really cook with that well. I cooked pasta once and couldn't keep it from burning a little.
But for hearing water for coffee, mountain house meals, tea, or drinking water. It's awesome.
For like $10, why not?
Anybody have experience with these?
I hear people often have to drill holes for more air flow.
Soak it for while to let it absorb water. I'd probably rather brink a lot of peanut butter, chocolate, snack mix, trail mix, granola, nuts, jerky type stuff rather than eat cold noodles, cold mashed potatoes, or most freeze dried stuff I can think of.
What's a solid, one burner propane stove that has great control.
I'd like to be able to boil water quickly but also be able to simmer etc.
My plan is to pack it on my motorcycle.
Drilling holes is only the minor problem. That particular stove has issues with the hinges warping and/or clogging with soot making them more of a novelty than a serious use item.
Sterno is a shitty fuel, worse than straight-up heet. If you're using a cat food can stove, or hexamine/trioxane tablets, they work fine, but it takes like 15-30 minutes to boil a liter of water with sterno.
>Sterno is a shitty fuel
I sorta agree... Sterno's flame just isn't very intense. I used pic related this past summer and it took almost 30 minutes to bring 1 liter of water to a boil. Granted, the pot didn't fit the stove very well but that's still a completely unacceptable time. While it's not suited for quickly boiling water, Sterno does a much better job at actually cooking food. I've made pancakes, bacon, fried potatoes, fried fish, griddle cakes (cornbread), and rice on my Sterno stove and the moderate heat did a great job of cooking without the danger of overheating and burning it.
You seem to dislike HEET - have you ever used it?? I think it works great...
You say HEET is "worse" than 90% isopropyl or denatured... Could you elaborate? Exactly how do you think it's worse? In my experience denatured is pretty good but insanely expensive and 90% isopropyl absolutely SUCKS compared to HEET. 90% Isopropyl takes longer to come up to priming temperature, blackens the bottom of your cooking vessel and when it burns out, it leaves this nasty water residue behind. Depending on you stove type (soda can - water bottle) this leftover water can be very difficult to remove and if NOT removed, it will contaminate your next fuel load, lowering it's percentage and exacerbating the negative effects I listed above. HEET, on the other hand, quickly comes up to priming temp, burns hot and clean and has a beautiful blue flame (pic related)
There's 2 kinds of HEET.
Yellow bottle - 100% methanol (the good stuff)
Red bottle - isopropyl
>20% less energy per gram
If you were NASA preparing for a mars mission or some ultralight fag worrying about shaving .023 grams from your pack, then maybe this is something to think about but in real world usage you'll never even notice it. What you WILL notice though is that denatured alcohol is more than 2X the price of HEET (25 cents per ounce vs. 11 cents per ounce). Another concern is that denatured usually comes in a big heavy clunky ass metal can whereas HEET has a small lightweight plastic bottle. With denatured, you're forced to find a smaller lightweight container to carry it in plus all the hassle of having to transfer the fuel into it. Depending on the length of my trip I just carry one or two bottles of HEET in my pack (usually one) then chunk them into the campfire as they are emptied.
How fucking lazy are you that pouring liquid into a plastic bottle is considered a hassle? You can get denatured alcohol cheap, and just because you found someone overcharging for it on Amazon doesn't mean anything.
Let's compare them when buying from the same seller:
That's 9.5 cents/oz of denatured alcohol and 11.5 cents/oz for HEET. The only benefit to HEET is that you might find it at more places that don't have denatured alcohol available.
They are both good and will work fine for a trip. But just because they will both work doesn't mean one isn't the superior fuel.
>then chunk them into the campfire as they are emptied.
Confirmed for white trash...
>The only benefit to HEET is that you might find it at more places that don't have denatured alcohol available.
I would suggest the opposite is the case, as denatured alcohol has been around forever and can be found in local hardware stores.
Most hardware stores will carry HEET as well though. Gas stations will have HEET while they probably won't have denatured alcohol unless they happen to be in a place with a bunch of thru hikers.
So I'd give the edge to HEET for availability even if it's pretty rare that you won't be able to find denatured alcohol when you need it. If you do what >>647623 this /out/ist does (i.e. not resupplying on the trail) then there's really no excuse except ignorance/laziness to not be buying denatured alcohol by the gallon as it will be cheaper and lighter than using HEET.
You fuckin' dildo, did you even notice that the denatured alcohol you posted the link to isn't in stock at Walmart but must be ordered and shipped from a third party? AND did you see that 6 to 7 day shipping is 5 dollars??? So the actual price is $8.03 a quart or TWENTY FIVE CENTS AN OUNCE and btw, the price I posted the pic of wasn't for "someone overcharging for it on Amazon" it's Home Depot's everyday price....
And yes, pouring denatured out of those cans IS a hassle. The nozzle is always short as hell and not suited for precision pouring which in most cases necessitates the use of a funnel. So to use denatured requires me to have 1) a storage container 2) a funnel 3) a container to use in my pack.
Which is worse, burning your trash or hauling it out, and having it shipped off to a landfill? FYI - I burn ALL my trash plus I pick up and burn anything I find on the trail or any campsite along the way. If that makes me white trash then yeah, you got me pegged.
What are you on about? I wouldn't actually order it online and pay shipping. If you noticed, the HEET also had a $5.00 shipping charge in the link I posted. Both are being sold through the same 3rd party retailer, Zoro. If you go into a hardware store or Walmart to buy stuff you'll notice that they don't charge shipping.
When you buy denatured alcohol it comes in a storage container. I honestly can't help you if you think that needing a spare gatorade bottle is a problem or if you can't pour liquids from one vessel to another.
Dude - Walmart has HEET in stock, they do NOT stock "Sunnyside" denatured and it MUST be ordered and shipped from the third party seller. Incidentally, I stopped by Walmart tonight and sure enough, no Sunnyside, they DID have another brand in stock though at 20 cents an ounce (pic related) - still almost 2x the price of HEET.
If you can find denatured on the shelf, in stock ANYWHERE, for less than the price of HEET, post a pic...
Bitch, you're the one that posted the Walmart link with $5 shipping, so now you say you're gonna order it direct from el Zoro eh? What if you wanted to go camping THIS weekend and was out of your precious. What would you do? Would you borrow mommy's credit card, order it from Zoro and wait a week? No, you'd hoof it down to the store and pay 7 to 8 bucks for it. Me? I'd pick up a bottle of HEET for a buck and a half.
If you wanna pay double for your "superior" fuel in it's heavy clunky container, then pour it in a freakin' Gatorade bottle for transport, BE MY GUEST.
Search online all you want, but like I said before:
"If you can find denatured ON THE SHELF, IN STOCK, ANYWHERE, for less than the price of HEET, post a pic..."
I downloaded the MSDS for Sunnyside denatured alcohol and guess what?
It's 52.3% methanol !
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If you camp in the summer and can put it in the sun with something to reflect extra sunlight onto it you can heat it warm enough to absorb the water reasonably quickly. Not quickly enough if you're hiking, though.
I have three of those stoves. They're great. We car camp a lot since my wife has MS and can't into hiking long distances any more. I have a propane conversion tube, so I can use gas or propane. It's great.
When I showed this douche nozzle >>647589 that the price of denatured was DOUBLE that of HEET, he accused me of finding "someone overcharging for it on Amazon", apparently unaware that 7 to 8 bucks a quart is the going rate. (I'm now of the opinion that he probably has no actual experience in either buying or using ANY sort of cooking fuel)
He then found Sunnyside "denatured alcohol" listed on Walmart.com for $3.03 and was all like "Oh yeah, see here... denatured alcohol is cheaper". What the dipshit failed to notice however was the $5.00 shipping, sooo I pointed this out to him.
He then flew into a frenzy tapping away at his keyboard until he found that a quart of Sunnyside "denatured alcohol" was available from Zoro.com for $3.03 with FREE SHIPPING. He proudly displayed his findings then smugly added, "Have you even looked in a store for denatured alcohol before?"
He found ONE example of "denatured alcohol" (notice the quotes?) that was priced lower than HEET and preened around in glorious victory.
Sunnyside denatured alcohol IS NOT denatured alcohol
Denatured alcohol has traditionally been 90% ethanol + 10 % methanol (other adulterants are now used depending on the intended use). There are US, British and EU regulations mandating the formulations. All formulations adhere to this 90%
ethanol base. (a few specific formulations allow further dilution to 85% ethanol)
Sunnyside is 52.3 % methanol and 43.2% ethanol. Disregarding international regulations, even the most brain dead jackass would have to admit that Sunnyside is actually adulterated METHANOL since it's found in greater concentration.
You will indeed find both methanol and (actual) denatured alcohol cheaper per ounce in large quantities, and while there is some variation in price on retail quantities (a quart or less) you WILL discover that denatured is usually around twice the price of methanol which was my original assertion...
>propane conversion tube
Yes, those propane adapters rock!
By removing the red gas tank, I can fit 2 propane bottles and the conversion tube inside the stove for storage & transport. (I've never used more than 1 bottle during a camp out but having a backup is nice...)
>People spend hours arguing over things that have no practical effect on their lives.
Isn't this why everyone comes back? Well, this and to post pictures of rock formations that look like dicks.
I'm here because I tend to go through obsessive phases that last a week or two, and this week it was camping stoves.
I finally managed to put together a little sideburner out of aluminum cans, and now I'm off to do something else stupid.
I like the propane generators, but sometimes I have a hard time running both burners with propane, especially when it's cold out, or if the tank gets low.
The three burner ones are nearly impossible to use all burners with, unless you've got it hooked up to a big tank.
Excuse my French but you don't know what the FUCK you are talking about...
>The three burner ones are nearly impossible to use all burners with, unless you've got it hooked up to a big tank.
Yeah. Then again, the only time I use a Coleman is when we're car camping and I have a big bottle and a distribution tree with a lantern on top.
>protip: leave lantern on, close valve on tank, lantern will burn 10 to 30 minutes before the pressure in the tree goes down, giving you plenty of time to get into the tent and into your sleeping bag
Propane is supposed to be good to 40 degrees below 0 F. Maybe you just have a bad propane adapter. I have 3 of them and one is definitely weaker than the others. Maybe try cleaning the jet. They make a tool for this (tiny thin wire w/ a metal handle) that doesn't cost but a buck or two. You can probably get one at your local hardware store.
2 reasons - Propane is a component of raw natural gas while hydrogen must be created through energy intensive industrial processes, therefore hydrogen is much more expensive. Also when propane is compressed, it forms a liquid which allows a lot of it to be stored in a small space. Hydrogen on the other hand requires extremely cold temperatures before it will condense into a liquid so much less energy can be stored in a given space as compared to propane unless you have a method of cryogenically storing and maintaining it.
>So to use denatured requires me to have 1) a storage container 2) a funnel 3) a container to use in my pack.
Not even him but 1) it's purchased in the storage container 2) funnels are ubiquitous 3) if you don't have a container to use in your pack how you gonna pack fuel innawoods?
What I got from your post was 1) you're a lazy faggot who 2) hasn't got the sense god gave a botfly and 3) you just gave me cancer.
Dear Sir or Madam:
Your currency conversation is backwards. Pic related.
>>Not even him
sure you're not… we TOTALLY believe you
>> 1) it's purchased in the storage container
>> 2) funnels are ubiquitous
How "ubiquitous" are funnels contaminated with methanol, denatonium benzoate, and methyl ethyl ketone? Once you use a funnel to transfer your fuel, it's pretty much ruined for any other purpose.
>> 3) if you don't have a container to use in your pack how you gonna pack fuel innawoods?
You stupid shit, the whole point was that with HEET, you're not required to have a storage container, funnel and pack container because all three are integrated in the bottle it comes in. (pic related cuz I'm sure you can't picture it in your mind)
>>What I got from your post was
>> 1) you're a lazy faggot who
>> 2) hasn't got the sense god gave a botfly
…because I don't want to pay twice as much for a fuel that has only marginally better energy content plus requires you to have multiple containers and a funnel to transfer it? That's some brilliant deductive reasoning there Sherlock… What I got from YOUR posts is that you're a pathetic armchair outdoorsman with no real world experience and you don't have the good sense to cut your losses and give up after you repeatedly embarrass yourself with your obvious ignorance.
>>and 3) you just gave me cancer.
then crawl off and die faggot
So angry. I like it. Do it again.
>high fives for the women, open-mouthed tongue kisses for the men
I mean, all I've ever been actually diagnosed with is depression, but I generally either outright lied to my therapists or just didn't give them all the details.
I do tend to get certain thoughts stuck in my head.
Mine is just a ring of aluminium sheeting, as a vented potstand. It does, as anon said, take about fifteen minutes to boil water, but if you're just heating it up to rehydrate a meal or make a hot drink, five minutes is plenty.
Sterno cans can be refilled with egg shells, vinegar and yellow HEET for less cost then replacing the can, btw.
Wow, that's a lot of residual fuel and pressure left in that tree.
That did cross my mind but I thought it was only when it was used in hydrogen cells that produced electricity, usually found in those experimental electric cars.
Big deal, I got something about hydrogen wrong, oh the humanity :^)
They're just tsundere.
>I do tend to get certain thoughts stuck in my head.
Could also be bipolar. I am and that happens sometimes. I'm usually more on the depressed side then I have bursts of energy where I feel like I can do anything and I'm near invincible. Such a rush sometimes, esp when I'm doing something risky which is also a bipolar thing.
When you find a good therapist (which is tough) be honest, they're there to help you (and your shekels lol)
I also got that from his posts.
They're easily available and cheap.
Just like his mom, I guess that's why he's so butthurt.
>egg shells, vinegar and yellow HEET
What? I've never heard of this, what is the role of the vinegar and egg shells?
>>egg shells, vinegar and yellow HEET
This piqued my interest so I've been researching it and, YES it apparently does work. You can also substitute chalk or plain Tums for the egg shells (these are sources of calcium carbonate) When mixed with vinegar it forms calcium acetate. Then add your alcohol of choice and it's supposed to gel instantly.
I'm gonna try this tomorrow...
Cool shit, chemistry is awesome.
I really like how threads take different paths on 4chan. Who would have guessed I'd learn how to make a napalm like substance in a thread about camping stoves?
Yeah that guy is/was one of my favorite youtube channels, relaxing and interesting chemistry stuff with no bullshit, a shame his new job doesn't let him do as much shit as he used to. It's hard to find good stuff on youtube that isn't lame pandering crap.
Calcium carbonate from the eggshells and acetic acid from the vinegar creates calcium acetate which is a gelling agent. It works on any type of alcohol, but yellow HEET is cheap, burns great and clean and it's easy to find.
I thought you guys would like that.
Probably. But if it were all that effective, I'd imagine you wouldn't be able to buy sterno in the first place. It burns slower and cooler than liquid alcohol, so the applications would be limited.
Think that's cool? Fuel tabs can be used to make RDX, the explosive component in plastique. Metalic sodium catches fire (or explodes) when it gets wet. So does magnesium, potassium and several others. Mixing chlorine bleach and oxygen bleach makes Gatorade.
It's actually embarrassingly easy to make explosives if you know what you're doing,
and I'm not just talking about dynamite.
The only reason people make anfo is because it's literally foolproof to make, and until recently was very easy to get a hold of the two ingredients. A quick stop to the garden store and the gas station, and you've got 20lbs of HE on your hands.
My organic chemistry teacher told me about one time a couple of his students "accidentally" made Picaric Acid, otherwise known as lyddite.
I say "accidentally", because the explanation they had was plausible, but not likely for two seniors to have made that particular mistake. I don't remember what the mistake was.
They quietly got rid of it before anyone else found out and started a shitstorm.
Organic chemistry is a fascinating subject, made even more so by the "cool factor" of explosives, because hey... Explosions are cool. I'd definitely take the time to learn more about it all, if not For the disappointing fact that being capable of making an explosive puts you on a watchlist. And I'm probably on enough already.
>cutting the head off of fish before cooking it.
Really, if you know how to do nitration, that's 90% of it.
Nitric acid will turn anything into explosives. Sawdust, glycerine, toluene, hexamine camping tablets, erythritol, urea, antifreeze, you name it.
Ice blue, actually.
Mixing chlorine bleach and oxygen bleach makes sodium chloride (salt), hydrogen dioxide (water), and dioxygen gas (air), so... electrolytes!
That seems overly simplified. I tend to make a lot of weird and crazy shit, but every time I do, the first question I ask myself is "why doesn't everyone do this?" and if I can't think of a good reason not to do it, then I know I haven't thought it through very well.
Well, buying nitric acid will probably put you on some kind of watchlist, and nitration reactions have the potential to overheat if you don't keep them cooled down.
The main reason is probably that most people don't need to make high explosives at home, and the ones that do are mostly suicidal sand people that are willing to risk their asses on organic peroxides.
Wish I paid attention in hs chemistry.
Not for allah snackbar reasons but to understand how power is made in the internal combustion engine. All that boring shit like flame kernels and quench area fascinate me.
That's funny, I was just looking to see what the toxicology of different alcohols was, and came across an article about acetone peroxide. You'd have to be crazy and suicidal to want to make that. I didn't see a direct comparison, but it looked like nitroglycerin crystals may be more stable.
I'm not a fan of losing fingers or freedoms though, so I won't be playing with such things.
As long as you're not regularly buying gallons of it, you shouldn't have to worry about being put on a watchlist, but if you're really paranoid, you can make it with a computer psu and some water, then dry it with iirc epsom salt. Nurd Rage goes over it in one of his videos.
My friends had a basic black gas barbecue in similar size to yours in their hippie Wolkswagen camping bus. The trick was that they had a big thick sheet of rock that they had collected, put that in there and close the lid and ta da, an oven. We made lasagna, bread, you name it. Sucks you don't have a lid, huh.
I purchased some cheap chinese folding stove to try out last summer, and although I found it easy enough to cook over/ small wood fires are comfy as fuck, it was just way too messy. Soot all the pot and the stove itself, ain't nobody got time to clean that shit off every time. Made a really nice holder for my hobo stove though.
With a high enough current you can fuse nitrogen and oxygen molecules in the air into NOx which turns into nitric acid if you add it to water.
I don't know if that's what he's talking about though.
So you'd have to nitrogenate the water first or during, and then use electrolysis to rearrange the bonds? Seems complicated.
Isn't black powder still the easiest thing to make out of naturally sourceable materials? If I remember correctly it's just coal, sulphur and urea.
>At this point, I just want to see how long it takes for the thread to get pulled, lol.
Nah, just bubble NOx though water. Hydrogen peroxide if you want a higher yield. That's it.
For black powder, you need to make saltpeter, which is urea that bacteria have nitrated.
Traditional sources for this are guano caves, compost piles, and the "Swiss method" of pissing in hay and then leaving it out for a year or so.
I should probably mention that you can make a nitration solution by adding potassium nitrate (available as a food preservative) to sulfuric acid (available as drain cleaner.)
From there you could just make methyl nitrate and use some black powder percussion caps to set it off.
Or you could just make tannerite, which is actually legal, in addition to being safe, easy and cheap.
>Wow, that's a lot of residual fuel and pressure left in that tree.
Half inch pipe three feet long at full bottle pressure. That's a decent volume. It's awfully handy to use that way, and it lasts much, much longer if you turn the lantern down a bit.
I use the alcohol burner from a 1960s fondue set with alcohol when I'm backpacking. I'm thinking I'll design something that comes apart and lies flat and does a decent job of gassification when it's burning when I get time. I'm too damn busy now.
I've cooked on open fires, but I don't have experience with wood fired (light weight) stoves.
My best experience has been with white gas fired stoves. They weigh more, but I've found them to be more fuel efficient because compared to compressed gas blends white gas has more BTUs per unit of volume. I also like being able to check my fuel level and know exactly what I have remaining. Compared to my pocket rocket, my whisperlite sometimes took up less room in my pack because of the canisters. If I had a partial canister I HAD to take an extra because I had no way to tell how much was left. With my whisperlite I could simply top off the fuel bottle.
Best bang for buck? I'd probably go with a soda can stove that doesn't require a preheat burn, hardware cloth pot holder, and carbon felt or aluminum wind screen. It weighs practically nothing and can be built for less than $50 if you have to buy everything.
>soda can stove that doesn't require a preheat burn
is this even a thing? in my experience, all soda can stoves have to heat the fuel to vaporization temp before they begin to function properly. i haven't made EVERY type of soda can & cat food can stove but i've made several and they all start off slow then gradually begin heating efficiently as the fuel warms.
>preheat burn that isn't in the fuel chamber itself
yeah, that makes sense...
my pressure jet stove requires an external priming pan to heat the fuel before it will even ignite.
I mean a can stove that doesn't require a preheat pan or covering the thing in alcohol and setting it on fire.
The two stoves in the picture you just fill with alcohol and light the center. The burn in the middle heats the stove and the jets catch themselves. For reference I was comparing 16 jets to 32 jets.
I'm thinking of buying one of these for cooking.
Since I'm living out of my vehicle right now, I figure it would be the easiest method of cooking food.
I got one of those as a present. They eat lots of fuel canisters. Single burner propane stove that sits on a standard propane can is better. If you have access to a big bottle and a hose, a two-burner stove is better still.
Those are great little stoves, we had one in our dorm room and made EVERYTHING on it. Since they're flat they can be slid into a drawer, etc for storage. This Korean dude that lived down the hall had one too and he said they were very popular in Asia for folks that lived in tiny apartments without a kitchen.
That gives me feels of before my dad became a total piece of shit. Camping in Wisconsin, fishin', and eggs and bacon in the morning.
I miss the old White Gas. Everything is propane now. But there is something about having to pump up the lantern and stove to keep it burning.
I think I need to invest in some camping equipment again and take my lil brother on a fishing trip. He hasn't gotten to experience any of that.
I used this thing many times during my holiday to Norway/Sweden earlier this year and the cooking part was very easy. It really is a bitch to clean when you try to cook using a large fire and you get it all sooty. I was glad we had acces to so much water to clean it a little.
I made a soda can stove today and I saw a multitude of designs. I made one with 16 holes, and a hollow center. Is that type of design better than the penny/coin stove setup? I'm probably going to make another one tomorrow, and probably a tuna can stove as well to experiment. Any advice on how to easily remove the bottom of the can?
Scoring the bottom of the can with a utility knife a couple of times generally gets it out pretty cleanly and easily.
I'm personally biased towards the sideburning design, because it's pressurized, doesn't require priming, and doesn't need a pot stand.
I have one of those pots with heat exchangers and don't think foil would work with that. That pot is already permanently blackened anyways and I melted off the silicon handles. Think I'll just stick to alcohol and use wood as an emergency alternative if I run out.
Design should depend on the pot or pan you are using it with. I prefer the penny stove with jet pointed inwards for my pot >>655055 but the open-top side-jet design would be best for large fry pans. In general you want as much bottom coverage for even cooking without the flames/heat escaping around the sides.
I used a razor blade stuck in between pages in a heavy book at the appropriate height. Hold the can against it while rotating 3-4 times and you can usually pop it apart real clean, but I think i would be easier to just to use scissors if you can cut straight enough.
MSR Pocket Rocket, super light and packable. Boils water quickly.
Since making the stove I saw some better techniques like the scoring and the stationary razor blade for cutting. The holes in the top are also too big. I'll probably use a push pin instead of an awl for the next one. The most trouble I had was getting the inner wall to properly fit the top segment properly. Cuts weren't really neat enough
Stuff's real neat. Only complaint I have is that the cup/bottle sits a little low on the stove, blocking the airflow. Maybe I'll add pack some wires or something to help with that.
>Looks dangerous as fuck
Naa, it's stable and "safe" as any other stove. I've used it dozens of times on all kinds of surfaces (pic related) and never even come close to having a spill.
That being said, check out my video of what would happen if it (or any other alcohol stove) DID get knocked over...
>Looks much safer
I remember watching the build video for the other stove you linked to and while it's indeed a work of art, it's construction is also overly complicated and time consuming, plus it's much more bulky and not nearly as packable as a simple water bottle stove.
I used a small (Starbucks double shot?) can alcohol stove for a while, but did most of my cooking over fire last year. It ended up getting crushed on my trip back, so I'm looking to make another. Has anyone seen/used hard can (axe, aluminium bottle) stoves? I think it would be a pretty negligible weight increase without the worry of it getting smooshed. Can it be made without a vice, maybe tapping it down with a hammer?
>>tapping it down with a hammer?
Yeah, place a block of wood on top to protect the aluminum then tap in a circle around the circumference - slowly - while making sure it's going together evenly.
That's what I was thinking, but is this hypothetical or have you done it? Not that it would be a major loss if it didn't work, I just want to know if I should buy a vice instead of just winging it.
Jeez... Never used an axe can (fuck that stinking shit) but I've made 6 water bottle stoves and used a block of wood + hammer on every one. It works great. When the neck piece bottoms out, stop hammering or it'll bow out the bottom and your stove will rock when in use. Also if the top edge doesn't mate exactly, you can turn it upside down on a large sheet of fine grit sandpaper then scrub it around in a circle until you have a perfectly flat rim to set your cooking vessel on.
I appreciate the quick reply and great advice.
I guess axe would make more of a supercat, since it doesn't have a neck anyway. Rereading that, context is important.
You said water bottle stove. Is this like the aluminium Budweiser bottles? Do you know what the ideal flame heighth is?
I was thinking about packing pre-measured single serving packets of HEET with each meal in vacuum bags. Is this a horrible or awesome idea?
I think the bags would be solid enough, but if not, I risk contaminating my food. On the other hand, if the bags aren't puncture resistant, the food may not be good anyway.
An aluminum beer bottle will work but a dollar store aluminum water bottle (pic) is much thicker - stronger - more durable.
There's a shit load of vids showing the process for making one. Here's one that I picked at random:
He uses a dremel tool to cut the bottle but I found that a hacksaw also works good at making a smooth even cut - just work slowly. He also uses a dremel to notch the neck of the bottle - while I used a round file. You WILL need an electric drill with a 1/16 (or smaller) bit to drill the jets - a drill press really helps if you have access to one.
Take your time and be methodical if you want to do a neat professional looking job.
Okay. I do see the advantages, but I want a narrower (beer) bottle because it'll keep the jets under my smaller cook pot better, resulting in less heat loss.
Nope. I'm totally serious. I'm going to be thru-hiking and want to make sure I've got enough fuel for each meal, without carrying extra, so having one oz or so per meal means I won't run out between resupply points. But if there's a legitimate reason you think this is a bad idea (beyond crazy and obsessively anal), I'd love to hear it.
well, having a flammable liquid that is easily ruptured next to everything you need in the outdoors seems like a bad idea to many of us.
Take a hint from the packaging people...have you ever seen denatured alcohol stored in a plastic bag and shipped? Just pack a measured amount in a sturdy bottle and feel secure in the knowledge that you may have extra. There are other places to save weight...ones that may not ruin your trip.
>But if there's a legitimate reason you think this is a bad idea (beyond crazy and obsessively anal), I'd love to hear it.
If you fall down, you will likely open the ziplock bags and put your fuel directly into your food. People do fall down occasionally.
Are you legitimately retarded? You're supposed to pump them up first, dumbass, then turn the air intake lever down, let it burn for a minute, then turn the lever back up. After that, it'll burn until the tank is empty.
No, they improved it with a self cleaning needle.
You can buy a new svea 123r for about $100usd still made in sweden. The only thing that got cheaper was the handle for the cup on top.