>Finally bring Ford Mustang to UK market after decades
Fucking LOL nice price point Ford.
No thanks I wont buy that M3 I'll take a fucking Ford.
With the emissions it pumps out causing the annual road tax to be so much, you'd think Ford would have the sense to price it accordingly.
Only people that desperately want a Ford Mustang for whatever reason will buy this. Everyone else will buy BMWs.
Oh but you can get the 2.3L ecoboost one which is cheaper and costs less in tax!
Even though it's pointless because the new Focus ST is going to have the same engine and be lighter and quicker.
>implying you can get an M3 for that much
Great fact checking OP
>it's expensive when compared to other cars on the market that cost the same
Pic related is totally not an interior full of plastic or anything
>WRX costs £6,000 less
>Half a second to 60 slower
>Makes you look 6000 times more like a wanker.
Partly but Ford ultimately decides the final price. They know how much the taxes and tariffs will be but choose not to lower the base price.
For example, Sony chooses to sell PS4s for cheaper in South America than in North America.
I reckon you guys are drawing the wrong comparisons altogether.
Not happening. Ford killed off "ford Europe" during their bailouts. All you will get now is the piss poor mewling of Americans trying to build cars for the global market and failing pathetically
All ford makes now is American cars for American tards.
Well I know Ford sets the final price, but I really doubt they could lower it much to be honest
The Mustang is a low margin car in the US to begin with. Dealerships don't really make a lot of money off them per unit, I think the average margin is 1500$ last time I saw a holdback sheet (which was in 2015 sometime). The main reason Ford has always given for keeping the Mustang out of certian markets was because they didn't think it would be cost effective
I would have such mixed feelings about car buying in the UK, because you guys have an amazingly dirt cheap used market, but your new car market just blows (at least in comparrison to the states, and the sort of cars I would be interested in)
American manufacturers really struggle to understand this whole export thing. They think because BMW/merc/Audi are so expensive they can charge huge premiums overseas and then wonder why their shit sells so bad, eventually saying "the market is too foreign and not ready for us"
I would actually contemplate buying an Ecoboost if it was a little cheaper. £30,000 is too much.
As other people have posted for slightly less than that you can get a 370z or WRX which rival the Mustang Ecoboost in performance.
Unless I'm missing something that makes the Mustang worth the extra money?
Or it's because straight line speed from gas-chugging V8s aren't as appealing in Europe since there's relatively little places to put power down, especially without getting buttfucked by the police. Plus gas prices, displacement taxes, lmaoinsurance and so on.
Yes it is. Ford Australia. And ford europe (formerly ford UK) were closed during the american bailouts in a move ford branded "the one ford plan" where they retreated back into the USA.
Its not huge premiums, the american companies don't mark there cars up from factory nearly as much as bmw, merc and audi does.Meaning when dealing with exporting to foreign markets they loss money on the cars or break even.
In the US they make slight profit, exporting they make none or loss money.
There's no such thing as displacement tax in the UK.
Vehicle excise duty is based on how many Kgs of CO2 the engine produces a year.
I pay the same tax on a 1.6L Mazda as it would cost to tax the 2.3 ecoboost.
I guess the reason they choose the UK over the mainland for the Stang is because our tax is emissions-based, rather than displacement-base.
That and that the GM Australian muscle has a dedicated enough following to justify keeping selling it here for the last decade.
yeah ford US just killed thousands of jobs and developed small consumer vehicles by themselves.
The "one ford plan" was about standardisation of production and models and also cost shifting. R&D and production of several independent models for national markets doesn't sound really profitable desu senpai.
Lucky , in italy we pay according to how many HP/kw a car has , and if a car has >250 hp we pay 20 euRo more for EACH HP .
So basicly a rich faggot can buy a panamera or evoque and doesn t pay a lot , then a middle class buys a civic type R or a 370z AND HE PAYS . This country is fucked up
anon from england here, he's talking utter bollocks the best you can get would be like a 328 if they even make them anymore. im debating this or saving 20k and getting an rr twingo for mad skids in the wet. our new car mark is over priced shit, used car market is one of the best and cheapist in the world tho
If you mean I'm lucky to get buttfucked less then maybe.
Vehicle tax based on emissions is a fucking scam.
I mean it's not like the government is taking all that money and building some giant machine that can reverse global warming, it's just giving it to immigrants and unemployed cunts.
Taxing based on emissions is just a way they can line their pockets with our money under the guise of saving the environment.
That doesn't mean it's profitable for western companies that have a very similar global consumer base (at least for compacts and smaller). They also rebadge pretty much all of their JDM cars for the european or even the american market.
See my original post g
Someone wanted the Capri back but it aimt happening because ford only make american cars now. No more escort, sierra, Capri. I don't even think they own cosworth anymore
So UK fags, I am curious now
When you buy a new car, you get an emissions tax right? What other, if any, taxes do they asses when you buy a car new? Is it the same when you buy used?
Are you also taxed on the car on a year basis? If yes, that do they tax you for?
David Cameron is trying to make it so only him and his rich banker friends can own fast cars.
>Oh shit someone is bringing out a cheap car with a lot of horsepower!
>Quick! Tax based on emissions, put insurance prices up, make petrol more expensive, put up more speed cameras!
I think you meant "the sexiest version of the foxbody Mustang"
>Looking at one of these on finance.
>First payment of £5000
>£450 a month for 24 months
>"Optional" final payment of £17,000
But £5,00 + £450 for 24 months isn't enough to pay for the car?
It is with the "optional" payment but that's implying it's a choice. Why would I choose to pay £17k?
I really don't care about what it does or does not look similar to, the Capri fox's headlights and grille are fantastic. If that car had the smaller front bumper and had some different wheels it would be perfection.
>mfw when kids think bmw is some kind of luxury brand
>mfw when bmw is the most unreliable of European cars
>mfw they have just as much cheap plastic in their interiors as ford
>mfw you pay 20K more for your joke of a car
Stay mad children, bmw is in for a rough decade if they don't stop price gouging.
Because time and time again it's been proven that it doesn't work and just makes people poorer.
For example placing sin taxes on alcohol doesn't stop alcoholics drinking it, it just makes them poorer for doing so.
And much like sin taxes punish moderate users of alcohol, emissions taxes punish normal people who are 0.0000000000000000000001% of the problem when businesses pollute like it's going out of fashion.
I mean why should I pay emissions tax when China builds a coal powerstation every week? Who's contributing more to global warming?
So tax the rich more.
The lower middle class which I'm a member of is the worst off class in Britain. We're too wealthy for state handouts but we're too poor to not be effected by high taxation on everything.
The meme where politicians alternate between welfare and corporate welfare as a way to help "the people" is awful, they squeeze the middle fiercely.
In much of America, if a single mother makes less than 70k, but more than 29, she's worse off than if she didn't work at all.
Benefit cliffs are garbage.
You are literally wrong. With the exception of imports that occur as part of an agreement negotiated with the government (Toyota Cavalier et al) or gray market imports (ie personally owned shit), Japan's import process costs approximately half the fair value of the car. Even though there is no clear reason why that is.
Sure, it's not 100% direct tax, but when GM's agreement with Tokyo expired, these indirect costs increased the sell price of these cars by almost 50%.
Which is why Japan went from buying 46,000 GM cars per year to 1400 between 1996 and 2006.
The big German luxury car makers all have import agreements similar to mid 90s GM.
In 1955, 80% of the world's wealth was controlled by people under 50.
In 2015, 90% of the world's wealth was controlled by people over 70.
Of course the worker suffers when the retiree controls all the wealth.
War against the olds when?
At least britbongs don't get raped *all the time*, comparatively.
Being a dutchfag is even worse; the taxman rapes you at the stealership (bpm, a Mustang carries a tax of more than 100%), he rapes you every quarter of the year (road tax based on weight), he rapes you on insurance (insurance is also taxed), and he rapes you at the pump (second most expensive gas in the world!).
And ironically it doesn't reduce CO2 emissions at all because it turns out that it keeps a lot of old Golfs, Polos and Corsas on the road which spew out a lot more CO2. We're far behind on the rest of the world. As far as it matters.
But then again all those taxes are just a way to rape the Dutch population. Effective tax pressure of 92%.
It's called the welfare trap. Along with tax loopholes that haven't been closed for years, it's the single biggest thing that's killing the middle class.
Trump should become president of the world.
Why is it that Americans are the only ones that complain about Japan being protectionist when every European brand sells in Japan no problem?
Also, there is no import duty on cars being imported into Japan
I've hear quite alot of protectionism from the American side however
>Which is why Japan went from buying 46,000 GM cars per year to 1400 between 1996 and 2006.
Does that include Isuzu which is a GM brand?
No, your annual road tax is calculated based on emissions, but only if the car is registered after 2001.
If it's registered before 2001, there's a fixed rate based on engine size, 145 quid for under 1.5 and 230 quid for anything over 1.5
That's literally it, there's no separate "emission tax" or anything like that, the road tax is all you have to pay.
If your car was made before 1975, there's no road tax at all.
>REEEE how dare those evil Japanese protect their own markets and ensure a continued base of production? It would be much better and cheaper for everyone involved if they outsourced everything to China, replaced 30% of their population with strikebreakers - uh, er, I mean, helpful and diverse immigrants - from the mainland, and completely opened the borders. Only then can Japan be a vibrant and fair country playing by the great neoliberal truths!
kek, next you'll tell me Japan should be invaded in a bid to force the opening of markets. Those damn racists.
>Does that include Isuzu which is a GM brand?
It only includes foreign production GM products. So a Indonesian made DMAX? Yes. A rehashed Daihatsu? No.
Also Volkswagen and the German luxury cars do decent, but PSA does GM tier despite the Nissan connection, Renault does so poorly they don't have a single importing dealer franchise, and moving past Europe, what about Hyundai and Kia?
There is nothing wrong with a little import obstructionism, the US could sure use it applied a little more consistently, but arguing that an automaker should have a vast quantity of home market specific oddballs just because it is profitable for Japanese manufactures in Japan is silly because it must be acknowledged that Japan has a high cost of entry, even if that cost of entry isn't directly a tariff.
m3 for same price...idiot. bmw commonest car on the road. idiot.
keep being poor. u clearly cant afford one, so why blame ford for your failures in life???
why dont people ever take self responsibility??
>Fucking LOL nice price point Ford.
Seems the underage americunt cant into basic economics. Of course a car is going to be cheaper in its domestic market where millions are sold. Meanwhile it has to have a lot of work done to make it compliant in the UK, it needs to be shipped over there etc.
I don't mean in price terms I mean that, as a fairly heavy, simple, powerful (by European standards) rwd sporting coupe from a non-premium brand, the Z is surely a far more natural rival for the Mustang than a rally-themed sport saloon or an image-conscious German executhingy.
Yet look at the prices. The Mustang needs to provide 10k more enjoyment than the Z to justify its price here. I know the Z's getting on a bit now, but that still seems a tall order.
They have also done their first shipment of these to Australia back in december 2015, they sold out faster than anywhere else in the world of the stock they had available, and have 4000 on preorder. They are selling them for $60k AUS which is about the same price as that.
And then fucking scalpers have bought the first shipment and are reselling at $90k AUS.
As opposed to what? plastic that looks like leather?
I would rather have an 06 Ford Taurus than most of the cars of comparable price that are in the UK, and I really hate old Tauruses.
Maybe BMWs are stale, and some UK dude has always wanted a Mustang and a pistol in his pocket. the UK will fuck you if you have a plastic picnic knife in your pocket, so he's willing to go halfway and spend some money for a stylish car.
Give it like 4 years and the price will go down. It's only expensive because it's a novelty right now. They're seeing how many people REEEALY want it.
anon is shit at explaining shit
it's charged per year, based on grams of CO2 emitted per km (dunno at what speed or whatever), pic related. I'm in band J as it happens.
this only applies to cars registered from 1 March 2001. older cars are taxed according to engine size, <=1549cc is £145/year and >1549cc is £230/year.
Replacing the old E92-generation M3 saloon and coupe with two separate model lines, they will go on sale in the UK in June 2014, priced marginally higher than before, starting at £56,175 for the M3,
I'm not saying they're diehards.
Is it so foreign to you that some people like cars for what they look like or are you a complete cretin?
The mustang was modeled after the P-51.
'Murica. Heil Hitler.