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>Finally bring Ford Mustang to UK market after decades
>£34,000

Fucking LOL nice price point Ford.

No thanks I wont buy that M3 I'll take a fucking Ford.

With the emissions it pumps out causing the annual road tax to be so much, you'd think Ford would have the sense to price it accordingly.

Only people that desperately want a Ford Mustang for whatever reason will buy this. Everyone else will buy BMWs.
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Fun Fact: Water is wet!
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>>14345437
>>£34,000
>implying this is expensive

You get a 420hp V8 plus it's in RHD now, finally.
Stop bitching. Final edition Monaros were just as much and that's nearly a decade ago.
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>>14345437

>m3
>34,000

Try adding another 22k onto that mate.
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>>14345451
It's expensive when compared to other cars on the market that cost the same.

Which is why only die hard fans would even contemplate buying this car.
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Oh but you can get the 2.3L ecoboost one which is cheaper and costs less in tax!

Even though it's pointless because the new Focus ST is going to have the same engine and be lighter and quicker.
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>>14345437
>£34,000
>implying you can get an M3 for that much

Great fact checking OP
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>>14345469

faster and more powerful then cars that cost the same.

How many cars at 34 putting down 420 hp
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>emissions tax
What a life the typical euro lives....
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Here's the competition.
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>>14345469
>other cars on the market that cost the same
Like? Tell me what cars on the UK market will that you that much capability for 34k pound brand new
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>>14345469
>it's expensive when compared to other cars on the market that cost the same

Nigger what?
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>>14345498
Because it's a fucking Ford with a plastic interior and a chinese gearbox. Ford is not a prestige brand.

At that price point you're competing with lower priced BMWs and Audi.
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>>14345508

Which will be much slower and less power.
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>>14345508
Clearly you missed my point

>more expensive than other cars that cost the same
>more expensive
>than cars that cost the same
>more expensive
>cost the same
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>>14345522
You never heard of something being expensive for what it is?

A £100 laptop is not an expensive laptop. But a £100 bar of chocolate is an expensive bar of chocolate.
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Mustangs have lost their way, they used to be able being affordable performance cars for the masses.
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>>14345532
That's literally comparing a laptop to a bar of chocolate. I was under the impression that this thread was comparing two cars
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>>14345508
Pic related is totally not an interior full of plastic or anything
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>WRX costs £6,000 less
>Half a second to 60 slower
>Makes you look 6000 times more like a wanker.
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BRING

BACK

THE CAPRI
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>>14345532
The Mustang isn't expensive for what it is, in fact quite the opposite
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>>14345554
The Ecoboost Mustang is £2,000 more than the WRX and 0.3 of a second slower to 60
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>>14345437
UK-fags, isn't most of that price because off all the import tax/tariffs that get tacked on to bringing it to the UK?
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>>14345592
Partly but Ford ultimately decides the final price. They know how much the taxes and tariffs will be but choose not to lower the base price.

For example, Sony chooses to sell PS4s for cheaper in South America than in North America.
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At £34k you're competing with Jags.

Not fast jags. But people those are the kind of cars that people with £34k to spare are buying.
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>>14345508
>>14345493
>>14345464
>>14345574
>>14345554

I reckon you guys are drawing the wrong comparisons altogether.
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>>14345592
>import tax/tariffs that get tacked on to bringing it
The taxes are pretty low
It's just Ford being jews, but even still 34k isn't a bad price
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>>14345561
Not happening. Ford killed off "ford Europe" during their bailouts. All you will get now is the piss poor mewling of Americans trying to build cars for the global market and failing pathetically

All ford makes now is American cars for American tards.
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I love it. Euros would rather complain about the company, when its your government that is causing it to cost so much. Stay cucked.
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>>14345600
>>14345622

Well I know Ford sets the final price, but I really doubt they could lower it much to be honest

The Mustang is a low margin car in the US to begin with. Dealerships don't really make a lot of money off them per unit, I think the average margin is 1500$ last time I saw a holdback sheet (which was in 2015 sometime). The main reason Ford has always given for keeping the Mustang out of certian markets was because they didn't think it would be cost effective

I would have such mixed feelings about car buying in the UK, because you guys have an amazingly dirt cheap used market, but your new car market just blows (at least in comparrison to the states, and the sort of cars I would be interested in)
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>>14345623
That's not true at all.
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American manufacturers really struggle to understand this whole export thing. They think because BMW/merc/Audi are so expensive they can charge huge premiums overseas and then wonder why their shit sells so bad, eventually saying "the market is too foreign and not ready for us"
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I would actually contemplate buying an Ecoboost if it was a little cheaper. £30,000 is too much.

As other people have posted for slightly less than that you can get a 370z or WRX which rival the Mustang Ecoboost in performance.

Unless I'm missing something that makes the Mustang worth the extra money?
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>>14345634
Or it's because straight line speed from gas-chugging V8s aren't as appealing in Europe since there's relatively little places to put power down, especially without getting buttfucked by the police. Plus gas prices, displacement taxes, lmaoinsurance and so on.
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>>14345631
Yes it is. Ford Australia. And ford europe (formerly ford UK) were closed during the american bailouts in a move ford branded "the one ford plan" where they retreated back into the USA.
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Well 2bh when the Mustang was first launched here (UK) the first round of imported cars sold out incredibly quickly.
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>>14345634

Its not huge premiums, the american companies don't mark there cars up from factory nearly as much as bmw, merc and audi does.Meaning when dealing with exporting to foreign markets they loss money on the cars or break even.

In the US they make slight profit, exporting they make none or loss money.
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>>14345641
There's no such thing as displacement tax in the UK.
Vehicle excise duty is based on how many Kgs of CO2 the engine produces a year.

I pay the same tax on a 1.6L Mazda as it would cost to tax the 2.3 ecoboost.
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>>14345640

The ecoboost is overpriced there.
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>>14345649
The Mustang is selling pretty well in the UK right now afaik
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>>14345641
I guess the reason they choose the UK over the mainland for the Stang is because our tax is emissions-based, rather than displacement-base.

That and that the GM Australian muscle has a dedicated enough following to justify keeping selling it here for the last decade.
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>>14345437
http://www.ford.ie/BuildandPrice/AllNewMustang/GT

E64,000 OTR
Oh,and 2500 a year in annual tax
E1.20 a litre of petrol
And a good hard assfucking in insurance.
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>>14345645
top kek

yeah ford US just killed thousands of jobs and developed small consumer vehicles by themselves.

The "one ford plan" was about standardisation of production and models and also cost shifting. R&D and production of several independent models for national markets doesn't sound really profitable desu senpai.
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If the ecoboost came down to 26k I'd get one
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>>14345695
All of the Japanese manufacturers do it
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>>14345664
Lucky , in italy we pay according to how many HP/kw a car has , and if a car has >250 hp we pay 20 euRo more for EACH HP .
So basicly a rich faggot can buy a panamera or evoque and doesn t pay a lot , then a middle class buys a civic type R or a 370z AND HE PAYS . This country is fucked up
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>>14345670
I would imagine the Mustang will sell great in the UK, I just don't think it will be extremely profitable. For Ford, it's probably more about exposure than anything else
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>>14345496
anon from england here, he's talking utter bollocks the best you can get would be like a 328 if they even make them anymore. im debating this or saving 20k and getting an rr twingo for mad skids in the wet. our new car mark is over priced shit, used car market is one of the best and cheapist in the world tho
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>>14345664
>UK
>All of Europe

Half of the time you fuckers make it a point to tell everybody you're not European through some incredible amount of mental gymnastics
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>>14345720
M O N A R O
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>>14345634
See
>>14345625
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>>14345664
displacment tax for cars made before 2001. paying the same for a 1.6 as an imported 6.6v8 landbarge
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>>14345709
>Lucky

If you mean I'm lucky to get buttfucked less then maybe.

Vehicle tax based on emissions is a fucking scam.

I mean it's not like the government is taking all that money and building some giant machine that can reverse global warming, it's just giving it to immigrants and unemployed cunts.

Taxing based on emissions is just a way they can line their pockets with our money under the guise of saving the environment.
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>>14345707
That doesn't mean it's profitable for western companies that have a very similar global consumer base (at least for compacts and smaller). They also rebadge pretty much all of their JDM cars for the european or even the american market.
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>>14345695
See my original post g
>>14345623
Someone wanted the Capri back but it aimt happening because ford only make american cars now. No more escort, sierra, Capri. I don't even think they own cosworth anymore
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>>14345743
Isn't Italy the country where parking is accomplished by playing Bumper Cars
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So UK fags, I am curious now

When you buy a new car, you get an emissions tax right? What other, if any, taxes do they asses when you buy a car new? Is it the same when you buy used?

Are you also taxed on the car on a year basis? If yes, that do they tax you for?
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>>14345753
are you retarded or just fat?
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>>14345756
Cars a taxed every year based on how many kilograms of Co2 they produce in a year.

Yes it's pointless and yes it's a scam.
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>>14345763
Neither m8 I'm not american.

Speaking of fat retarded things didn't america get their own version of the Capri and it was god awful?
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David Cameron is trying to make it so only him and his rich banker friends can own fast cars.

>Oh shit someone is bringing out a cheap car with a lot of horsepower!
>Quick! Tax based on emissions, put insurance prices up, make petrol more expensive, put up more speed cameras!
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>>14345771
I think you meant "the sexiest version of the foxbody Mustang"
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>>14345709
Holy shit that is so fucked up, my condolences...
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>>14345771
Nah your level of retard is even higher than American; Russian or Australian maybe
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>>14345767
What determines how much a car produces in a year?? People drive differently.
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>>14345798
figures from the factory I guess?
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>>14345784
>best version of an american car is a bad bootleg of an English design.
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>Looking at one of these on finance.
>First payment of £5000
>£450 a month for 24 months
>"Optional" final payment of £17,000

But £5,00 + £450 for 24 months isn't enough to pay for the car?

It is with the "optional" payment but that's implying it's a choice. Why would I choose to pay £17k?
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>>14345808
I really don't care about what it does or does not look similar to, the Capri fox's headlights and grille are fantastic. If that car had the smaller front bumper and had some different wheels it would be perfection.
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>>14345808
That just shows you how bad the Americans are at designing cars.
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>>14345807
I'm saying a year is a weird time to measure that. Why not per hour?
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>>14345767
How is it pointless? It's painfully obvious they want to discourage high-polluting vehicles, because muh environment
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>>14345437
>mfw when kids think bmw is some kind of luxury brand
>mfw when bmw is the most unreliable of European cars
>mfw they have just as much cheap plastic in their interiors as ford
>mfw you pay 20K more for your joke of a car

Stay mad children, bmw is in for a rough decade if they don't stop price gouging.
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>brit
>considering buying a mustang
>ever
>when elises and caterhams exist

this thread is sickening
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>>14345825
youre looking at leases you mongoloid.
also 5k + (450x24) = 15800
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>>14345437
moar like it weights 34k pounds, amirite? amirite?
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>>14346008
Because time and time again it's been proven that it doesn't work and just makes people poorer.

For example placing sin taxes on alcohol doesn't stop alcoholics drinking it, it just makes them poorer for doing so.

And much like sin taxes punish moderate users of alcohol, emissions taxes punish normal people who are 0.0000000000000000000001% of the problem when businesses pollute like it's going out of fashion.

I mean why should I pay emissions tax when China builds a coal powerstation every week? Who's contributing more to global warming?
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>>14346039
Someone's gotta pay for Ahmed and Mohammad.
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>>14345437
>annual road tax

Lol
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>>14346049
So tax the rich more.

The lower middle class which I'm a member of is the worst off class in Britain. We're too wealthy for state handouts but we're too poor to not be effected by high taxation on everything.
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>>14345707
That's because Japan has market protection cranked to the max.
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>>14346282
that is bullshit.
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>>14346060
The meme where politicians alternate between welfare and corporate welfare as a way to help "the people" is awful, they squeeze the middle fiercely.

In much of America, if a single mother makes less than 70k, but more than 29, she's worse off than if she didn't work at all.

Benefit cliffs are garbage.
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>>14346308
A girl I know at work makes £1800 a month and spends £1000 a month on child care. If she was unemployed she could get free childcare.
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>>14346290
You are literally wrong. With the exception of imports that occur as part of an agreement negotiated with the government (Toyota Cavalier et al) or gray market imports (ie personally owned shit), Japan's import process costs approximately half the fair value of the car. Even though there is no clear reason why that is.

Sure, it's not 100% direct tax, but when GM's agreement with Tokyo expired, these indirect costs increased the sell price of these cars by almost 50%.

Which is why Japan went from buying 46,000 GM cars per year to 1400 between 1996 and 2006.

The big German luxury car makers all have import agreements similar to mid 90s GM.
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>>14346319
In 1955, 80% of the world's wealth was controlled by people under 50.
In 2015, 90% of the world's wealth was controlled by people over 70.

Of course the worker suffers when the retiree controls all the wealth.

War against the olds when?
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>>14345488
At least britbongs don't get raped *all the time*, comparatively.

Being a dutchfag is even worse; the taxman rapes you at the stealership (bpm, a Mustang carries a tax of more than 100%), he rapes you every quarter of the year (road tax based on weight), he rapes you on insurance (insurance is also taxed), and he rapes you at the pump (second most expensive gas in the world!).

And ironically it doesn't reduce CO2 emissions at all because it turns out that it keeps a lot of old Golfs, Polos and Corsas on the road which spew out a lot more CO2. We're far behind on the rest of the world. As far as it matters.

But then again all those taxes are just a way to rape the Dutch population. Effective tax pressure of 92%.
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>>14345709
Didn't Italy still have (gas) taxes to pay for long gone wars like World War II, the Suez Crisis, etc?
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>>14346308
>>14346319
It's called the welfare trap. Along with tax loopholes that haven't been closed for years, it's the single biggest thing that's killing the middle class.

Trump should become president of the world.
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>>14346377
Why is it that Americans are the only ones that complain about Japan being protectionist when every European brand sells in Japan no problem?

Also, there is no import duty on cars being imported into Japan

I've hear quite alot of protectionism from the American side however

>Which is why Japan went from buying 46,000 GM cars per year to 1400 between 1996 and 2006.

Does that include Isuzu which is a GM brand?
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>>14345437
>I'm a poorfag jewro with shit taste and regret my living situation: The Post.
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>>14345623
You're an idiot.

Ford is literally the only Big Three American manufacturer that did NOT receive a bailout, retard.
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>>14345614
The WRX looks to be closer than the 370Z, which is 10K less than the Mustang according to your own picture.
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>>14345767
>>14345756
No, your annual road tax is calculated based on emissions, but only if the car is registered after 2001.
If it's registered before 2001, there's a fixed rate based on engine size, 145 quid for under 1.5 and 230 quid for anything over 1.5

That's literally it, there's no separate "emission tax" or anything like that, the road tax is all you have to pay.
If your car was made before 1975, there's no road tax at all.
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>>14345532
you compared a laptop to chocolate you're literally done kiddo
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>>14346495
>>14346377

>REEEE how dare those evil Japanese protect their own markets and ensure a continued base of production? It would be much better and cheaper for everyone involved if they outsourced everything to China, replaced 30% of their population with strikebreakers - uh, er, I mean, helpful and diverse immigrants - from the mainland, and completely opened the borders. Only then can Japan be a vibrant and fair country playing by the great neoliberal truths!

kek, next you'll tell me Japan should be invaded in a bid to force the opening of markets. Those damn racists.
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>>14345692
gwan irelin
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>>14346434
Dutchfag here. At least the used car market is okay, but there's hardly any car culture except for riced Golfs/Tigras.
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>>14345549

Underrated post.

It's half full of plastic, or half empty if you want to be optimistic about your extra ///M powered expenses.
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>>14347175

mfw dutchfag with a riced out mazda 626, i feel so unique haha
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>>14347328
I'm personally looking at things like 5cyl Audis, MX-3/MX-6s, 406 Coupes and Fiat Coupes. Prices don't even seem too crazy on those.
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>>14345508
The premium mustangs actually have a very nice interior.
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>>14347175
Used market consists mostly of imported cars from Germany (with the occasional tampered odometer) because the government ruined the free market.
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>>14346495
>Does that include Isuzu which is a GM brand?
It only includes foreign production GM products. So a Indonesian made DMAX? Yes. A rehashed Daihatsu? No.

Also Volkswagen and the German luxury cars do decent, but PSA does GM tier despite the Nissan connection, Renault does so poorly they don't have a single importing dealer franchise, and moving past Europe, what about Hyundai and Kia?
>>14347084
There is nothing wrong with a little import obstructionism, the US could sure use it applied a little more consistently, but arguing that an automaker should have a vast quantity of home market specific oddballs just because it is profitable for Japanese manufactures in Japan is silly because it must be acknowledged that Japan has a high cost of entry, even if that cost of entry isn't directly a tariff.
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>>14345774
keep being poor and blaming everyone else for you not being able to afford nice things.
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>>14345825
finance...why not live within ur means poorfag
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>>14346032
yeah cos there completly comparable...so practical
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>>14345437
m3 for same price...idiot. bmw commonest car on the road. idiot.


keep being poor. u clearly cant afford one, so why blame ford for your failures in life???

why dont people ever take self responsibility??
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>>14347935
English, motherfucker, do you speak it?
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>>14345437
>Fucking LOL nice price point Ford.
Seems the underage americunt cant into basic economics. Of course a car is going to be cheaper in its domestic market where millions are sold. Meanwhile it has to have a lot of work done to make it compliant in the UK, it needs to be shipped over there etc.
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>>14348475
clearly u dont as u cant read poorfag
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>>14348490


>americunt
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>>14347935
is this how yuropoors actually argue?
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>>14347012
I don't mean in price terms I mean that, as a fairly heavy, simple, powerful (by European standards) rwd sporting coupe from a non-premium brand, the Z is surely a far more natural rival for the Mustang than a rally-themed sport saloon or an image-conscious German executhingy.

Yet look at the prices. The Mustang needs to provide 10k more enjoyment than the Z to justify its price here. I know the Z's getting on a bit now, but that still seems a tall order.
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>>14348475
>posting in a yuro thread
>being mad that their english is bad
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>>14348490
>somebody bitching about mustang prices in yurostan
>must be an american
U wot cunt? Why the fuck would we care how much the serfs have to pay for american cars?
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>>14345437
Why don't they just do a Capri revival if they want a sports car for the European market.
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>>14347818
Maybe.. Just maybe American brands are doing so poorly in Japan because they don't have any product that Japanese consumers want to buy?
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>>14348666
I'm a eurofag myself and the way he speaks isnt even Germany English tier. That's some Albanian talk right there.
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They have also done their first shipment of these to Australia back in december 2015, they sold out faster than anywhere else in the world of the stock they had available, and have 4000 on preorder. They are selling them for $60k AUS which is about the same price as that.

And then fucking scalpers have bought the first shipment and are reselling at $90k AUS.
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>>14345469
Well guess what, other cars aren't Ford Mustangs.
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>>14348730
Not him, but isn't that what "only diehard fans" means?
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>>14348718
>And then fucking scalpers have bought the first shipment and are reselling at $90k AUS.
>people are dumb enough to buy them at that price
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>>14345508
>chinese gearbox
Citation needed
>plastic interior
As opposed to what? plastic that looks like leather?

I would rather have an 06 Ford Taurus than most of the cars of comparable price that are in the UK, and I really hate old Tauruses.
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>>14348738
Maybe BMWs are stale, and some UK dude has always wanted a Mustang and a pistol in his pocket. the UK will fuck you if you have a plastic picnic knife in your pocket, so he's willing to go halfway and spend some money for a stylish car.

Give it like 4 years and the price will go down. It's only expensive because it's a novelty right now. They're seeing how many people REEEALY want it.
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>>14345508
>Chinese gearbox
In regards to which? The manual is a Tremec and the auto is an Aisin Warner trans and they're made in either Japan or North Carolina
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>>14345798
>>14345930
anon is shit at explaining shit

it's charged per year, based on grams of CO2 emitted per km (dunno at what speed or whatever), pic related. I'm in band J as it happens.

this only applies to cars registered from 1 March 2001. older cars are taxed according to engine size, <=1549cc is £145/year and >1549cc is £230/year.
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>>14345437
lol what???

Replacing the old E92-generation M3 saloon and coupe with two separate model lines, they will go on sale in the UK in June 2014, priced marginally higher than before, starting at £56,175 for the M3,

http://www.bmw.co.uk/vc/ncc/xhtml/start/startWithConfigUrl.faces;jsessionid=5599106e7600680671345ed11ff8.2?country=GB&market=GB&productType=1&brand=BM&locale=en_GB&name=k3c5l8v1#MODEL_ENGINE
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>>14348755
Yeah, so people who want a Mustang because nothing else will do. So diehards.

Of course things would look different if the prices dropped, like you say, but it hasn't yet.
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>>14348899
I'm not saying they're diehards.
Is it so foreign to you that some people like cars for what they look like or are you a complete cretin?
The mustang was modeled after the P-51.
'Murica. Heil Hitler.
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