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What is the most unreliable, hard to work on, pain in the ass, money pit car out there? I am looking for a challenge. Something extremely difficult and prone to frequently breaking down.
Pic not related, just a shitty Miata I saw in a parking lot.
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R35
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A BMW equipped with an N42B18 engine.
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>>14337999
Probably something chrysler
Alternatively, for hard to work on, front wheel drive V8 cadillacs kek
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Alfa
Any
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>>14338034
meh.. aside from the valvetronic you wont be fixing much on it
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Don't get an old mopar, mopar shit is expensive
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VAG
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hondur
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>>14338122
Yep ^
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>>14338124
That's just plain not true
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b5 s4
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>>14338132
b-but memes
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Delorean

/thread
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Tesla
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>>14337999
Nothing more expensive than a cheap Rolls Royce.
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step-up nigga
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>>14337999
>hoonigan
lol
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Twin turbo Z32 300zx or GTO vr4
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3000gt vr4
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>>14337999
J30 infniti from the 90s.
Any v12 jag from the late 80's early 90's
VW phaeton
Porsche 944 turbo
Lotus esprit
That is a pretty good range of shit cars you can have fun fixing.
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>>14338644
I have owned several z32 turbos. They don't break down that much. Once you have the 120k stuff done it's pretty reliable (until you boost the fuck out of it). engine bay is a bit tough to work IN but it's not super unreliable.

The vr4 though, yeah have fun OP. Also a PT cruiser.
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>>14337999
Not unreliable or hard to work on but if you want a vehicle with absolutely impossible to find parts, I highly recommend an old cornbinder pick-up. Get to travel the country looking for a fucking exhaust manifold.
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>>14338644
my old roommate had a vr-4 and was pretty proud of it. but he *did* let slip once that he'd spend 10K in repairs.
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>>14338665
>J30 infniti from the 90s.
lolno

I had V8 Leopard and that was reliable as fuck.
Took everything I threw at it until some bitch tboned me at an intersection
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>>14338626

I don't think RR are particularly hard to work on, the parts are just extortionate, if you can find them.

Anything reasonably modern and French suits your bill perfectly, Laguna II springs to mind. They were so bad some main dealers stopped taking them in as trade ins at one point.

Alfa Romeo 166?

>>14338018

Is a good call, these things never work properly.
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>>14337999
Any Citroën. Especially with their pneumatic suspension.
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Also, V12 Jaguar XJS. They are bastards.
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>>14337999
Anything British
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>>14337999
Maserati Biturbo
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>>14338733

I disagree, Jaguar S types and XJ are pretty good mechanically and not that bad to work on. Certainly no worse than a German equivalent.

The X Type can be a pain but even then they aren't bad.

Probably helps that we have an abundance of cheap parts here though.
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>>14338725

lel what

Don't talk out of your ass son.

My family has had Citroens since the Traction Avant. Excluding the oddball, most have been pretty reliable. Pneumatic suspension is reliable AF. You only have to take care to recharge the spheres at the recommended intervals, something most fucktards fail to do.

The engines are overdimensioned for the power they deliver and are reliable as fuck too.

Their only downside is cooling, which is rather spot on for the engine requirements which with age shows more and more, so you either have to oversize it or stick to the maintenance plan stricly.

Don't talk about what you know jack shit about.
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>>14337999

Any Alfa with a boxer engine.

Range Rover with VM engines. Albeit they have plenty of space to work on.
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>>14338760

Agreed, the old ones are good.

New ones are pretty shite though.
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>>14337999
>4L_2domCcCn.jpg
Is that how your camera sequentially names pictures, or is this post and the complex question posed within it just simply psychological sabotage for the miata ?
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>>14338716
yeah ignore that I meant I 30. My bay. The ones from early-mid 90's were garbage.
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>>14338770

New ones are the same shit.

We've been thorugh three C5's, one being mine, and their only problems were interior plastics flaking or those small lids and shit breaking.

My brothers had a instrument panel failure, and that was the most expensive repair any one of those cars had.

Most problems are caused by people, not by the cars inherently.
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80's BMW V12

A motorcycle from the 70's.
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>>14338009
Yeah, I've heard these are pretty bad even by VW standards. Early adoption penalty, weren't the W engines brand new at the time?

Though, 80s Jaguars might be worse.
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Maserati Biturbo
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>>14338843

Think the engines themselves are generally ok, but getting access to various parts can be a nightmare.

As usual, the automatic gearboxes are hopeless and cost a fortune to put right because they are apparently "sealed for life" so no one changes the ATF.
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>>14337999
3000GT
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>>14338644
Z32 are just difficult to work with, but theyre surprisingly reliable for a 90s TT car.
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>>14338831
>A motorcycle from the 70's.

>babies first carb
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>>14338865
I've heard that the W8 engines like to eat cam gears after a certain number of miles, and it's one of those expensive "time bomb" repairs that people unload the cars to avoid paying for.
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good luck when the excessive engine bay heat literally makes your 300zx tt wiring harness decompose. As far as money pit goes, try buying a used maserati quattroporte
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>>14338918
I have NEVER seen a TT wiring harness "decompose". I've seen cracked ones, yes, but the car is fucking 27 years old. This is nothing weird for any car that old. Stop confusing unreliable with "shit will eventually need replacing because it's a fucking car."
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A Triumph Stag
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Anything Ford
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>>14337999
Audi s4 or TT. Tbqh anything Audi but you might as well have fun with it. Just look for the most modern car you can find for as cheap as possible
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>>14338899
That, and lso having to refresh literally everything the moment you get it to avoid having to fix 1-2 little things every week for the next year.

A friend of mine got a 78 KZ550 as his first bike against my advice, and who do you think he called 5 times over the next two month with
>my speedometer doesn't work now
>my turn signals don't work now
>my brakes feel different than yesterday
>my headlight won't turn on now
>the engine is clicking is that bad?
>I can't rev over 4k without it dying what's that mean?
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>>14337999

I wouldn't recommend a small block Ramcharger. It's not as retarded as a Jetta, but given that no Ramcharger is in ideal condition, they are endless nightmares. Literally a problem on wheels.
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>>14337999
An old, cheap Toyota with the number of previous owners in double digits is the most unreliable car one can get.
Now that's real necromancy.
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>>14339489
>mark II
>unreliable
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>>14339550
It is when abused by fellow vodka niggers

Also there are unreliable 'Yota engines, like
1G-FE Beams or their first foray into direct injection - 3S-FSE and 1JZ-FSE
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>>14338626
Most 350 parts fit in RR
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>>14339589
Assuming you are a Russian, are Chaser and Mark II prices going up because of the new import tariffs?
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>>14339734
It has been virtually impossible to import them since 2007 due to raised tariffs, which were tied to Euro exchange rate for some reason. Which means nowadays only 1.5 and less displacement cars are viable for import.

That's discounting eco-bullshit, which the meme cars can't pass anymore.

The Tourer V's prices froze around $6000-$10000 USD, while ruble turns to rubble by the day.
That's the better ones around, the rest of them are body filler golems of deferred maintenance.

Fuck Putin. Fuck Lada.
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>>14339895
>Fuck Putin. Fuck Lada.

I read somewhere he has a large sum of AвтoBAЗ stocks, which gives a little perspective.
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>>14339589
>1G-FE Beams or their first foray into direct injection - 3S-FSE and 1JZ-FSE

Literally none of those engines are unreliable
FSE engine are much tanks from my dealing with them. They are way better than the Mitsubishi DI engines from the same era

Also the 1G-FE Beams is simple as all fuck and bulletproof. Slow sure, but those things are taxis in my country and I've never come across any complaints of them
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A 6.0L powerstroke in a f250 & f350 , have to lift cab from frame to do most engine work and head gaskets, blow like they are going out of style ruining turbo, oil coolers etc etc
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>>14339937
>Beams
Not as simple as the ones from the '80s

>D-4
JZ is reliable because JZ. 3S is slightly worse.
Fuel pumps are the first thing to go.
As every DI engine, prone to knocking on third world gas.

Anything is better than Mitsu, that's for sure.
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>>14338773
Yes that is camera alright
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>>14338660
this you have to dissasemble B,C,D,E,F, to get to A, I got one as my first car and thought i'd be able to mod it but no all ive been able to do is maintenance because shit keeps breaking down
pic related my car
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>>14338673
Pt cruisers aren't that unreliable unless you literally do zero maintenance and they aren't really hard to work on either....just kinda shitty to time...
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335i without using a dealer
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This is what a timing belt change on a POS f̶̶e̶̶r̶̶r̶̶a̶̶r̶̶i̶ Fiat Mondial looks like
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Saturn l300/lw300

Volvo xc90

Chevy Colorado 4cyl (previous gen)

Not that hardest or most expensive but definitely worthy contenders
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>>14338874
I have two
They're horrible
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>>14341616
What the fuck lol
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>>14341616

I don't understand why you guys consider stuff like this difficult. It really isn't. Only if you don't have the proper tools. Otherwise it's not that much of a hassle.

Maybe stop trying to work on your cars outside on a dirt road with a stanley socket wrench set you got from walmart.
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You want unreliable. Then you need a Porsche 928. This cars old as fuck. This car is complicated as fuck. This car doesn't have alot of parts available, so you're gonna have to fab stuff. Or if you don't wanna fab you can contact Porsche for a stupid amount of money.
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>>14341723
I get where you're coming from, but in this case the proper tool is a fully automated lift. If you don't have that, you can fuck right off and most DIYlers don't have one.
I know it's the same for the 355 as the Mondial, but the former would make up for it by offering a special driving experience while a Mondial offers BRZ power and a Fiat Panda interior.
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>>14337999
OP, get a Land Rover LH4. Get a stock one and try installing a custom radio/audio player in it.

My friend fucking got one and a guy wanted more than 1k to custom mount one in. And 2000's Land Rover and Jaguar are utter shit.
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>>14341747
>most DIYers

aren't driving a FUCKING FERRARI
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>>14341727
most unreliable pieces of shit ever made

>most porsches
>all vw's
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>>14338633
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>>14337999
high mileage jaguar or BMW
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>>14337999
Maserati Biturbo.
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>>14337999

'97-02 Ford Escort sedan/wagon with the automatic. Or an early Focus with the 2.0L SPI engine and automatic.

The 2.0L SPI engine is bar-none one of the worst motors designed by Ford. It's got more NVH than a blender full of gravel, it's hard to work on, and unless it has an aftermarket upgraded cylinder head you can make one literally drop a valve seat on command by feeding Seafoam into the intake. It's also got only 110hp and 125 ft/lbs of torque.
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>>14340727
is it a VR4?
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>>14342174
because even the otherwise affordable ones, like the one previously mentioned, is one of
>>14337999
>the most unreliable, hard to work on, pain in the ass, money pit car out there
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Literally anything European.
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Mini Cooper
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>>14338683
windshields are also fucking hard to find
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jeep cj or pre 91 yj
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LS
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>>14338760
Reliable enough, sure. If the hydraulics go though, have fun fixing that. I know someone who took an entire XM apart to fix that stuff.
The sheer amount of comfy is worth it though.
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>>14337999
Mitsubishi 3000gt vr-4
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this
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>>14344226
My vote was this.

And as a bonus it's a really cool car when it's running
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>>14341616
This is what a turbo replacement looks like on a Range Rover
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>>14338733
>>14338750
here's the disclaimer...
Anything British with Lucas electrics. Lucas coordinated with demons when designing their components and filled them with imps and other nasties.
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>>14343787
Go fuck yourself, affordable easily servicable supercars aren't a basic right.
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>>14344530
>355, Mondial etc
>supercars

>supercars must be unreliable
The King is naked!
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>>14344351
jezus christ that's horrifying, fucking engineers these days.
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>>14344530
>Mondial
>supercar
It's literally slower than a Slowobaru.
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>>14338817

And that's exactly why people make fun of the interiors. I had an S-10 from that era that could pop panels out of the dash if it hooked good.
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>>14338929

Cracked wiring from excessive heat is not a long-term maintenance item, it's a fucking problem.
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>>14341723

I priced out a waterpump job for a 512 once. It was like $3600 in parts, but that was for every part needed for the whole job, to do it right.
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>>14341648
I didn't think saturns were all that bad. I had an XC90, it was pretty reliable also. Parents just bought a new one this year.
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>>14344709
>could pop panels out of the dash if it hooked
That's actually kinda awesome.

But that anon probably meant Citroen C5, not the 'Vette.
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>>14341727
I like that.
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>>14343540

Hey now, I love those little things. Take a 2nd gen with a 1.9 and put on your hated 2.0 SPI head and you have less horsepower than stock for not as much work as you'd think. Then build a turbo setup for it, and you have a very fun motor.
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>>14344742

Shit, my bad. I've never seen a Citroen in person.
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>>14338760
C5 from 2008? I've heard that they don't have big failures, but small problems in the electrical compartment, is that true?

Thinking on buying one gased for myself
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>>14338725
Hydropneumatic suspension is very reliable if you maintain it well.

>>14338760
yup. Though the brand has gone downhill because of PSA not knowing where they should position Peugeot and Citroen.

>>14339589
Any car gets unreliable in Russia. Russian gas is shit quality.

>>14344837
French cars and electrical components have always been an unlucky combination; notably Renault.
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>You can throw a handful of pocket change into the engine bay and never hear a penny hit the ground.
Vacuum tubes are the best!
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>>14343696
nah N/A
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>>14345754

A Z32 is essentially a series of tubes?
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>>14338750
The fuck? The S type was fucking trash. A local import stealership sweet talked my dad into buying one used with <1k on the odo. The fucking transmission died at 10k.
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>>14337999
Those old MGs are supposed to be a nighmare to keep on the road. Anything british or high luxury, also Volkswagens are allegedly a bitch to work on, not sure about their reliability.
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>>14337999
RX-8.

Treat it like a piston for 5000 miles before you start taking care of it.

Hard mode: NO ENGINE REBUILDS
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>>14344351
>to remove the patient's appendix, we're first going to have to pull out all his bones
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