Pic related. I want to get a Challenger, but I can't help but feel i'm settling for something less. Would a car from the 70s be something I can daily?
And honestly, I don't feel too bad about it. Cars from that era were pretty dangerous when you're a pedestrian.
Now if only they started making cars again that don't look angry all the time.
depends how you mean bloated
the size it's mostly to do with the trend towards big wheels
the lack of sharp edges and certain dimensions is pedestrian safety
the fat looking sides is partially a styling choice but sides do need to be deep for side impact absorption (can be hidden, just make it smaller inside)
there's no technical reason why the new miata couldn't have looked like a scaled down version of the new challenger
>the size it's mostly to do with the trend towards big wheels
sorry slightly misworded there but certain proportions will be determined by the wheels
as for the challenger it was always gonna be a big car
it's what it's supposed to be.
>Cars from that era were pretty dangerous when you're a pedestrian.
Good, maybe people should learn that strolling in the middle of a road is not the best idea they had in their short life.
Look, man, I'm a huge Mopar guy. I always dreamed of owning a Vanishing Point Challenger, but could never find a proper 70 with the Hemi. I looked into the new ones and wound up buying a '12 R/T.
I regret nothing. It's a beautiful car, even if it isn't as charming as the classic. It's more comfortable and economical than a real big block Muscle car from the Golden Era. It isn't a queer Mustang or hillbilly Camaro.
It's faster than bench racers make it sound and better than pretty much every 2 + 2 Coupe on the market in terms of comfort level. It's not perfect, but it improves on the idea of the classic Challenger being almost a luxury car. It's a 60k, at most, fire breathing, honest to god monster than will give you everything you've ever wanted and more.
Test drive one. It'll sell itself.
>lel they should just look both ways!
>i can't imagine any scenario where it isn't the pedestrians fault at all
I prefer older styling to, but what you're basically saying is: "i want cars to be super cool looking, and i want people to die for it." Regulatory agencies don't give a shit about cool cars.
if the proportions remain the same you get this effect
see new mini new beetle and new 500
In the case of pony cars they tend to be wider and lower than modern equivalents
and aside from what others have said there is a standard hight for head lights
Right, that's your opinion. Now an actual auto enthusiast appreciates a classic. They know that technology has improved making today's cars better and safer, but that doesn't matter, they appreciate the classics for what they are, and were.
None of this should matter to you, nobody considers shitbox Honda civics a classic anyway.
appreciating a car doesnt make it not shitty
its not an opinion its a fact that old cars are garbage
>that hypocrisy at the end
Im sure you appreciate your parents but they raised a faggot
see how it works
>if you enjoy something outside of aesthetics you just have horrible taste
I will live and die by older vehicles. But i am jelly of the idea that i will never have a solid steel, simple to work on old muscle car that matches the 500hp and 35mpg of my friends 2015 ss camaro.
but how are they not shit
with nothing to compare to you cant say anything is good or bad
old cars are worse than new ones in just about every way its always been like that
if old cars were good companies wouldnt bother making them better
I really really hope anyone in this thread saying "muh angles, having muh dangerous car is worth risking lifes, shitty a-pillars" dies in an horrific car accident because you fuckers would rather risk peoples life for driving a more squared vehicle. Im not saying destroy all old cars cause I also like classics but what im saying is shut the fuck up and understand why cars are going into the direction they are going. Its to protect YOU and everyone ARROUND YOU.
Fuck you, cunt. I don't want protection I want angles and chrome
The challenger is way better looking that the mustang or camaro.
Nah, I like power too. And not having catalytic converter's. And not having any emissions testing. And the mechanical simplicity. And the ride (seriously try riding in a Torsion Aire car, it's super comfy). And the fact old muscle will appreciate as new muscle plummets.
The sloppy steering. The 60's fuel economy. The 60's material and build quality. The constant need for maintenance. Old muscle cars are cool but they're only good when they get modern components in them.
>I like power
they have no power compared to modern cars
>I like destroying the planet
>the mechanical simplicity
who cares about that
>And the ride
old cars ride like shit and are awful to drive
>And the fact old muscle will appreciate as new muscle plummets.
thats because theyre now more collectors items than cars
looks like youre one of the people who dont like cars and just see investment
>If old cars were good companies wouldnt bother making them better
You realize there are things such as cafe laws, safety regulations, and such right? Hell, its going to be mandatory for a car in 2018 to have a backup camera, does that make a 17 without one shit? Is the 6.0 powerstroke better than the 7.3 because it made more torque? Look, I see where you are going with your argument: You are justifying your new shitbox by trashing anything older as shitty. I'll say a 60s barge is better than a Mitsubishi Mirage in every regard except fuel economy and it is true on an objective and subjective level. If you want to make a sweeping statement that new is better than old, that's fine but dont expect someone to believe the bullshit you are spewing.
>old cars ride like shit
that's just muscle cars. mostly only american cars have improved over the past decade
you cant say a current 911 has the steering and agility of a 996
you cant say a modern e class has the build quality of a w124.
german car quality as a whole has dropped like a stone in the past decade.
modern car service schedules might be less intensive but then the car is dead after a few years if you follow it.
modern steering is terrible compared to most comparable things in the 80s and 90s
>And the mechanical simplicity
I prefer reliability.
>oh but they're complicated so they must be unreliable!
Even if that was true, modern electric cars would beat the ever living fuck in reliability due to them being stupid simple.
your Cadillacs Buicks and Lincolns everyone acts like are great ride like shit
how the fuck can you like a completely disconnected floaty feeling
I have no experience with Citroen
that could be in some malaise era shitbox
I didn't know that 1966 was malaise era.
And ride quality and handling capability are not the same thing, though they can go hand in hand. Most new performance cars sacrifice quite a bit of ride quality for handling ie any new pony car or sports car.
Anyone calling older cars shit because they're older either
>a.) doesn't like cars period
>b.) has never had the pleasure of driving/daily driving an older car
There is clearly something in and of older vehicles that newer models just can't ever capture fully.
Older cars tend to be more lightweight.
Car manufacturers seem to have an obsession with continually enlarging the last model, until it's the same size of the model up (a modern 3 series is now larger than an old 5 series), then introduce a smaller model, and the cycle continues.
And they always manage to increase the weight in the process. What was the last time BMW made a sub-1000kg car?