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J U S T
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>electric performance cars
Sign me up, that shit is cool
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>crossover nissan Z
>crossover evo

no way you are making this shit up

holy shit people are getting ultracucked
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>>14321366
Big deal, they were making performance SUVs long before the Lancer Evo.
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>>14321366

>he doesn't want a PejEvo reboot
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>>14321424

Paj*

fuck
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>>14321424
>>14321431

lets be honest nothing that cool will come from this

It'll be some shitbox FWD CUV with a 0-60 in a blistering 8 seconds and a turning circle of the moon. Moms who date prisoners or victims of domestic violence will like it though

>"performance" crossovers
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>>14321424
We both know that's not happening.
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>>14321458
Fwd isn't a downside
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>>14321385
>SUV
>Performance
kek
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>>14321424
More like pajeetEvo
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>>14321476
oh you
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>>14321476
It does if you're known for your AWD prowess in rally racing.
By default FWD cars are at a big disadvantage because you're asking the tires to do 3 things. That's not to say I don't like FWD cars or that they're aren't some awesome cars using that set up.
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>>14321458
This, everybody going "AW YEAH NEW PAJERO" is going to be slapped in the face with a useless crossover that maybe wears the name as an insult to injury.
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>>14321504
>kicks the shit out of the 959
>not performance
kek
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>>14321519
>they're
*there

Hopefully I made my point.
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>>14321520
No one thinks this is going to be the new Pajero, the Pajero is not a crossover.
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>>14321523
no one cares about poopche.
SUV sucks, deal with it
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>>14321533
Just like the Z wasn't, right?
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>>14321549
Right. They already have two crossovers, the RVR and the Outlander. Absolutely zero reason or signal that they would also make the Pajero a crossover.
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>>14321520
Similar shit was done by italian Lancia with the Delta. Basically they used the name just for selling purpose.
>tfw the former was a AWD rally legend
>tfw the latter is a "DeLuxe" FWD shitbox

Hope won't happen the same to Paj
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>>14321623
The Delta was always a shitbox
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>>14321641
mmh... not exactly. It wasn't the best car ever made but its mechanism "is" tough. Its 2L is still used by many mechanics as base for tuning
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>>14321383
>7 more years to import a gc8
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>>14321852
>he has to wait 25 years to import 4 wheels and some steel
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>>14321940
l-land of the free
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>>14321852
>buy 2.5RS
>STI conversion
>replica flares
>You won't ever have to get it inspected, you can run without a cat if you want, you can fill it up for incredibly cheap compared to almost anywhere in the world, and you can drive it on great roads

Oh boo fucking hoo
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>>14321718
I didn't mean shitbox as in a bad car, I meant as a cheap car for commuting. They weren't all HFs or S4s.
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>>14321523
>literal hyper car vs truck on an off road course
I wonder who will win...
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So, Outlander PHEV EVO when?
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>>14321971
>buy 2.5RS
>$8,000 FIRM NO LOWBALLERS JUST MINOR RUST CAN BE FIXED NEED WHOLE QUARTER PANELS I KNOW WHAT I GOT PLEASE IGNORE WRX STI TURBO FAST IMPREZA RALLY SOLBERG EVO EVOLUTION

>Meanwhile in Canada/AUS/NZ/Japan people are getting bone stock mint GC8 WRX STis for $6000-9000, with $8-9000 getting you ver5/6 Type R or RAs.
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>>14322766

a 1st gen WRX is often $2000 in Canada. One worth driving will be $4k~ though.

there's no point in buying the STI unless you also have a different winter shitbox
>buy STI
>it rusts out in 3 years because grorious90sJapsteel+Canada
>?????
>failure
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>>14322766
>massive hyperbole
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>>14322766
Eh, not really. Ausfalians still charge $8-10k for a GC8 STI and that's for one that's been driven half away across the country.

Besides, you guys have all those cheap ass American classics. I think it's only fair we get cheap Skylines and Supras.
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>>14322802
>hyperbole

2.5RSs are retarded expensive for what they are, doubly so if you live in a snow state. And you're still dealing with a rusty fucking car if you live anywhere it snows (because its a 2.5RS, none of those cars were left garaged when it snowed out).

Subaru Tax is real. 02-03 WRXs are still fucking $5000-8000 cars even though they're almost 14 years old, a lot of them now with rusty 1/4s.

>>14322793
>>14322814
At least you have the option. $6-10k there really isn't anything sold here that's quicker than a late 90s Evo/STi. Maybe the US E36 M3 (which was still a very good car) or a Cobalt SS Turbo.

Cheap American Classics aren't very good at the whole handling part, and the "cool" ones aren't cheap (even the 80s Fox 5.0s and IROCs are going up now that the people who had them "new" are in their 50s).
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>>14322872
>Subaru Tax is real
Yup! It's fuckin' dumb. I'm just glad I'm on the good side of it
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>>14322872

In a straight line, an LS1 F-body will fucking trash either of the things you listed

On a road course it might be a bit more difficult to find a car that would beat them for $10k, but I imagine an AP1 S2000 would at least be close enough to catching them.

Here is a very short list of potential competitors under $10k
>300ZX TT
>3000GT VR4/Stealth TT
>C4 Corvette
>Maybe a C5 Corvette if you can find one
>MR2 Turbo
>2nd gen DSM with some sick mawdzzzz
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>>14322959
I think the issue isn't that LS1 F-bodies handle badly, but more that they aren't very communicative.
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>>14322959
While this post is correct (and an AP1 makes FAR more sense on any track than any Subaru)..

I will tear apart each of the cars listed and why they don't compare to an Impreza/Evo

>300ZX TT
Stupid overpriced too for what you get.. not even fast, nor can you easily find parts nowadays. Hell to work on as well from personal experience.
>3000GT VR4/Stealth TT
It won't ever leave the driveway. Again, personal experience
>C4 Corvette
Worst of the cars listed here. Like.. hardly anything redeeming about it
>Maybe a C5 Corvette if you can find one
Lots of C5s. Great value for a fun and fast car... however it does all those things and lacks practicality of what many people want.. which is to drive their toy everyday.
>MR2 Turbo
Solid choice. Takes aspects of both the 300zx (not much aftermarket support) and the C5 (not practical). A bit overpriced, but I think you get more out of it than the rest of the choices.. so it's a bit called for.
>2nd gen DSM with some sick mawdzzzz
This is just a poverty way of saying you wish you had a Subaru.

The Subaru does everything well. Simple as that. That's why they are so fucking overpriced.
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>>14321366
Mazda is the only purist one left!
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>>14322959
>>14322959
>In a straight line, an LS1 F-body will fucking trash either of the things you listed

Yeah...good luck; Car & Driver actually got the Evo VI to do the 1/4 in 13.9 and the 22B in 13.5 seconds. This was back in the late 90s when the only experience with powerful AWD cars were DSMs, so you bet they were absolute dogshit at launching them.

Best Motoring 0-400 meter times were closer to low 13s-high 12s with more experience/willingness to nuke the driveline. Remember, what makes them magical is that they're 270-300whp cars in 2700-2900lb tin can shells with retard-short gearing and AWD. The Evo 8/9 we got was slower than the older, lighter Evo 5/6s.

E36 M3/Cobalt SS Turbo sure, but those are probably the only cars that can approach the older Evos/STis in handling for the same amount. The M3s especially have race experience especially.

>>14322985
Pretty much all correct.

The C5 Corvette is the closest, and its nowhere nearly as practical as a car based off of a station wagon economy car for Japanese grandmothers.

The DSM can't turn for shit but will make more power than the STis without a doubt way easier.
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>>14322979
They really don't, they just rely on sheer grip to corner.

The problem with a lot of American cars is that they're not confidence inspiring because of their lack of communication. Its why cars like the FRS/BRZ, RX8, Miatas, 1990s Hondas, and BMW 3-Series are seen as cars that handle well.

Their raw numbers might be lower than a car like the F-Body (which has 275 wide summer tires on all four corners), but its easier for a average joe to drive one of those fast than a F-Body because you can tell what the front wheels are doing through its feedback/kickback on the steering wheel, you can feel close to the limits of traction through the seat how the car's responding, you can manipulate the car easily mid-corner, and if you go into a corner too hot you can usually save it without the car "biting" back (like a MR2).

The F-Body's weight (3300-3500lbs) isn't helpful either, nor is their floppy chassis and shitty rear suspension. You can fix the rear suspension but the car still feels "dead" like you need to seriously go fast to feel any sensation of speed. There was a tripfag on /o/ that had a WS6 with a bunch of Strano parts thrown at it (Bilsteins, Watts Link, etc). Got rid of it for a NA Miata on coilovers.
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>>14323163
I wonder what the deal is with the F-body then, I know exactly how terrible my foxbody corners. How does that feeling get lost coming back to the driver? I can feel my rear axle shifting left and right (fucking gr8 job engineers, no panhard bar or anything) , and I can feel my tires reaching their grip limit pretty well, and I can feel my lack of ackerman.
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>>14323042

>good luck

Who has that "Measuring the Competition" article screencap from Fast Fords and Muscle Mustangs where they were bitching about how the LS1 Camaro kept running 12.9 and decimating them despite it being hot out that day?

The LS1 Camaro is certainly faster and Best Motoring times are always ridiculous on AWD cars because they redline clutch dump that shit.
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>>14322941
As in the "look at how dumb I am for paying that tax" side?
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>>14322985

Are those cars really overpriced in America? I posted the GTO VR4, Z32, and SW20 because they're very often less than $5k here and thus significantly cheaper than the STI. Fuck me if they're over $10k in the US somehow.

Anyway if you need a fast sedan or wagon for $10,000 USD then you still have options, they just won't be as fast as the STI. They'll probably last longer and get better mileage though. I hesitate to suggest any other options because apparently I am very out of touch with how much shit costs south of the border.
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and to think I almost bought a mitsubishi lancer ralliart
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>>14323215
as in, the car on the left paid for my school this year, and the car on the right was bought as a shell for a grand 5 years ago and now I wouldn't sell it for less than 10 grand
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>>14322941

TREEQUINOX MAH NIGGA

sup dude
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>>14323226
VR4s are 6-8k depending on the condition, but again doesn't matter because it'll be broken ALL THE FUCKING TIME anyways. really unfortunate, because they drive like a dream when they work.

turbo 300zxs are still 8-10k for good examples

same goes for SW20s

Subarus cost the same amount (little more for nice ones) and do the jobs much better.
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>>14323242
waddup doe
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>>14323262

I thought you died or whatever

I take it you never followed through with that one st205 swap idea?
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>>14323281
Negative. Still on my laundry list though.

Was supposed to be a car for my little brother, but didn't show any interest. No use making a car for someone who has no interest.
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>>14323287

Yeah, fair enough. That makes me feel better about never sending you the manual scans or whatever the fuck I said I was going to do, though.

I also saw apex posting the other day but none of ye olde trips actually trip anymore.
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>>14321852
Got my gc8 wrx sti hatchwagon for $2700nzd too cheap mate guts forthe 8 more years
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>>14323346
I'm 99% sure Apex still trips.
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>>14323460

Maybe. I saw him post the FD3S with no trip on and he said he hadn't been around in a while.
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>>14321366
Well if we're going by the Mitsubishi track record they'll pump out an EV which skullfucks Tesla in performance, and leave that to sit while everyone catches up and eventually outstrips them.
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>>14322735
Oh yea, this totally couldn't handle a rally course. Completely unsuited for that. The Pajero also is not a truck.
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>>14325013
Damn, that looks sexy af.
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>>14325013
best P2D car EVER.
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>Next WRX will have an electric engine in addition to the gasoline engine
>Evo and Z are becoming crossovers


We've reached the end times for cars. Expect the next Mustang to be a truck.
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>>14325400
>next WRX will have hybrid drivetrain

what

please no
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>>14322941
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>>14325381
Too bad good looks couldn't help it beat a 90HP part time 4WD box in the Dakar :^)
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>>14321623

fwd isn't bad
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>>14325424
im glad you took time out of your life to do that
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>>14325430
woah anon, you should put a trigger warning on your post.
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>>14325430
nice b8
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>>14325560
Everything for the team!
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>>14325415
Why not? Hybrid doesn't mean slow anymore.
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>>14326828
>electronics in charge of power going to some of the wheels
Why would you want this? The whole fucking point of Subaru's AWD is that it's very mechanical. 3 diffs and a driveshaft. It's consistent, predictable.
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>>14325400
More like, expect the next Mustang to not have a V8 anymore and instead have an EcoBoost V6 as top-of-the-line engine.
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