does /o/ like hothatches?

Have you seen the focus RS circlejerks?
Of course

>>14315834
I really want to get a Fiesta ST, 2011 or 2010 in early 2017

How likely am I to find one for less than $10k CAD, preferably with less than 120km?

>>14315834
/o/ hates everything you like

American here, do you people actually LIKE turbo lag and torque steer?

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>Ford

>>14315857
Euros like it because they get cucked by their government out of anything with actual power. In the US it basically screams "mom/wife/girlfriend wouldn't let me buy a sports car"

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>>14315857
>>14315865
Im sorry the Honda Civic beat the Hellcat on the Nurburgring...

They're pretty cool

fiesta st's are amazing for its price, would've bought one if its not shilled every 2 mins.

>>14315857
people still argue like torque steer is this huge thing with all FWD

>tfw torque out the ass in my focus st

>>14315857
ST owner here, both are nearly nonexistent.

>>14315857
Being honest i kind of like torque steer..
It's the FWD equivalent to snap oversteer. Kind of exciting when your car tries to kill you.

>>14315834
No. I never liked hatchbacks to begin with, and trying to make them seem sporty gives me the same impression as >>14315865

>it basically screams "mom/wife/girlfriend wouldn't let me buy a sports car"

>>14315834
>does /o/ like hothatches?
no

>>14315843
this, this so much

>>14315865
this, this so much, if you have a hatch in the states you might as well buy some vagasil and tampons with it

>>14315834
Not shitty ones that Ford makes

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>>14315834
ew

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>>14316720
Ew

>>14316728
That rustbucket costs less than my iPhone.

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>>14316738
That's the point

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No I only like Luxobarges with big v8s

Nothing like flying over a speed bump at 60mph in total comfort.

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>>14315857
No, hence why my car is NA and set up to increase oversteer and reduce understeer from the factory. Based Renault.

>>14315834
Hot hatches make a lot of sense. Having something cheap to buy and run with that much space and practicality and, by all accounts in some cases, driving dynamics as near as dammit to bona fide sports cars, seems an ideal solution for an enthusiast living in the real world.

There isn't a single one, though, that leaves me thinking "oh my God, I want that thing in my life". Not one that keeps the practicality intact at least.

Perhaps I'd get that after driving one of the better ones but, I dunno, they just feel like cars you settle for because your lifestyle won't allow for the car you REALLY want.

Saying that, though, there are the de facto homologation specials required by the fwd Nurburgring wars. There's something a bit tasty about the Cupra 280sub8.

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excuse me while i post the best looking hothatch of all time

>>14318416
'muh nigga v8 benz or some other USA land yachts are the best driving machines

>>14318511
You reckon? Reviews I've read reckon the C30 T5's pretty sub-par.

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>>14318511
That's not a GTV6

>>14318438

I seem to remember this car from a thread - are you leek/stoke?

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>tfw no clio williams

>>14318511
Thats not even hot

It's just barely a warm hatch desu senpai

>>14318511
I already did
>>14316728

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>>14318511
>didn't even post the T5
does look good, but not the absolute best looking

>>14318563
same I5 engine as the RS focus

just needs a tune

and its sexy

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>Hotter

>>14318606
>same I5 engine as the RS focus
"No"

>>14318606
RS focus has a 4cyl dude

>>14318625
>mk2 RS didn't exist

murrikans,jpg

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>>14318625
The new one, yeah. Not the old two.

Second gen ST had an i5 as well, interestingly enough.

>>14318635
What an ugly piece of shit

>>14318635
The first RS had a 4 banger

>>14315884
> a track car beats a grand touring car

Am I supposed to be mad?

>>14318645
Mk2 Focus ST and RS have the t5

>>14318651
In what way in a hellcat a GT car?

>>14318645
So it did. My mistake.

>>14318657
I know

>>14318663
do you know dat warbbly turboback exhaust sound though'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06ALW9f0GZA

>>14318606
Has the same I5 engine as the ST225.
RS has a modified version of the S60R engine

>>14318660
In the way I have now defined it because I'm insecure

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>>14315834
Yes

>>14315850
There was no ST in 2010/2011

>>14315857
My turbo spools around 2k rpm. I dont even notice lag.

I'm looking to buy a civic si for max rice

So yes.

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Make way for best hot hatch.

>>14319768
I do like the Octavia Vrs. It's such a pragmatic choice, a car for people who enjoy driving for driving's sake, and want something that lets them do that as often as possible without any need to show off about it.

>>14316663
>implying Amerifats would buy something sensible
>Amerifats dd trucks but not for their jobs

Face it. Americans don't like cars smaller than full dive pickups or SUVs because they won't fit in much else.

>>14320006
>false dichotomy
>HURR MURRIKANNS FAT LOL
3/10

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>>14319789
It's also better than most of /o/'s current favorites.

>>14320056

Except that the Ford Fiesta is 197bhp.

Not only that, but a 435lb difference is HUGE. It may not mean that the Fiesta ST is faster in a straight line, but the actual behavior of the car and its response to inputs and the road itself is going to vastly improved due to being lighter weight.

The Octavia RS 230 will have the advantage of maybe a quieter and more stable ride at speed, but it's definitely not going to feel nearly as dynamic.

>>14320101
>197bhp
180, 197 on overboost (about 10 seconds worth at a time)

Thats why in the uk it's the ST180 - makes for slightly cheaper insurance due to being rated at 180 not 197

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>>14320101

The normal vRS is also quicker around a track.

Not to mention it out performs and handles the 86 (not hard).

>>14320276
can probably get more out of the engine for cheaper too, especially the diesel

>>14320276
>0.02 faster

The Fiesta ST can gain a stable ~50whp/70tq with the stock turbo, I can't speak for the Skoda.

>>14320294
Speaking as someone who owns one. The 2.0 TSi in the vRS is one of the best engines for modifications I've ever had. It can take pretty much any sort of bolt on upgrade with little to no effort. And the aftermarket parts are cheap and easy to come buy.

I've seen blokes run north of 300hp through the Mk2 versions with relative ease, and fairly cheaply.

>>14320311
It probably uses the Golf GTI engine with a slight detune or something.

>>14320326
Are they FWD or RWD? I can't remember, also do you have the estate or the hatch?

>>14320341
The Octavia is literally a cheaper Golf sedan. The vRS uses the GTI drivetrain. They're FWD.

>>14320341
FWD, and I have the Hatch.

The estate does come with an AWD trim, but it's marketed as the Scout, but has the same engine in top spec as the vRS, just slightly detuned.

>>14318416
Can any car really fly over a legit speed bump at 60 mph without damage?

>>14323293
rally car

I'd take a sub 200hp RWD over a 300hp "hothatch" any fucking day of the week.

FWD is perfectly fine for a DD/grocery getter but a "performance FWD" is just a waste of power and is unnecessary.

A hothatch with a proper AWD system (not FWD biased AWD) like the new Focus or a Subaru whatever is approaching the price range of much better cars which negates the purpose of a hothatch.

>>14323333
ill smoke this guy with my civic anyday of the week

>>14323333
>clearly has never driven a FWD with more than 60kw before

I had a bugeye dc2 Integra back in my younger day with a b18cr with a few very minor mods. mostly stock. had no back seats or carpets or anything. coilovers. that thing used to tear shit up. destroyed so many wrx's and even supercharged v6 commodores etc in it. and I mean destroyed. chop 3rd doing 100 and I'd be hitting vtec harder than your fucken mother. hate on hondas all you want but chopping down a couple gears and roaring out that vtec was so much fun. handled like a gocart too

>>14323744
>>14323818

Doesn't matter how fast it is, It's still a FWD. Being pushed along feels better than being pulled along by the front wheels. It's a feeel thing. Plus have fun not drifting, FWD suadi e-brake drifting gets old after a while.

>>14323910
>What is lift-off oversteer

>>14323910
>thinking drifting is the only way of having fun in a car

I know what it feels like to be pushed along from the rear also m8, don't talk to me like I only ever driven that front wheel. clearly the only car you've ever driven is mums

>>14323910
no one cares about drifting unless you're a weebo faggot. FWD will always, always be faster and better, in snow, in rain, any terrain ill smoke your faggot ass

>>14318438
That's me

>>14318550
>>14324242
You know when you reply to the wrong post.
But yeah, I'm from Stoke.

these cars suck

"Hot"hatches are the cuck's flagship vehicle which is fitting since only yuropoors like this kind of car.

>>14323952
with your civic with a few simple mods?

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This is ken blocks RS

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>>14324333

>>14315834
Absolutely, but I prefer shooting brakes.

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>>14324336

>>14315857
I actually do. Gives the car more personality.

That mat grey is fucking hideous.

>>14325311
>mat
It's matte

>>14315857
I love hearing it spool before it shoves me into my seat BRUH

>>14325485
Sorry Matt. My bad.

>>14326158
Stop that you little shit.

>>14325311
It's not even matte though, it has a reflection.

They're nice. I'd get one if I could afford a second car

>>14326371
The colour option is Stealth, there's another grey available. But to be honest I can't see shit in the photo, all I know is that it looks matt gray

>>14326361
Chill Winston.

>>14326635
>it looks matt gray

Are you mentally deficient? One can clearly see a reflection all over it.

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no

I'm thinking that I'll get the focus ST soon.
>fiesta too small
>lol Volkswagen
>No decent MS3s for sale anymore
Should I do it, /o/? Seems like this is the best practical AND fun car I could get for my money.

>>14327922
Yes. Do it today. Right now.

>>14327922
Do it, but the focus feels oddly cramped for a large car, while the fiesta feels roomy for a small car.

>>14328063
Guess I'll just test drive both and see which one feels better.

>>14327922
I just got my focus st and my friend has one. He says he wish he got the fiesta some what. I was actually set on buying the fiesta st also but I got a good deal on my focus.

The main thing I do not like is the fucking turning circle

>Mazdaspeed 3
Loving the speed of the 2.3l DI Turbo Mazda made and the amazing handling/quality of a Mazda 3. Surprisingly, I dont mind the torque steer. I can hold the wheel in one hand no problem.

>Learned manual on my brother's Mazdapseed6

>>14315834
Yeah Ive been thinking about getting an 09ish wrx sti hatch. Seems a nice balnce between fun and practical. You get that near rally-handling and performance without looking like a man-child and still being able to fit plenty of stuff on board.

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>>14329860
Something like that is nice

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>>14323910
>>14323333
>I have never ever driven a powerful FWD car: The Post

>>14330745
I had a 250hp FWD car. You could just mash the pedal through a corner and between traction control and the understeer not even need to know how to drive. Throttle control was not needed at all. It's kinda like training wheels.

>>14330749
>250HP FWD Car
>under steer while flooring it in a corner

yeah sure kid, fuck off.

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>>14330749

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>>14318611
>>14324336
>The only right answers

Does the GLA AMG count as a hot hatch? It's goddam sexy irl