>mid-tier asian engineering combined with german-"""inspired"""

>>14310897
Because they cost as much as a nice, fun, fast car and are ugly, numb, and slow.

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>mister toyoda-san, how do we make filthy American pigs buy more car?
make it more pointy
add all the points

>>14310897
Besides a few exceptions, Toyota have always struggled with styling.
The face on modern Lexii is hideous.
The fact that they perhaps drive only 95% as good as the competition doesn't seem like an issue irl, I doubt many people take their C63 or M3 on track days, and personally I would trade it for the reliability and slightly softer edges.

>>14310907
There will be people in this thread that argue against this.

>>14311006
muh reliability
my dad told me it costs 6 gorillion shekels per year to own a BMW so I'm scared
w-who even needs speed anyway desu

>>14311017
>wanting speed
>buying an 1800kg car

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Lexus as a brand is much better today than it was 10 years ago.

Styling, performance, luxury, technology, safety, reliability... These are all areas where Lexus has gotten better whereas Mercedes and BMW have gotten worse here and there. (BMWs are softer in terms of performance, Mercedes styling is much worse etc.)

When you think about Lexus 10 years ago, they were luxuriously-appointed and reliable cars, but boring to look at and even more boring to drive.

Fast-forward to now Lexus cars are still luxurious and reliable and now they're certainly not boring to look at and drive pretty f-ing well.

I'm not a 70 year old Japanese man.

>>14311032
>BMWs are softer in terms of performance
I wouldn't say that. The M3/4 and M5 btfo of anything Lexus has

>>14311041
he means compared to older versions of the same thing.
>>14311037
guy down the road owns an LS600h, he's a jamaican man in his 70s (probably) with a walking stick

>>14310907
Lexus used to be like this but I drove a third-gen IS350 F-Sport and it's far from that now. The steering and chassis is pretty damn good now; even better than the 335's IMO. It's so good that I actually bought the IS350 over the 335i and S4. Interior, price, reliability, handling, and performance were all right. The only downside that it has over the Germans is straight line speed. I think that everyone in this thread saying Lexus is "boring and numb" really should test drive a modern Lexus. They've done a lot to make their cars better.

>>14311041
Yeah but Lexus hasn't really tried. The RC and GS-F were made to be more of a grand tourer than a sports car, which they're pretty good at.

>>14311041
BMW is less advanced relative to the competition than they used to be in the era of the E30, when they objectively blew everyone else out of the water. The E46 too.
Where BMW has failed is in the sportiness and fun department. More advanced suspensions and electronic power steering make the new ones feel as numb as other modern cars.

>>14311055
Well compared to older version of the IS , the new ones are great (though I don't see any reason to buy one over a Mark X)

The LS past LS430 never really seemed interesting, and I think Lexus is getting into the performance a bit too late. They should have gotten into it back in the 90s and made more of a name for themselves

>jamaican
Jamaicans don't buy anything American, they only buy Japanese or British cars

>>14311070
The light weight, superior weight balance and precision makes up for any "numbness". BMW M3 is still the benchmark even if its not as much about "muh feels" as the older models. Other auto makers have closed in more than in the 90's and early 2000s but BMW is still considered the #1 brand in sports sedans.

>>14310897
>mid-tier asian engineering
>nothing else out of asia comes even close

I think you "mid-tier Japanese engineering" senpai. You got to show you anti-Jap bias more so we get where you're coming from.

>>14311071
They say Mitsubishi really funny

>>14311114
So do americans

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>>14311032

Lexus styling has definitely been the most controversial, but Lexus literally had everything to gain. The old farts will still buy the new Lexus based off of perceived reliability reputation, and with the new styling a whole bunch of young people will also start buying them.

I really like that Lexus is finally embracing their own identity as a Japanese automaker, and no longer making "Mercedes knockoffs" like the infamous inverted bathtub.

>>14310897

I like Cadillac more

Dat ats-v

>>14311138
I really don't understand why people hate the Z40 Soarer so much, there's literally nothing wrong with it

>>14311135
The south isnt real America

>>14311032
>boring to look at and drive pretty f-ing well.

except they are ugly as shit and pigfat on track

>>14311171
>track performance
>being relevant

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>>14311152
Its ugly as shit m8 z30 master race

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>>14311220
They can look alright with some work

>>14311032
>drive pretty f-ing well
THIS SO MUCH. Everyone in this thread that is calling Lexus boring really has to drive one of their newer cars. The IS350 F-sport is better than the 335i and S4 (there's tons of reviews that back that up). The GS-F is phenomenal for a grand tourer.

>>14311279
335i is history. Look at 340i and 440i now mang

>>14311287
Well the current gen IS350 came out in 2014, so it was compared against the 335i. I'm the other anon that own a 2015 IS350 and it's definitely better than the 335i.

I can't compare to the 340i because I haven't driven it yet. I highly doubt that it feels better than my car though. BMW seems to be catering to the Asian people who want a quick, comfortable car from a prestigious brand. Lexus seems to be trying to drop that stigma of being boring so they're actually trying to make sporty cars now, and they're doing a pretty good job at it. Same thing with Cadillac.

japan can´t into car design. sniff°°

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>>14311257
Look me in the eyes and try to convince me that this is not a 90% copy

>>14311068
How is the comfort level anon? I'm going to test drive the IS350 but my commute is on the long side to work every morning. How would you compare it to the every cars you were looking at?

>>14311103
Says the M5 owner with engine noise played back through the stereo as an mp3...

>>14311392
Really? What s joke.
With BMWs prices it should be at least a FLAC

>>14311359
But SLKs are gay hairdressers cars, and the Soarer pulls it off better

>>14311359
I forgot about this car.

Why have we always given it a pass when it was also shaped like an inverted bathtub?

Was it the badge on the grille?

>>14311410
SLK is for young hairdressers, Soarer for hairdressers in their 60s

>>14311366
Comfort is great. The interior is the best in the class (apart from the new C class). The F-Sport seats are miles ahead of the normal seats. Also mine are heated and cooled. The ML sound system is pretty good. The suspension in normal mode is very docile and nice for commuting.

>>14311103
>light weight
M3/M4 are 3500 lbs m8. That ain't light weight.

>superior weight balance
A lot of sport cars have 50:50 or close to it now. This was huge back in the 90s, but not so much anymore.

>>14311392
Oh look, this again.

You know you can turn that off if you want, right? It's helpful due to modern soundproofing on the car.

Go meme about the FRS or something.

>>14311603
It is inexcusably unnecessary, and perfectly exemplifies the point being made in this thread; BMW has gotten soft, figuratively and literally.

The only meme here is BMW.

>>14311603
>You know you can turn that off if you want, right?
Yeah then you can faintly hear the shit sound of a stressed turbo I6 instead.

I only like old Lexuses because they're the perfect balance between cost, comfort, looks and reliability

>>14311634
>I would rather be uncomfortable with exhaust drone and hear road noise than suffer the tyranny of modern soundproofing. I especially would like to be uncomfortable in a car I paid high 5 digits or low 6 digits for.

>>14311828
I just would rather not hear fake engine noise.

If it's a quiet car them let it be quiet. Stop making excuses for this kind of shit.

>>14311594
Light weight compared to the competition. Of course it will be heavier than the new Miata but it is much lighter than it`s Lexus, Mercedes, Audi, Cadillac counterparts. Same with the 50/50 weight balance, only BMW produces so well balanced sedans. Also the 2001 E46 M3 coupe weighs 3415 lbs so they haven`t gotten much more heavier, keep in mind the safety standards have improved since so cars weight is inevitably increasing.
>>14311392
I wish I was an M5 owner lmao
Not exactly MP3, that is an exact sound recording of the engine so the sound is not ''fake'' or anything like that.
And ''sound improving'' tech is being used in most new sporty cars nowadays (Porsches, Mustangs, Golf GTIs etc), and even on American trucks.

>>14311872
I wouldn't say that it's "much lighter than the competition". The C63S is ~3600 lbs. The ATS-V and RC-F are a couple hundred pounds heavier though. The 335i/340i is about 3500 lbs, which is on par with the IS350, ATS, Q50, etc.

At the end of the day though, this is all benchracing. You should actually drive these cars because in many cases, the way they drive and handle is opposite of the numbers.

>>14311867
You know they do the same thing on the i8s (and I think the i3s as well) because under electric cruise the car is "unnervingly quiet"

Look, I get where you're coming from but they give you the choice to turn it off.

Were it forced on us (like if you weren't allowed to turn off DSC or TCS) I'd be pretty pissed. Noise emissions regs are only getting tighter, as are chemical emissions regs. The end goal is to choke out all fun cars to save the earth.

>>14311907
The 2015 C63 S Coupe weighs 1785kg (3935 lbs)
2015 ATS-V 3800lbs
2015 RS4 3950lbs
2015 RC F 4048 lbs
2015 M3 F80 3562 lbs. Quite a difference.
Curb weight for the 2015 335i is 3570lbs and 3717 lbs for the 2016 Lexus IS200t F Sport.

>>14311907
>>14312005
And I wouldn`t say those are only ''stats for bench racers'' because we aren`t talking a 100lbs difference but around 300 and above.
You really feel those extra pounds when throwing your car around

>>14311032
>Styling
Did you look at the grill on that abomination?

IS300
S
3
0
0

CONFirMED GOD TIER LEXUS.
The designer for the ae86 also designed the is300
confirmed god tier.

>In manual trim.
>2jz
>lexus refinement
>great handling
>perfect daily driver car
>dat designer refinement.

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>>14310897
>german inspired design

>>14312005
The IS200t is 3583 lbs. The IS350 RWD is about that too. The AWD is about 150 lbs more. It seems like Lexus USA messed up the info on their site cause the RWD and AWD versions are the same. Lexus Canada had the right information last year.

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>>14310917
Don't forget the marketing by pop sensation will.i.am™!

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>>14311359
Look me in the eyes and try to convince me that this is not a 90% copy

>>14310897
Because they are ugly and inferior to the Germans

I'm even a Japanese car driving, loving person but Lexus just doesn't do it for me. Sure there's exceptions like the LFA and the old Z30 but everything else from them has been complete shit from multiple perspectives.

My GFs dad had an IS-F which I drove and it just felt less refined and much heavier than the German competition and it certainly doesn't look as good either. The fake exhaust tips on that car really push it over the top as a failure at a luxury performance car. The RC-F with two less doors is somehow heavier than the old sedan and is actually worse not to mention the god awful styling Lexus has started.

I know /o/ won't like me referring to Top Gear but Jeremy didn't have a single positive thing to say about the RC-F not a single thing during his review. Even the bad cars he reviews he will note some positive aspects, the RC-F has none. The only positive thing he said is that Lexus can do better.

Can't blame them though they seem to sell well and its not like Toyota has exciting cars anymore for lexus to base their cars off of.

>>14310917
lol you get t-boned then you gotta find an autobody shop licenced to do origami

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lexus is the only good thing toyota has made, what are you talking about OP?

>>14310917
>dat brutalism architecture
top tier, if only that wasn't a shitty crossover

>>14310907
this literally doesn't make any sense

I drive a '13 GS350 awd, and I love it. On Sport+ mode it handles reasonably well , it's comfy as fuck and there's more than enough power for the kinds of driving I do. The styling... is ok.

>>14312005
the weight wouldn't matter that much if the 2UR-GSE wasn't a fucking POS.

>>14312912
How is the Avalon the worst model? They last long as fuck

>>14313917
So has my parents 04 Avalon. Literally no problems at all outside of maintenance.

Just goes to show how far ahead Toyota is.